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Paul Hawken: How to Stop Our Political and Economic Systems From Stealing Our Future

By Terrence McNally, AlterNet. Posted June 26, 2007.


Paul Hawken, author of Blessed Unrest, discusses what he sees as the largest social movement in human history, and why that movement is so invisible to the media -- and itself.
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"It will be the stroke of midnight for the rest of our lives. It is too late for heroes. We need an accelerated intertwining of the over 1 million nonprofits and 100 million people who daily work for the preservation and restoration of life on earth. ...The language of sustainability is about ideas that never end: growth without inequality, wealth without plunder, work without exploitation, a future without fear. A green movement fails unless there's a black-, brown-, and copper-colored movement, and that can only exist if the movement to change the world touches the needs and suffering of every single person on earth." --Worldchanging.org 12/26/06

Paul Hawken has spent over a decade researching organizations dedicated to restoring the environment and fostering social justice. From multimillion-dollar nonprofits to single-person dot.causes, these groups collectively comprise a movement that has no name, no leader, no location, and that has gone largely ignored by politicians and the media. Like nature itself, it is organizing from the bottom up. Hawken's new book, Blessed Unrest: How the Largest Movement in the World Came into Being and Why No One Saw It Coming, explores the diversity of the movement, its ideas, strategies and hidden history.

Hawken is an environmentalist, entrepreneur, journalist and author. He has been involved in the startup of several businesses, including Erewhon natural foods and Smith & Hawken, the garden and catalog retailer. His six books have been published in more than 50 countries and have sold more than 2 million copies. They include Growing a Business (also a PBS series), The Ecology of Commerce, Natural Capitalism and Blessed Unrest.

Terrence McNally: I've heard you tell a story about how you first awakened to the environment in your early years ...

Paul Hawken: I'm a fourth-generation Californian, so, like any family, there are stories, narratives and memories that are passed on. My childhood was one of growing up and seeing places transformed by industrialization. The best orchard lands in the world were in Santa Clara Valley. My great grandfather used to grow apricots in Cupertino where Apple Computer is today. I remember going down El Camino Real and seeing farm stands and cows and meadows, and people selling fresh eggs and things like that. Now it's all condos and used car lots. So I have in my history this visual and visceral sense of development gone mad and taking over lands that were exquisite. I've seen rivers go, I've seen streams go, I've seen forests go. I've seen the land disappear under development and population growth.

TMN: You did Growing a Business about entrepreneurism, then Ecology of Commerce challenges business to be a solution to environmental ills. In Natural Capitalism, you expressed hope in technology. Now, in Blessed Unrest, you turn to the people. Can you trace the evolution of where you've placed your faith or hope over the years?

PH: I grew up in Berkeley, California, in a culture where business was the last thing you would pursue. In my family the idea of going into the trades was really déclassé. You just didn't do it, you went into academia or something like that.

So for me to start a natural food company in 1967 was unusual, and at first I thought it should be a co-op or something other than a corporation. But finally I made it a corporation because that gave us the most freedom to do what we wanted to do. It's sort of emblematic of this whole culture that corporations have so much freedom.

Growing a Business wasn't about just growing your business, it was a metaphor for growing yourself. It wasn't about growing to be big in size, but about evolution and development. I wrote that you should do the business that is a complete and clear expression of what you want to be and do in the world, that money would necessarily follow. If you led with the urge for money, however, you would fail.

I attempted at my company to be a good citizen, to be green, to be socially just. I think we innovated and did a tremendous amount of good work, and we were well recognized and awarded for that.


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The proliferation of the third sector in fact is the height of neo-con economics
Posted by: Bobsays on Jun 26, 2007 1:20 AM   
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This author sees a movement, I see fracturing of human effort on a grand scale, and not a movement but in fact the logical conclusion of a society of individuals pursuing the 'me' agenda. If you analyse the dynamics of third sector organisations, you find all of them are actually ego-organisations. They form around a few charismatic individuals, these individuals fundraise and fill out government and corporate grant aid forms in order to live 'their' dream. More and more, we have seen their pay scales shoot up and these organisations, rather than work themselves out of a job, are actually building empires to ensure they carry on for a long time.

The dynamics of this phenomenon mean that there will never be unity of action or purpose: why cooperate with other organisations who are your competitor for money and prestige?

