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After College Ends, So Does Activism
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She did this on top of a work schedule -- divorced from her political work -- that would make Horatio Alger squirm. As a supervisor at the university library, Nelson checked out books five nights a week until 2 a.m. Two summers ago, she took a job as one of only two women on a road-paving crew in her native Kalamazoo. When she worked as a full-time unpaid intern for the public defender's office in Washington D.C., she logged an additional 30 hours a week as a hotel attendant.
Why would anyone put herself through this? Nelson had to balance her conscience with her checkbook. Paying for college was her responsibility. "My parents just didn't have money and I didn't want to ask them for it," she says, "so everything that I had, I had to pay for basically by myself."
In April, she graduated with almost $30,000 in student loans. So she's keeping her job at the library at night while searching during the day for work in progressive politics, which she knows won't pay enough to cover both her cost of living and her current debt. "School debt is the best kind of debt to have," she says, "but it's still debt." Nelson is quick to point out that others have it much worse than her, but her story illustrates a growing trend among the recent crop of college graduates. Despite a job market that will treat the class of 2007 favorably, employment in progressive politics is a dicey enterprise for many left-leaning activists and thinkers. The value of jobs varies across industries and organizations, but few are economically sustainable or intellectually stimulating, which is a problem for students and progressive veterans alike. Political McJobs
That few entry level political jobs exist is part of the problem, as documented by Columbia University sociology professor Dana R. Fisher in her book, Activism, Inc. Fisher spent two years studying one of the country's largest canvassing companies, part of an exploitative industry that has employed millions of young Americans. In the late '90s, progressive organizations -- concerned with raising money and membership totals but conscious of their costs -- began outsourcing their organizing campaigns to centralized intermediary organizations. This model is efficient but problematic. "Outsourcing makes sense if you're just thinking about your bottom line," Fisher says. "The problem is that it doesn't make sense if you're trying to build lasting connections with future progressive leaders or with local people."
Under this canvassing system, young organizers become contingent labor, susceptible to low pay, long hours, no benefits and no training in the real skills necessary to succeed in building local power. In some ways, the model cultivates a culture of deprivation; young people are taught to think that sacrifice is a prerequisite for progressive change and thus they tolerate exploitation for the sake of the movement. And because most organizations outsource these jobs, participating in this crooked system is one of the few avenues for paid work. "One could question," says Fisher, "whether Saul Alinsky, Ralph Nader or Cesar Chavez would have become successful at leading different aspects of the progressive movement if they came up through the model we have today."
Budgetary concerns of progressive organizations also contribute to underinvestment in youth. Take aspiring journalists. The few media outlets in which writers can publish thoughtful and progressively opinionated articles work on shoestring budgets. This means they can't afford to hire experienced staff writers, much less young people committed to political journalism. Left-of-center think tanks face similar challenges. Institutions like the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities and the Center for American Progress have a handful of low-paid internships -- both of which pay less than $10 an hour -- but few entry-level job opportunities with a salary and benefits. The Progressive Policy Institute and the Brookings Institution don't even provide internship stipends, a major concern for young people transplanted to the cities these organizations call home (Washington D.C. and New York City) that are among the world's most expensive places to live. These cost inhibitions significantly limit the scope of their applicant pool.
Cash rules everything around me
Because of the growing cost of college, these tiring, low-paying gigs or unpaid internships are increasingly inadequate options for left-leaning graduates. With state and federal legislators redirecting funds away from universities, college tuition has outpaced family income for the past 15 years and inflation for the past 30 years. The burden of payment has also been shifted to the students. Loans have replaced interest-free grants as the most common form of recompense, resulting in a system whereby the average student today, according to the Center for American Progress, graduates with debt almost three and a half times that of graduates just 10 years ago. "The typical student is leaving with about $19,000 dollars in student loan debt," says Tamara Draut, author of Strapped: Why America's 20- and 30-Somethings Can't Get Ahead. "And that is going to create a financial pinch when they get their first job."
Health care is another concern. A 2006 Commonwealth Fund study found that since 2000, 2.5 million people between the age of 19 and 29 lost healthcare coverage, bringing the grand total of uninsured 20-somethings to 14 million. Among the lucky few who can pay for and get through college, 40 percent will lose their familial coverage after graduation, with under-funded organizations unlikely to pick up the costs of employer-based healthcare.
