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Give Ethanol a Chance: The Case for Corn-Based Fuel

By David Morris, AlterNet. Posted June 13, 2007.


In the last few years, the environmental community has begun attacking corn-derived ethanol. Although imperfect, there are reasons to give ethanol a fair trial.

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Working Assets is my long-distance phone company. I love it dearly for its combination of business efficiency, social responsibility and progressive politics.

Each month, my phone bill carries alerts that urge me to take action on a specific issue or two. Recent Citizen Actions suggest the gravity of the issues chosen: "Save Our Constitution," "Impeach Dick Cheney," "Close Guantanamo."

This month Working Assets urged me to "Say No to Ethanol."

How did the use of ethanol end up alongside tyranny and torture as an evil to be conquered?

A couple of years ago, I was waiting my turn to speak to a well-attended California conference on alternative fuels. For this gathering, alternative fuels included natural gas, clean diesel, fossil fueled derived hydrogen, coal-fired electricity, as well as wind energy and biofuels. The leadoff speaker, from the California Energy Commission, spoke warmly about all the alternative fuels under discussion. Except one. When it came to ethanol, he visualized his perspective with the metaphor of a giant hypodermic needle from Midwest corn farmers to California drivers. For him and, I suspect, most of California's state government, ethanol belongs in the same category as heroin.

In the late 1990s, the nation discovered that MTBE, a widely used gasoline additive made of natural gas and petroleum-derived isobutylene was polluting ground water. The environmental community largely defended its continued use and vigorously opposed substituting ethanol. One well-respected New England environmental coalition raised the possibility that ethanol blends could cause fetal alcohol syndrome. Fill up your gas tank with 10 percent ethanol and your baby could be alcoholic, their report warned.

In the last few years, the environmental position has shifted from an attack on ethanol from any source to an attack on corn and corn-derived ethanol. The assault on corn comes from so many directions that sometimes the arguments are wildly contradictory. In an article published in the New York Times Magazine earlier this year Michael Pollan, an excellent and insightful writer, argues that cheap corn is the key to the epidemic of obesity. The same month, Foreign Affairs published an article by two distinguished university professors who argued that the use of ethanol has led to a runup in corn prices that threatens to sentence millions more to starvation.

Ethanol is not a perfect fuel. Corn is far from a perfect fuel crop. We should debate their imperfections. But we should also keep in mind the first law of ecology. "There is no such thing as a free lunch." Tapping into any energy source involves tradeoffs.

Yet when it comes to ethanol, and corn, we accept no tradeoffs. In 30 years in the business of alternative energy, I've never encountered the level of animosity generated by ethanol, not even in the debate about nuclear power. When it comes to ethanol, we seem to apply a different standard than we do when we evaluate other fuels.

When California discovered MTBE in its groundwater, it petitioned the federal government to be allowed to phase out MTBE without using ethanol. It wanted to substitute a 100 percent petroleum-derived fuel. The environmental community was strongly supportive of that request.

I can't but think that the environmental community, as currently constituted, would have supported the use of lead over ethanol as its no-knock additive of choice for gasoline in the early 1920s.

When President George W. Bush first embraced the hydrogen economy, most environmentalists applauded, even though they conceded that for the first 10-20 years, hydrogen would be derived from fossil fuels. Indeed, so eager were they to jump-start hydrogen that Minnesota environmentalists helped enact a bill that defines hydrogen made from natural gas as a renewable fuel.

When it comes to ethanol, reporters appear obligated by some unwritten rule of the profession to talk about whether ethanol uses more energy in the cultivation and processing of the crop than it contains. In the hundreds of interviews I've had with journalists about ethanol over the years, I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times the net energy issue did not come up.

Articles about hydrogen in the mainstream, or alternative press, on the other hand, rarely talk about net energy. This despite the fact that while the net energy of ethanol may be debated, there is no debate about the energetics of hydrogen. Made from fossil fuels, hydrogen is a net energy loser.

While we're on the net energy issue, a few words about the ubiquitous David Pimentel. No article about ethanol is complete without a negative comment from Pimentel. David is a distinguished professor who believes corn ethanol uses more fossil fuels in its production than it displaces. It's certainly fair to quote him. He is a highly credible source.

