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Iraq by the Numbers

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted June 28, 2007.


Americans are waiting for General David Petraeus to report to Congress in September on the "progress" of the President's surge strategy. But there's no reason to wait for September. Here's a look at some telltale numbers that show the horror in Iraq.
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Sometimes, numbers can strip human beings of just about everything that makes us what we are. Numbers can silence pain, erase love, obliterate emotion, and blur individuality. But sometimes numbers can also tell a necessary story in ways nothing else can.

This January, President Bush announced his "surge" plan for Iraq, which he called his "new way forward." It was, when you think about it, all about numbers. Since then, 28,500 new American troops have surged into that country, mostly in and around Baghdad; and, according to the Washington Post, there has also been a hidden surge of private armed contractors -- hired guns, if you will -- who free up troops by taking over many mundane military positions from guarding convoys to guarding envoys. In the meantime, other telltale numbers in Iraq have surged as well.

Now, Americans are theoretically waiting for the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus, to "report" to Congress in September on the "progress" of the President's surge strategy. But there really is no reason to wait for September. An interim report -- "Iraq by the numbers" -- can be prepared now (as it could have been prepared last month, or last year). The trajectory of horror in Iraq has long been clear; the fact that the U.S. military is a motor driving the Iraqi cataclysm has been no less clear for years now. So here is my own early version of the "September Report."

A caveat about numbers: In the bloody chaos that is Iraq, as tens of thousands die or are wounded, as millions uproot themselves or are uprooted, and as the influence of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's national government remains largely confined to the four-square mile fortified Green Zone in the Iraqi capital, numbers, even as they pour out of that hemorrhaging land, are eternally up for grabs. There is no way most of them can be accurate. They are, at best, a set of approximate notations in a nightmare that is beyond measurement.

Here, nonetheless, is an attempt to tell a little of the Iraqi story by those numbers:

Iraq is now widely considered # 1 -- when it comes to being the ideal jihadist training ground on the planet. "If Afghanistan was a Pandora's box which when opened created problems in many countries, Iraq is a much bigger box, and what's inside much more dangerous," comments Mohammed al-Masri, a researcher at Amman's Centre for Strategic Studies. CIA analysts predicted just this in a May 2005 report leaked to the press. ("A new classified assessment by the Central Intelligence Agency says Iraq may prove to be an even more effective training ground for Islamic extremists than Afghanistan was in Al Qaeda's early days, because it is serving as a real-world laboratory for urban combat.")

Iraq is # 2: It now ranks as the world's second most unstable country, ahead of war-ravaged or poverty-stricken nations like Somalia, Zimbabwe, the Congo, and North Korea, according to the 2007 Failed States Index, issued recently by the Fund for Peace and Foreign Policy magazine. (Afghanistan, the site of our other little war, ranked 8th.) Last year and the year before Iraq held 4th place on the list. Next year, it could surge to number #1.

Number of American troops in Iraq, June 2007: Approximately 156,000.

Number of American troops in Iraq, May 1, 2003, the day President Bush declared "major combat operations" in that country "ended": Approximately 130,000.


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Tom Engelhardt, who runs the Nation Institute's Tomdispatch.com ("a regular antidote to the mainstream media"), is the co-founder of the American Empire Project and, most recently, the author of Mission Unaccomplished: Tomdispatch Interviews with American Iconoclasts and Dissenters (Nation Books), the first collection of Tomdispatch interviews.

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But why quit now?
Posted by: Temporary on Jun 28, 2007 12:13 AM   
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When the FUN is just starting:)!?

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You used to be the good guys..kinda
Posted by: may261989 on Jun 28, 2007 3:26 AM   
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The world is witnessing America embroiled in the worst foreign policy disaster in its history. And it's live on CNN!! - well at least some is , nestled in between Paris Hilton showing us how to roll a joint while driving and Britney Spears showing us how to smash up a car up while not driving.
Oh say can you see.....phwrrrr...

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A glimmer of light at the tunnel’s end.
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 28, 2007 4:01 AM   
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General Petraeus' prediction that the U.S. will need 9 - 10 years to end the Iraq civil war gave me renewed hope that a withdrawal will soon begin.

