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Why Don’t Affluent Baby Boomers Give More Money Away?
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We ask this question not to guilt-trip, as Boomer slang would put it, but because solving some urgent social problems hangs on the answer.
People between 51 and 64 donate less than three-fourths of one percent of their investment assets, on average -- significantly less than those either younger or older than them, according to New Tithing's analysis of 2003 IRS data.
These numbers gall us because we're Baby Boomers ourselves. We'd like to believe that as a generation, we are living up to our '60s ideals. How could we lag behind both the Gen-Xers and the WWII "Greatest Generation"?
But there's another reason to care besides petty generational rivalries. The popular perception of Baby Boomers as more socially active than other Americans is rooted in fact. According to the Pew Research Center, we volunteer more, join community groups more, and vote Democratic far more often than other age groups. So if we donate less money, it's mostly our own liberal and progressive causes that experience the shortfall.
According to the United Nations, it would take $50 billion more a year to provide everyone on earth with healthcare, nutrition, clean water, education and a clean environment. Baby Boomers with incomes between $200,000 and $1 million a year could donate that amount by giving just two percent more of their investment assets. Just two percent: We're not talking about simple living here!
When the Baby Boomer generation passes from this earth, what will our legacy be? Will we leave a world poisoned, hungry and war-torn? Or will we put the unprecedented wealth of our generation towards solving those crises before we die?
We know which answer we want. That's why we launched the Bolder Giving Initiative. It starts with two assumptions about what people need in order to give more boldly, drawn from our own experience with wealth and our 20 years working with donors.
First, people need inspiration. We are all affected by what's normal around us, and what's normal is to give 2 percent to 3 percent of income -- or at most, to "tithe" 10 percent. To inspire greater giving, we have gathered stories from more than 85 people who have busted the lid off this norm. We call them "The 50% League" because they have each donated half or more of their income or business profits for at least three years or half of their assets.
What motivated the 50% League members to give so much? Many wanted greater impact on a cause they were passionate about. As Carol Newell explains, "I wanted my $25 million inheritance to have as much impact as possible towards a more just and sustainable economy in the region I love, British Columbia."
And we found more super-generous Baby Boomers:
Marji Greenhut thought globally and acted locally: She applied the Jewish value of tzedakah to donations that shifted her native Maine away from a sweatshop economy and towards a local organic economy.
Lawyer Brad Seligman poured the proceeds from selling his law partnership into a nonprofit that supports class-action suits such as the historic Wal-Mart sex discrimination case.
Are you thinking, "I wish I could do what they've done, but I'm not rich"? You might be inspired, then, by Richard Semmler, a community college professor who donates over half his pay to Habitat for Humanity and scholarships. You don't have to be rich to be a bolder giver.
Our second assumption: to give more boldly, most people need individual support. They need help to think through how much to leave their children, how much of their money is truly discretionary and what difference they want to make. The good news is that the web has tremendous educational resources for givers that didn't exist a generation ago.
Giving 50 percent may be way out of reach, but many of us could, without hardship, double our giving -- for instance, from 5 percent to 10 percent of our income, or from 1 percent to 2 percent of our assets.
Imagine for a moment that a new wave of generosity spreads among progressive Baby Boomers and we start giving at our true potential, whether that is 5 percent or 95 percent. We could turn the future around if we applied our full resources -- money, talent and love.
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Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Jun 21, 2007 12:18 AM
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Of course, everyone should give more, but many of those needing those charitable services are also boomers. Contrary to media impressions, boomers are not just white, not just professional or middle class.
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» And by contrast ... you are doing -- what ?
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» RE: And by contrast ... you are doing -- what ?
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» Or....
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» Giving to family isn't charitable work
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» There is no human action...
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Posted by: ateo on Jun 21, 2007 2:09 AM
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You're the ones who sent us to Iraq.
You're the ones keeping us in Iraq.
You're the ones who formulated our aggressive foreign policy stance.
You're the ones keeping health care from being publicly funded.
You're the ones quick to complain but just as quick to hide your wallets.
You're the ones who enjoyed all the wealth that generations of Americans handed to you then declined to leave the country a better place than you found it.
So really, is this a shock? You hippies tried to fight the system and the system beat you into submission. Not just submission but adulation for your oppressors. Now you emulate them but your actions are tempered by neither wisdom nor compassion.
I guess we'll see how the "slackers" from my generation do when we get our turn at the wheel. Sadly your mean spirited yuppy spawn are here by the millions following in your foot steps seeking food, sex, entertainment and a bigger shinier car than their neighbor with no regard for anyone who gets in their way.
So to conclude: America is screwed.
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» no..boomers are war babies, born between 1940-50...thats it
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» RE: no..boomers are war babies, born between 1940-50...thats it
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» Damn! You are one jaded dude!
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» Gross Generalizations
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» America is screwed because its mantra is: "YOU'RE the ones! YOU. And YOU. And YOUUUUUU"
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Posted by: EagleMB on Jun 21, 2007 2:12 AM
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This number seems ridiculously low. Does anyone have a cite to support it?