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» mooooo Posted by: ScottP
» RE: mooooo Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: mooooo Posted by: ScottP
Trying to ecologize commerce is like trying to bunny a wolf
Posted by: Rune on Jun 26, 2007 2:18 AM   
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Anyone who thinks they can do either probably hasn't stopped telling stories long enough to appreciate the fundamentally opposing nature of the subjects they imagine to be alike.

And, what have we now? "Intertwingling" did you say? Well, I'll be as twitterpated as a March hare if that GMO (Gramatically Mutilated Oration) is worth a hill of precomposted bunny bung!

Seems the all hat and no cattle crowd has got some New Age competition. . . . And, no, competition is not always the best way to tame the savage beast of business for the benefit of society.

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Nope.
Posted by: justaguy on Jun 26, 2007 2:35 AM   
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Witness the "progressive" movements. All talk, but they cringe when it comes to action and want compromise and consensus with the neoliberals and warmongers. They wouldn't get behind an antiwar candidate because that wouldn't be centrist, sweetie, or he might be too short to be elected, you've just got to be realistic, darling.

Blair"s Nu-Labour is a case in point. High sounding flummery while they furthered the Thatcher/Reagan/Bush/Freidmann agenda.

There is no hope.

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vampire scum
Posted by: grim ripper on Jun 26, 2007 4:00 AM   
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Vampire scum fill the land
Feeding on everything they can
Sucking, fucking, breeding horde
Feed and breed in the name of the "lord"

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» RE: vampire scum Posted by: Shey
Ahab versus the Sun
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jun 26, 2007 5:28 AM   
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Cheney and Bush have been pretty upfront and in our face about seizing greater and greater powers for themselves, but you have to wonder, considering their demonstrated obsession for secrecy from the get-go, whether they have prepared secret directives they can use to shield them from justice, and prison. Of course, all the powers that be will fight to the last plutocrat, to defend their “way of life.”

Bush’s Rightwing Cabal has been extremely proficient at covering their ass in the past, so expect some surprises. Like: “Say hello to my little friend.”

Are you confident that you understand where Cheney and Bush’s powers end, and where your rights begin? Using all the power at their command, the Monopoly Media, the courts, the congress, every agency of state and federal government, police, the military and now National Guard, they have consolidated and exponentially increased their power beyond anything we have ever known in the past.

We’re not talking David and Goliath this time, we’re more in an Ahab versus the Sun situation. Ahab declared he would strike the Sun if it offended him. Do you agree with that sentiment?

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» RE: Ahab versus the Sun Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Ahab versus the Sun Posted by: Scott
» RE: Ahab versus the Sun Posted by: willymack
Crest advertisements
Posted by: pb120669 on Jun 26, 2007 6:23 AM   
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I don't look at ads a lot so maybe I've missed them in the past -- but when did Crest toothpaste ads start appearing on my beloved AlterNet site?

Down the gutter we go...

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What I’ve learned as a twenty-first century American
Posted by: LMNOP on Jun 26, 2007 6:45 AM   
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What I’ve learned as a twenty-first century American:

[1] In affluent societies, maybe even in all societies, people are basically thieves and liars when they can be, even when they don’t need to be.

[2] The American people are particularly deformed: more arrogant, selfish and willfully ignorant than most. They are really unlikable now, and I find it impossible to like or care about them any more.

[3] The earth and all that it contains is in grave danger from industrialized society, especially America. Nothing is going to stop America from doing significant damage to the world except its own implosion. One can only hope that that comes sooner rather than later.

[4] Capitalism, although probably better than the alternatives, is still a very ugly thing.

[5] “Western” religions, especially Christianity, are a pestilence.

[6] Democracy, although probably better than the alternatives, is a fragile and unstable state. Like freedom, equality and justice, it is a myth in America.

[7] There is nothing out there to believe in. No gods. No men. No “ism”s.

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» Christianity is not "western" Posted by: redceres
Ladmeaux
Posted by: ladmeaux on Jun 26, 2007 8:07 AM   
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But where does the NGO and NPO money really go? I have spent a lot of time in Nepal, and there are plenty of NGOs and NPOs there, and plenty of local anger at their squandering of money. No matter where in the country these organizations do their work, many of them seem to require headquarters not just in Kathmandu, but in the most fashionable area for foreigners, where real estate prices are the highest. Visiting workers always stay at the priciest, most desireable "Western" hotels, and when they buy vehicles, nothing but a Landrover or Landcruiser will do, which are really expensive over there. Then the staff gets good, Western scale pay, while the Nepalese staff gets a fraction of it. Then, whatever is left over, finally gets funneled toward their project - education in Rolpo, medical clinics in Sol Khumbu, whatever. They also pay top dollar for language classes in Nepal, and then there is the issue of faith. Many NPOs carry a heavy Christian agenda, and use Christ as the stick behind the carrot of food, education and medicine.