Two reasons. First, that’s not the kind of forecast President Bush wanted to hear. I have no doubt he gnashed his teeth severly upon hearing about the general’s remarks.

Second, because Petraeus is not stupid, I suspect he already has a withdrawal plan in mind.

This morning on MSNBC, retired General Barry McCaffrey, a rightwing hawk and PNAC signatory, said it would take at least 18 months to achieve any measurable degree of success against the Sunni insurgency. I expect Petraeus to make the same gloomy estimate in September.

Of course, continuing the surge through 2008 would be totally unacceptable by the American people. McCaffrey knows that and so does Petraeus.

September 2007, I predict, will mark the end of Bush’s unjustified war of choice. After a bloody period of intense fighting this summer, also forecast by McCaffrey, more Republican senators will join with the Democrats and force a withdrawal of our troops from Iraq -- thank God.

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Mind numbing fascist imperial criminality. Yet U.S. thugs & sycophants want nuclear war with Iran!
Posted by: Perfectclue on Jun 28, 2007 4:32 AM   
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The class rot, imperial, fascist policies, supported by both democrats and republican elites, is now threatening gangrene on the whole of our body politic. This failed political class includes all three branches, equally corrupted: from its judicial nazis, legislative thugs and war criminals, and executive Nazis. They continue down this road of imperialism, class appeasement and support for this fascism, class nationalism, including its Zionist thuggish warmongering cheerleaders.

The fact that all three branches are equally criminal and complicit in this class totalitarianism. is proof that class rot, class tyranny is the missing piece which the American revolution did not take into account. Class corruption of democracy was established by commercial-industrial elites who promoted property rights over human rights, hence slavery, unpaid labor, and imperial conquest of the new world. It was never a real democracy, and over time would degenerate into this corporate fascism, just as the ancient Greeks described this degenerative class process: from Class Republics, to pluotcracy, oligarchy, tyrants and Empire. We have learned nothing from them.

We have so many elites pretending democracy, playing this charade, withh phony presidential debates, phony issues, phony democracy, phony alternatives, and phony candidates, that they are not even aware that right under their noses, there is a wholesale rejection of their class system and corrupt democracy, where both parties are held up for contempt. Yet still the corporate media and their clowns carry on this show, of these criminal elites who should be impeached for their support of an illegal imperial war, and financing of this illegal occupation. They should not be rewarded forr political office, but in prison for their fascism. Some of them, especially the thugs who voted for dictatorship and fascism, repealing the legal process and rights for detainees held without charges, both democrats and republicans should be marched off to the Hague and tried for war crimes and the fascist foreign policies, nuclear threats they participate in.

The liberal class rot says that the Iraq imperial adventure is wrong, yet continute to finance it, but that its Afghanistan imperial strategies are ok. This ideological rot is now crumbling. Most of the Europeans are beginning to realize that you don't fight a war against terrorism, because that leads to wholesale resistance to foreign occupation, especially against the slaughter by Amerikan air rads that murder innocent cvilians from the sky. Everyone now is Al quaeda, Taliban, because these fascist foreign policies were always about Empire, and not about fighting terrorism. The state terrorism of Amerikan foreign polices now includes the nuclear threats and illegal aggression against Iran. It is supported by the class thugs in the democratic party, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Edwards and many others, especially the Zionist cheerleading, warmongering crowd, which calls itself liberal.

This class Empire will be smashed or imploded from within, because the class rot and gangrene has made its political class and elites irrelevant. The world is only awaiting the final outcome, the collapse of this corpse, failed democracy, and rotten oligarchy, either through a war of attrition against Amerikan/Israeli imperial policies, or the complete defeat by the world, as it did in Nazi Germany, of this corporate fascism, imperial juggernaut, mislabled Democracy.

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» RE: Mind numbing NeoThuggery Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
» "..defeat by the world' ? Posted by: etisoppa
re Surging against the in-Surge-nts
Posted by: the islander on Jun 28, 2007 4:37 AM   
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From the beginning of history nomads have invaded organized sedentary agricultural populations in search of new pasture land for their flocks or herds. Surely, at least, their leaders would have been with them not sitting on their couches like the perpetrators of this bloody invasion of Iraq.
It makes my stomach crawl to see that our intelligence hasn't evolved any further than that.

