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Whites Just Don't Understand the Black Experience

By Margaret Kamara, Diverse: Issues in Higher Education. Posted June 28, 2007.


To white Americans, giving up television is a hardship; being black is not. That's the upshot of a series of studies by researchers at The Ohio State University.

This article has also appeared on New America Media.

MANSFIELD, Ohio -- To white Americans, giving up television is a hardship; being black is not. That's the upshot of a series of studies by researchers at The Ohio State University.

As part of the studies, whites of different ages and geographic regions were asked how much they deserved to be paid for living the rest of their lives as an African American.

Respondents generally requested less than $10,000 to become black. However, they said they'd have to be paid $1 million to give up television for the rest of their lives.

"The costs of being black in our society are very well documented," says study co-author Philip Mazzocco. "Blacks have significantly lower income and wealth, higher levels of poverty and even shorter life spans, among many other disparities, compared to whites.

"When whites say they would need $1 million to give up TV, but less than $10,000 to become Black, that suggests they don't really understand the extent to which African Americans, as a group, are disadvantaged," says Mazzocco.

In another scenario, the references "white" and "America" were omitted, and participants were asked to select between being born a minority or majority in a fictional country called, "Atria." They were warned of the disadvantages that the minority group faced -- the same disparities faced by black Americans -- and they said they should be paid an average of $1 million to be born a minority.

"When you take it out of the black-white context, white Americans seem to fully appreciate the costs associated with the kinds of disparities that African Americans actually face in the United States," Mazzocco says.

"Our data suggest that such resistance is not because white Americans are mean and uncaring, morally bankrupt or ethically flawed," adds Dr. Mahzarin R. Banaji, a professor of social ethics at Harvard University. "White Americans suffer from a glaring ignorance about what it means to live as a black American."

The study also found that nearly all whites opposed reparations for slavery, saying it was "too long ago" and that the descendants of slavery don't need to be compensated.

However, when researchers ask participants to imagine a situation in which they could be part of a reparation lawsuit that would compensate them $5,000 for an event that occurred 150 years ago to a wealthy ancestor of theirs, 61 percent agreed to be part of the lawsuit.

This is the same percentage of blacks today that support reparations for slave descendants.

"[The] surveys show that 90 to 96 percent of white Americans are against slave descendant reparations. It is nearly impossible to get that many people to agree on anything, so it is an issue that really deserves attention to see why this is," says Mazzocco. "We need to take a heated and emotional issue and look through a scientific lens."

The study, titled "The Cost of Being Black: White Americans' Perceptions and the Question of Reparations," was facilitated by a postdoctoral fellowship to Mazzocco from Ohio State's Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity. The study appears in the fall 2006 issue of Harvard's Du Bois Review, a journal on social science research on race.

Georgia Southern University associate economics professor Gregory J. Brock, one of the study's co-author's, says the idea to do the study came after viewing media coverage of reparations struggles for groups wrongfully interred during wars.

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Giving up television is a hardship?
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Jun 28, 2007 12:06 AM   
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I thought viewership has been in a tailspin these days.

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Being white...
Posted by: Temporary on Jun 28, 2007 12:10 AM   
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is like living in gods candy store;no matter how much you steal, it's always OK!


Being black on the other hand is like living in hell;you screw up once, and you'll be whipped so much you wont remember your own name by the time it's over!

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» RE: Being white... Posted by: scvile
» RE: Being white... Posted by: kimbari
» RE: Being white... Posted by: mobile68
» RE: How does the cop know you are poor? Posted by: sterlingdave54
» RE: Being white... Posted by: luffy28
» RE: Being white... Posted by: perri6
» She's probably also rich. Posted by: yellow
» RE: Being white... Posted by: fibrowitch
Giving up t.v.
Posted by: algodees on Jun 28, 2007 2:42 AM   
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last July was the best thing I have ever done and it is as good as getting $1M. Why do we have so much trouble putting ourselves in another persons shoes? I guess we just aren't paying attention and can't be bothered to really consider others.

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» RE: Giving up t.v. Posted by: Leman
Put me in, coach
Posted by: Derek Maddox on Jun 28, 2007 3:21 AM   
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Perhaps the questions in the survey were a little more specific than this article indicates. If all you're talking about is changing the color of my skin, I'm good with even less than $10K. As long as I get to keep my education, work ethic and experience, and family, I'd be just as well off as I am now.