So, inevitably, most Nepalese view NPOs and NGOs with some great deal of concern, and often downright hostility. They do act with a great deal of self-importance in an almost, dare I say, colonial manner. It can be a kind of humanitarian colonialism, Western-style, and often does more to assuage Western guilt and make jobs for Westerners abroad, and build careers in foreign aid. Just how much aid it offers often is debatable. There needs to be higher levels of accountability for such organizations, and more economic means of implementation. If you want to do aid work in rural Nepal, does your organization really need a 150 lakh house in Lalitpur, Land Rovers, and put up staff at the Himalaya Hotel?

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» RE: Ladmeaux Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Ladmeaux Posted by: eddie torres
» RE: Lemieux Posted by: Shey
which planet you on?
Posted by: wleming on Jun 26, 2007 9:00 AM   
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"I'm not for capitalism and I'm not against capitalism." Oh come on.... stop playing eco games.
The ngo's, green movements,
and community arts organisations are engaged in a daily battle with a corporate media that attempts to destroy them. The gentleman proclaims his "honest businessman tendencies" while he defends a rapacious capitalist system bent on deep sixing democracy where it can and nullifying it where it cannot. He passes himself off as an analyst who wants to solve a problem that "poverty" poses.
The corporate media and its advertisers spend billions a year to marginalise, dis-organise, and destroy attempts at community and democracy: look at Fox non news. A cursory look at Ad Busters (tho they can't say that) would reveal that billions are spent destroying community and anit capitalist alternatives.

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» RE: which planet you on? Posted by: Shey
warm and fuzzy
Posted by: antiapathy on Jun 26, 2007 9:23 AM   
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NGOs and NFPs make people feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but they have little to no impact in the real world. Corporations are based on the idea of maximizing profit for investors at the expense of workers, consumers, and the environment. As long as the majority of people choose to work for corporations and purchase products from them, they will continue to get screwed, along with the Earth.

There are plenty of alternatives out there, such as employee-owned businesses, co-ops, and farmer's markets. If you want to save the earth, stop buying so much plastic crap from China. Invest in some quality products from a locally-owned shop. And stop investing in the stock market, that only encourages them.

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What Hawken is Seeing
Posted by: StuartH on Jun 26, 2007 9:52 AM   
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I think Hawken is right. He is, because of his status as a lecturer who visits a lot of places, in a position to make some observations those who don't travel as much might not be able to.

Grassroots organizations spring up because needs are not being addressed by whatever is more established. Yes, there are a lot of things that one can point to that are deficient in some way about grassroots efforts.

But the whole problem that is being addressed is taking responsibility for action at the small scale, instead of waiting for it at the macroeconomic level. There are plenty of examples of local efforts that are working and making some headway.

The media generally ignores this. For one thing, media organizations are peopled by those who, sociologically, are unprepared to appreciate the work of small grassroots organizations. You might see a feature story on someone who has a collection filling a house full of stuffed rabbits, but you will probably not see a feature on someone who is trying to finance low income housing one or two houses at a time.

Paul Hawken is one of the few who is doing the work that journalists ought to be doing, trying to discern the trends at work that might offer some hope in the face of all that is going wrong.

I think if you look at the big picture, the Bush administration is going to turn out to be a mere blip on history's radar and that it's real legacy, ironically, might be to goad a more progressive trend into being. This country has a lot of incredibly smart, energetic, and progressive people. Before Bush, we were probably in a comparatively complacent place
and not activated.

The antidote to excessive centralization under the corporate model is a decentralized way forward. We have seen in the past, progressive leaders such as Martin Luther King gunned down, so another thing happening is a massive rising of leadership in a less visible way.

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"May you live in interesting times"
Posted by: willymack on Jun 26, 2007 11:14 AM   
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Find anything interesting to think about lately? How about this: our "civilization", such as it is is UNSUSTAINABLE. We're seeing the beginning of the end. Don't agree with me? If not, may a distraught wino puke on your new blue suede shoes.

