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Neocon II: Lie Hard with a Vengeance

By Matt Taibbi, Adbusters. Posted June 15, 2007.


Despite the walloping defeat of the Republicans in the 2006 midterm elections that seemed to spell the end of neocon rule in Washington, the clowns are once again spilling out of the Volkswagen.
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Call it the Leslie Nielsen effect. Your first attempt at a show-biz career fizzles out and dies, but your failure is so quirky and charming that it wins you a whole second career. Think Robert Goulet, Bill Shatner, even John Travolta. America loves a brave second act, particularly one that doesn't mind doing a take or two with egg still on his face.

What the Zucker brothers did for actors, the neocons are now doing for politics. In the first six years of the Bush presidency the administration's ideological nucleus -- a tribe of humorless conservative revolutionaries led by Dick Cheney and including the likes of Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith and Elliott Abrams -- racked up a startling record in matters of official policy. From their juking of the case for the Iraq War to their Jacobin-esque purges within the government's intelligence apparatus to their paranoid and sometimes criminal fragging of political enemies great and minor, the neoconservatives working for George Bush botched virtually every important move they made in the last six years.

Moreover, each time they used the presidency's bully pulpit to make a prediction, be it about the post-invasion spread of democracy in the Middle East, the utility of Iraqi oil revenues in financing the occupation, or the chilling effect our presence in Iraq would have on Palestinian resolve, more or less exactly the opposite ended up taking place.

And yet, despite the walloping defeat of the Republicans in the 2006 midterm elections that seemed to spell the end of neocon rule in Washington, the clowns are once again spilling out of the Volkswagen. Lately the neocons seem to be all over the public airwaves, and not as the targets of purgative public flogging or tarring ceremonies, but as the subjects of serious interviews, with respected journalists treating them like real human beings with real opinions. Even worse, a few are still in office, and appear to be cooking up a last-minute encore before the curtain finally comes down in '08.

Richard Perle, the former head of the Defense Policy Board, known in the Beltway as the "Prince of Darkness," has been on TV a lot lately in a much-publicized public spat with former CIA director George Tenet, who recently accused Perle of targeting Iraq days after 9/11. John Bolton, former UN-hating ambassador to the UN, recently won the Bradley Prize for "outstanding intellectual achievement" -- achievement that presumably includes helping make the case for the Iraq disaster and support for a future invasion of Iran. In his acceptance speech, Bolton cheekily credited Tehran, Pyongyang and other rogue nations for his success, thanking them just for "being themselves." And while Scooter Libby crashed at trial, Doug Feith soft-landed into a tenure track at Georgetown, where he will now teach history, a subject he spent the past five years or so violently misinterpreting.

he neocons remain a bold presence in the media for a number of reasons. Number one, they still have real political power. Dick Cheney is still the vice president, and the Pentagon is still guided heavily by the neocon-dominated Office of Special Plans (OSP), where the power is now reportedly concentrated in an office called the Iranian Directorate, charged with helping make the case for war with Iran. Amid all the public hand-wringing about a congressional demand for an Iraq withdrawal timeline, Washington is abuzz with rumors that the neocons are loading up for one last historical Hail Mary, a "long bomb" to throw at Tehran before Bush leaves office. The knowledge that they are crazy enough to try something like that makes people in the capital take them seriously.


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Matt Taibbi is a contributing editor to Rolling Stone magazine. His book, Smells Like Dead Elephants, is due out next year.

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As long as the corporations rule
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jun 15, 2007 12:27 AM   
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The fascists will have their say.

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Is this not obvous?
Posted by: Rune on Jun 15, 2007 12:53 AM   
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Look, most of the people mentioned were recycled from previously disgraced administrations. Of course they are recycled. Just ask media pundit and convicted felon, Ollie North. Or Kissinger--seems the only thing that made him go away for even a little while was a few wives of 9/11 victims asking about his ties to bin Laden and the Saudis that he could not bare to made public when he was named to head up Bush's sham 9/11 Commission (although being accused of multiple war crimes doesn't seem to slow him down at all).

