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One Perfect Day: The Selling of the American Wedding
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Marketing is replacing organized religion and extended family in people's lives, Mead writes, and as wedding ceremonies become more and more elaborate, there is plenty of humor -- and plenty to turn your stomach -- in the business of pledging undying love.
Weddings are such big business that they now have celebrity planners who are famous in their own right and serve the fabulously wealthy. Colin Cowrie, a celebrity wedding planner, is so in demand that Mead had a hard time catching up with him. Cowrie's packed planner included commitments with Oprah's Million Dollar Wedding Giveaway and the royal family of Qatar.
Mead calls him refreshingly cynical (when she asks about the success rate of people he's helped to marry, his response is, "Sweetheart, I really don't care. I just get 'em down the aisle."), but found his ideas about how to help the bride rather peculiar. Cowrie, who went into business with JC Penney to sell products for the wedding and the home, says he empowers women by helping them choose what products to register for and then teaching the bride-to-be how to use them.
"Selling somebody products is not usually about empowering them," Mead said. "Usually we don't think of choosing your sheets as being empowering."
Empowering or not, the wedding industry rakes in $161 billion a year -- about five times the amount that the cosmetic industry makes -- and it doesn't do that just by selling sheets. Rather, it uses people like Cowrie to sell brides a whole new image.
"You are selling dreams and you can charge anything," Gerard Monaghan, cofounder of the Association of Bridal Consultants, told a seminar of novice wedding planners in Connecticut. Monaghan's other tips to the would-be wedding consultants include making the bride feel that hiring them is a necessity rather than a luxury, and scaring the brides with how much work it will be to plan their wedding.
Mead thinks many of the women in Monaghan's class would have found it unthinkable not long ago to hire a professional to plan their wedding. She says the shift has something to do with our fascination with celebrity. Americans have come to believe we all can live like the celebrities we see in magazines -- or at least throw parties like them -- under what Mead calls "this new democracy of extravagance."
The idea that we can all be extravagant is catching on. According to Mead, the average commercial wedding costs about $28,000, involves 43 professionals, and has 165 guests in attendance. The average bride's dress costs $1,025. Last year American brides and grooms registered for over $9 billion worth of gifts, and 96 percent of engaged couples plan to register.
But planning an extravagant wedding is about more than aspiring to live like celebrities. For some of the brides Mead talked to, there was a kind of magical thinking guiding their decisions to place so much importance -- and spend so much money -- on the wedding. Some brides feel the more elaborate the wedding, the more secure the marriage will be. That line of thinking makes them the perfect consumer to the wedding industry.
This is the first book for Mead, a staff writer for the New Yorker, who has written about everything from human egg-trading for infertile women to the Christian diet movement. Whether her subject is childbearing, religion or love, Mead gravitates toward the same theme in her work: people making money off things that seem like they should be outside of the commercial sphere.
Mead became interested in investigating the wedding industry after she wrote a piece for the New Yorker in 2003 about David's Bridal, a discount wedding dress chain, that now dresses one in four American brides. Mead says the chain threatens independent wedding dress stores in much the same way Barnes and Nobles threatens small bookstores, and the more she got into the story, the more it seemed there was to find about practices in the wedding industry and what that says about the commercialization of culture.
"It felt like there was so much more, like it was opening up to me," she said about the story. "It seemed like a very ripe subject that nobody else was doing."
While researching the book, Mead went to a wedding dress factory in China where she found seamstresses making $6 a day to sew $1000 dresses. Her research also took her to Disney World Wedding Pavillion, where couples can rent Cinderella's coach, to the beaches in Aruba where a third of the weddings are for tourists, to wedding planner conventions and wedding dress retailer seminars.
"It's the same technique for selling a car," Mead said. "But it's a special thing that's being sold."
Mead writes about how professionals in the wedding industry play on the fears and insecurities of the bride, pressuring her to make the day perfect. She cites an article from Vows, a magazine for wedding dress retailers, which reminds readers, "Just when the bride thinks she'll have to spend no more, it's your job to remind her that her bridal image looks incomplete." Wedding dress retailers are advised to capitalize on what is called the "Oh, Mommy" moment -- when the bride falls in love with a dress -- and pressure them to buy it immediately, regardless of the cost. And videographers appeal to a bride's emotions by telling her that her wedding day will literally be "lost" if she doesn't preserve it on videotape.