These financial burdens disproportionately affect students of color and those from less secure economic backgrounds, whose need for job stability is generally more pressing than that of their classmates. "It's always been hard to attract class diversity in the progressive movement. It's largely been dominated by people who have family backgrounds that enable them, for whatever reason, to take a lower salary, particularly if they are just starting out," says Draut. "I think the problem is that now it's become even more challenging." All of these factors lead even the most socially conscious graduates away from progressive politics toward less-fulfilling career fields.
Wasting a big chance
The importance of engaging and gainfully employing young progressives is hard to overstate, both for its immediate practicality and the long-term sustainability of the left. By ignoring progressive grads' economic constraints, the progressive movement -- activists and funders -- are squandering an immense opportunity to utilize the ideology, size and energy of the post-graduate generation.
Politically, young folks trend well to the left of older generations. According to a February study by the New Politics Institute, "Millennials," generally people born between 1978 and 1998, "are more likely than any others to hold opinions considered to be 'liberal' or 'progressive' across virtually all issue clusters: economic intervention, environmental protection, security, crime, education, and social issues." This includes a full 60 percent who believe invading Iraq was a mistake.
There are a lot of them, too; new graduates are part of the biggest birth influx in 40 years, an encouraging statistic for those concerned with filling the void soon to be created by retiring Baby Boomers. And unencumbered by family restrictions and interested in a little adventure, many young progressives will relocate and log long hours, as long as they can avoid financial destruction and psychological burnout while doing so.
Matching the infrastructure of the right is crucial. Lefties face an uphill battle competing with young conservatives, who are groomed through a variety of comprehensive youth development programs. One example -- among many -- is the National Journalism Center (NJC), founded 30 years ago by conservative journalist M. Stanton Evans. The NJC runs six-to-12 week training sessions where budding reporters learn technical skills as well as the intricacies of substantive policies issues. But the love doesn't end there. After the training period, attendees are funneled into competitive internship programs -- in conservative or mainstream media outlets -- and then added to an NJC job bank, where staffers help place graduates in permanent media positions. According to its website, "Over 1,400 students have now graduated from the NJC's 12-week training sessions ... and we estimate some 900 of these have gone on to media and media-related positions."
Building for the future
One remedy for this crisis is the professionalization of progressive politics. If legislators won't find ways to ease the financial burden hampering young folks, politically engaged graduates, eager to work full-time for social change, should be given the opportunity to provide for their economic needs in the same way as their colleagues in the private sector. To do so, a two-pronged approach could be enacted.
First, some existing entry-level options in political work are actually valuable and progressives must identify and continue to support these programs. A good example is the AFL-CIO's Union Summer, a 10-week summer program in which prospective organizers are paid a weekly stipend to learn the ropes of the union movement, including building coalitions, canvassing neighborhoods, visiting members' homes and organizing direct actions and public events. After the summer, union leaders assist those that succeed in finding full-time jobs.
Securing funding is the other key to the puzzle. While some progressive organizations have received a needed cash infusion from the likes of George Soros and his allies in the Democracy Alliance, innovative forms of philanthropy focused explicitly on youth development need to be fostered. One of the most promising alternatives is the rise of the Cool Rich Kids Movement.
Originally coined by author and activist Billy Wimsatt, it's typified by Resource Generation (RG), a national organization that works with wealthy young progressives -- most of whom inherited their wealth -- to bring about social change through the inventive and responsible use of their own resources. By holding local dinners, a national workshop series and an annual conference, young people of wealth break down stigmas attached to class and teach each other the best ways to support valuable causes.
"We're not telling people where they should put their money," says Elspeth Gilmore, the RG program coordinator. "We're trying to provide a framework and an analysis to be able to support young people who do have wealth and access to participate in the conversations about how we can create more sustainable organizations." To date, 1,000 young people have worked with RG. Building that movement could infuse much-needed life into social justice philanthropy and youth employment development.
But until progressive veterans realize the necessity of this support, organizers like Nelson will be left with a choice: sell-out or squeak by. It's one that committed young people like her should not be forced to make.
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Posted by: Temporary on Jul 19, 2007 1:29 AM
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Posted by: edith on Jul 19, 2007 4:07 AM
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Some, no make that many, young people of 22 have their own families to support-young children. Definitely not cool. If they really cared about civil rights or the environment they would have had an abortion or refrained from sex altogether.
If the majority could only do what they OUGHT to do! Damn democracy-interferes every time with the Movement.