Maybe we should learn from that. The only way to get these criminals to actually get out of the way is to directly confront them whenever and wherever they go. Clearly fellow political players from the so-called opposition won't do it when they are supposed to be conducting confirmation hearings, and the media are too busy dressing them up for show and tell to be honest about what a bunch of losers they are.

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» Not an exercise in futility Posted by: Sum Won
» RE: Not an exercise in futility Posted by: Lincoln fan
4.5
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 15, 2007 3:10 AM   
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The last paragraph sums it up nicely, about the American psyche.

We know the neocons are no good for us, but we keep going back to them. And as the empire continues to crumble, and our collective self-esteem becomes more pathetic and desperate, our psychological need for them will remain strong...And there they'll be, leaning against their souped-up toys, saying: "Hey, Baby...Wanna go for a ride?"

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Resisting the Drums of War
Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Jun 15, 2007 3:31 AM   
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From a psychological perspective, the Bush/Cheney administration and its neocon allies succeeded in promoting the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting our core concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, they will likely try to sell us a continuing occupation of Iraq—or an attack on Iran—in much the same way. I examine these warmongering appeals and how to counter them in a new 10-minute video entitled "Resisting the Drums of War." It's available for viewing on YouTube HERE.

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Neo-Conflicts
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 15, 2007 3:35 AM   
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Over forty years ago, there was a Broadway musical starring Julie Harris and the recently deceased, Charles Nelson Reilly called, "Skyscraper". The show was pretty much a flop and closed after only 250 curtains. Despite its failure, Skyscraper did produce one m,emotable hit: a song called, "Everybody Has The Right To be Wrong:

It's naive to make believe that you're right
It's not bright
Only fools go walking on thin ice,
Twice

Hearing that line, how can one not be reminded of these neo-con fools? They have been wrong about ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING!!! And watching people take them seriously while they make believe they have been right about everything is funny and disturbing all-at-once.

Let's get a pool going: How many of these people are going to die in federal prison?

Any takers?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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As I said on NAU article: Conspiracies exist within Class interests.
Posted by: Perfectclue on Jun 15, 2007 4:03 AM   
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Yes, conspiracies, and class elites, from several national interests, both Fascists Amerikans, and Israeli/Zionist thugs, do in fact conspire to carry out aggression, nuclear aggression against Iran with false theories, made up facts, lies, just as they did in Iraq.

These right wing, Nazi, fascsist Jews, Zionist pigs, who have loyalties to both Amerikan Empire and Likudist Israeli policies, are war criminals, and they should have been tried alongside the Executive, Legislative, both Democrats and Republicans, and Judicial war criminals, complicit class thugs, including the corporate media and its class whores/thugs. We have all three branches participating in this fascism and zionism and many war criminals.

The conspiracy between AIPAC, the Israeli lobby and these Zionist fascists, and Amerikan elites, includes the support of Democratic hacks like Hillary, Obama, Edwards and most of the democratic party establishment, which grovels at the feet of Israeli fascism as well as ours. The democrats are willing co-conspirators with these Nazis, Zionists, in the service of Empire and class interests, oligarchy. They, along with the corporate media, especially that rotten NPR, Zionist trashcan of expert idiots, will be the cheerleaders for another Holocaust. Amerikans and Israeli nationalists, and liberal class whores have learned nothing from German corporate fascism, and the corruption of middle classes as shock troops for Empire. We defeated fascism militarily, but we embraced its ideology, corporate state, and corporate fascism, as the norm for Global class rule. We need a revolutionary ideas, revolutionary change, to clean out the fascist rot of these clowns, thugs, servile asses.

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» RE: Almost Classless! Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
the final solution revolution
Posted by: solrev on Jun 15, 2007 4:45 AM   
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"pre-emptive invasion,"

When I first heard that America had adapted “the first strike policy in our best interest”, I was totally shocked. In my America “we do not start it, we finish it”. I believed that was who the American people were. Even with a government playing dominos or oil monopoly and invading countries, I believed that. Where have all the Americans gone long time passing? How did a nation, which brought a light of freedom to this planet, become a nation of well-fed slaves? The neocons did not hijack the government. The whole democratic process has been hijacked. American idol or democratic process, that’s entertainment. The whole is no longer greater than the sum of the parts.