In my profession, with my company, no one cares what color you are. They only care about how skilled you are at the job you're hired to do, and how much profit they can make from your labor. White, black, purple with pink polka dots. They don't care.

If, on the other hand, you tell me that I've got to take up the socio-economic status of the average black American, I'll turn you down cold. Hell, I'd turn you down cold if you asked me to assume the socio-economic status of the average white American! I've worked too hard to get where I am, and have absolutely no interest in starting over. And don't give me the crap about whites starting out ahead of the game. My grandparents were dirt poor farmers in Mississippi, or union laborers. They all worked at least two jobs and saved every penny to help their kids, my parents, get a better start. I was only the second person in the entire family to ever graduate college (my father was first).

Work hard, work hard, work hard. Anyone can succeed in this country. Just ask the guy who was my BOSS for many years, who retired just last year. He's black.

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» LOL!!! Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» RE: Put me in, coach Posted by: mizani
» RE: Put me in, coach Posted by: juanpecan81
» RE: Put me in, coach Posted by: Leman
» The exception Posted by: Robba29
» RE: Put me in, coach Posted by: RDVSR
an alternative interpretation
Posted by: EasterBunny on Jun 28, 2007 4:11 AM   
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is that the whites didn't want to seem racist by saying they needed a million bucks or more to compensate them for "becoming black". it's a little insulting to tell someone that you would need a million bucks compensation for being them! i think the author is over-interpreting the data here.

and if you add "many" this statement from the article may be true:

"[many] White Americans suffer from a glaring ignorance about what it means to live as a black American."

but this study doesn't demonstrate that.

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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 28, 2007 4:07 AM   
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1. The research seems kind of lame, but the concept and sociological aspects are interesting. And I think it might kick off a good discussion.

2. The reparations question about the 5k appears to be rigged. All it means is that the average white person wouldn't mind cashing in on a frivolous lawsuit for something that happened to someone else a long time ago. What does that have to do with being black?...And go figure: "This is the same percentage of blacks today that support reparations for slave descendants." Hmmm...

3. It depends which black person I would be. Contrary to popular belief and interest-group politics, there are middle and upper-class blacks in this country. Would I like to be Michael Jordan, or George Foreman...or Jack and Jill black? In other words, you might have to refine the question to something like: Would you rather be black in the hood or white in a trailer park?...or something else that factors out class and income.

4. To make this a really interesting experiment, they should do a trading-places type of thing: be black/white for a week/month. They could even build a reality show around it, which would draw all kinds of controversy, which would help the ratings, and raise all kinds of money, some of which could be used for reparations.

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» 4 Posted by: benzene
» Internalized oppression anyone??? Posted by: psychochurch
» RE: Internalized oppression anyone??? Posted by: sterlingdave54
And the Reason It's Bad to be Black Is???????????????
Posted by: edith on Jun 28, 2007 4:44 AM   
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"Blacks have significantly lower income and wealth, higher levels of poverty and even shorter life spans, among many other disparities, compared to whites."

What is the implication here? That blacks have these problems because they are black, because they behave in negative ways, or because whites impose these deficiencies upon blacks? Let's cut out the cute inferences here.

There's a little too much in the know, wink, wink psychology here. When will
Alternet have the courage to publish an article aside from Earl Hutchinson's columns that reveals that much(not all) black woe is due to poor choices by blacks. A culture can be damaging as well as enobling.

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» It says a lot... Posted by: vangogh69
Whites were slaves too...
Posted by: SekhmetsatRa on Jun 28, 2007 5:30 AM   
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do descendents of white slaves get reparations? i asked this before... one of my ancestors was an Irish slave in the pre-revolutionary war period...

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» Awww......poor, Irish baby Posted by: sausage
» RE: Awww......poor, Irish baby Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: Awww......poor, Irish baby Posted by: juanpecan81
» No dogs or Irish allowed Posted by: sausage
» COMPLETE Bullshit psychochurch Posted by: ekipnrut
» RE: Awww......poor, Irish baby Posted by: SekhmetsatRa
» By that logic Posted by: Boomerang
» Who's saying this rubbish? Posted by: yellow
» Actually, the Irish... Posted by: vangogh69
» Oh really? Posted by: ateo
» RE: Whites were slaves too... Posted by: SekhmetsatRa
» Reparations for the Irish Posted by: moflard
» RE: eparations for the Irish Posted by: morticia
» Thankyou (nm) Posted by: moflard
» RE: Whites were slaves too... Posted by: techphile
A meaningless social study.
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 28, 2007 5:34 AM   
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The question asked of white subjects at Ohio State should have been, “How free would you feel as a black person?”