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Posted by: jcrw on Jul 19, 2007 7:09 AM
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The assumption that the U.S. college graduate automatically earns great incomes forever, become part of the upper middle class in five years, who always has "good prospects", is the happy-face mythology that is crashing in the U.S. Corporate capitalism is now importing well trained college graduates from India, etc. for about one third to one half the rate of U.S. graduates.
The student-loan racket should be taken out of the hands of the gang of banks and become a nationalized government run affair. Existing debts should be phased out after so many years. It is a national interest that as many people as possible be educated. Especially into professions desperately needed (teaching, health care,) and now new skills and sciences essential for human survival. Student Loans should be forgiven after working in such National Priorities professions and jobs.
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Posted by: urrican on Jul 19, 2007 7:31 AM
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Look at the tagline: Selling out is a depressingly rational choice for many college graduates.
Why do the headline and tagline focus on the failure of college graduates to continue activism in their worklife rather than focus on the failure of the Left to create jobs with sustainable wages?
(Is this perhaps the same mindset that talks about battered women instead of battering men?)
I asked a friend of mine (with a very high-level government position) why the right was so much more committed to creating reasonable-paying jobs working toward their goals.
His answer? Because wealthy Republicans stand to gain enormously if their agenda is carried out successfully, whereas wealthy Democrats stand to lose if egalitarian beliefs become standard. So, when it comes time to put their own money into bringing about the vision, or to create positions that could be held by enthusiastic and successful young organizers, wealthy Democrats somehow just can't seem to do it.
I worked in the anti-death penalty movement in the mid-90s. Wealthy supporters loved to give money to Sister Helen Prejean because they knew not a penny of it would go to tawdry things like salary and health insurance. People who believed the death penalty was wrong and should be abolished actually said to me: If you need a salary, you shouldn't be doing this kind of work. Others, including people on my own Board of Directors, told me I should get a real job, and then volunteer to fulfill my needs to effect change. These were the same people who often left me to carry out their committee commitments at the last minute, because their job, or their family, or their vacation, or (fill-in-the-blank), demanded more of them than they had previously expected.
Who benefits when progressive positions pay so little that only rich kids or bored wealthy wives can afford to take them? In the case of programs working with at-risk kids, for example, when the job is 20 hours a week with no benefits, and the staff people are always tired because they have to have other paid employment, or because they have all these other commitments related to their status, who benefits is the folks who sell expensive tennis shoes and clothes, soda, candy, chips, cigarettes, booze, drugs, violent-lyric music, and the other temptations thrown at children and young adults who don't have a solid voice in their life calling them to reject these things over more lasting investments like books and nutritious food.
Until wealthy and influential people on the Left stop seeing peace and justice as a hobby and actually start creating and funding real jobs with benefits working for change, we're silly to expect much improvement.
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Posted by: hellofriends on Jul 19, 2007 7:50 AM
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one more thing: collected insects is a "hobby," stopping the war in iraq is not. i see your point, but this word belittles volunteer activism to the point of being insulting.
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Posted by: juanpecan81 on Jul 19, 2007 7:52 AM
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lets not forget that the student loan bank are FOR PROFIT companies! i think it everytime i see a goddamn salliemae envelope in my mailbox. id go piss on the building but im sure its in an office park behind tall iron fences. they have to hide behind their fences and gates b.c when people figure out their scam they get PISSED. wait till they start getting hungry...
its hard to resist, let alone change, a system you're already indentured to.
"Its not hard to be confused
when you find out youve been used
as a sacrifice for other people's gain.
And no matter what they say
its the same thing everyday
and noone seems concerned about your pain."
- lauryn hill "little boys"
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Posted by: ggg on Jul 19, 2007 8:23 AM
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SOLUTIONS:
1) Sponsor a direct action activist - pay for their airfare, gasfare, or art materials for a single action- in exchange for a personal, engaging reportback to your community. You can do this as an invidual, or organize a group of friends, or your church (etc.) to split the costs and make it easy.
2) Open your home - Rent is one of the biggest obstacles for high performance, low income organizers to do their work. Offer your house as a place for responsible, committed activists to stay for reduced rent - or for free - in return for their commitment to organize full time. (it makes for exciting dinner conversations!)