But in 2005, a scientific journal published a new study by Pimentel and his collaborator, Tad Patzek. The study concluded that while corn-derived ethanol was a slight net energy loser, the energetics of biodiesel and ethanol made from cellulose were far worse.

The conversation about net energy went on as if nothing new had been added. The enemy was still corn. Pimentel and Patzek's conclusion that other crops were much worse than corn as sources of transportation fuels, was filtered out. My old psychology professor called this process cognitive dissonance. We screen out what doesn't gibe with preconceived notions. We hate corn. We don't hate soybeans or grasses. Therefore the negative things Pimentel and Patzek said about corn we consider authoritative. Their negative comments about soybeans and grasses we ignore.


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Ethanol is a negative source of energy!
Posted by: Darkly on Jun 13, 2007 1:30 AM   
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Ethanol is not a "cheap fuel" in fact it takes more energy to produce it than you get out of it. Farms deplete and take up a lot a natural recources. Manpower, water, fertilizers that run off in the streams, gasoline for tracters, trucks ect and electricity to process the stuff.
Even worse it drives up the price of all the other foods. Instead of this food going to your grocery store it goes into gasoline. The government encourages this scam by offering government substities making cotton, carrot and other farmers switch to corn for the increase in profit which raises the price of all other farmed goods to.

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» ur both wrong Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: ur both wrong ...oh really Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Sugar! Posted by: jasonk
Pfft!
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Jun 13, 2007 3:22 AM   
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Guess you told him!

The reasons for not persuing an ethanol future are like the reasons for not doing coal liquifaction, these reasons being serious enough to push wind and solar as a real means of addressing two large problems for now and the future: a clean environment and energy.

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» Could you elaborate Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» RE: Could you elaborate Posted by: gazooks
» Thanks! Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» RE: Think Small and Unobtrusive Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: Pfft!... exactly... Posted by: channing
RE: We love corn...
Posted by: EinMD on Jun 13, 2007 10:25 AM   
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I would LOVE to work closer to home. Except for the fact that my job is in area where ghetto class homes are going for insane freaking prices. I couldn't afford to get a home near my job. I'd like to see you find something decent near the DC/BALT metro area that's not in a damned demilitarized zone. I'm not working at McDonalds, but at the same token I'm not some rich senator taking kickbacks from the oil industry either. In truth, I'm just about making ends meet most of the time. Except when oil starts going up because some fucktard in the government wants to bomb some country so his rich oil pals can make $40 billion in a quarter.

So I ended up with a home I could afford that's forty fricken miles away from my work. Because that was what I could afford that wasn't in a neighborhood where I had to worry if my kid was going to get shot in a driveby on the way home. I didn't take that house because I wanted to waste gas. I took that home because I was tired of flushing money down the toilet in a crappy ass 1 bedroom apartment for $800 a month.

So don't give me that work closer to home mansion in the burbs bullshit. You're barking up the wrong tree.

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» RE: We love corn... Posted by: edgar_michel
Mileage Tax
Posted by: Sparks56 on Jun 13, 2007 2:25 PM   
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"Everyone should work closer to home, or pay extra to drive so far to your mansions in the outer burbs."
Good idea! How about a mileage tax, factored by the weight of the vehicle, for non-commercial travel.

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Give Birth Control a Chance
Posted by: socialpsych on Jun 13, 2007 3:33 AM   
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Even shifting from corn to other plant material to make cellulosic ethanol will be a disaster. Once lowly grasses and weeds are comodified, hungry and desperate humans all over the world will be ripping up every green thing they can find to convert to ethanol. Soon the planet will be denuded. A primary prevention approach is to reduce energy demand by reducing the size of the population. Environmentalists need to stop shilling for corporate interests and get real about the unsustainability of even the current human population level.

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» You hit the nail on the head! Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» RE: You hit the nail on the head! Posted by: socialpsych
» Bull's Eye!! Posted by: Sparks56
a wacky idea...
Posted by: uluro on Jun 13, 2007 3:57 AM   
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to grow corn to make ethanol to run our cars on? This is nuts!