“Not much,” from my point of view as a Caucasian.

I can’t begin to imagine how difficult life would be for a black man in a white society where judgments of character are influenced by the color of one’s skin.

For black people in America, anonymity – a precious commodity to me -- is virtually unattainable in places where white people are the majority. How can anyone put a price on that?

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» Screwy rating Posted by: hagwind
» RE: A meaningless social study. Posted by: fibrowitch
» RE: A meaningless social study. Posted by: techphile
Most Whites think like Replublicans when it comes to Blacks
Posted by: deapp on Jun 28, 2007 5:37 AM   
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There has never been more of a historical emotional matrix of poisonous experiences between two races in the world as the one between Blacks and Whites. The American Blacks had to force change even if it meant burning down their own surroundings in the 60's. But the government and racist terrorist had prepared Whites over many years to fear Blacks because,” they were violent and would attack White neighborhoods and rape their daughters after they finished burning down their own homes”, built such resentment in the minds of whites toward Blacks and their forced accomplishments. In the 70's I lived in a dormitory at USM next door to a White guy who tried to convince me that if Black people would have just waited, White people would have came around and granted freedoms to Blacks in the 60's. Foolishness! Blacks have spent the last 80+ years fighting to rebuild the infrastructure that was destroyed following slavery and continues to be attacked today by the Neonazicon Republicans. Blacks faced resistance when trying to start businesses (Blacks were usually lynched or their businesses burned down), improve education, (only hand me down books and very poor environments for learning), the educated were unable to be hired in cooperate America, so most Blacks after the 60’s went to work for the Government (in which they had worked hard to force change), but unable to advance once they got into the door. Many of these very things continue today. Now, I believe in reparations but for the many that are still alive and their families who suffered through the Jim Crow system, terrorist attacks on their Churches, Homes, businesses and quality of life. Only 35 years ago!!!!!! What Whites need to learn is this; Blacks can not advance unless they bring Whites with them but Whites can advance with out us. You have nothing to FEAR but FEAR itself. How many Whites would agree on reparations for the brutality and destruction that Jim Crow has caused over the resent decades?

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With yet another divisive cheap-shot article, Alternet --like FOX, is race baiting. Click.
Posted by: Centavo on Jun 28, 2007 5:50 AM   
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» Oh please! Posted by: hagwind
So what does this mean anyway?
Posted by: hagwind on Jun 28, 2007 5:55 AM   
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I'm inclined to agree that white USians don't know what it's like to be black -- in general, privilege doesn't know what it's like to be less privileged, and often it doesn't want to know (one of the many perks of privilege is not having to acknowledge you're privileged) -- but drawing this conclusion from the questions asked? It had to have been obvious from the get-go that this was play money, that nothing was really at stake. And being deprived of TV is a realistic possibility, while being transformed into a black person is not.

The question wouldn't begin to get at my conscious or unconscious feelings on the subject. I've never owned a TV and haven't lived with one in more than 25 years. If you offered me a million dollars for real, I'd probably invite a TV into my life -- with the million bucks I could rent a bigger apartment where there'd be room for it. If you asked me how much you'd have to pay be to be black, my first question would be "How black?" I've been a woman all my life and for most of two decades I was fat: I know what it's like to be stereotyped, trashed, and ostracized because of my physical appearance, and you'd have to pay me plenty to get me to take on another visible characteristic that would prompt people to make and act on snap judgments about me. I never got busted for "driving while fat." Thank heavens for small favors. [Fe] If I could pass -- well, that wouldn't cost you so much.

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Stop making excuses!
Posted by: Poe on Jun 28, 2007 6:14 AM   
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I admit, I don't get the whole "black thing".

What I do get, though, is that people in this country are getting pretty fed up with getting blamed for the plight of a certain population that continually live an irresponsible lifestyle, choose to drop out of schools, choose to bring children into the world via "sperm donors", and choose, in many cases, to keep killing their own on inner city streets. Blacks in the inner city today, are doing more damage to themselves than slave owners from six generations ago.

The word racism today, has been hijacked by many of our black and white "leaders" for their own financial, political and social means, and has become nothing but a broken stick used to support an obnoxious, malevolent lifestyle that can't even be scrutinized from outside.

The real crime, is that Kings' Dream has become a reality for so many blacks, living a middle class and upper middle class lifestyle.