3) Direct funding - Bypass the big political machines and non-profits with professional staffs, DC offices, and huge overheads, and give donations directly to the myriad of amazing grassroots groups organizing within local communities, or who have courageously committed themselves to Direct Action of various kinds. Unlike the big organizations with massive internal budgets, these orgs spend nearly 100% of fundraising on supplies and events planning. While this does not fund activists themselves, you would be suprised that many of these critical local actions are usually self funded (by those already doing all the work, who have little money to spare) so paying for these costs not only increases the scale of the event dramatically, but it takes the burden off those at the front lines.
Let's help these people do what they do best - to the benefit of all of us!
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Posted by: felixcommi on Jul 19, 2007 9:03 AM
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What we need to do is understand that activism should be strongest in the workplace if we want to transform society into a better more democratic place. Become an admin. assistant, plumber, nurse, retail worker, etc....become anything in the working world and fight tooth and nail for workplace democracy by organizing collectively with your sisters, brothers, and others.
There is no shame in going into the trenches of a capitalist workplace and trying to transform it from within, take it over and run it by the workers for the workers (eat that Abe Lincoln)....
When we tell our friends who and what we are, it rarely goes liek this...hi my name is Susan and I'm a pisces...it usually goes"hi my name is Susan and I am a teacher"...our jobs are most often the centre of our identities and they are the centre of human life...that is where we must fight whether it is in a progressive organization or McDonalds...
The only catch is we all have to join the struggle to make it work...otherwise when your friend fights back without an army of labour behind her there will be no struggle, she'll get fired and the chill of subservience will creep through your spine...and all we will see is capitulation to the rich and mandatorily ruthless (but nice in person) capitalist class...
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Posted by: HughScott on Jul 19, 2007 10:22 AM
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Sadly to me four decades later, during the most dangerous war in American history created by the most dangerous U.S. president ever, college students appear more concerned about grade-point ratios than their less fortunate brethern being killed and wounded in Iraq.
Like Vietnam, Gulf War 2 is being fought mainly by kids from low-income families. So-called “volunteers,” they joined the military to escape poverty, only to lose their lives and limbs while sons of rich and middleclass Americans sit smugly at home watching the action on TV as less fortunate citizens their age are getting killed and wounded in Iraq, the whole time wishing to hell they’d never volunteered in the first place.
Democratic Congressman Charley Rangel, a decorated Korean War vet, wants the draft reinstated. I do too, if nothing more than to build the character in young Americans our nation so desperately needs. But mention forced induction to members of Congress and they throw up their hands in horror. God forbid their precious offspring having to endure boot camp much less combat.
And why should they serve? With 34 million Americans living in poverty under Bush economic policies favoring the wealthiest citizens plus 45 million families without medical insurance, there is plenty of GI cannon fodder to go around.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of the nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, which features 50 cartoons, photos and other Bushwhacking illustrations plus the only hardcopy proof of White House corruption ever found on the Internet.
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Posted by: axandrade on Jul 19, 2007 10:43 AM
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What happens if progressives succeed? Society in general benefits, the environment benefits, families would have healthcare and Iraqis wouldnt die as much. The problem is that none of these groups have enough money, nor the political awareness to support activism.
It's not a matter of leftists being cheap or poor, it's a matter of wise investing. George Soros does not expect to make a profit out of his contributions unlike conservative supporters.
Now I do see an alternative, perhaps put the emphasis on economically successful progressive businesses. Lend money to capitalize viable bookstores, restaurants, industry!, that have to prescribe to certain progressive guidelines 1. good benefits and a living wage 2. environmental conciousness and actions, etc. The additional costs would be offset by educating consumers to recognize a certificate of good practices and pay accordingly, and a smaller profit margin.
That would not necessarily be activism, but businesses like that are productive over the long run, and don't depend on begging for money interrupting family dinners. And could eventually fund activism itself.
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"You would think that considering 10,000+ college professors across America embrace Marxism/Communism"
"Tibetans were slaughtered and tortured under the sainted Mao Tse Tung, but since he was a leftist hero, it was reactionary to criticize the sainted Chinese Reds"
"There is however, for those few idealistic, unattached souls who want to do charity work for the Left, a pile of money available for leftwing causes."
"The fact is that the Left is cheap, not poor. "
"protecting open spaces from those liberals that would like to build condo's on them!
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I'm still laughing!!!!
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 19, 2007 12:03 PM
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It's worth reviewing what became of all those radical 60s-era anti-war protestors. Sure, a few stuck with it - but most happily transformed themselves from hippies to yuppies (easier to do if you were white, it's true, though I hear that a combination of hair straightening, skin bleaching and minor facial surgey results in a remarkable 'whiteface' facsimile).