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» RE: the final solution revolution Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: the final solution revolution Posted by: kelly.nickell
Code blue, North America. Code blue, North America.
Posted by: ssegallmd on Jun 15, 2007 5:07 AM   
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A nation, or more properly, a government, can be compared to a living organism like any one of ourselves. It has a beginning and an end delimiting its either short or long lifetime. It is composed of multiple interlocking systems (judiciary – executive - legislative vs. cardio-pulmonary – renal/metabolic - digestive) each of which comprises a collection of subsets (executive = state – defense – treasury vs. digestive = intestine + liver + pancreas). When healthy, they both are dynamic systems that consume resources, make waste byproducts, grow, develop, and repair themselves.

Just another few words to develop the technical metaphor. If a healthy person suddenly develops heart failure, (s)he needs to accumulate fluid to maintain an adequate cardiac output. The body compensates using several systems to increase total body water to help the heart (there is also such a thing as going too far collecting fluid). The mind feels thirst. The kidneys cut back on urine production. The vessels constrict – all conspiring to offset the weak heart.

On the other hand, if an otherwise healthy person develops kidney failure, he begins accumulating excess fluid and accumulates waste products like acids. The body compensates by hyperventilating to remove acid.

And if the lungs fail by themselves, the kidneys excrete accumulating CO2 as the heart speeds up to deliver blood to them faster, and the hemoglobin releases more oxygen for the tissues.

The point is that the living organism’s systems are intertwined and mutually dependent for support during times of failure and adaptation / repair.

Likewise with a nation. A problem in the military like recruiting can be offset with enlistment incentives and calls to patriotism. A police problem like the LAPD’s brutality can be countered with the justice department.

The patient with the worst prognosis is the one with the most systems in failure at once. Imagine what it means to have the heart, lungs and kidneys all fail after a massive heart attack that weakens the heart, fills the lungs with fluid, and shocks and stuns the kidney. Each system damaged and must fix itself without the usual outside support from other systems.

Now back to the case of Lady Liberty. She’s overrun with neocons. If that was the only problem, the press would swing into play castigating them and appropriately worsening their public perception, and the voters would run them out of them office discredited. This can be thought of as the immune system of the national organism to opportunistic (fascist) infections.

But look what happened. The press failed to warn the public during the campaign that Bush was inadequate for the office. Instead, they berated Gore (then Kerry). The courts were already sick (packed with neocon supporters like Scalia, Rehnquist and Thomas) and they named the neocon president. The people are another system that is expected to behave in its own best self-interest with indignation and a remedy. But they failed, too, instead giving the neocons about half of their votes again in 2004 in the face of gross incompetence and corruption. They didn’t look past Fox News, and they failed as citizens.

Multisystem failure: the military is ailing and has no reserve, the economy is straining at the seams and can’t tolerate much bad news, the Courts and Congress have failed, FEMA failed, the people are a failure as citizens. There’s no obvious vitality in any of these systems, and they are letting one another down. The courts wont protect the voting process. The Congress won’t defund the president’s war. The media won’t inform the people. The people won’t inform themselves. No opposition arises in the Democratic Party (or elsewhere).

This is ominous.

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Corporate Cannibalism
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jun 15, 2007 6:02 AM   
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The moment we elevated Corporations to the level of human beings, and equated campaign contributions as an expression of free speech, we sacrificed Democracy.

Capitalism and Corporatism are perpetual meat grinders that gobble up human beings for fuel.

We have sacrificed humanity for profit.