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» I agree, considering that over half the population of the....
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 21, 2007 3:04 AM
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Simple answer. They don’t have enough cash left after buying new Hummers, million-dollar homes, vacation cruises, designer clothes, stocks and bonds, gourmet food, fine wine and all the other things they think makes them happy.
I’m not judging affluent Boomers, however. Just the opposite, I feel sorry for them.
Why? If you don’t know, you would never understand my answer, much less agree with it.
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» I'm not sure the "simple answer" cuts it, at least not for all of us.....
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» RE: Simple answer from an oldtimer born in 1935.
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» By AFFLUENT, I meant material things. Clearly, Ruffy, you achieved wealth in more important areas.
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» Happiness is Vietnam and Iraq
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» By their nature, ScottP, analogies aren't precise. I stand by my mine.
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» RE: Simpler answer from nearly an oldtimer born in 1954.
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» I think you missed the point, Idunno. This thread is about charity, not corruption.
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» RE: I think you missed the point, Idunno. This thread is about charity, not corruption.
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» On second thought, Idunno, you're right. Since the subject concerned AFFLUENT Boomers, there...
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» I KNEW everyone had those but me! They've managed to hide all of it! Hummer behind the hay!
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Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jun 21, 2007 3:27 AM
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» And that has WHAT to do with this articel?
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» Maybe whites are the ONLY selfish people in the universe? Hmmmm?
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» Ever see "Cribs" on MTV? When's the last time you ridiculed all that bling, anyway?
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» Oh, and I forgot: HMMMMM?
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» Don't you be racist, Beck. If "boomers" includes blacks, "rap" includes whites. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 21, 2007 3:50 AM
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Another idea would be to have a bunch of investment management seminars and donate the proceeds to charity. Boomers are drawn to those things like flies to cow pies.
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» How about orgies to end poverty in Africa?
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» Actually, we're just drawn to cow pies.
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» Beck, you are sick! Napalming villages is NOT FUNNY.
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» No, Beth, dropping cow pies on non-white villages is NOT funny.
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» RE: The last time I exposed your hypocrisy I predicted you's clam up for a while. :-)
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jun 21, 2007 4:00 AM
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While the world around them goes to pot as a result of many of their habits and decisions, they are getting set to retreat into decadence. Last days of Rome or what?
Statistics have long skewed against the great myths of this generation. They believe they are the most politically active and aware generation; in fact statistics found youth in the 1980s attended more demonstrations and committed more time to political activities. They believe they are generous, but as we can see, they aren't. They believe they have done nothing but bring peace and love to the world; but in fact their selfishness in foreign policy best exemplified by Bill Clinton, let the world fester into all the conflict we see today.
No, boomers and really just bust. I don't expect much from them and while they oversee the biggest looting of wealth from the young to the old (student debt, housing debt etc.) I am set to do everything possible to make their last years miserable.
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» I can't resist asking.....
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» the "ME" generation doesn't give back. the "Hippie" generation doesn't give back. Any surprise?
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» Geez, I've missed out. Me and every boomer I know.
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Posted by: igoeja on Jun 21, 2007 4:04 AM
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On a more concrete level, baby-boomers are likely concerned about their mortality, and unlike younger people, are looking down the barrel of retirement and fear of an impoverished life. Many are trying to squirrel away money to compensate for their lack of saving in prior years. By the way, I'm 47...
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» I agree: most charities are a waste of time and actually perpetuate poverty and inequality
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» I don't think all charities are the same.....
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» And come to think of it, while I'm at it.....
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» mjabele" WHAT A GREAT SERVICE. GOD I KNOW HAS BLESSED YOU FOR YOUR "SACRIFICE." N/M
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» Bobsays: WHAT ABSOLUTE POPPYCOCK AND RATIONALIZATION . YOU GIVE A BAD NAME TO BUSINESSMEN. N/M
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» RE: Is Giving Good?
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» cbrislain: WERE YOU THE ROLE MODEL FOR CHARLES DICKENS'S "SCROOGE?" YOU ARE A SICKO. N/M
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» igoeja: SO THE LESS YOU GIVE TO CHARITIES, THE BETTER PERSON YOU ARE? GOD WILL
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» Excuse me, I happen to be God, and I don't remember that at all.
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» Pat Kittle: THEN I WILL REMIND YOU WHAT YOU PROMISED TO PEOPLE WHO,,
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» Pat Kittle: THEN I WILL REMIND YOU WHAT YOU PROMISED TO PEOPLE WHO,,
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» I actually said, "Thou shalt not overbreed" but centuries of bible translators left that out.
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» Pat Kittle: WLECOME TO THE MATTHEW 7:6 CLUB. FORK IS THE PRESIDENT. n/m
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» Avoideth the numeral "6" altogether -- if thine key sticks, thou shalt dwell with the damned.
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» PAT KITTLE; Ya can't be too careful these days. Exactly right that is why Matthew 7:6 is so ...
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» "Respectful??" You think we deserve infinite torture (hell) if we don't submit to your deity!