I wonder if they get the "black thing"?


Poe

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» RE: Stop making excuses! Posted by: anothername
» RE: Stop making excuses! Posted by: ladmeaux
And the most obvious title award goes to...
Posted by: suprmark on Jun 28, 2007 6:23 AM   
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If we could understand what each other go through in life things would be a whole lot easier. But we can't. I don't know what it is like to be you, you don't know what it is like to be me. I won't ever have to fear menopause, women will never have to fear their testosterone producing region. I won't know what it's like to be black, brown, yellow, red, French Canadian, or Anglo Canadian (why only black was picked for this study is beyond me - there are other minorities too). They won't know what it's like to be me. They won't know what it's like to be each other.

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» Ah, proofreading... Posted by: suprmark
More respect of issue
Posted by: anothername on Jun 28, 2007 6:24 AM   
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The tone of the posts demonstrate the reason why the black/white issue remains a topic. My first reaction was that the survey could also be interepreted to mean that white people were not repulsed by the idea of being black. However, given the vast difference in dollar amounts cited, I would interpret the results as meaning that most people do not know what it means to be black in America, whereas they have an idea of what it means to be tied to television.

There is a heirarchical structure within the black community, just as there is within the white community. Artists, professionals, and laborers are all treated differently, regardless of skin color. There has also been heirachical levels created over various historical eras based on which group is in power. The current hostility about illegal immigrants has strong resonances with the hostility towards Irish immigrants in the 19th Century.

It has been relatively few years since blacks could vote without poll taxes and other obstacles. Regardless of how much money a person makes, if his skin is black, he would have struggled to find representation and power outside of a certain circle of like-skinned people. Thus, it is not fair to blame individual families for not pulling themselves out of poverty or lower middle-class existence. Besides, there are families, both black and white, who prefer to focus on family rather than on making more money. Unfortunately, in America, money talks regardless of skin color or ethnicity. We also have people who think it is appropriate to make death threats against presidential candidates merely because they are black.

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» RE: More respect of issue Posted by: djnoll
» RE: More respect of issue Posted by: techphile
Minority Report
Posted by: RChenault on Jun 28, 2007 6:36 AM   
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Do you feel guilty, angry white posters?

Is that what makes you, despite all your progressive intelligence and education, so angrily deride racism as bogus or an excuse?

These past few months have been a real education for me. I've seen quite a bit of these postings in the recent months, and I have to wonder if seeing a positive black image *cough Obama* combined with a serious disaster that was exacerbated by governmental inaction *cough Katrina* has shined a little light into how much you pay, UNJUSTLY, for being born with black skin.

Despite the "I was born a poor white child" comments, black folks still aren't paid as much as whites for the same jobs and are denied housing based upon the color of their skin. We're still pulled over and searched, we're still jailed for longer and more frequently, and we're still discriminated against. Things have changed, but only enough for there to be neat little commentaries like this one, where white people can tell black people how they're doing.

I think there are organizers on this forum. Why don't you do as you have learned from your organizing background and ask actual black people? And don't cherrypick or use your own circle... go to some places that you're not comfortable being in (or some places that you just don't live... some of us are comfortable everywhere) and ask hard questions (hard for you, too) about what life is like on the other side of the color spectrum. Ask people about health care when you're black and underemployed. Ask people about talking to the police when you're black and living in the inner city. You'll have an idea, not the whole thing, but an idea about the black experience.

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» RE: Minority Report Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: Minority Report Posted by: aerdrie
» RE: Minority Report Posted by: morticia
» RE: Minority Report Posted by: deapp
» RE: Minority Report Posted by: suprmark
» Black Privelege Posted by: suprmark
» RE: Minority Report Posted by: deapp
more details on the study
Posted by: EasterBunny on Jun 28, 2007 6:40 AM   
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this site had some more details on the studies, it's more complex than the alternet article suggests (no surprise there).

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/06/

"The researchers did a series of studies in which a total of 958 whites of different ages and from different parts of the country were asked variations of the same question: “How much should you be paid to continue to live the rest of your life as a black person?”

In most cases, the participants were told to imagine they were actually black, but had always passed for white. The imagined race change required no physical transformation, just a change in public status.

They were also asked how much they should be paid for giving up television, and how much they should be given to change their officially listed state residency (without having to move). These questions were asked, Mazzocco said, to compare what people requested for relatively trivial changes, like a new listed state residency, as compared to a more life-changing request, like giving up television.