Case in point is the "ultra-radical" Yippie founder, Jerry Rubin, who after getting a lot of media exposure as a prominent anti-war critic, then jumped into Wall Street business circles, where he became a 'successful entrepreneur' and invested in various 'alternative health care schemes'.
You know, it's easy to critique the pharmaceutical industry, but the so-called 'alternative health care' really isn't much better. They'll import cheap and pollution-laden herbs from China, use snake-oil approaches like promoting shark cartiledge as a cure for cancer, and just generally take advantage of sick people under the guise of 'hippie healthcare'. Their products are almost entirely unregulated, and just like the pharmaceutical industry, they spend far more on marketing than on research. In fact, they do almost NO research, but since they don't put their products through FDA kangaroo-court drug trials, they don't need to.
I for one am completely sick of and disgusted by aging baby boomers who constantly claim that 'younger generations don't have the activist spirit that we did'. No, younger generations look at you, by and large, as pathetic sellouts and hippie-crites. Here we are in another Vietnam War, and look who's managing it? The baby boomers, all grown up and absorbed into the system. What amazing hypocrisy!
Face it - you failed to change anything. The Vietnam war was doomed to failure in the long run, protests or not - thanks to the VC and the NVA and the general fact that people don't like to be invaded and occupied by foreign powers. Oil imports to the United States went up and up and up, and the entire renewable energy push of the post-oil shock era was shut down by Reagan and the oil corporations, with nary a word of protest from the yuppies who hopped on the Reagan greed train with ethusiasm.
What's going to happen to the aging baby boomers when they all reach retirement? Who's going to be paying for the Social Security payouts? Immigrant labor? Face it: your generation has screwed the pooch, bigtime. Well done.
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Posted by: felixcommi on Jul 19, 2007 12:14 PM
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Wealth (profits) in our society is derived from exploiting labour (whether nicely or not...its an objective reality of industrial relations) Thus, progressive organizations can offer great and absolutely necessary intellectual fodder, but they do not exist to produce wealth only to accept donated funds or receive money from the occasional t-shirts.
It is a constant struggle to stay afloat for most progressive organizations. Pro-Corporate Capitalist Conservative activist groups are actually capable of generating wealth because they work for; anti-worker, anti-environment, and anti-democracy trade deals; right to work (anti-union...see Democracy)legislation, anti-minimum wage efforts, etc....all things that eventually help their backers' bottom lines.
The struggles are different and you cannot compare the resources from those sympathetic to the left wing groups and right wing groups. Those who control half the worlds wealth could have a sock-hop in your local rec centre and not violate fire fegulations for over-crowding...there is a lot of money from very few people that can keep conservative groups afloat and it actually derives great benefits...
Whether it be labour, social, environmental, groups, etc. the struggle is always uphill and you rarely make enormous gains by winning favourable legislation, but rather small gains here and there and often just victories against clawbacks....
PS....Marx' Socialism is meant to be democratic and no groups have ever enacted a wide scale democratic socialist state....
But maybe i'm wrong...all you righty's seem to have a monopoly on Democracy. It's that simple concept of subservience by servant to master, where worker self-determination and collective-discretion in our daily affairs (i.e. the economy) is the grossest of all infractions ....
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P.S.: I'd start off by firing Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, Rangel, Schumer, LIEberman, Nelson, etc ... from the Democratic Party. TOO MUCH betrayal there already.
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Someone asked "What have you done lately for Tibet?"
And as much as I love and respect the Dalai Lama, Buddhism, etc... how can we save Tibet when there are 10,000 homeless people sleeping in piss and shit in the streets of San Francisco (or any other US city inflicted with mass poverty)....tens of thousands of children who can't read or don't have food or shoes without holes...or parents who keep them safe.
Tibet? Darfur?
YES, we are world citizens and YES, saving Tibet is sexy but we can't even get ***our own country*** out of a war... Citizens of our own country are starving, homeless, illiterate, etc....
How can we save TIBET when we can't save the USA?
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take a bunch of winter clothes to the homeless shelter.
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Market failures, critical infrastructure, and things which are required to continue/advance society should be removed from the market; health care and education are two prominent examples.
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Some, no make that many, young people of 22 have their own families to support-young children. Definitely not cool. If they really cared about civil rights or the environment they would have had an abortion or refrained from sex altogether.
If the majority could only do what they OUGHT to do! Damn democracy-interferes every time with the Movement.