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» "Respectful??" You think we deserve infinite torture (hell) if we don't submit to your deity! NO .
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» Of course, all religions are wrong, except yours (which requires "Caps Lock")!
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» And what does your deity plan to do to me, if I don't pass his audition? :-)
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» Thanks for fantasizing a less horrible fate for one who doesn't need your fantasy.
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» pAT: God blesses with great abundance all those who follow Hid commandmdnts. So...
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» The most superstititious are the most selfish overbreeders.
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» igoeja: THERE ARE INDEPENDENT AGENCIES THAT RANK THE QUALITY OF CHARITIES BY...
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» a good point, but--
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Posted by: Rod on Jun 21, 2007 5:53 AM
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When I make a contribution it is usually $25 to $50. Then I get a flood of more requests for contributions, sometimes more than 1 a month. They waste my entire contribution on asking for more money. Then I get more mail from others they sell my name to. In the end, my contribution has a negative gain. And all that paper to recycle! Not the way I want to have them spend my money.
If someone would have a checkbox, for only ask me once a year and do not sell my name, I would contribute again. ANYONE?
Until then, I stuff a few hundred dollars into the salvation army kettle and that is about all. At leat that way they do not know who I am to waste all my money sending me junk mail, and I think they spend it wisely.
Thanks.
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» ROD: TRY THIS LINK . IT WILL HELP YOU CHOOSE THE CHARITIES ...
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Posted by: Francis on Jun 21, 2007 6:06 AM
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Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah on Jun 21, 2007 6:41 AM
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Also, note empirical proof that conservative America overwhelmingly gives more to charity than hypocrit leftists.
In addition, evangelical conservatives are the most generous.
Note that the majority of troops serving in Iraq are conservative -- they are sacrificing blood to support their nation and ideological beliefs.
if conservative soldiers and marines can give blood to support their cause, WHY CANT LIBS GIVE A LITTLE CASH FOR THEIR'S?
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» Empirical proof?
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» Not exactly rock-solid...
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» Caught you speeding, Jak. I checked the "emperical proof" link. Just what I thought. There was...
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» RE: Why don't hypocrit leftists give more money to charity?
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» Ouch!!! - thanks, Beck.....
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» You are welcome
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Posted by: ilene on Jun 21, 2007 7:47 AM
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"Could Be That" has an important point. If it's going to cost $7000.00 a month for my mother to be in skilled nursing facility and she has no income, am I going to be able to give any percent of my income to causes when I make about $3600.00 a month. Let's do the math!
I am a boomer, but I sure don't make 200K to a million a year and I'm sure many other boomers are in the same position!
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» RE: don't lump us all in together: Social Security
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Posted by: olderworker on Jun 21, 2007 8:12 AM
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I do donate used clothing and other items to charity, though.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Jun 21, 2007 8:24 AM
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By the same token, they are coming up fast on their own retirement, at a time when Social Security is considered very shaky. That is mostly Republican propaganda, but it is something we all worry about. And in many cases, our own kids are getting a shaky start in a rough economy, so we can't really count on them. It's our last chance to save for our own old age.
That's enough excuses: there's another factor. We weren't all hippies, or liberal. Many of those who WERE hippies still are, and barely making it financially. (I know quite a few of those.). Both the neocons and the present chief greedheads come from the same age-group, and they were always there. By and large, they're the ones with the huge incomes, because that's what was important to them. More than most generations? I don't know, but someone's litany of the traumas we faced in formative years is revealing. Among other things, those conditions bred both despair and cynicism. (In my case, I think it was the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was a senior in high school, and we were genuinely terrified. Then the assassinations started. If we don't trust the System, that's why. I shudder to think what present high-school kids will turn out like.)
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» Just have to reach a little farther back.
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Posted by: JPHickey on Jun 21, 2007 8:25 AM
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Volunteerism and charity fit into organizational structures defined by conventional thinking. Participating in them or financially supporting them entails accepting the “go along to get along” approach to helping the needy. The deprivation of basic needs and rights is systemic, so “helping” with the symptoms has little or no impact on changing things so that the cycle of suffering is broken.
Yes, many do get that feel good charge by knowing that they’ve helped some needy illegal alien or other individual who could benefit from the boost of a helping hand. However, personally I support an activist approach that concentrates my efforts on changing the system. Isn’t that sort of vision and idealism that motivated the baby boomers during the era of consciousness raising? Beyond the hedonism of drugs, sex, and rock & roll, existed vision and activism to change our society for the better!
Some of my friends volunteer at the food bank, and I clean up useful things and take them to the Salvation Army, myself. But I am more interested in changing the law to make it easier for workers to form and join unions. Otherwise the commoditization an diminishment of the human producers of business will be forced to seek more and more charity just to get by, all the while, the wealth is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a small, elite group.
If and when fortune smiles upon me financially, I fully intend to step outside this box to fund and administer my own version of an empowering organization. In other words, unlike the callous, plastic, serpent-hearted charity of Bill Gates and his ilk, I prefer to do something more like the McArthur program except far more outrageous. I plan to run contests with motivating prize money that are open to either high school, college, or everyone.