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xtiml
Posted by: xtiml on Jun 13, 2007 4:30 AM   
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you are an idiot to grow enough corn to fuel even 50% of cars is a unimaginable.plus all the other considerations.

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xtiml
Posted by: xtiml on Jun 13, 2007 4:32 AM   
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ford made the model T to run on hemop oil , till the oil companies had it outlawed with reefer madness and tall tales, thats how bad we are manipulated.

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» RE: xtiml Right ON!! Posted by: Dankhank
What you can't eat, you burn?
Posted by: collery on Jun 13, 2007 4:37 AM   
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The US and rich countries already eat a disproportionate amount of the world's resources and burn a lot more. Now they are proposing burning food while others starve, or die of thirst or diseases spread by poor water supply and sanitation.

Have you ever considered ways of using less of everything, or that you have been squandering the world's resources?

You make a lot of interesting points, one about farmers producing primary goods. But there are entire countries that produce mainly primary goods for rich countries. US farmers are subsidised but many unsubsidised poorer countries can't compete, even though they produce cheap primary goods for the US and other rich countries.

To make matters worse, or perhaps as a sick joke, the US lectures these poorer countries on free trade!

The problem is not just water, food, resource and land shortage and sustainability, the problem is also distribution, access and affordability. There may well be plenty of all these resources but the world's population don't have equal access to them.

You make vague, sweeping mentions of 'global' things but do you really recognise that the US is just one country and the whole world is many times bigger than the US? Of course, the US looks a lot bigger when you look at it in terms of consumption, but that is the very problem, OVER-CONSUMPTION.

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Forget ethanol. Butanol FTW.
Posted by: chomsky on Jun 13, 2007 5:14 AM   
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http://www.butanol.com/
Butanol, an alcohol produced by fermentation of sugars and cellulose, would be much better suited to replace gasoline then ethanol.

It's non-corrosive, unlike ethanol.
Butanols energy density is much closer to gasoline. Which means a much less drop in fuel efficiency.
It can be blended much more easily with gasoline.
And it's not hydrophilic, also unlike ethanol. Ethanols absorption of water makes for a problem with engines.

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how is it not about net energy?
Posted by: mnlefty on Jun 13, 2007 5:43 AM   
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I thought the point of alternatives to oil was to find SUSTAINABLE energy sources. Clearly, if the process to make ethanol uses more energy than the ethanol provides, that is not a good thing. Unwritten rule? I think using 3 gallons of gas to produce 1 gallon of alternative gas is just a bad idea. And I don't have to be negatively predisposed to whatever that alternative is to know that.

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Corn-based ethanol = "let them eat cake"
Posted by: pgj1949 on Jun 13, 2007 5:43 AM   
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Not only does corn-based ethanol apparently not result in a net gain in energy, but it is based upon using a food stuff to move people around.
We are, in our use of energy, the most profligate people in the world. Filling the tanks of our Humvees with corn-based ethanol would provide the hungry multitudes of the world with yet another image of our indifference to whether or not they even survive.
Feeding people should come before running cars.

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how could he not address global warming?
Posted by: beckybond on Jun 13, 2007 5:53 AM   
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morris didn't mention the phrase "global warming" a single time in this article. any attempt to address our energy crisis that doesn't take into account the harrowing implications of global warming is irresponsible at best.

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Converting food into ethonal is stupid and selfish.
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 13, 2007 5:59 AM   
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Human beings can eat corn but not weeds. To keep more poor people in America from going hungry, only nonedible biomass material should be converted to ethonol -- period!

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» Incorrect Posted by: ShadowDweller
» RE: Incorrect Posted by: ShadowDweller
» And futhermore..... Posted by: mdruss42
means and ends
Posted by: solrev on Jun 13, 2007 6:10 AM   
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The government of the US has evolved into a money laundering entity. A sound energy policy that will control and eventually eliminate pollution is not the goal of the current government. The goal is to redistribute money to the most powerful interests groups who can buy the most votes. However, I like the performance – prescriptive distinction. The government should specify the end and let the market economy supply the means. The alternative is to control the market means to produce an outcome. Unfortunately controlling the market means has become the outcome.

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blinks
Posted by: blincks on Jun 13, 2007 6:13 AM   
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Picture a planet where every available surface was covered in corn. That's about how much corn it would take to replace fossil fuel. Nice thought, eh?