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Posted by: jcrw on Jul 19, 2007 7:09 AM
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The assumption that the U.S. college graduate automatically earns great incomes forever, become part of the upper middle class in five years, who always has "good prospects", is the happy-face mythology that is crashing in the U.S. Corporate capitalism is now importing well trained college graduates from India, etc. for about one third to one half the rate of U.S. graduates.
The student-loan racket should be taken out of the hands of the gang of banks and become a nationalized government run affair. Existing debts should be phased out after so many years. It is a national interest that as many people as possible be educated. Especially into professions desperately needed (teaching, health care,) and now new skills and sciences essential for human survival. Student Loans should be forgiven after working in such National Priorities professions and jobs.
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Posted by: urrican on Jul 19, 2007 7:31 AM
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Look at the tagline: Selling out is a depressingly rational choice for many college graduates.
Why do the headline and tagline focus on the failure of college graduates to continue activism in their worklife rather than focus on the failure of the Left to create jobs with sustainable wages?
(Is this perhaps the same mindset that talks about battered women instead of battering men?)
I asked a friend of mine (with a very high-level government position) why the right was so much more committed to creating reasonable-paying jobs working toward their goals.
His answer? Because wealthy Republicans stand to gain enormously if their agenda is carried out successfully, whereas wealthy Democrats stand to lose if egalitarian beliefs become standard. So, when it comes time to put their own money into bringing about the vision, or to create positions that could be held by enthusiastic and successful young organizers, wealthy Democrats somehow just can't seem to do it.
I worked in the anti-death penalty movement in the mid-90s. Wealthy supporters loved to give money to Sister Helen Prejean because they knew not a penny of it would go to tawdry things like salary and health insurance. People who believed the death penalty was wrong and should be abolished actually said to me: If you need a salary, you shouldn't be doing this kind of work. Others, including people on my own Board of Directors, told me I should get a real job, and then volunteer to fulfill my needs to effect change. These were the same people who often left me to carry out their committee commitments at the last minute, because their job, or their family, or their vacation, or (fill-in-the-blank), demanded more of them than they had previously expected.
Who benefits when progressive positions pay so little that only rich kids or bored wealthy wives can afford to take them? In the case of programs working with at-risk kids, for example, when the job is 20 hours a week with no benefits, and the staff people are always tired because they have to have other paid employment, or because they have all these other commitments related to their status, who benefits is the folks who sell expensive tennis shoes and clothes, soda, candy, chips, cigarettes, booze, drugs, violent-lyric music, and the other temptations thrown at children and young adults who don't have a solid voice in their life calling them to reject these things over more lasting investments like books and nutritious food.
Until wealthy and influential people on the Left stop seeing peace and justice as a hobby and actually start creating and funding real jobs with benefits working for change, we're silly to expect much improvement.
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Posted by: hellofriends on Jul 19, 2007 7:50 AM
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one more thing: collected insects is a "hobby," stopping the war in iraq is not. i see your point, but this word belittles volunteer activism to the point of being insulting.
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Posted by: juanpecan81 on Jul 19, 2007 7:52 AM
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lets not forget that the student loan bank are FOR PROFIT companies! i think it everytime i see a goddamn salliemae envelope in my mailbox. id go piss on the building but im sure its in an office park behind tall iron fences. they have to hide behind their fences and gates b.c when people figure out their scam they get PISSED. wait till they start getting hungry...
its hard to resist, let alone change, a system you're already indentured to.
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when you find out youve been used
as a sacrifice for other people's gain.
And no matter what they say
its the same thing everyday
and noone seems concerned about your pain."
- lauryn hill "little boys"
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Posted by: ggg on Jul 19, 2007 8:23 AM
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SOLUTIONS:
1) Sponsor a direct action activist - pay for their airfare, gasfare, or art materials for a single action- in exchange for a personal, engaging reportback to your community. You can do this as an invidual, or organize a group of friends, or your church (etc.) to split the costs and make it easy.
2) Open your home - Rent is one of the biggest obstacles for high performance, low income organizers to do their work. Offer your house as a place for responsible, committed activists to stay for reduced rent - or for free - in return for their commitment to organize full time. (it makes for exciting dinner conversations!)