The topics could include asking for ways to release creativity, facilitate conservation, or even raise social consciousness. I want to direct people’s attention to social change to release cultural creativity and empower new pathways to living fulfilling and harmonious lives while leaving a much lighter footprint on the planet!
At times when I’ve been richer, I found just about everybody I knew sniffed out my financially advantaged situation, and started hitting me up relentlessly. To avoid this, I now realize I must incorporate a non-profit organization to keep my personal name in the background.
Anyway, it’s still not too late for Baby Boomers to raise their consciousness and leave the lives of materialism and fear behind, in order to empower a new renaissance of higher human potential. See the New York Times article on mindfulness in schools as a step in the right direction. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/us/16mindful.html?
The positive process of creative and enlightening change is going on as we speak, but just think of how much faster it could be going if a few million more Baby Boomers let go of their clouded versions of life to regain their creative and spiritual roots! Contact me at: phickey@(at)eSedona.net Remove the (at) to activate the e-mail address, please.
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Posted by: Mike's Perspective on Jun 21, 2007 9:23 AM
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» Never trust a hippy, and never, ever trust a yuppie
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» I kick hippies!
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Posted by: Techubus on Jun 21, 2007 11:45 AM
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As the Charity Department at the Treasury
Dispenses licenses so you can do one too
The Ethiopians are running out of weaponry
So their leaders stock it up instead of food
And charity begins at home
So get out on the streets
And help the refugees
And the manager of E.M.I. technology
Seems reluctant to discuss his business deals
Cos the weapon sales are paying for his meals
He'll go to withering heights
To keep it out of sight
Profit! Weaponry doesn't feed refugees
It's a hit! McCartney's saying please on T.V.'s royalties to feed the world with guns
Wembley Stadium forever on the video
And a million spent to raise that sixty more
Nothing ever quite as big as this before
And it broke our hearts
As it topped the charts
But when the overkill exploited the reality
We forgot the facts and revelled in the noise
We didn't see that while we had the voice
Companies and laws were pulling vocal chords
If the western world was less obsessed with property
And the need to keep it safe with threats of war
Then the third world wouldn't need a war economy
That we're supplying at a cost they can't afford
So we buy up all their crops and grain
And sell it back again
When there ain't no rain
And have a big campaign
Using famous names
And as the penny drops
Into the Oxfam box
Take off the V.A.T.
Then call it charity
And the public think the government is wonderful
For promoting our assistance to the poor
But their profits are a whole lot more
They create the need to feed the refugees
And delegate the guilty feeling to the public eye
Via pictures of starvation on T.V.
And get the public conscience back out on the streets
With the empty tins
And little flags on pins
Lets call it charity
Lets call it charity
Make it pay!
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 21, 2007 2:03 PM
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I don't know where places like Alternet get the idea that there are all these rich boomers out there with more money than they know what to do with. I wish I HAD the money to donate. And most of the people my age around here are in the same boat.
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Jun 21, 2007 3:58 PM
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It goes without saying that we certainly didn't visualize anything approaching the dimwitted, smirking, bully-boy of a National Humiliation who's currently representing our generation in the White House. But, see, here's what we didn't figure on. We didn't factor in the sheer numbers of the Other Side: the ROTC, Young Republican, broomstick-up-the-ass, war supporters. In short, the Dubyas of the Boomer generation. And whether you realize it or not, they have us, the question-authority types, outnumbered by about two to one. They had hearts of stone during Vietnam, they thought Rusty Calley was getting a bum rap. Do you think they've developed a capacity for empathy since then?
My conscience is clear. I do what I can. I don't have a lot materially, but I do a lot of volunteering. So does my husband. I raised two daughters, one of whom, I am proud to say, has been contributing to Amnesty International, and the other to Doctors Without Borders, ever since they collected their first (pathetically meager) paychecks. But as for the Young (now Old) Republican contingent--they were spoiled, self-centered brats forty years ago, and in my experience, there are few miraculous recoveries among the terminally selfish. So if I were you, just to preserve your faith in your fellow man, I'd lower my expectations a bit.
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LASTLY, IF POSTERS ON ALTERNET REPRESENTS THIS AGE GROUP, HYPROCISY IN THAT ATHEISTS SAY THEY REALLY CARE WHERE BELIEVERS JUST TALK THE TALK. ANOTHER STUDY FOUND THAT BELEIVERS GIVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE MONEY IN ANY AGE GROUP THAN DO NONBELEIVERS. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.