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Kitchen Cynic
Posted by: larry278 on Jun 13, 2007 6:33 AM   
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Note that the comments above mention the cost involved in the use of nonrenewable fue to make biofuels is roughly 3 liters of nonrenewable fuel [coal, oil, etc] to make 1 liter of bio fuel; there is the interesting fact that the price of corn is going up because corn, which could be used to feed people & livestock to feed people, is being bought by makers of biofuel & is causing the price of food, from corn flakes to sirloin, to go up rapidly. That is working a hardship on poor people. It isn't hard to see that the smaller locally owned biofuel generation plants will be less efficient than larger regional plants & the owners of the larger plants will buy out & close the locally owned plants in the name of efficiency; biofuel will be produced at larger regional plants, not the locally owned county plant. There will be lay-offs & bankrupcies as the process of consolidation goes on.
Your cure will 'kill' many & create a flock of incurable conditions. Rethink you conclusions.

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» RE: Kitchen Cynic Posted by: EinMD
the realities of modern agriculture
Posted by: mnolte on Jun 13, 2007 6:36 AM   
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As a farm kid who grew up in Iowa, I would like to remind people that the "food" you are worried about burning is not the true story. It is not like ethanol is taking potatoes, carrots or rice out of the food system. Yellow corn, the kind ethanol is made from currently has two uses: 1) it is grown to fatten livestock (a tremendously wasteful and environmental detriment and 2) to make High Fructose Corn Syrup as acknowledged by the writer has a strong correlation to the rise in obesity since its creation. The food prices that rise will be meat and junk foods if more corn is used for ethanol. Now, I agree, it is far from a perfect tradeoff and I am hopefull that Algae and other sources can be commercially viable soon for biofuels. In the mean time however, please remember that farmers are finally crawling out of debt and poverty with ethanol. No wars need be fought and it burns with less greenhouse emission that petroleum. Its not perfect, but its a hell of a lot better than oil. Don't demonize, tolerate it and accept it until the next improvement and innovation is realized.

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» maybe Posted by: brasilaron
» RE: maybe...NO NUCLEAR? Posted by: sasquuatch55
Ethanol crazy
Posted by: gdonald on Jun 13, 2007 6:46 AM   
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Ethanol fuel from corn is currently driving corn prices so high that farmers can't afford to buy corn for livestock. Corn seeds have also gone high. The energy required to produce ethanol is far beyond the rate of return for the energy that you get from ethanol. That's the problem with wacky environmentalists.

The scientific approach to any alternative fuel must be complete with the study of all costs of energy to produce the final fuel. Only when all the energy costs of making an alternative fuel are less then the costs of petroleum energy, will we have a true alternative. What we have now is just academics designed to make environmentalists feel good with no regard to how much damage they do outside of their little circles.

It's back to the drawing boards.

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» Everyone seems to forget Posted by: gdonald
Not a good idea
Posted by: heraclitus on Jun 13, 2007 7:03 AM   
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1. Arguing that critics of biofuels are passionate and have many arguments does not make the case that the arguments are wrong, as is implied.

2. Pitting food for the brown against mobility for the white is, to use the old word, wicked. Arguing the clout of the agribusinesses is to say it's possible, not right. And, unless you believe in permanent empire, it's unsustainable as well as wicked.

3. From where I sit there seems to be a concerted effort from the corprastructure to focus attention on anything *but* wind and solar technologies. Makes me wonder what a few years of truly focused and well-funded research might do for these paradigm-upsetting energy sources.

By the way, energy doesn't require molecules. Energy requires energy, and one way to get it is by making complex molecules simple by burning 'em. Only you get more things out than energy and harmless simple molecules.

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» RE: Not a good idea Posted by: lukehawk
» RE: Not a good idea Posted by: EinMD
And not a word devoted to public transportation
Posted by: sausage on Jun 13, 2007 7:00 AM   
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Dave Morris' essay on corn-based ethanol shows his Midwestern bias. But, hey! we love our ethanol. We love it so much that construction of corn-based ethanol distilleries is beginning to look like a speculative bubble, as it may yet prove.