3) Direct funding - Bypass the big political machines and non-profits with professional staffs, DC offices, and huge overheads, and give donations directly to the myriad of amazing grassroots groups organizing within local communities, or who have courageously committed themselves to Direct Action of various kinds. Unlike the big organizations with massive internal budgets, these orgs spend nearly 100% of fundraising on supplies and events planning. While this does not fund activists themselves, you would be suprised that many of these critical local actions are usually self funded (by those already doing all the work, who have little money to spare) so paying for these costs not only increases the scale of the event dramatically, but it takes the burden off those at the front lines.
Let's help these people do what they do best - to the benefit of all of us!
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Posted by: felixcommi on Jul 19, 2007 9:03 AM
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What we need to do is understand that activism should be strongest in the workplace if we want to transform society into a better more democratic place. Become an admin. assistant, plumber, nurse, retail worker, etc....become anything in the working world and fight tooth and nail for workplace democracy by organizing collectively with your sisters, brothers, and others.
There is no shame in going into the trenches of a capitalist workplace and trying to transform it from within, take it over and run it by the workers for the workers (eat that Abe Lincoln)....
When we tell our friends who and what we are, it rarely goes liek this...hi my name is Susan and I'm a pisces...it usually goes"hi my name is Susan and I am a teacher"...our jobs are most often the centre of our identities and they are the centre of human life...that is where we must fight whether it is in a progressive organization or McDonalds...
The only catch is we all have to join the struggle to make it work...otherwise when your friend fights back without an army of labour behind her there will be no struggle, she'll get fired and the chill of subservience will creep through your spine...and all we will see is capitulation to the rich and mandatorily ruthless (but nice in person) capitalist class...
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Posted by: HughScott on Jul 19, 2007 10:22 AM
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Sadly to me four decades later, during the most dangerous war in American history created by the most dangerous U.S. president ever, college students appear more concerned about grade-point ratios than their less fortunate brethern being killed and wounded in Iraq.
Like Vietnam, Gulf War 2 is being fought mainly by kids from low-income families. So-called “volunteers,” they joined the military to escape poverty, only to lose their lives and limbs while sons of rich and middleclass Americans sit smugly at home watching the action on TV as less fortunate citizens their age are getting killed and wounded in Iraq, the whole time wishing to hell they’d never volunteered in the first place.
Democratic Congressman Charley Rangel, a decorated Korean War vet, wants the draft reinstated. I do too, if nothing more than to build the character in young Americans our nation so desperately needs. But mention forced induction to members of Congress and they throw up their hands in horror. God forbid their precious offspring having to endure boot camp much less combat.
And why should they serve? With 34 million Americans living in poverty under Bush economic policies favoring the wealthiest citizens plus 45 million families without medical insurance, there is plenty of GI cannon fodder to go around.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of the nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, which features 50 cartoons, photos and other Bushwhacking illustrations plus the only hardcopy proof of White House corruption ever found on the Internet.
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Posted by: axandrade on Jul 19, 2007 10:43 AM
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What happens if progressives succeed? Society in general benefits, the environment benefits, families would have healthcare and Iraqis wouldnt die as much. The problem is that none of these groups have enough money, nor the political awareness to support activism.
It's not a matter of leftists being cheap or poor, it's a matter of wise investing. George Soros does not expect to make a profit out of his contributions unlike conservative supporters.
Now I do see an alternative, perhaps put the emphasis on economically successful progressive businesses. Lend money to capitalize viable bookstores, restaurants, industry!, that have to prescribe to certain progressive guidelines 1. good benefits and a living wage 2. environmental conciousness and actions, etc. The additional costs would be offset by educating consumers to recognize a certificate of good practices and pay accordingly, and a smaller profit margin.
That would not necessarily be activism, but businesses like that are productive over the long run, and don't depend on begging for money interrupting family dinners. And could eventually fund activism itself.
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Posted by: hot karlrove on Jul 19, 2007 11:35 AM
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"You would think that considering 10,000+ college professors across America embrace Marxism/Communism"
"Tibetans were slaughtered and tortured under the sainted Mao Tse Tung, but since he was a leftist hero, it was reactionary to criticize the sainted Chinese Reds"
"There is however, for those few idealistic, unattached souls who want to do charity work for the Left, a pile of money available for leftwing causes."
"The fact is that the Left is cheap, not poor. "
"protecting open spaces from those liberals that would like to build condo's on them!
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I'm still laughing!!!!
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 19, 2007 12:03 PM
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It's worth reviewing what became of all those radical 60s-era anti-war protestors. Sure, a few stuck with it - but most happily transformed themselves from hippies to yuppies (easier to do if you were white, it's true, though I hear that a combination of hair straightening, skin bleaching and minor facial surgey results in a remarkable 'whiteface' facsimile).