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Posted by: telyawot on Jun 21, 2007 9:09 PM
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like the majority of the x generation i have highly mixed feelings about the boomers. yes rage..duh, but let’s not forget those inspiring and expansive encounters with boomers in my earlier years, which contributed to whatever enlightenment i can claim today. it really depends on which persons and which part of their 'kaleidoscope' you consider. just the fact 'they' are this blob is tiresome. and sloppy. and i am over it. It’s not easy to despise a generation and yet love a few of its members at the same time.
seems we of my generation pretty much already concur re: the boomers, at least to the present: selfish, shallow, slutty, narcissistic, delusional, polluting, painfully 'unsustainable', hypocritical sellout trash. let's not rub their noses in it forever. they still have 25 to 30 years to make amends. let's give them a shot.
their action or inaction will determine fundamentals for the next several generations. there will be no excuses. if the boomers fail to set things in position so that we who follow can do our job, if their response is instead to hoarde and batten down, it will not be pretty. if they fail to deliver when we need it most, there could be cross generational chaos.
maybe our Great Generational Test will be Compassion... will we muster the will to avoid wholesale revenge.
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Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jun 21, 2007 9:28 PM
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The oppressed, given the chance, become the oppressor.
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Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Jun 22, 2007 2:35 AM
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Seriously: how many people do YOU personally know who make more than $200,000/yr.? Some have assets greater than that, but most of that is tied up in their houses.
The baby boom generation simply means those born from 1946 to 1965 or thereabouts. The folks went to war, came home, had kids. ALL folks...black people, brown people, American Indians, poor whites.
We are NOT the universally rich generation! Many of us have lost jobs, have no pensions, are living (like me) on SSDI due to disability, are homeless, are Vietnam Vets, etc. My boomer husband works as a security officer for less than a living wage. I get so sick of the media portrayal of us as all spoiled white middle class kids. We're everybody! Those of us who did make it rich (or who inherited money) and make above $200,000 per can give more money.
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» THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT AFFLUENT BOOMERS NOT THE AVERAGE BOOMER. AND YOUR FRIEND
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» A home, cars, and college sound normal to me
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Posted by: chuckhov on Jun 22, 2007 6:50 AM
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Here are more numbers:
Roughly 78 million Boomers will each donate an average of $6,000 to their favorite causes, Fidelity Investments found in a recent survey. In 2005, they gave an average of $5,000 each or $79 billion in total. This year, U.S. Baby Boomers are expected to give roughly $100 billion to charity, marking a 25 percent increase from 2005.
Take your pick: believe the article on Alternet or this recent survey.
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» RE: chuckhov: THE FIDELITY STUDY : DO YOU HAVE A HYPERLINK SO I CAN LOOK IN DEPTH? N/M
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» poppop_schell, will you ever have enough confidence in your opinion that you won't need "Caps Lock"?
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» RE: poppop_schell, will you ever have enough confidence in your opinion that you won't need "Caps Lock"?
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» Didn't you ever wonder why you are the only one "shouting" (with "Caps Lock")?
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» Right, smart people behave responsibly so ignorant jerks can be breed like flies.
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Posted by: Mad Max Bullshit on Jun 26, 2007 3:43 PM
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I'm an X'er. I have much more education & much less income compared to my boomer counterparts. I work for a nonprofit social justice group, which pays only $1,000 a month (3/4 time). My writings, teachings, & consulting gigs help pay the other bills. I only have major medical (no regular health insurance), very little retirement savings, no Social Security to look forward to, zero handouts from parents or family.
And yet, I religiously give 1/3 (33.3%) of my income to social justice groups & projects. Whereas, my boomer counterparts, who birthed the Civil Rights era, the Womens Rights Movement, the Gay Rights Movement, the anti-war movement... give less thatn 1%?
The fact is, if I don't invest in my generation, nobody else will. The boomers are the "lost" generation, hyper-consumers, chasing around every fad that Hollywood or the mega-corporations have to offer, in denial of their unhealed hurts, destroying the planet, and sabotaging future generations in the process.
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Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Jun 21, 2007 12:18 AM
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Of course, everyone should give more, but many of those needing those charitable services are also boomers. Contrary to media impressions, boomers are not just white, not just professional or middle class.
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Posted by: ateo on Jun 21, 2007 2:09 AM
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You're the ones who sent us to Iraq.
You're the ones keeping us in Iraq.
You're the ones who formulated our aggressive foreign policy stance.
You're the ones keeping health care from being publicly funded.
You're the ones quick to complain but just as quick to hide your wallets.
You're the ones who enjoyed all the wealth that generations of Americans handed to you then declined to leave the country a better place than you found it.
So really, is this a shock? You hippies tried to fight the system and the system beat you into submission. Not just submission but adulation for your oppressors. Now you emulate them but your actions are tempered by neither wisdom nor compassion.
I guess we'll see how the "slackers" from my generation do when we get our turn at the wheel. Sadly your mean spirited yuppy spawn are here by the millions following in your foot steps seeking food, sex, entertainment and a bigger shinier car than their neighbor with no regard for anyone who gets in their way.
So to conclude: America is screwed.
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» no..boomers are war babies, born between 1940-50...thats it
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Posted by: EagleMB on Jun 21, 2007 2:12 AM
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This number seems ridiculously low. Does anyone have a cite to support it?