Mead points out that this is all a relatively new phenomenon. The industry markets certain things as traditional, but many, such as diamond engagement rings, are from the last few decades and are not traditions our grandmothers would recognize. Pre-World War II a third of couples skipped the wedding reception and honeymoon, and 16 percent got married in clothes they already owned. Mead thinks that as religious and familial ties have eroded in the last several decades, marketing has come in to take its place. She also believes that as marriages no longer signify significant changes for many couples -- the first time leaving the family home, their first sexual relationship -- more and more importance is put on the wedding itself to show that something is different and something has changed. People want to feel that something big has happened when they get married, Mead said.
"We're yearning for something spiritual and profound," she added. "We want our weddings to be meaningful. And who do we turn to for meaning? Often we find it in the commercial."
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 15, 2007 1:44 AM
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Some brides feel the more elaborate the wedding, the more secure the marriage will be
Are they retarded? Because if they are, I can understand how it might be wrong to advertise to them.
Mead writes about how professionals in the wedding industry play on the fears and insecurities of the bride, pressuring her to make the day perfect.
I see women are the victim yet again.
I would feel sorry for the man that drops 2 (or is it 3 now?) months salary on a piece of carbon (possible polished with an African child's blood), but no one held a gun to his head.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 15, 2007 2:14 AM
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I had to give up that life for two reasons:
1. If I'm going to be remembered for anything, I don't want it to be "Wedding Video by Tom"
2. If I hear the Chicken Dance one more time, I'm going to strike someone.
Tom Degan
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Jun 15, 2007 2:50 AM
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- New tailored "wedding" golf clubs instead of expensive gowns (at least they will get more use) to be carried behind the couple down the aisle as they leave the ceremony;
- the bride has to give the groom an "engagement speed boat" in exchange for the blood diamond;
- Expensive receptions substituted with expensive post nuptial "wedding" box seats at the game (for 100 guests);
- Hire fleet of Lamborghinis instead of a cinderella carriage.......
There's got to be more money for the savvy business operator in this "wedding" somewhere.....
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Posted by: smendler on Jun 15, 2007 6:22 AM
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Our wedding was marked by several great cost-saving moves:
1. My wife's best friend made her wedding dress. The material was drapery fabric - she looked great.
2. The reception was a potluck dinner. My father-in-law bought a bunch of stuff 'cause he wanted to (abbondanza and all that), but no catering was involved.
3. Our wedding rings are silver Claddagh rings from a local Irish goods store. They doubled as engagement rings, by the way - all you do is turn them the other way ;*)
4. No tuxes, no "wedding party" - but everybody was part of the service -- everyone signed our "wedding certificate" (even the 4-year-olds who were there)
4. For entertainment at the wedding, rather than a DJ or rock band, we had a fiddle band and did contra dancing. *Everyone* danced together, no one's ears got blown out, and there was NO CHICKEN DANCE ;*)
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Posted by: island___grrrl on Jun 15, 2007 6:24 AM
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1 - my friend referred to our engagement as a "pseudo-engagement" because I didn't have or want an engagement ring.
2 - my mother-in-law asked me at LEAST a dozen times why I'd want to get married in an ann taylor dress (which was very nice, cost less than $200, and can totally be worn again) and not some big expensive poofy meringue that would sit and rot in "storage"
3 - the lack of a bridal party was SHOCKING to people, as was the absence of favors, fancy invitations, and rituals such as the first dance, the "giving away of the bride" and a bouquet - I mean really, WHAT is the purpose of carrying around this bunch of flowers all day?
The most stressful thing for me leading up to the wedding had nothing to do with planning - if you don't fill the event up with useless crap, there's less to plan - it was people making me feel like my wedding was going to be somehow not "special" or meaningful and that that was somehow a reflection of our relationship. Fortunately, I stuck to my guns (avoiding discussions with your family and paying for it yourselves helps), and the wedding was awesome. We had a friend officiate, did our own vows, had karaoke at the reception (we're big karaoke buffs). And at the end of it all some of the very same people who pooh-poohed the plans told us it was the best wedding they'd ever been too. Take THAT wedding-industrial-complex!
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 15, 2007 6:30 AM
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Mom was 22 and Dad was 24. There was no wedding dress--my mom wore what she called her "Sunday Church" dress. Dad borrowed a suit from his brother who was also Best Man. They had sandwiches and cake afterwards. The wedding gift from the parents of the bride and groom were 10 laying hens. For their honeymoon they drove in a Model A to North Platte for a few days.
Mom and Dad lived together for 50 years (Mom passed-away on the very day of their 50th anniversary). Had 5 kids who all went to college and are doing well in life. In later years, my Mom especially was appalled by the huge productions that people put on for weddings in my area. When a grandaughter was planning her huge wedding, my Mom told her "money doesn't buy happiness, dear".