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The Oil Companies?
Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 28, 2007 4:45 AM   
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One thing for certain is companies like Kellogg Brown and Root are making record profits. Y’all claim that our ongoing involvement in Iraq is because the oil companies have bought the politicians. I’d say it is not so much the oil companies, but more likely the MIC.

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» RE: The Oil Companies? Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
IRAQ WAR????
Posted by: andy on Jun 28, 2007 6:13 AM   
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oh yeah the war in Iraq, i forgot about that. Sounds kinda nasty. Our media protects us by feeding us shit and keepin us in the dark. For all us Aussies know where livin in a farkin utopia.

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EVERYDAY APOCOLYPSE IN IRAQ
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 28, 2007 7:18 AM   
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Still hasn't gotten the attention of enough Americans. The Iraq War never had a direct impact on the majority and no one was asked to participate in any meaningful way. The news and other media steered clear of keeping us informed which by the way is their job. The White House was run like a speakeasy. Anyone wanting to know what was going on in Iraq was on their own. Now that it's out of control people are getting nervous. It's a little late. Thanks, ANNA

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Toyota=+/-$20,000; Iraqi Child=$2,500
Posted by: channing on Jun 28, 2007 7:35 AM   
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"[T]he full market value may be paid for a Toyota run over by a tank in the course of a non-combat related accident, but only $2,500 may be paid for the death of a child shot in the crossfire."

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what 21st Century American Fascism looks like.

We must now change the word, "Bless" in the song, "God Bless America" to "Damn".

The New American Revolution Begins at Home!!!

1. Impeach the NeoCons
2. Abandon Every Congressman still Married to Any Corporate Interest.
3. Demand Complete Transparency AND Accountability of Every Public Servant.
4. Admit War-Crimes and Pay Reparations.
5. Refuse to Reward ALL Fascism-Enabling Corporations, Institutions, Individuals, Churches, Universities and Charities.
6. Go Green AND Local Organic Before it's too late.
7. Help Save your own Community.
8. Refuse to Buy New Combustion Automobiles.
9. Get used to Living on Less.
10. Make Billionaires Pay the Highest Overall Taxes, scaled down form there, and Include ALL Taxes in the Equation.

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GENOCIDE?
Posted by: grn1 on Jun 28, 2007 7:55 AM   
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"Genocide" has been beaten into the ground and doesn't apply. Especially while Americans are being asked to address the crisis in Darfur, through current pleas in the media. You see you can't address a humanitarian crisis while in the midst of one you have created yourself. Iraq has been deliberately and systematically destroyed for political goals and its resources, the supposed reward. There is no copyright on genocide and in this case pick it up, brush it off and own this disaster so some sort of order can be restored.

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U.S. Marines to Train at New Combat Center in Israel
Posted by: freethink7 on Jun 28, 2007 8:13 AM   
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(Subsidized by U.S. taxpayers) Training will cover the following: Interrogation techniques, target shooting young children (has psychological impact equivalent to 10 grown men), Marines will learn counter intelligence (Posing as Arabs has allowed the Israeli Jews exceptional INTEL opportunities), the art of using humans as defensive shields, judicial executions, crowd control, propaganda techniques, and rape as a means of demoralizing Arabs.

And why are our troops training in Israel? This is so unethical, despicable, evil and nefarious that it’s beyond words.

I feel sick.

USTroopsIsrael

JudicialInc

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» Nothing new Posted by: ateo
» RE: Nothing new - Yo ateo Posted by: freethink7
» RE: Nothing new - Yo ateo Posted by: rinthy
The Bush-Petraeus model for Iraq is Vietnam, not Korea.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 28, 2007 9:01 AM   
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Let's see - as the Vietnam war became more and more unpopular with the US public, more bombing missions began to be carried out. The same thing appears to be happening in Iraq.

In 1965, Johnson began his first 'surge' in Vietnam, sending in 44 brigades and increasing the US troop presence to 125,000. This is the 'mission accomplished' point in Iraq, celebrated by Bush with a photoop landing on an aircraft carrier. The main difference? Johnson began drafting 35,000 people a month into the military.