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 21, 2007 3:04 AM
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Simple answer. They don’t have enough cash left after buying new Hummers, million-dollar homes, vacation cruises, designer clothes, stocks and bonds, gourmet food, fine wine and all the other things they think makes them happy.
I’m not judging affluent Boomers, however. Just the opposite, I feel sorry for them.
Why? If you don’t know, you would never understand my answer, much less agree with it.
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» By AFFLUENT, I meant material things. Clearly, Ruffy, you achieved wealth in more important areas.
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» I think you missed the point, Idunno. This thread is about charity, not corruption.
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» I KNEW everyone had those but me! They've managed to hide all of it! Hummer behind the hay!
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» Oh, and I forgot: HMMMMM?
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 21, 2007 3:50 AM
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Another idea would be to have a bunch of investment management seminars and donate the proceeds to charity. Boomers are drawn to those things like flies to cow pies.
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» Actually, we're just drawn to cow pies.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jun 21, 2007 4:00 AM
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While the world around them goes to pot as a result of many of their habits and decisions, they are getting set to retreat into decadence. Last days of Rome or what?
Statistics have long skewed against the great myths of this generation. They believe they are the most politically active and aware generation; in fact statistics found youth in the 1980s attended more demonstrations and committed more time to political activities. They believe they are generous, but as we can see, they aren't. They believe they have done nothing but bring peace and love to the world; but in fact their selfishness in foreign policy best exemplified by Bill Clinton, let the world fester into all the conflict we see today.
No, boomers and really just bust. I don't expect much from them and while they oversee the biggest looting of wealth from the young to the old (student debt, housing debt etc.) I am set to do everything possible to make their last years miserable.
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» the "ME" generation doesn't give back. the "Hippie" generation doesn't give back. Any surprise?
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On a more concrete level, baby-boomers are likely concerned about their mortality, and unlike younger people, are looking down the barrel of retirement and fear of an impoverished life. Many are trying to squirrel away money to compensate for their lack of saving in prior years. By the way, I'm 47...
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» igoeja: SO THE LESS YOU GIVE TO CHARITIES, THE BETTER PERSON YOU ARE? GOD WILL
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» Excuse me, I happen to be God, and I don't remember that at all.
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Posted by: Rod on Jun 21, 2007 5:53 AM
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When I make a contribution it is usually $25 to $50. Then I get a flood of more requests for contributions, sometimes more than 1 a month. They waste my entire contribution on asking for more money. Then I get more mail from others they sell my name to. In the end, my contribution has a negative gain. And all that paper to recycle! Not the way I want to have them spend my money.
If someone would have a checkbox, for only ask me once a year and do not sell my name, I would contribute again. ANYONE?
Until then, I stuff a few hundred dollars into the salvation army kettle and that is about all. At leat that way they do not know who I am to waste all my money sending me junk mail, and I think they spend it wisely.
Thanks.
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Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah on Jun 21, 2007 6:41 AM
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Also, note empirical proof that conservative America overwhelmingly gives more to charity than hypocrit leftists.
In addition, evangelical conservatives are the most generous.
Note that the majority of troops serving in Iraq are conservative -- they are sacrificing blood to support their nation and ideological beliefs.
if conservative soldiers and marines can give blood to support their cause, WHY CANT LIBS GIVE A LITTLE CASH FOR THEIR'S?
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Posted by: ilene on Jun 21, 2007 7:47 AM
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"Could Be That" has an important point. If it's going to cost $7000.00 a month for my mother to be in skilled nursing facility and she has no income, am I going to be able to give any percent of my income to causes when I make about $3600.00 a month. Let's do the math!
I am a boomer, but I sure don't make 200K to a million a year and I'm sure many other boomers are in the same position!
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Posted by: olderworker on Jun 21, 2007 8:12 AM
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I do donate used clothing and other items to charity, though.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Jun 21, 2007 8:24 AM
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By the same token, they are coming up fast on their own retirement, at a time when Social Security is considered very shaky. That is mostly Republican propaganda, but it is something we all worry about. And in many cases, our own kids are getting a shaky start in a rough economy, so we can't really count on them. It's our last chance to save for our own old age.
That's enough excuses: there's another factor. We weren't all hippies, or liberal. Many of those who WERE hippies still are, and barely making it financially. (I know quite a few of those.). Both the neocons and the present chief greedheads come from the same age-group, and they were always there. By and large, they're the ones with the huge incomes, because that's what was important to them. More than most generations? I don't know, but someone's litany of the traumas we faced in formative years is revealing. Among other things, those conditions bred both despair and cynicism. (In my case, I think it was the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was a senior in high school, and we were genuinely terrified. Then the assassinations started. If we don't trust the System, that's why. I shudder to think what present high-school kids will turn out like.)
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Posted by: JPHickey on Jun 21, 2007 8:25 AM
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Volunteerism and charity fit into organizational structures defined by conventional thinking. Participating in them or financially supporting them entails accepting the “go along to get along” approach to helping the needy. The deprivation of basic needs and rights is systemic, so “helping” with the symptoms has little or no impact on changing things so that the cycle of suffering is broken.