Cellulosic biofuel crops, especially switchgrass, may be a better alternative. Switchgrass, unlike corn, is a perennial. And it can be burned to produce electricity with no more processing than bailing.

Yet in all the discussion concerning biofuels, alternative energy sources, improved gas mileage standards and so on, the call for decent, inexpensive public transportation is muted and talk of stopping urban sprawl nonexistant.

Out here in the Midwest urban sprawl is a blight that no one is discussing, much less doing anything about. It is far, far easier for a real estate developer to buy up cropland from the aging farmer, whose adult children work, play and live in the city, and build houses than redevelop the inner city.

Another issue that never gets discussed is, when, and if, all these wonderful federal laws are passed to improve automoblie fleet gasoline mileage and use alternative biofuels, say E85, only the wealthy and upper reaches of the middle class will be able to afford such vehicles. The working and non-working poor will be relegated to driving high mileage, heavily polluting junkers.

Look, the national average price for a 2007 Toyota Prius is $22,556. And if I were yet working I'd have one. But I'm disabled, so I have to keep my 1997 Ford Ranger, which I fuel up with 10% ethanol blend, running and in good working order for years to come.

The whole discussion of alterntive fuels has a distinctly white, suburban ring to it. And as the middle class keeping losing economic ground I foresee, in the not too distant future, a time when formerly middle class citizens will find themselves stranded in a suburban hell, out of work and out of gasoline with no viable transportation alternative.

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The Big Corn Con
Posted by: jim_altman on Jun 13, 2007 7:13 AM   
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Living here in the midst of America's cornfields, just down wind from a prototype ethanol plant, I have many reasons to wish it was all true, but it's not. As far as I can discern, the whole bio-fuel industry, especially corn-based ethanol is an elaborate ponzi scheme propped up by shifting tax revenues and the promises of better things still to come. As long as we don't ask too many questions, everything seems fine. But, just like any ponzi scheme, as soon as the cash flow gets interrupted or dries up, the whole thing collapses like a house of cards. Look at reality. Corn-based ethanol can't begin to sustain our fossil fuel based economy. The supposed boon to corn farmers is already being eaten up by big agribusiness. The boost to corn and fertilzer prices will drive up every other food price. The demand for bio-fuel will create an artificial famine for most of the southern hemisphere and further inflame terrorism. Wasting money on biofuel research only detracts from the necessity to develop non-fossil fuel alternatives. Some very clever individuals have found a way to siphon public funds into their private pockets for something that they know full well will never work. The inconvenient truth is that bio-fuel is a big lie.

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Wake Up People.
Posted by: ecoalex on Jun 13, 2007 7:13 AM   
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I wrote Sen Reid, promoting gas mileage efficiency is fine, but America must stop burning fuels for transportation.Why don't we try something that will work, is here now, and doesn't produce CO2; solar. Congress should allow tax credits, or rebates for everyone, not the corps and rich, by promoting solar charging at home of electric cars, and plug in hybrids.Why dooesn't Congess reduce the use of oil? Because we're best at stealing Iraq's oil using our young's lives.Blood for oil is more palitable to Congress than promoting clean transportation.Old thinking, barberism is Congress forte`, not progressive thinking that would eliminate oil, and wars for oil.Sad.Write your reps, and Sen Reid, tell them you want to get off the oil teat,and wars for oil, tell them you want tax breaks to go to you for solar charging of electric cars and plug in hybrids, not to the oil cos with bloated profits as they gouge us, and cause wars for oil.

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Let's not forget health concerns
Posted by: thistleblower on Jun 13, 2007 7:17 AM   
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Yes, there are emissions problems unlike that with gas. Asthmatics have been shown to be very sensitive to ethanol emissions, and those with alllergies will find ethanol fumes to exacerbate existing problems.

I agree with most of the comments- it's unconscionable to prop up the corn industry when we could be using that arable land to produce food for export to needly populations in this and other countries. I don't know why people think the lowest quality food available is perfectly fine for the poor. I think it's a disgrace. If anyone, the poor need nutritious food, and there is nothing more nutritious than fresh produce.