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» RE: Corporate Cannibalism Posted by: Ahimsa
the problem is in the nervous system
Posted by: mwildfire on Jun 15, 2007 6:28 AM   
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I want to play with the above analogy; the key problem that has brought about this critical condition is an infection in the nervous sytem. The interaction between systems that must happen for the body to defend itself depends on information flow, operating along the nerves and the brain.In the American body politic, infective agents have crept into that nervous system and sent false "okay" signals down the line.
What is the nervous sytem of a modern democracy? the mass media, on which we rely for information. And what are these agents of infection? PR companies, the FCC, and court decisions allowing large private corporations to control the flow of information of which voters depend to make informed choices--including the choice to be content with voting every four years, as though that were the only responsibility of a citizen.
There are only five or six enormous media conglomerates in the US now, and they all have ties to each other and to other huge businesses, notably weapons manufacturing. It's clearly in the corporate interest to promote wars, to undermine unions, to demonize world leaders who offer a competing vision, to suppress moves toward closing the whorehouse in DC and replacing it with a Congress that answers to the human people rather than the corporate "persons."
Each person working for a PR agency is one cell of the virus attacking the human race--but of course they don't see it that way. "I'm only doing my job," says the woman who works to dampen criticism of the corporate client caught in bribery scandals, or whose product is causing early deaths or poisoning rivers. Each time people working for low pay in NGO organizations struggle to correct these harms, their efforts are undermined by those well-paid people who are "only doing their job." Sometimes the reformers win--but the overall war is going to the virus, to the corporations. As a result, we will see a much smaller human race struggling to survive on a ravaged Earth. Unless we find a way to snuff out the virus...

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Opposition must be silenced at all costs... right?
Posted by: Therewolf on Jun 15, 2007 7:16 AM   
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I consider myself a free thinker... a bit of a radical when it comes to being a conservative. Yes, by nature, I'm conservative. I walk in lockstep with no one. I value free speech.

But I come here and see all of the free speech proponents who cry out for those with different opinions to be silenced, and I wonder... what's the difference in parties/ideals?

These people are "real people" and they do have "real opinions". You may not like them, but that's beside the point. There are plenty failed politicians giving their view of the day's issues on every network - with every agenda.

Should this country only allow the positions that you agree with? Should the United States become what you detest... an autocracy that does not allow for discussion? Would you become what you hate in order to achieve your goals? Ends justifies the means, you know.

Think about this when you wish someone "snuffed" or "silenced" or call them a virus that must be destroyed. For all of your over-the-top rhetoric, colorful metaphors and preachy, self-righteous prose, you advocate silencing any opposing view.

Welcome to the establishment.

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“Neocons"
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jun 15, 2007 7:25 AM   
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I object to Matt’s use of the word “Neocon,” in describing the culprits for all the Republican crimes perpetrated on America, and the world.

Republicans, and damn near all of them, are behind, in front of, and carrying this culture of death ideology on their shoulders.

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» RE: “Neocons" Posted by: shangrilalad
Ominous DC Drummings
Posted by: Tefech on Jun 15, 2007 7:52 AM   
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The unrelenting winds of war from the Washington neocon windmill are utterly frightening and should be moving the protesting citizenry into the streets. Are Cheney-Bush and company prepared to leave office and slip quietly into the night? Or are they plotting to remain in power long past 2008?
Refusing to end the rape of Iraq, rattling sabers in the face of Iran, continuing to expand the so-called "war on terror", they appear bent on creating the very catastrophic emergency they need to preserve "Continuity of Government" by invoking the provisions of the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (May 9, 2007).
No, I do not believe we have yet seen the worst from this administration. They will not slip quietly into the night. Their real intentions are revealed by their megalomania, lies and powerlust.

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Well, the funding hasn't dried up, has it?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 15, 2007 8:44 AM   
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The neocons may have been kicked out of a lot of positions of political importance, but they've all been reabsorbed by the billionaire-funded think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute, the Competetive Enterprise Institute, and so on.

George Lakoff wrote all about this - how the right-wing neocon movement joined forces with the right-wing religious right movement to create a political-economic juggernaut, and the fundamental role that the right-wing think tanks played in all this.