Yes, many do get that feel good charge by knowing that they’ve helped some needy illegal alien or other individual who could benefit from the boost of a helping hand. However, personally I support an activist approach that concentrates my efforts on changing the system. Isn’t that sort of vision and idealism that motivated the baby boomers during the era of consciousness raising? Beyond the hedonism of drugs, sex, and rock & roll, existed vision and activism to change our society for the better!
Some of my friends volunteer at the food bank, and I clean up useful things and take them to the Salvation Army, myself. But I am more interested in changing the law to make it easier for workers to form and join unions. Otherwise the commoditization an diminishment of the human producers of business will be forced to seek more and more charity just to get by, all the while, the wealth is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a small, elite group.
If and when fortune smiles upon me financially, I fully intend to step outside this box to fund and administer my own version of an empowering organization. In other words, unlike the callous, plastic, serpent-hearted charity of Bill Gates and his ilk, I prefer to do something more like the McArthur program except far more outrageous. I plan to run contests with motivating prize money that are open to either high school, college, or everyone.
The topics could include asking for ways to release creativity, facilitate conservation, or even raise social consciousness. I want to direct people’s attention to social change to release cultural creativity and empower new pathways to living fulfilling and harmonious lives while leaving a much lighter footprint on the planet!
At times when I’ve been richer, I found just about everybody I knew sniffed out my financially advantaged situation, and started hitting me up relentlessly. To avoid this, I now realize I must incorporate a non-profit organization to keep my personal name in the background.
Anyway, it’s still not too late for Baby Boomers to raise their consciousness and leave the lives of materialism and fear behind, in order to empower a new renaissance of higher human potential. See the New York Times article on mindfulness in schools as a step in the right direction. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/us/16mindful.html?
The positive process of creative and enlightening change is going on as we speak, but just think of how much faster it could be going if a few million more Baby Boomers let go of their clouded versions of life to regain their creative and spiritual roots! Contact me at: phickey@(at)eSedona.net Remove the (at) to activate the e-mail address, please.
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» tjg1984: THE PARABLE OF THE RICH MAN AND THE NEW BARN
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Posted by: Techubus on Jun 21, 2007 11:45 AM
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As the Charity Department at the Treasury
Dispenses licenses so you can do one too
The Ethiopians are running out of weaponry
So their leaders stock it up instead of food
And charity begins at home
So get out on the streets
And help the refugees
And the manager of E.M.I. technology
Seems reluctant to discuss his business deals
Cos the weapon sales are paying for his meals
He'll go to withering heights
To keep it out of sight
Profit! Weaponry doesn't feed refugees
It's a hit! McCartney's saying please on T.V.'s royalties to feed the world with guns
Wembley Stadium forever on the video
And a million spent to raise that sixty more
Nothing ever quite as big as this before
And it broke our hearts
As it topped the charts
But when the overkill exploited the reality
We forgot the facts and revelled in the noise
We didn't see that while we had the voice
Companies and laws were pulling vocal chords
If the western world was less obsessed with property
And the need to keep it safe with threats of war
Then the third world wouldn't need a war economy
That we're supplying at a cost they can't afford
So we buy up all their crops and grain
And sell it back again
When there ain't no rain
And have a big campaign
Using famous names
And as the penny drops
Into the Oxfam box
Take off the V.A.T.
Then call it charity
And the public think the government is wonderful
For promoting our assistance to the poor
But their profits are a whole lot more
They create the need to feed the refugees
And delegate the guilty feeling to the public eye
Via pictures of starvation on T.V.
And get the public conscience back out on the streets
With the empty tins
And little flags on pins
Lets call it charity
Lets call it charity
Make it pay!
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 21, 2007 2:03 PM
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I don't know where places like Alternet get the idea that there are all these rich boomers out there with more money than they know what to do with. I wish I HAD the money to donate. And most of the people my age around here are in the same boat.
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Jun 21, 2007 3:58 PM
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It goes without saying that we certainly didn't visualize anything approaching the dimwitted, smirking, bully-boy of a National Humiliation who's currently representing our generation in the White House. But, see, here's what we didn't figure on. We didn't factor in the sheer numbers of the Other Side: the ROTC, Young Republican, broomstick-up-the-ass, war supporters. In short, the Dubyas of the Boomer generation. And whether you realize it or not, they have us, the question-authority types, outnumbered by about two to one. They had hearts of stone during Vietnam, they thought Rusty Calley was getting a bum rap. Do you think they've developed a capacity for empathy since then?
My conscience is clear. I do what I can. I don't have a lot materially, but I do a lot of volunteering. So does my husband. I raised two daughters, one of whom, I am proud to say, has been contributing to Amnesty International, and the other to Doctors Without Borders, ever since they collected their first (pathetically meager) paychecks. But as for the Young (now Old) Republican contingent--they were spoiled, self-centered brats forty years ago, and in my experience, there are few miraculous recoveries among the terminally selfish. So if I were you, just to preserve your faith in your fellow man, I'd lower my expectations a bit.