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Wiser Earth Link Correction
Posted by: nelsestu on Jun 26, 2007 12:20 PM   
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The website for Wiser Earth.org on page four of this article incorrectly takes you to a WiseEarth.org. The corrected link is below:

http://www.wiserearth.org/

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question for Dr. Segall
Posted by: grim ripper on Jun 26, 2007 4:01 PM   
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Dr Segall, you are the most deliciously bleak poster here on alternet and I always scan articles for your comments, along with MAD, eddie torres, Knowmad, and thoughtcriminal...

My question for you is: I know you live in some non-us country, which I would venture to guess is Argentina. How do you respond to the argument that, clearly being one of the minority who "gets it", you have deserted your country out of cowardice and you should have stayed to fight?

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It is better to light one small candle...
Posted by: TerryS on Jun 27, 2007 12:24 AM   
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These comments lend support for the idea that
those who do the least, criticize the most.

"It is better to light one small candle than
to curse the darkness." - Confucius

"It is a general popular error to suppose the
loudest complainers for the public to be the
most anxious for its welfare." - Edmund Burke

"Say and do something positive that will help
the situation; it doesn't take any brains to
complain." - Robert A. Cook

"To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing,
be nothing." - Elbert Hubbard

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» Hawken is a shining beacon Posted by: sliver
WE THE PEOPLE MUST STOP FOLLOWING THIS CORRUPT CABAL OF CORRUPTION IN THIS ADMINISTRATION
Posted by: wmGreybeard on Jun 27, 2007 10:48 AM   
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Thank you TerryS.. I was tired of all the bickering.

PH: The major source of corruption in the world is business -- that's clear -- and corruption is a major source of poverty in this world. Corruption destroys the rights of people and the ability of people to make their voices heard, and to secure what they deserve as citizens in any type of geographical entity.

Deregulation of almost everything in the eighties let businesses do anything to maximize profits. Now big business and the super wealthy own our government.
We the grassroots must take it back.

TMN: Respecting and serving the commons, the common good, and the common people, that's what we're talking about isn't it?

PH: Absolutely, and it's taken us a while. We grew up in a culture that is basically analytic and Cartesian. We've addressed things piecemeal, and the results show it. We are just starting to become more synthetic; in other words, synthesizing and working together and collaborating.

WE AS CITIZENS MUST GO TO SEE OUR CONGRESSMEN IN WASHINGTON TO DEMAND IMPEACHMENT OF THIS ILLEGAL PAIR OF CROOKS.

AFTER THE DEMANDS , LET US ALL DEMONSTRATE AT OUR WHITE HOUSE AND CAPITAL. AND BE WILLING TO FILL THEIR JAILS IF NECESSARY!!!!

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» RE:YOU JEST SURELY Posted by: SJ
CORPORATE CRIME STATE
Posted by: Hal on Jun 27, 2007 4:45 PM   
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Hawkins concern appears to be real, honorable and vastly misplaced. In point of fact, there is so much wrong with Hawkin’s basic thesis, it’s as big a mess as the issue it pretends to confront.

Examples…

“The intention of this movement is to disperse the pathological concentrations of power.”

This is denial and self-deception. “this movement” only pretends “to disperse the pathological concentrations of power” . For the most part, what it actually does is spread confusion and red herring babble about the core cancer that happens to rig the west and its self-serve outposts.

“The major source of corruption in the world is business -- that's clear -- and corruption is a major source of poverty in this world. Corruption destroys the rights of people and the ability of people to make their voices heard…”

Clearly Wrong. VERY wrong as to “the major source of corruption” .

“The major source of corruption in the world” is an organized cartel corporate crime system that has officially run the west for the last hundred years (unofficially rigging has gone on even longer). The military industrial complex, Big Oil, Big MSM, Big Pharma, et al, only take their cue from corruption at the system’s center. Ditto for smaller Fortune 500 corporations down to a host of local LLCs.

NOTE: de facto monopoly fascist rule destroys real capitalism and democracy and always has. This is covered in Aaron Russo’s Freedom to Fascism .

One more time – the system is ruled thru 3 major chokepoints:

1] Private and unconstitutional control of the economy via a (“Federal Reserve” Corp ) that was never federal and has no reserves (private control that has the nation’s stooge political organs virtually owned by monopolist oligarchs). Ditto for global crony orgs in the Bank for International Settlements, World Bank and IMF.