By the end of 1966, U.S. troop levels in VIetnam reach 389,000 with 5008 combat deaths and 30,093 wounded. This is fairly similar to the current situation, but there are fewer US troops in Iraq at this point.

This seems to be a decent comparison to the current state in Iraq, and if Bush&Petraeus are following the Vietnam model, than "9-10 more years" doesn't seem like a big surprise. The last US troops to leave Vietnam did so in 1975.

If this continues, expect far more deaths of both US soldiers and Iraqi civilians. It's also worth noting that the major counterinsurgency program in Vietnam, Operation Phoenix, began in 1968 and before that various military groups were already doing 'psychological operations' in Iraq aimed at 'winning hearts and minds'.

Again, the installation of a psyops general (the one who wrote the counterinsurgency manual for the Army) at this point in Iraq is quite similar to the failed Vietnam counterinsurgency strategy. Before his current job, Petraeus was responsible for training the Iraqi defense forces in 2004. The whole program of militias and police death squads can probably be traced back to the likes of Petraeus, Rumsfeld, Negroponte, Gates, etc.

The current goal is still the same as it ever was: pacify the Iraqi population, install a brutal puppet dictatorship, and maintain absolute control of Iraqi oil production. This is why Petraeus is calling for 'ten more years', and also why permanent military bases have been constructed across Iraq. There is no 'civil war' - just a foreign military occupation.

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"Waging" Peace...
Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jun 28, 2007 9:24 AM   
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America's foreign policy of aggression, force and war does not work. It doesn't bring the peace, the democracy, the freedom that the politicians promise us.

Every single intervention results in failure or a brand new despotic regime. I see this as no different.

You don't bring peace to people by waging war on their cities and towns.

Period.

Some reading:

"Can America Bring Peace to the World?" - click here

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Our troubles began
Posted by: willymack on Jun 28, 2007 12:55 PM   
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When we allowed a gang of neothugs, nominally headed by a demented ignoramus to fraudulently take over the White House. All their plans have come to their horrifying fruition, with worse to come, and we'll just stand there while we're screwed over, time and again. Some idiots will even VOTE for this criminal gang in '08 (it hardly matters who represents them, does it?). Some people say we'll get what we deserve. Does anyone in his right mind really think that?

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the Bush legacy has been written....
Posted by: eosrk on Jun 28, 2007 1:34 PM   
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...as one big FUCKUP!!!!!

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Silence on TI's = Iraq War + No Coup of Saddam
Posted by: etisoppa on Jun 28, 2007 1:50 PM   
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Silence on TI's = Iraq War. + No Coup of Saddam

THE IRAQ WAR, did not have to occur if the population had all spoken up on neurological technologies being used by the US Gov. For reasons know only to their consciences, most Americans refuse to speak up on the topic of neurological mind assault weapons /technologies.. They sold their right to do so. Hence the Iraq war occurred. Let me prove this to you.


How so the Iraq War? These neurological technologies operated by the ” Captured” Gov. can scan and read minds. Using people who can understand the Iraqi languages, it would be simple to scan, or “trick” those Iraqi who should have known , to reveal usable details of their WMD program. Then inspectors were pulled. That told me something was up. Then the US did not find any WMDS after all.


It was then that I KNEW that they (US Admin) KNEW all along that there were no WMDS. Hence “Pull the Inspectors !” now make sense. Why leave them there to not find and report what you know to not be there. That would cramp your invasion plans.


And all those Senators with the proper clearance who are now claiming this and that. It would have been simple to have asked “ And what to the neurological scans reveal?’ Or , “Do you have a neurological scan program in operation over Iraq ?” Maybe they choose not to know or find out.


Hence, there you have it, another price paid for not speaking-up on this neurological mind assault technology and program. And the tally keeps mounting. The foundation roots of Western individual rights civilization is under assault from within , if we continue to refuse to speak-up!


Please act on this recommendation. Speak up. There are thousands (tens?) of innocents being victimized as you read by this technology and its usage by the GOV. ( TI's .. Targeted Individuals). What other price does it take before you ALL to speak-up!


Further the neurological mind assault technologies and weapons could have been used to communicate with key generals in the Iraqi Army, undetectable to Saddam and his spies, and thus synchronizing a coup that could have disposed him.