As for the fuel crisis, I don't give a flying fuck. America needs mass transit, more solar and wind-powered metro areas, bike-friendly neighborhoods and a suburban system that allows for self-sustaining communities: neighborhood gardens and workplace programs that allow the poor to get a leg up. We don't need ethanol to ween us off the petroleum baby bottle. we need to get real about our problems and live up to our potential as linguistic creatures, communicate peacefully and rise above our reptilian programming, which is, sad to say, the norm for this species at the moment. Ooh, big things blow up! Bad men want to hurt Hulk for being free Hulk! Hulk want to hurt them, forever and ever! Is that the best we can do?

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I Absolutely LOVE Driving with Ethanol
Posted by: browta on Jun 13, 2007 7:18 AM   
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When I first bought my flex fuel vehicle, I didn't pay it much mind. After I started seeing it offered around the area I thought I might as well try it.

Having heard negative things to say I thought I would see what I could find out about it, I would rather not make things worse by using it. What I've found is that ethanol from corn represents a net gain in energy of 25% according to the state of Minnesota and as much as 35% if we look to the state of Illinois. Given that there's about a 20% reduction in the amount of energy a gallon of E85 has, that merely means I have to make more stops at the gas station. For example, if I fill up weekly, now I have to fill up 1.2 times a week.

The economic point is awesome! I love that most of the money I'm paying for fuel stays in my state and doesn't go over seas to fund Middle Eastern billionaires and their private 747's jet setting around the world simply because they happen to sit on oil.

That brings up the 2nd point, farmers are not in the business of feeding the world, they are producing a commodity. That means they are finally getting a fair price for their corn crop.

What I'm wondering about is when flex fuel technology will be combined with hybrid technology. Now that would be awesome! I think of the costs of commuting in time - a great portion is spent idling and burning fuel for no reason. With hybrid technology I wouldn't be burning that fuel and would be able to make ethanol do more.

Ultimately economics will force users of corn derived products to find alternatives. That might mean using soybean husks to feed livestock. Heck, the Wall Street Journal had an article detailing how farmers in Pennsylvania were using the reject candy bars from Hershey to feed livestock.

At the very least, as an adopter of the fuel, I'm helping fund the continuing research into alternatives such as prairie grass or switchgrass.

Thank you for the article.

Troy

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» lol!!! Posted by: sausage
Ok...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 13, 2007 7:28 AM   
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Where do you find the land, the water, and the pesticides and fertilizers necessary (no way you are going this scale of industrialized farming organically) to grow enough corn.. or any other crop for that matter, to fuel our gross overconsumption of fuel????

How do you then deal with the environmental impact of doing all of this if you find some way to do it????

Its not WHAT we are putting in the tanks, folks... its the fact that we are putting anything in tanks to begin with.. much less on the scale we are doing it.

There is no technological solution simply because each new piece of technology gives us more new problems than it solves.

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Blah Blah Blah
Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Jun 13, 2007 8:02 AM   
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This sure was an awful long article considering the author never even addressed the net loss of energy reported by so many, and that is the main issue regarding ethanol. If he really wanted to convince me that monocropping corn, using massive amounts of water, depleting soil resources and subsidizing all this by the taxpayer is a good thing, he should have addressed the energy balance and told us why the scientists who claim ethanol production is a net energy loss are wrong. I would have read that with an open mind, but the author failed to address the main issues surrounding ethanol production using corn.
Also, I am very disappointed that the author goes on and on but never once mentions the importance of Unitedstatesians changing their environmentally-destructive lifestyles. He never says what a joke supposedly decreasing our petroleum dependence using ethanol (of course he ignores the inputs once again) is, when we continue to selfishly drive gas-guzzling SUVs just to keep up with the Joneses. A society in which it is prestigious to destroy the environment on which future societies will depend is a truly sick society. God bless Amerika (and nobody else!)
We as a society need to diversify our agriculture. Further commitment to monocropping corn is bullshit. We need to quit being glutons and drive less, use public transportation where possible, live closer to work, and when we drive, not drive gas guzzlers that we don't need, just to impress our friends. We need to start giving a damn, plain and simple. Ethanol is just another excuse to continue our glutony, and now all of us will be subsidizing this glutony, oh joy!