Case in point is the "ultra-radical" Yippie founder, Jerry Rubin, who after getting a lot of media exposure as a prominent anti-war critic, then jumped into Wall Street business circles, where he became a 'successful entrepreneur' and invested in various 'alternative health care schemes'.
You know, it's easy to critique the pharmaceutical industry, but the so-called 'alternative health care' really isn't much better. They'll import cheap and pollution-laden herbs from China, use snake-oil approaches like promoting shark cartiledge as a cure for cancer, and just generally take advantage of sick people under the guise of 'hippie healthcare'. Their products are almost entirely unregulated, and just like the pharmaceutical industry, they spend far more on marketing than on research. In fact, they do almost NO research, but since they don't put their products through FDA kangaroo-court drug trials, they don't need to.
I for one am completely sick of and disgusted by aging baby boomers who constantly claim that 'younger generations don't have the activist spirit that we did'. No, younger generations look at you, by and large, as pathetic sellouts and hippie-crites. Here we are in another Vietnam War, and look who's managing it? The baby boomers, all grown up and absorbed into the system. What amazing hypocrisy!
Face it - you failed to change anything. The Vietnam war was doomed to failure in the long run, protests or not - thanks to the VC and the NVA and the general fact that people don't like to be invaded and occupied by foreign powers. Oil imports to the United States went up and up and up, and the entire renewable energy push of the post-oil shock era was shut down by Reagan and the oil corporations, with nary a word of protest from the yuppies who hopped on the Reagan greed train with ethusiasm.
What's going to happen to the aging baby boomers when they all reach retirement? Who's going to be paying for the Social Security payouts? Immigrant labor? Face it: your generation has screwed the pooch, bigtime. Well done.
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Posted by: felixcommi on Jul 19, 2007 12:14 PM
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Wealth (profits) in our society is derived from exploiting labour (whether nicely or not...its an objective reality of industrial relations) Thus, progressive organizations can offer great and absolutely necessary intellectual fodder, but they do not exist to produce wealth only to accept donated funds or receive money from the occasional t-shirts.
It is a constant struggle to stay afloat for most progressive organizations. Pro-Corporate Capitalist Conservative activist groups are actually capable of generating wealth because they work for; anti-worker, anti-environment, and anti-democracy trade deals; right to work (anti-union...see Democracy)legislation, anti-minimum wage efforts, etc....all things that eventually help their backers' bottom lines.
The struggles are different and you cannot compare the resources from those sympathetic to the left wing groups and right wing groups. Those who control half the worlds wealth could have a sock-hop in your local rec centre and not violate fire fegulations for over-crowding...there is a lot of money from very few people that can keep conservative groups afloat and it actually derives great benefits...
Whether it be labour, social, environmental, groups, etc. the struggle is always uphill and you rarely make enormous gains by winning favourable legislation, but rather small gains here and there and often just victories against clawbacks....
PS....Marx' Socialism is meant to be democratic and no groups have ever enacted a wide scale democratic socialist state....
But maybe i'm wrong...all you righty's seem to have a monopoly on Democracy. It's that simple concept of subservience by servant to master, where worker self-determination and collective-discretion in our daily affairs (i.e. the economy) is the grossest of all infractions ....
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 19, 2007 12:30 PM
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P.S.: I'd start off by firing Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, Rangel, Schumer, LIEberman, Nelson, etc ... from the Democratic Party. TOO MUCH betrayal there already.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jul 19, 2007 4:29 PM
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Someone asked "What have you done lately for Tibet?"
And as much as I love and respect the Dalai Lama, Buddhism, etc... how can we save Tibet when there are 10,000 homeless people sleeping in piss and shit in the streets of San Francisco (or any other US city inflicted with mass poverty)....tens of thousands of children who can't read or don't have food or shoes without holes...or parents who keep them safe.
Tibet? Darfur?
YES, we are world citizens and YES, saving Tibet is sexy but we can't even get ***our own country*** out of a war... Citizens of our own country are starving, homeless, illiterate, etc....
How can we save TIBET when we can't save the USA?
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take a bunch of winter clothes to the homeless shelter.
PLEASE CONTRIBUTE YOUR "TO DO" PROMISE...
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Market failures, critical infrastructure, and things which are required to continue/advance society should be removed from the market; health care and education are two prominent examples.
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