True, had we been talking about this at the time, it would have been less likely to have been effective. But that it did not happen, further reinforces that the government is misusing and abusing the technology and the time for silence is over. How many thousands (Tens?) of TI's (Targeted Individuals)? Further abuse and misuse.


We need to energyze the antiwar, bring them back home; enough is enough movement with these insights so that in one sweep, all this crap and the victimization of TI's ends.



Want to see how effective is the "controlled media".......see

http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=909


"Poll: Even More Americans Blame Saddam for 9/11 "


The Conspiring Cohorts must feel , the world is theirs on a platter now..... with a populace so malleable to their "tools', everything else is will just be gnats.


What will provoke a "new 1776" that will retrn us to the purity of understanding and principles of 1776? When the Conspiring Conspirators show the plunder, avarice and consumption of " Sun Kings" ala LOUIS XIV ? They may even be too smart and too slick for that. It maybe hopeless


Truly, the 1000 year Reich dream fantasy of every megalomaniac may just have materialized....... What would life be for the Jeffersonians in a megalomaniac’s paradise? .... Folks, things are not looking good, for the lovers of Human Freedom and indivudual human dignity.

WE NEED AN ALTERNET YAHOO GROUP etc., SO WE CAN START ORGANIZING OUR RETURN TO THE CONSTITUTION AND INTERNATIONAL LAW. SOMEONE PLEASE START ONE.

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wait til sept... for the IRAN war to get started
Posted by: ibemee on Jun 28, 2007 1:52 PM   
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After all, it's "endless war" and "world domination" America is after - now that OUR Constitution has been dismantled and the "presidency" has become a DICTATORSHIP.

How MANY instances does it take for comatose Voters to see that? Even while we help Israel conduct GENOCIDE in the middle east, while we have Cheney and Bush declaring themselves off limits to any accountability and immune from any Law??

what the hell's the MATTER with people????

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Iraq, Iraq, Iraq... but Afghanistan, too...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 28, 2007 2:29 PM   
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... you know, if NATO hadn't been LIED & manipulated into Afghanistan... how would the Iraq Occupation be going? well, US forces would be diffused at a ratio relatively identical to the blame for the CorporateOccupation of two nations.

If Canadians withdrew from Afghanistan, we could truly make a difference in this conflict. The international perception of the ill-fated & illicit conflict would change.

There is no reason for NATO to be there, much less under US control. Did you know Canadian & UK forces were identified as up to 6x more likely to die or be mutilated than US forces serving in Iraq?

ARE YOU non-Canadian? you have incredible power

All Canadians have to do, is CONTACT THEIR MP & define to Harper the Will of the People.

Contact your local Canadian Consulate.
Contact the Canadian Governor General
Contact Parliament.

TOGETHER, we can make a difference. By making our Beliefs & Demands known.

========
Unselfishness not just a human trait: researchers
Guantánamo moving to Afghanistan: should Canada be a part of this?
U.S. & China fall from global favour: Pew survey ask yourself why? because they're seen as uncaring of the Global Human Rights Movement.


we can make a difference.

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... but wear the Glove!


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Light at the end of tunnel? No. Because…..
Posted by: etisoppa on Jun 28, 2007 2:31 PM   
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Thanks to you folks we are witnessing, before your very eyes, every megalomaniacs ambition and fantasy; the 1000 year Reich. This time, the megalomaniacs just happened to be Neocons and their Conspiring Cohorts.

And you folks have at least a 60% hand to blame. Have you ever spoken out on neurological mind assault technology they use against innocent Americans and others, much less taken to the streets on this issue? NO!

Bush leaves with Iran spewing out radioactive fall-out. Your Neocons appear "sunk' since you have "Democrats" in to deal with an inflamed Islam out there. And if there is not enough action coming this way, the Neocons with CIA, MI5 etc ties to these extremist can just phone in an order... did I say phone? Correction. They can NT (Neurological Technology) directly to the source or their controllers. Then when the proverbial S starts to hit the fan “Who you gonna call? Ghost Busters?” NO Neocons! To run a good Fascist fight against terrorists”.