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Posted by: g on Jun 15, 2007 7:27 AM
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Anyway: women who fall for the trappings of the industry are idiots, not victims. Men who write checks for the above-mentioned women are idiots, not victims. We are all (or most of us are) born with a brain. Use it. It's only anecdotal evidence, but for all I know the more one spends, the more likely the marriage is to fail-unless one has really deep pockets. Debt is *not good* for a marriage.
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Posted by: Ms. DuFontagne on Jun 15, 2007 7:48 AM
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The way Hollywood portrays weddings these days is gross.
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Posted by: stillmeg on Jun 15, 2007 8:25 AM
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I can't imagine doing it any other way. I have been a bridesmaid twice and I have to shake my head at all the froo-froo (I can't think of a better word for all the goings-on...). It is as bad as Christmas (starting before Thanksgiving) anymore....
Megan
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 15, 2007 8:43 AM
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She also said another bad time for potential fisticuffs is at funerals.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jun 15, 2007 9:08 AM
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Plenty of people still get married by the Justice of the Peace. I did with my first marriage. It's a whopping $25 or so. As for young people going into debt to finance expensive marriages and how silly that seems for just one day, again, I believe it is a matter of personal choice. Society and government already makes available the very inexpensive justice of the peace or local minister options. Therefore, if couples are choosing other options, that is simply their own business and don't we have other real problems to worry about - like a zillion dollar war still killing people on a daily basis.
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Posted by: groucho66 on Jun 15, 2007 9:11 AM
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The more I read about the crazy stress and expense of most weddings, just gives me one more reason to be thankful for my wife.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 15, 2007 3:20 PM
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I just showed up where and when I was told, kept my mouth shut until the vows part, drank non-stop, and woke up on some tropical island a week later...I think that's how it is for a lot of people.
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Posted by: jparsons on Jun 16, 2007 3:01 PM
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Why do you "need" more than a JP? Well, a wedding is a social contract as well as a personal one, therefore a certain amount of ceremony is appropriate to mark the occasion. There are more than two people involved in a wedding and marriage.
We had a quite traditional ceremony that I just loved. But a budget was definitely always in mind. We didn't break the bank but still got lots of the familiar traditions in that many people enjoy - And added a few that I wanted :-)
Hints?
Rent your wedding dress
Keep the # of attendants small
Keep the # of invitees small
Find a talented amateur for photos/video
Don't have "open bar bill" (THIS IS HUGE!)
On and on - find the biggest budget items and figure out another way.
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Posted by: mercury613 on Jun 16, 2007 10:49 PM
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When it was all over, I'm sure they laughed -- joyously -- all the way to the bank.
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Posted by: LindaB on Jun 17, 2007 7:20 AM
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When my fiance and I get married, we're planning on a civil service with just a few close family members, and then taking off for a vacation/honeymoon. When we get back, we'll host a barbecue if people would like to help us celebrate. The important thing (I learned this time around) is how we feel about each other and the plans we have for our life together.
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Posted by: ohb0b on Jun 17, 2007 11:21 PM
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The second time, my wife and I were married in the house we shared for eight years prior to getting married. When we met, we were both adults, living on our own, so we had two of just about everything needed to set up a household. We kept most of my wife's stuff... we got rid of my wine bottle rolling pin, jelly jar water tumblers, and margarine tub cereal bowls.
So, on our wedding invitations, we requested "NO GIFTS" and suggested our guests make a contribution to one of our favorite charities instead. (or choose a charity of their own)
We married for health care reasons... she lost her job, had no health insurance, and I couldn't get her on my policy. That's one reason gays want legal relationships... I say we seperate the legal and religious aspects of marriage completely. Everyone, gay or straight enters into a "civil union" and let the churches marry or not marry whoever they want to.
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Posted by: gsbman on Jun 18, 2007 1:19 PM
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My fiancee, however, wouldn't compromise and have a less expensive reception at a restaurant or a wedding-moon (combination wedding and honeymoon that doesn't require feeding 200 relatives).
So, sadly, I cancelled the wedding...and the relationship. I figured that if my fiancee wouldn't compromise about a wedding, she wouldn't compromise about anything in the relationship. I still have regrets over the break-up, and I still think about my fiancee and wish things had worked out between me and her.