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Posted by: poppop_schell on Jun 21, 2007 4:52 PM
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LASTLY, IF POSTERS ON ALTERNET REPRESENTS THIS AGE GROUP, HYPROCISY IN THAT ATHEISTS SAY THEY REALLY CARE WHERE BELIEVERS JUST TALK THE TALK. ANOTHER STUDY FOUND THAT BELEIVERS GIVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE MONEY IN ANY AGE GROUP THAN DO NONBELEIVERS. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.
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» SELF ABORPTION, SELFISHNESS ...using "Caps Lock" being a fine example. :-)
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» Yes, we agree, religion is a crappy substitute for personal responsibility. m/m
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Posted by: Gisele on Jun 21, 2007 9:00 PM
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Posted by: telyawot on Jun 21, 2007 9:09 PM
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like the majority of the x generation i have highly mixed feelings about the boomers. yes rage..duh, but let’s not forget those inspiring and expansive encounters with boomers in my earlier years, which contributed to whatever enlightenment i can claim today. it really depends on which persons and which part of their 'kaleidoscope' you consider. just the fact 'they' are this blob is tiresome. and sloppy. and i am over it. It’s not easy to despise a generation and yet love a few of its members at the same time.
seems we of my generation pretty much already concur re: the boomers, at least to the present: selfish, shallow, slutty, narcissistic, delusional, polluting, painfully 'unsustainable', hypocritical sellout trash. let's not rub their noses in it forever. they still have 25 to 30 years to make amends. let's give them a shot.
their action or inaction will determine fundamentals for the next several generations. there will be no excuses. if the boomers fail to set things in position so that we who follow can do our job, if their response is instead to hoarde and batten down, it will not be pretty. if they fail to deliver when we need it most, there could be cross generational chaos.
maybe our Great Generational Test will be Compassion... will we muster the will to avoid wholesale revenge.
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Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jun 21, 2007 9:28 PM
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The oppressed, given the chance, become the oppressor.
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Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo on Jun 22, 2007 2:35 AM
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Seriously: how many people do YOU personally know who make more than $200,000/yr.? Some have assets greater than that, but most of that is tied up in their houses.
The baby boom generation simply means those born from 1946 to 1965 or thereabouts. The folks went to war, came home, had kids. ALL folks...black people, brown people, American Indians, poor whites.
We are NOT the universally rich generation! Many of us have lost jobs, have no pensions, are living (like me) on SSDI due to disability, are homeless, are Vietnam Vets, etc. My boomer husband works as a security officer for less than a living wage. I get so sick of the media portrayal of us as all spoiled white middle class kids. We're everybody! Those of us who did make it rich (or who inherited money) and make above $200,000 per can give more money.
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» THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT AFFLUENT BOOMERS NOT THE AVERAGE BOOMER. AND YOUR FRIEND
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» A home, cars, and college sound normal to me
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Posted by: chuckhov on Jun 22, 2007 6:50 AM
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Here are more numbers:
Roughly 78 million Boomers will each donate an average of $6,000 to their favorite causes, Fidelity Investments found in a recent survey. In 2005, they gave an average of $5,000 each or $79 billion in total. This year, U.S. Baby Boomers are expected to give roughly $100 billion to charity, marking a 25 percent increase from 2005.
Take your pick: believe the article on Alternet or this recent survey.
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» poppop_schell, will you ever have enough confidence in your opinion that you won't need "Caps Lock"?
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» RE: poppop_schell, will you ever have enough confidence in your opinion that you won't need "Caps Lock"?
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» Didn't you ever wonder why you are the only one "shouting" (with "Caps Lock")?
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» pAT: I am sure you have my best interests are heart so I will take your counsel. N/M
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» RE: pAT: I am sure you have my best interests are heart so I will take your counsel.
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» You really think snickering about your 24 descendents "so far" is going to make a believer out me?
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» Pat: I am saddened by your attitude towards children. I am glad you decided against having any.N/M
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» Right, smart people behave responsibly so ignorant jerks can be breed like flies.
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Posted by: greggwyck on Jun 24, 2007 7:59 AM
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Posted by: Mad Max Bullshit on Jun 26, 2007 3:43 PM
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I'm an X'er. I have much more education & much less income compared to my boomer counterparts. I work for a nonprofit social justice group, which pays only $1,000 a month (3/4 time). My writings, teachings, & consulting gigs help pay the other bills. I only have major medical (no regular health insurance), very little retirement savings, no Social Security to look forward to, zero handouts from parents or family.
And yet, I religiously give 1/3 (33.3%) of my income to social justice groups & projects. Whereas, my boomer counterparts, who birthed the Civil Rights era, the Womens Rights Movement, the Gay Rights Movement, the anti-war movement... give less thatn 1%?
The fact is, if I don't invest in my generation, nobody else will. The boomers are the "lost" generation, hyper-consumers, chasing around every fad that Hollywood or the mega-corporations have to offer, in denial of their unhealed hurts, destroying the planet, and sabotaging future generations in the process.
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