2] Private control and rigging of “education”

3] Private monopoly rigging of the mainstream media with its “leftwing” press chapter.

Of course there are other chokepoints including an out-of-control CIA-NSA-MI6 and Military establishment. However, the 3 above are by far the most important and dictate corrupt systemic ownership that is a de facto CORPORATE MONOPOLY STATE (a.k.a. CARTEL PSYOP STATE, a.k.a. CORPORATE CRIME STATE).

People like Mike Gravel (D) and Ron Paul (R) have called for sweeping reforms along the lines suggested. Predictably, both are being shut down by a carny MSM and an equally fixed cesspit @ Washington.

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cynicism...
Posted by: Virg on Jun 27, 2007 6:18 PM   
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...is an attitude that won't get you anywhere. its actually very punishing to read the comments people post here at alternet. some NGO's and NPO's actually do great work. some are bad of course, and most are very disorganized, but wiser earth is attempting to do something about it while everyone else sits here and criticizes organizations they know nothing about, nor have tried to. dayamn.

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» Realism... Posted by: Hal
Brilliant Interview
Posted by: Shey on Jun 30, 2007 7:35 PM   
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As I've posted in response to a couple of comments, I'm usually at the top of the cynics list. Although I continue to do what I can for the causes I believe in, because cynicism aside, there is one absolute truth about the human condition, and that is, if no one does anything to try and change things, nothing will ever change.

As for the question "has the greed and corruption and social inequity that rules the world become so entrenched that there is no hope of affecting meaningful change?", that's a more dicey question.
I don't want to join the out of hand naysayers, because I haven't read any of Paul Hawkins' books. And I'm betting that neither have any of said "naysayers".
But as a native Californian who spent almost half my life in the L.A. area before relocating to rural Hawaii, I too
"remember going down El Camino Real and seeing farm stands and cows and meadows, and people selling fresh eggs. Now it's all condos and used car lots. So I have in my history this visual and visceral sense of development gone mad and taking over lands that were exquisite. I've seen rivers go, I've seen streams go, I've seen forests go. I've seen the land disappear under development and population growth."

So my question is this: How many people who actually read this interview all the way through, realize that the key short phrase here is population growth?
Over-population is the root of all the evils condemned by Mr. Hawken, in this interview. And indeed, by progressives in general. And please spare me the "you can't stop people from having babies". As a matter of fact, you can do exactly that.
By getting rid of one of the Bush administration's linchpin issues, i.e. undoing all the progress we'd made regarding women's control over our own bodies, and the control of both women and men of the reproductive function.
This is how:

First, get rid of the absurd "abstinence only" so-called sex education in our schools. Start teaching young people about the availability of reliable contraception as a way to combat not only sexually transmitted disease but unintended pregnancy as well. And while you're at it, educate them about over-population as the root of most problems related to both environmental degradation/destruction and world wide poverty. Which are, as Mr. Hawken pointed out, inextricably related issues.

Next, remove the Bush instituted restrictions on any mention of abortion, and condoms for birth control as well as for protection from AIDS, as a prerequisite to the U.S. contributing funding to anti-poverty programs in impoverished countries.

There is so much more that can be done to educate people to the fact that over-population is destroying the earth and all it's resources, as well as being one of the number one factors in global poverty. And now, the poverty in America, as well. Recognition of over-population as a cornerstone issue is crucial, if we are to have any chance at all of affecting the "coming together of like-minded progressive causes" for which Mr. Hawking is apparently advocating.

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Paul Hawken vs. Rampant Nihilism
Posted by: Rrrandy Wurst on Jul 5, 2007 8:16 PM   
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Amazing the nearly unrelenting stream of negativity from the left regarding Paul Hawken's commentary on the massive scope of left-standing organizations. I get the sense that you folks are so disgusted, disenchanted, and dispossessed that you do nothing to make things better, just bitch and moan.
Actually, Hawken says little of a prescriptive nature, just (and I mean simply rather than merely) points out a very important fact, that our loose, disjointed social movement is vast, and that if we could bring it together by solving the ego/ownership problem, we could be more powerful than the powers that destroy. Of course, that ego/ownership thing, "there's the rub."
Then again, what does a pig know?
(Rrrandy Wurst of wurstwisdom.com)

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