My point is that the wedding industry is an extreme example of capitalism. It's truly out of control. People seem to believe that a marriage can only take place in conjunction with an exhorbitantly expensive wedding.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 15, 2007 1:44 AM
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Some brides feel the more elaborate the wedding, the more secure the marriage will be
Are they retarded? Because if they are, I can understand how it might be wrong to advertise to them.
Mead writes about how professionals in the wedding industry play on the fears and insecurities of the bride, pressuring her to make the day perfect.
I see women are the victim yet again.
I would feel sorry for the man that drops 2 (or is it 3 now?) months salary on a piece of carbon (possible polished with an African child's blood), but no one held a gun to his head.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 15, 2007 2:14 AM
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I had to give up that life for two reasons:
1. If I'm going to be remembered for anything, I don't want it to be "Wedding Video by Tom"
2. If I hear the Chicken Dance one more time, I'm going to strike someone.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Jun 15, 2007 2:50 AM
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- New tailored "wedding" golf clubs instead of expensive gowns (at least they will get more use) to be carried behind the couple down the aisle as they leave the ceremony;
- the bride has to give the groom an "engagement speed boat" in exchange for the blood diamond;
- Expensive receptions substituted with expensive post nuptial "wedding" box seats at the game (for 100 guests);
- Hire fleet of Lamborghinis instead of a cinderella carriage.......
There's got to be more money for the savvy business operator in this "wedding" somewhere.....
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Posted by: smendler on Jun 15, 2007 6:22 AM
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Our wedding was marked by several great cost-saving moves:
1. My wife's best friend made her wedding dress. The material was drapery fabric - she looked great.
2. The reception was a potluck dinner. My father-in-law bought a bunch of stuff 'cause he wanted to (abbondanza and all that), but no catering was involved.
3. Our wedding rings are silver Claddagh rings from a local Irish goods store. They doubled as engagement rings, by the way - all you do is turn them the other way ;*)
4. No tuxes, no "wedding party" - but everybody was part of the service -- everyone signed our "wedding certificate" (even the 4-year-olds who were there)
4. For entertainment at the wedding, rather than a DJ or rock band, we had a fiddle band and did contra dancing. *Everyone* danced together, no one's ears got blown out, and there was NO CHICKEN DANCE ;*)
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Posted by: island___grrrl on Jun 15, 2007 6:24 AM
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1 - my friend referred to our engagement as a "pseudo-engagement" because I didn't have or want an engagement ring.
2 - my mother-in-law asked me at LEAST a dozen times why I'd want to get married in an ann taylor dress (which was very nice, cost less than $200, and can totally be worn again) and not some big expensive poofy meringue that would sit and rot in "storage"
3 - the lack of a bridal party was SHOCKING to people, as was the absence of favors, fancy invitations, and rituals such as the first dance, the "giving away of the bride" and a bouquet - I mean really, WHAT is the purpose of carrying around this bunch of flowers all day?
The most stressful thing for me leading up to the wedding had nothing to do with planning - if you don't fill the event up with useless crap, there's less to plan - it was people making me feel like my wedding was going to be somehow not "special" or meaningful and that that was somehow a reflection of our relationship. Fortunately, I stuck to my guns (avoiding discussions with your family and paying for it yourselves helps), and the wedding was awesome. We had a friend officiate, did our own vows, had karaoke at the reception (we're big karaoke buffs). And at the end of it all some of the very same people who pooh-poohed the plans told us it was the best wedding they'd ever been too. Take THAT wedding-industrial-complex!
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 15, 2007 6:30 AM
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Mom was 22 and Dad was 24. There was no wedding dress--my mom wore what she called her "Sunday Church" dress. Dad borrowed a suit from his brother who was also Best Man. They had sandwiches and cake afterwards. The wedding gift from the parents of the bride and groom were 10 laying hens. For their honeymoon they drove in a Model A to North Platte for a few days.
Mom and Dad lived together for 50 years (Mom passed-away on the very day of their 50th anniversary). Had 5 kids who all went to college and are doing well in life. In later years, my Mom especially was appalled by the huge productions that people put on for weddings in my area. When a grandaughter was planning her huge wedding, my Mom told her "money doesn't buy happiness, dear".
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Posted by: g on Jun 15, 2007 7:27 AM
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Anyway: women who fall for the trappings of the industry are idiots, not victims. Men who write checks for the above-mentioned women are idiots, not victims. We are all (or most of us are) born with a brain. Use it. It's only anecdotal evidence, but for all I know the more one spends, the more likely the marriage is to fail-unless one has really deep pockets. Debt is *not good* for a marriage.
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Posted by: Ms. DuFontagne on Jun 15, 2007 7:48 AM
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The way Hollywood portrays weddings these days is gross.