Or some new threat to Israel will “arrive” and the scene …. And who is in the drives seat ad infinitum?

Did you know that not speaking out on NT and targeted individuals gave you the Iraq War and no coup of Saddam? See http://etisoppa.blogspot.com/

Lets get some heavy traffic from the ant-Fascist section, and the only you are going to ultimately avert all this is by taking to the streets. The situation has gotten worst and slicker since the Viet Nam era. And that is what it took then, and will take now. 60% of this is your fault. You did not address the heart of the matter, NTs, and you spoke, typed and sat on your hands.



We must move beyond posting and to start to move as a community of like-minded people who share the same the notions of civilized values that we "readers' here tend to have.

The "other's" notions of civilized is a contradiction of terms, ( which is obvious to us but apparently not to them), and they are well financed, well organized and well slicked


WE NEED AN ALTERNET YAHOO GROUP etc., SO WE CAN START ORGANIZING OUR RETURN TO THE CONSTITUTION AND INTERNATIONAL LAW. SOMEONE PLEASE START ONE.
See http://360.yahoo.com/etisoppa

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THE MOVEMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN STARTED...
Posted by: ibemee on Jun 28, 2007 3:24 PM   
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iT IS SOOOO GOOD to see the ACLU doing what it was INTENDED TO DO !! It HAS started a really important action to RESTORE Habeas Corpus, our Constitutional Rule of Law... please, everyone, JOIN IN HERE!!

You are saying: quote"" WE NEED AN ALTERNET YAHOO GROUP etc., SO WE CAN START ORGANIZING OUR RETURN TO THE CONSTITUTION AND INTERNATIONAL LAW. SOMEONE PLEASE START ONE. ""

and quote""We must move beyond posting and start to move as a community of like-minded people who share the same the notions of civilized values that we "readers' here tend to have.""

This just in from ACLU --- if you haven't signed the petition to restore Habeas Corpus YOU NEED TO !!
quote:
""On Tuesday, the ACLU hosted our first-ever Day of Action to Restore Law and Justice. It was an incredible success. We delivered more than 250,000 petitions to Restore Our Rights with our partners—more than 85 of them—representing millions of people. More than 4,000 people, representing nearly every state in the nation, rallied and then barn-stormed Capitol Hill to meet with their Members of Congress, demanding that we restore the Constitution. And thousands of activists took action at home. In less than 24 hours, five of our lawmakers signed on as co-sponsors of critical habeas restoration bills.
Let’s build on this momentum by pressuring Congress to fully restore our Constitution. Join the ACLU today to get the job done.""

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/detention/commissions.html

Habeas corpus isn't a fancy legal term. It's the freedom from being thrown in prison illegally, with no help and no end in sight. No president should ever be given the power to call someone an enemy, wave his hand, and lock them away indefinitely. The Founders made the president subject to the rule of law. They rejected dungeons and chose due process.

We all know the difference between fairness and persecution. If we do not act immediately to fix the Military Commissions Act and restore our constitutional rights, basic protections like habeas corpus could be lost forever, and our country would become unrecognizable.


...and if you don't think it can happen here.... have you seen the "Family Jewels" yet? THAT couldn't happen here... oops, it already has... and is going to get WAAAY WORSE if WE don't stop the fascists N-O-W !!


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An “I TOLD YOU SO” follow-up to my original comment, “A glimmer of light at the tunnel’s end.”
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 28, 2007 5:31 PM   
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Today, June 28, the Los Angeles Times ran a front page article headlined, “Iraq strategy geared to U.S. pullout.”

The first paragraph says it all:

BAGHDAD — U.S. commanders plan a summer of stepped-up offensives against Al Qaeda in Iraq as they tailor strategy to their expectation that Congress soon will impose a timeline for drawing down U.S. forces here.

End of paragraph.

Que the band for playing “When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again!” and there ain’t nothing Bush can do to stop it. Come September, like his teasonous amnesty bill, the Iraq War will be out of Lame Duck Dub-ya's hands.

