The war in the middle-east should end RIGHT NOW, unless...

both sides want to win AT ANY PRICE, wich means killing both themselves, and the local civilian population! There is now "victory" in the middle-east anymore! Only DEATH, wich most likely will spread to Europe and America through immigration as the fighting escalates!


The dead...

Death in Afghanistan

Death in Iraq


And the ultimate price of victory!

The price of victory in Iraq

The price of victory in Afghanistan


Maybe it's time for the US and Iran to take a little break. Some wars are just not worth winning!

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Immediately after 9/11 al Qaeda was on the way out. What support they had was crumbling. Many thought they had gone too far. The US invasion of Iraq was a godsend. (allahsend?) It was a recruiter's dream come true. George Bush and the boys elevated Osama bin Laden from minor folk hero to demi-god. Al Qaeda went from a shrinking gang of zealots to a world-wide revolutionary movement drawing in new recruits from every level of Moslem society, and financial support, overt or covert, from every Moslem nation.
Osama thanks you, George. Was this a mistake? Or did the Cheney/Rumsfeld cabol have this in mind all along?

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While the corporate media has done an atrocious job of covering the Iraqi war, this piece is also a jumble of suppositions which doesn't reveal much of interest.

The Washington Post did a far better job of covering the situation in Iraq today:

Suicide Bombings Kill Nearly 150 in Iraq, U.S. Reports Deaths of 8 American Soldier

By Sudarsan Raghavan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, July 7, 2007; 11:54 AM

BAGHDAD, July 7 -- Suicide bombings across Iraq killed nearly 150 and injured scores, including a massive truck assault in a northern Shiite village that ripped through a crowded market, officials said Saturday.

The violence came as the U.S. military on Saturday reported the deaths of eight American soldiers over the past two days, all killed in combat or by roadside bombs in Baghdad and the western province of Anbar. A British soldier was reported killed in fighting in southern Iraq.

The worst carnage unfolded in the Shiite Turkoman village of Amarly, 50 miles south of Kirkuk, when a suicide bomber rammed a truck laden with explosives into the central market, which is near a police station, officials said. The attack killed at least 115 people and wounded at least 210, according to district and hospital officials, adding that they expected the death toll to rise.

How does this compare to the "shocking tale of the alleged British car bombers"? Alleged being the key word here, as no charges have been filed. Given the British and US habit of generating false intelligence for propaganda purposes, who knows who planted these non-lethal amateur bombs? Perfect for scaring the population without causing any real harm, weren't they?

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See Chemical Weapon Terrorist Plot Thwarted in the UK

"Robert Cottage, 49, a member of the British National Party, is standing trial in Manchester for amassing material for chemical bombs – and instructions for making them — in his home. The prosecution said Cottage was acting on the instructions of a fellow BNP cadre, David Jackson, a respectable 62-year-old dentist from Lancashire…The two allegedly planned the chemical bomb attacks as part of a “war between the Asian culture and the White culture,” Mrs. Cottage testified. In the UK, “Asian” is used to denote those of Pakistani origin – overwhelmingly Muslim – and by extension most other Muslims of less-than-alabaster hue.
The deadly terror plot that you haven’t heard of, courtesy of the BNP – our very own Nazi party-in-waiting."

P.S. This was from the Guerilla News Network, which allows readers to make editorial decisions through a voting system - and they tend to have slightly better articles than Alternet (which isn't so bad, to be sure)

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George W. Bush has ruined everything he has ever been in charge of. If this is his objective, Iraq is his greatest achievement to date. Fortunately, US Presidents are limited to 2 terms now. His opportunity to totally ruin the United States will soon end with his work only partially completed. It will take many years to recover from the 8 years of George W. Bush, if we ever can. The U.S. and the future of the entire world have been dealt a powerful blow. Bush's achievements are not to be underestimated.

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“It is the political not the technical influence of the Iraq war that we are now seeing”

Not true… the sad aspect of these bombing in England is that there are extreme Islamics that are influencing the much more numerous moderate/normal if you will Muslims.

It has little to do with Iraq. If it weren’t the Iraqi war then it would be some other extremist rallying point. What set off the 9-11 atacks.. or the USS Cole bombing or the numerous other Embassy/Hotel terror bombings – all of which led up to the latest incursions into the mid east.

Extreme Islamics are a hate fill group who’s ONLY purpose is world domination through terror. Ignoring it, hoping it will go away will never work. War in Iraq will never work. Political efforts with Arab countries is really what will ultimately contain the spread of radical islam.

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It has little to do with Iraq.

That's Conservasaurus' opinion. It's nonsense -- backed by nothing but Fox Newscasters' opinions.

The opposite view is backed up by every serious study done on what motivates people to commit terror attacks. That is, the University of Chicago's Robert Pape -- who studied every suicide attack committed in the world between 1980-2004 -- studies conducted by the Israeli and Saudi governments; by Chatham House and the International Institute for Strategic Studies (the UK's two leading defense think-tanks) and the opinions of 87 of the top 100 foreign policy experts in the U.S.

If it weren’t the Iraqi war then it would be some other extremist rallying point. What set off the 9-11 atacks.. or the USS Cole bombing or the numerous other Embassy/Hotel terror bombings – all of which led up to the latest incursions into the mid east.

Right-wing history begins on 9/11. Among the reality-based, things happened before that day.

The U.S. and its allies have had troops in these countries for decades, have propped up some cruel and barbaric governments that we liked and staged coups to take down some of the most popular and progressive governments that we didn't. We have provided $140 billion dollars to Israel and vetoed countless security council esolutions regarding the occupied territories. These are concrete grievances -- nobody is seriously trying to impose anything on us except the idea that we don't command the planet.

It would be nice if the other side were honest enough to acknowledge this reality, and then we could have an open and forthright debate about whether the policies are worth the wholly predictable and inevitable "blow-back" they engender. Make the argument that they are if you believe it, because denial and historical revisionism do not provide a good basis for policy-making.

Extreme Islamics are a hate fill group who’s ONLY purpose is world domination through terror.

Their only purpose is to get us to withdrawal from their countries. We're the ones who are into the global domination thing. That's why there are 737 U.S. military bases around the world. I don't see any Arab armies occupying my local 7/11.

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Wars in last 150 years

1860-65: American civil war (360,000)
1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (3 million)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1904: Germany Vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan Vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915: the Ottoman empire slaughters Armenians (1.2 million)
1914-18: World War I (8 million)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)
1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1948-: Kashmir's civil war (40,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims Vs Hindus (20,000)
1950-53: Korean war (4 million)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (1 million)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (30 million)
1960-90: South Africa Vs Africa National Congress (?)
1961-2003: Kurds Vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo Vs Portugal (?)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (200,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million)
1966-: Colombia's civil war (31,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Northern Ireland's civil war (2,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-: Philippines Vs Muslim separatists (120,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-90: civil war in Lebanon (40,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (1 million)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1980-92: El Salvador's civil war (100,000)
1980-99: Kurds Vs Turkey (35,000)
1982-90: Hussein Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2002: Sri Lanka's civil war (64,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda Vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavia's civil war (200,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)

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