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Posted by: rhonnamae23 on Jun 15, 2007 7:48 AM
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Posted by: stillmeg on Jun 15, 2007 8:25 AM
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I can't imagine doing it any other way. I have been a bridesmaid twice and I have to shake my head at all the froo-froo (I can't think of a better word for all the goings-on...). It is as bad as Christmas (starting before Thanksgiving) anymore....
Megan
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 15, 2007 8:43 AM
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She also said another bad time for potential fisticuffs is at funerals.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jun 15, 2007 9:08 AM
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Plenty of people still get married by the Justice of the Peace. I did with my first marriage. It's a whopping $25 or so. As for young people going into debt to finance expensive marriages and how silly that seems for just one day, again, I believe it is a matter of personal choice. Society and government already makes available the very inexpensive justice of the peace or local minister options. Therefore, if couples are choosing other options, that is simply their own business and don't we have other real problems to worry about - like a zillion dollar war still killing people on a daily basis.
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Posted by: groucho66 on Jun 15, 2007 9:11 AM
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The more I read about the crazy stress and expense of most weddings, just gives me one more reason to be thankful for my wife.
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Posted by: lahlah on Jun 15, 2007 11:58 AM
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Posted by: po cracka on Jun 15, 2007 1:10 PM
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» funny how "progressives" never mention this!
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 15, 2007 3:20 PM
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I just showed up where and when I was told, kept my mouth shut until the vows part, drank non-stop, and woke up on some tropical island a week later...I think that's how it is for a lot of people.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Jun 15, 2007 6:45 PM
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Posted by: Mojoe on Jun 15, 2007 11:22 PM
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Posted by: jparsons on Jun 16, 2007 3:01 PM
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Why do you "need" more than a JP? Well, a wedding is a social contract as well as a personal one, therefore a certain amount of ceremony is appropriate to mark the occasion. There are more than two people involved in a wedding and marriage.
We had a quite traditional ceremony that I just loved. But a budget was definitely always in mind. We didn't break the bank but still got lots of the familiar traditions in that many people enjoy - And added a few that I wanted :-)
Hints?
Rent your wedding dress
Keep the # of attendants small
Keep the # of invitees small
Find a talented amateur for photos/video
Don't have "open bar bill" (THIS IS HUGE!)
On and on - find the biggest budget items and figure out another way.
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Posted by: mercury613 on Jun 16, 2007 10:49 PM
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When it was all over, I'm sure they laughed -- joyously -- all the way to the bank.
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Posted by: Alec Freeman on Jun 17, 2007 2:17 AM
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Posted by: LindaB on Jun 17, 2007 7:20 AM
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When my fiance and I get married, we're planning on a civil service with just a few close family members, and then taking off for a vacation/honeymoon. When we get back, we'll host a barbecue if people would like to help us celebrate. The important thing (I learned this time around) is how we feel about each other and the plans we have for our life together.
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Posted by: ohb0b on Jun 17, 2007 11:21 PM
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The second time, my wife and I were married in the house we shared for eight years prior to getting married. When we met, we were both adults, living on our own, so we had two of just about everything needed to set up a household. We kept most of my wife's stuff... we got rid of my wine bottle rolling pin, jelly jar water tumblers, and margarine tub cereal bowls.
So, on our wedding invitations, we requested "NO GIFTS" and suggested our guests make a contribution to one of our favorite charities instead. (or choose a charity of their own)
We married for health care reasons... she lost her job, had no health insurance, and I couldn't get her on my policy. That's one reason gays want legal relationships... I say we seperate the legal and religious aspects of marriage completely. Everyone, gay or straight enters into a "civil union" and let the churches marry or not marry whoever they want to.
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on Jun 18, 2007 9:40 AM
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Posted by: AmIsraelChai on Jun 18, 2007 12:38 PM
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Posted by: gsbman on Jun 18, 2007 1:19 PM
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My fiancee, however, wouldn't compromise and have a less expensive reception at a restaurant or a wedding-moon (combination wedding and honeymoon that doesn't require feeding 200 relatives).
So, sadly, I cancelled the wedding...and the relationship. I figured that if my fiancee wouldn't compromise about a wedding, she wouldn't compromise about anything in the relationship. I still have regrets over the break-up, and I still think about my fiancee and wish things had worked out between me and her.
My point is that the wedding industry is an extreme example of capitalism. It's truly out of control. People seem to believe that a marriage can only take place in conjunction with an exhorbitantly expensive wedding.
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