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Look,
Posted by: paschn on Jun 28, 2007 6:28 PM   
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You know, (or should know), Bush et al should be REMOVED from office and prosecuted for war crimes, stripped of his wealth and dealt with as a tribunal sees fit. You KNOW this! But, (because unlike the Venezuelans who stormed their palace in the 100's of thousands and stopped Bush's attempt to murder yet ANOTHER elected official unwilling to "play ball" with our knee walking Leaders), you lack the clear thinking and justifiable rage to actually DO anything about it. And as for the Republicrates you voted in last November, They've shown where THEIR loyalty lies.

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Behold!
Posted by: Temporary on Jun 28, 2007 6:43 PM   
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Americas "shock and awe" Iraq strategy

The great plan revealed!

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THE MOVEMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN STARTED? NO IT HAS NOT!!..
Posted by: etisoppa on Jun 28, 2007 7:01 PM   
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No again. What is spoken of is NOT the real movement.

Until the "classified" program involving the violation of rights using neurological mind assault technology is addressed, and the violation of 1st Amendment Rights including the separation of Church and State is addressed, then the Constitution remains in tatters. Trampled upon by Bush 41 Clinton and Bush 43, and their co-conspiring Senates and Congresses.

Many have tried to get the UCLA to do its job.... and we have now come to understand why it has so refused.

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The question is: What word best describes the situation these Iraqi numbers hint at?
Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah on Jun 28, 2007 8:43 PM   
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This conflict is a battle for regional hegemony between four antagonists with different strategic goals:

(1) United States - goal is to establish a stable pro-Western Iraq.

(2) iran - goal is to secure their western flank and establish an expansionist Shia caliphate stretching from Afghanistan to the Mediterrean.

(3) al qaeda - short term goal is to foment anarchy and utilize Iraq as a staging ground to de-stablize the region in order to accomplish the long term goal of an islamic caliphate from the South China Sea to Central Africa

(4) Iraqi people - goal is stablity and autonomy.


What the author fails to note (no doubt intentionally) is that this conflict is regional. It is not a civil war. There will be no solution until iran and al qaeda sunni supporters in neighboring Arabic nations are held accountable and forced to change policies that are killing innocent civilians and US troops in IRaq.

How can this be achieved?

First, attempt aggressive diplomacy to check weapons, money, and foriegn insurgents from going into Iraq from neighboring antagonists.

If this doesnt work, then...

Second, open a second front using proxy forces in nations that are fomenting violence in IRaq. In this case the best defense is a strong offense.

Third, Iraq doesnt have the capablility to convert from a long standing autocratic nation into a democracy "overnight". In order for democratic institutions to take root a nation must have a long history (perhaps 10-20 years) of a fair and impartial judiciary, independent and activist local, regional, and national legislatures, free markets and strong private property rights, and a thriving pluralistic society. Iraq has none of these, consequently only a slow, steady, transistion from a benevolent pro-Western autocratic government will enable this transisition to occur.

Even then, similiar to the former Yugoslavia, the sectarian animosities may make reconciliation difficult at best.

At this point, we should acknowledge that a dangerous and provocative despot has been removed from power. And that the USA has not experienced a grand terror attack since 9/11. Most importantly, self-serving partisan attacks contribute nothing to furthering US security and in fact give vital aid and comfort to a brutal enemy hell bent on killing innocent civilians.

It should be noted that if Ayman al Zawahiri (Harry Ried's al qaeda counterpart) stated the the war against the USA was lost today then victory would be ours tomorrow. Democrats are providing the enemy the only "weapon" with which it can achieve victory -- the will to continue the fight.

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An American Nightmare
Posted by: sofla100 on Jun 28, 2007 9:26 PM   
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The USA needs to leave Iraq now, and then the people in the region will gradually establish the type of government and regional alliances they see as appropriate. The current situation is best described as follows:

1. By invading Iraq, the USA started a "holy war" against Islam. With the election of the pro USA Maliki government, the USA then took sides in what has now turned into an all out civil war.

2. With the USA invasion, Arab populations in the Middle East have become "radicalized." This has fermented wide ranging anti-USA sentiment and fueled Al-Queda.

3. American policies coming into Iraq, with the Provisional Authority, focused almost exclusively on attempting to privatize Iraq's infrastructure. This included trying to force the Iraqi's to accept USA demands for American corporations to extract Iraqi oil at "bargain basement" prices. This attempt alienated many Iraqi's.