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» RE: Blah Blah Blah.....well said Posted by: sasquuatch55
Local ownership???
Posted by: dchabot on Jun 13, 2007 8:17 AM   
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"Local ownership benefits rural areas" yeah. But do you really belive this will happen? I'm not sure big corps will like the idea.

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Good Article
Posted by: Frank J. on Jun 13, 2007 8:29 AM   
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As I read through this article I was pleased with the level headed and comprehensive approach Morris took with the problems surrounding biofuels and energy consumption in this country and world wide.
As a farmer I'm uncomfortable with the longterm impact of corn based ethanol. While it does cost more in energy terms to produce each gallon of this fuel, we fail to point out that it also takes more gallons to produce a gallon of fossil based gasoline.
I'm largely disappointed with the level of comment in the forum. Instead of addressing the six points Morris raised in his article it seem many are using this as a electronic soap box to reassert useless rhetoric.
I guess I'm eternally optimistic that forums like this will increase the level of debate. Once again I'm disappointed. Don't bother to respond, I'm not reading these anymore

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Rush to corn-based ethanol = tortilla prices skyrocket for the poor of Mexico city
Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 13, 2007 8:33 AM   
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Rush to corn-based ethanol = tortilla prices skyrocket for the poor of Mexico city.

In a perfect world where we don't hack down rainforests in Brasil to plant corn for ethanol, Ethanol would be better than petroleum in some ways, but we need to stop burning things for energy. "Burning things" is another way of saying "oxidizing carbons" which can come from hydrocarbons or carbohydrates, and the process of oxidizing carbon is what creates carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide.

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It's The Water, Stupid!
Posted by: TarryFaster on Jun 13, 2007 8:53 AM   
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We are rapidly running out of water for our current crop of crops -- and few are even taking note:

"In the United States, the loss of irrigation water is making it more difficult for farmers to respond to the future import needs of other countries. In the southern Great Plains, for example, the irrigated area has shrunk by 24 percent since 1980. Leading agricultural states such as Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas are among those most affected by falling water tables.

In a rational world, falling water tables would trigger alarm, setting in motion a series of government actions to reduce demand and reestablish a stable balance with the sustainable supply. Unfortunately, not a single government appears to have done this. Official responses to falling water tables have been consistently belated and grossly inadequate."

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» Yep! Posted by: WhuThe?!?
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» RE: It's The Water, Stupid! Posted by: sasquuatch55
A totally invalid argument
Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Jun 13, 2007 9:01 AM   
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The author makes a big deal about David Pimentel, who has exposed corn-grain-based ethanol as a net energy loss, saying that the energetics of biodiesel and celloluse are worse. He insinuates that, because of this claim, that people should now concentrate their energy against these energy sources, but instead keep picking on poor 'ol corn. I could take this author much more serious if he'd make a valid argument, let me explain.
The "conversation about net energy went on as if nothing new had been added" BECAUSE nothing new had been added regarding corn. David Pimentel never said that since soydiesel and cellulose-based ethanol are less efficient that corn is now efficient. Al contrario! Corn remains a net loss. Corn remains the mainstream monocrop that we the taxpayers are being duped into subsidizing at a much, much, much higher rate than other biofuels. Just because other bio-energy sources are even worse doesn't make corn grain as an energy source good. Corn grain as a fuel source remains a threat to the environment and to those who will pay more for their food so that Unitedstatesians can continue their glutonous lifestyles. Fidel Castro has, with good reason, even argued that this could lead to starvation.
I get the impression the author thinks Alternet readers are as naive as the general population. His argument insinuating that since soydiesel and cellulose-based ethanol are even more energy inefficient than corn grain ethanol we should just ignore the inefficiencies and wastefulness of corn, is very invalid.

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Forget ethanol
Posted by: scmp on Jun 13, 2007 9:26 AM   
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And hydrogen too. It takes decades to develop an ethanol and/or hydrogen infrastructure after the technology is developed. Electricity is already here and so is the infrastructure for it. Develop plug in hybrids, EV's and the frigging GM Volt. Then we will install solar panels on our roofs and wind turbines. 5 years max. Ethanol and hydrogen will be controlled by the Big Oil; they've had enough.

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