Results suggest white people considered a race change as relatively trivial, along the lines of a change in official state residency, as opposed to the seemingly big sacrifice of giving up television.

In some of the studies, the researchers changed the scenario in order to learn more about what white Americans thought about the costs of racial disparities.

One issue with the previous scenario is that participants may minimize the disparities they would face as a black person, because they had always passed as white. So in one study, whites were told to imagine that they were about to be born as a random white person in America, but they were being offered a cash gift to be born as a random black person. Once again, white participants requested relatively small sums to make a life-long race-change. In addition, some were given a list of some of the costs of being black in America, such as the racial wealth disparity. The result was that whites in this latter scenario requested significantly higher amounts than those in the previous studies—about $500,000.

Finally, some participants were given a similar scenario except all references to blacks, whites and America were taken out. They were asked to imagine they were born into the fictional country of Atria, and were born either into the “majority” or “minority” population. They were given a list of the disadvantages that the minority population faced in Atria (which were identical to the real disadvantages faced by blacks in America). In this case, white participants in the study said they should be paid an average of $1 million to be born as a minority member in Atria.

“When you take it out of the black-white context, white Americans seem to fully appreciate the costs associated with the kinds of disparities that African Americans actually face in the United States,” Mazzocco said. “In this case, they asked for a million dollars, similar to what they want for giving up television.”

Mazzocco said blatant prejudice was not the reason for the findings. Results showed that whites who scored higher on a measure of racial prejudice did not answer significantly differently than others in the study."

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I'm saddened by the level of thoughtless, reflexive racism displayed by AlterNet readers...
Posted by: JoshM on Jun 28, 2007 6:44 AM   
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To get some sense of the scope of it, you need only to compare the AlterNet responses to this article to the responses on the website where the article first was published (New American Media had picked it up from Diverse Issues in Higher Education http://www.diverseeducation.com/):

"These findings further reinforce those articulated by Michael K. Brown and other scholars in, Whitewashing Race: The Myth of the Color-Blind Society (University of California Press, 2003). The willed ignorance of white Americans about the continued structural inequality of race is reinforced by mainstream discourses which see “racism” as a thing of the past, and which therefore deem “talking about race” unnecessary. Challenging those discourses (with empirical/historical evidence) is central to any significant effort toward social justice in higher education, and all other U.S. institutions."

"IMO, whites do understand the disadvantages of being black. That’s why most of them don’t need much money for that. I think they just want to change our perspective on different races. If we can all just see that all of us are equal and not to think the superiority of our races then we don’t need to look for the disadvantages."

"Empirical data is important, but in my experience, it doesn’t change the debate. There have been study after study documenting the disparities in health access, educational access, treatment by various institutions and individuals, but they just don’t seem to sink in. I’ve come to believe that a certain level of wilfull ignorance pervades white thinking and response to any conversation on race, and it’s going to take more than data to shift that, it’s going to take changing the stakes to make race and racism a personal issue for them."

"I agree 100%... It does not sink in and it does not because of White Privilege. As long as this prevails in American sccieety, things will not change (or change so slowly that most of us will not see it!). Derrick Bell says it in his book “Faces at the Bottom of the Well. The Permanence of Racism.” I would recommend that “Code” read that book as well as others on the subject and even better yet subscribe to a periodical called “Race traitor”, whose motto is “Treason to Whiteness is loyalty to humanity”."

And so on. On commenter on that site does suggest response bias, but even s/he hastens to add: "This study, as far as this article reports, does not take response bias into account. Personally, someone *would* have to pay me $1 million to be born black. I am fully aware of how difficult it is for black people in America, no matter how hard they try, to live a life comparable to a white American. It sucks but it’s very true."

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» Reflexive racism Posted by: YogiBear
If you buy into the notion that the measure of person is the content of his character...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jun 28, 2007 6:57 AM   
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...and not the color of his or her skin, then these results aren't all that surprising. Yes, some people apparently find this notion quite pollyanna, but I insist that it's one of the more civil places to begin.

A hundred C-bills to get over the initial shock of waking up with a darker tan, and maybe making a quick appointment with the Doc to make sure it wasn't skin cancer, but just a loony study? Sure, sign me up.

Along the spectrum of trivialities, this study apparently finds that race is ten times more trivial than duhTeeVee to a majority of the people (I refuse to use the author's segregationist tone) that were polled.