4. The war has become increasingly barbaric with American forces perceived as possibly complicit with a government that engages in murders, disappearances, torture of prisoners, etc. In at least some cases, it is feared American CIA specialists and American Mercs have allied with Mossad agents in the forced interrogation and torture of prisoners. Mossad being utilized based on their extensive experience with brutal techniques in the Palestinian territories.

5. The USA has yet to open a serious dialogue with Iran, Syria, and even Saudi Arabia, pertaining to Iraq's future. "All the decisions," are being made by the USA, or so it seems to the Iraqi people.

Despite the above, and amazingly, the USA still insists it can come up with a better solution then what the people of Iraq want themselves. But one things is for sure, what the people of Iraq do not want is policies and a form of government made for them by Washington, Tel Aviv, and/or in the boardrooms of American multi-national corporations. It would seem the Iraqi's still have a long struggle ahead for themselves.

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Meet Gen. David Petraeus
Posted by: BBaumer on Jun 29, 2007 1:22 PM   
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Here's a good article from The Indypendent's latest edition on Gen. Petraeus.

Meet Gen. David Petraeus: His Militia Strategy Plunged Iraq Into a Civil War, And Now He’s Back for More

By A.K.Gupta
http://www.indypendent.org/?p=1181

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get real
Posted by: unity1 on Jun 29, 2007 2:25 PM   
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way back in 2003 the entire world had a collective intuitive response to the US UK call to war - all over the world millions of people got out in the street and marched - we all knew intuitively that this war was wrong and everything that has happened from then untill yesterday has proven our collective gut feeling RIGHT - nothing has changed except over 1 million people in both illegally invaded nations have been slaughtered and over 1 million have become refugees and another equally high number are missing and or held prsioner in some secret US torture chamber - ok so lots of things have changed - but please quit thinking your in a democracy - you are ruled by facitst psychopaths who are making HUGE fortunes out of this horror story you call war

the US is the most hated nation on the face of the earth and the biggest threat to world peace (sic) that has ever been - Not one international agency set up for such things has been able to bring any type of justice to this horror not one - and most world leaders are silent - they mock the humane values that we need in order to withstand the nose dive into hell - by justifiying and allowing this war to continue day after day and year after year is immoral and we are all in danger of loosing our humanity while we close down our hearts and minds so that we don't 'feel' our humanity as other people die in such agaony and terror - we close down so we don't feel so enraged or disturb the business as usual paradigm - its all good - just get on with your life - go about your business, don't think about it -go support wal mart with your hard worked $$ - go fill up your tank with the blood red oil of the middle east and africa - don't try and think - just go out there and consume and fill that void - that place deep within you that is slowley dying

Obviously so many americans are to busy stargazing to stand up for social justice and NO one in any way shape or form within the legal or justice (sic) system has been able to stop any of this - or bring any moral or social responsiblity to account - NOT ONE - which should be a huge eye opener to you as it is to the rest of the world -History show us that the US has always been the evil empire at least covertly as the soon to be released CIA records reveal the same MO over and over - the rest of the world feels vindicated that their gut feelings about how evil the US really is, hiding as it does behind that hollywood facade - I just wish you people would wake the hell up and realise the responsiblity you have in stopping your kids from going to war for fat white men and spreading their racist bigoted rednecked BS in killling other peopels chidlren, anilating their families and totaly wrecking the nation of Iraq - I wish the arab world would rise up in unity and deal to you on their own soil in their own land forcing you out - I pray for UNITY of people everywhere to realise their own enslavement to this system which is clearly the beast of biblical proportions - and your god - the very devil its been warning about - I wish that you would all wake up and take a real look around at how much damage you have done in the world by your inaction before we get to a point that we loose any humanity we have left as you buy into your governments lies and rethoric about democracy and liberatioin and peace - you've let 8 years of horror pass with so much death and destruction of lives - you have done little to bring justice to a world that knew with every fibre of its being that going to war was not just wrong but imoral and illegal - and that the results would be exactly as they have turned out to be only more horrific than we could ever have imagined - the entire middle east is awash with tiny particulate matter of radiation from all the DU wepons the DN