On the other hand, would this study have found that a majority of the people polled would demand hundreds of millions to alter their skin pigmentation--that would have indicated an irrational disdain, or implied that those people honestly believed that they were worth substantially more based solely on pigment. Of course, if your goal is race-baiting, you're a happy author regardless the results of any poll that pits slightly differentially pigmented folks against one another.

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Why so much denial
Posted by: daw13 on Jun 28, 2007 7:01 AM   
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Little white people have as little control over the fundamental processes of racism as do people of color. White people want to feel good about ourselves. It's hard to be happy when we know that we benefit from a rigged game. It's even harder when we know that we sell our souls for this privilege. We accept being bullies in exchance for being secure. Sad sad sad.

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» RE: Why so much denial Posted by: Logic's Edge
Mos Def - Mr. Nigga
Posted by: juanpecan81 on Jun 28, 2007 7:03 AM   
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Who is the cat eatin out on the town
And make the whole dining room turn they head round
(Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
He got the speakers in the trunk with the bass on crunk)
Who be ridin up in the highrise elevator
Other tenants who be prayin they ain't the new neighbor
(Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
They try to play him like a chump cause he got what they want)

He under thirty years old but already he's a pro
Designer trousers slung low ccause his pockets stay swoll'
Could afford to get up and be anywhere he go
V.I.P. at the club, backstage at the show
(Yes y'all) the best crib, the best clothes
Hottest whips on the road neck and wrists on froze (say word)
Checks with O's o-o-o-o-ohs
Straight all across the globe watch got three time-zones
Keep the digital phone up to his dome
Two assistants, two bank accounts, two homes
One problem; even with the O's on his check
The po-po stop him and show no respect
"Is there a problem officer?" Damn straight, it's called race
That motivate the jake (woo-woo) to give chase
Say they want you successful, but that ain't the case
You livin large, your skin is dark they flash a light in your face

Now, who is cat dining out on the town
Maitre'd wanna take a whole year to sit him down
(Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
He got the speakers in the trunk with the bass on crunk)
Now, who is the cat at Armani buyin wears
With the tourists who be askin him, do you work here?
(Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga)
Nigga Nigga

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They say they want you successful, but then they make it stressful
You start keepin pace, they start changin up the tempo

Now, who is cat riding out on the town
State trooper wanna stop him in his ride, pat him down
(Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga)
He got the speakers in the trunk with the bass on crunk
Now, who is the cat with the hundred dollar bill
They gotta send it to the back to make sure the shit is real
(Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga)
Nigga Nigga.. Nigga

You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
Same press kickin dirt on Michael's name
Show Woody and Soon-Yi at the playoff game, holdin hands
Sit back and just bug, think about that
Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?
O.J. found innocent by a jury of his peers
And they been fuckin with that nigga for last five years
Is it fair, is it equal, is it just, is it right?
Do you do the same shit when the defendent face is white?
If white boys doin it, well, it's success
When I start doin, well, it's suspect
Don't hate me, my folks is poor, I just got money
America's five centuries deep in cotton money
You see a lot of brothers caked up, yo straight up
It's new, y'all livin off of slave traders paper
But I'm a live though, yo I'm a live though
I'm puttin up the big swing for my kids yo
Got my mom the fat water-front crib yo
I'm a get her them pretty bay windows
I'm a cop a nice home to provide in
A safe environment for seeds to reside in
A fresh whip for my whole family to ride in
And if I'm still Mr Nigga, I won't find it suprisin

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» RE: Mos Def - Mr. Nigga Posted by: pito516
Yep, racism is alive and well
Posted by: redjenny on Jun 28, 2007 7:30 AM   
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You just have to read the comments on the study here to see that. Many people claim low IQ for black people for instance. I don't know about you, but to me those commenters confirm the study's results. They obviously have no idea what it is like to be disadvantaged because of skin colour.

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» RE: Yep, racism is alive and well Posted by: EasterBunny
Poverty in rural America
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 28, 2007 7:43 AM   
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I grew up in rural Nebraska in the 1960's, and believe me there was poverty in rural America--then and now. Then and now also it had nothing to do with race. My dad was a farm tenent as were many others in my community. We were white and still poor and living in substandard housing. At the exact time shows like "Green Acres" and "The Beverly Hillbillies" were running on tv and giving urban people a good yuck, we were living the reality and it wasn't so funny. Nobody was crying for us and saying "oh those poor white tenent farmers in Nebraska". Nobody worrie