For more, see They’re Back: Neocons Revive the Committee on the Present Danger, This Time Against Terrorism, by Jim Lobe

Lieberman is a neoncon, by the way. Pat Robertson is a religous rightie. This is the fundamental alliance in the Republican party, which has ties to the worst elements of Israeli Zionism as well. The whole enterprise is funded by billionaires like Richard Mellon Scaife and Warren Buffet, who have the same goal they've always had - total control of the world economy via control of energy and information. What else have kings ever wanted?

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These are Israeli partisans, stupid, that’s why Lobby-owned media push them!
Posted by: exhibit on Jun 15, 2007 8:58 AM   
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It is amazing that while being right on most points, Matt seems not to notice that most of neocons not only are Jewish but also acted for decades in what Likud-types perceive as Israeli interest. From Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Libby, and Abrams to Adelman, Brooks, Krauthammer, Safire, Judith Miller and Kristol, to name just a few of the countless activists. This fifth column must be exposed to prevent further damage to our treasure and life. Manipulation of intelligence and public opinion that went into Iraqi enterprise is nothing short of treason of historical proportions. And the Lobby was a crucial factor in ramming the war through. There were other powerful interests involved - emporium-builders/oil securing corporate types, crusaders and political opportunists like brains of our shrub. For the mass media overwhelmingly owned and staffed by the Lobby, a nice bonus was economic value of the reality show entitled The War.

Basic injustice apart, never in the history of the mankind, so many across the world did not suffer so much for so few (fanatic settlers) to gain so little (land and water of the West Bank). Sure, there will be still plenty to deal with, but you cannot start making any progress without decisively addressing that glaring injustice.

In our own backyard, 9/11 is the price we paid for allowing Israeli interest to high-jack US foreign policy. Power of the Lobby shuts down any debate about the main (and stated by terrorists) cause of 9/11, which is occupation of the West Bank with US money and arms. 9/11 was in turn grabbed by the Lobby as an opportunity to destroy the most dangerous enemy of Israel - Saddam's Iraq, as advocated by the familiar characters for years before 9/11. Lies of the White House gang about the Iraq were always transparent. But the biggest factor in this Iraqi/terrorism mess is virtual control of American Legislature, foreign policy and mass media by the Israeli partisans.

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» RE: These are Israeli partisans? Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
Don't count the neocons out.
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 15, 2007 9:00 AM   
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Bush and his lying rightwing pals may be ignorant about history -- Iraqi’s, in particular -- but they are not stupid when it comes to politics.

By next summer, our troops will have been redeployed to areas outside Baghdad where they’ll take fewer casualties, with “converted” insurgents hunting down Al Qaeda fighters made attractive by bounties on their heads. Domestically, Devious Dub-ya will promoting the war on terror like crazy, scaring the crap out of unthinking Americans any way he can.

Regarding Hillary, the presumed 2008 Democratic candidate, she can expect the dirtiest GOP campaign ever against her. As for me, a Vietnam veteran and lifelong registered Republican who supported John Kerry in 2004 but can’t stand the thought of Greed Queen Clinton becoming commander-in-chief, my write-in vote for Ron Paul will be wasted next year. But then, that’s the price of following principles as opposed to sheepherders.

Finally, if you want to help keep Slick Willie and his flyweight understudy from reoccupying the White House in 2009, visit the nonpartisan website: www.STOP-Hillary.com.

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» RE: Don't count the neocons out. Posted by: Lincoln fan
Francis
Posted by: Francis on Jun 15, 2007 9:40 AM   
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The Neocon resilience is attributable to the single factor which has been scrupulously omitted in the article, that being the power of the Jewish lobby. I have witnessed pundits on both sides of the political aisle subtly defending these war profiteering genocidists from attack. From Al Franken and Seymour Hersh on the "left" to the array of predictable defenders on the right, Saffire,Friedman, Crystal, New York Times, Washington Post, well, it would be easier to list those who don't support and protect them.

There are always consequences when wrongdoers are shielded from punishment. One is the enouragment of further criminal activity. We are currently witnessing this in the Zionist/neocon putsch to attack and destroy the innocent civilians of Iran. These are people who LOVE a holocaust, so long as they are in charge.

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» RE: Francis Posted by: yellow
Traitors and Usurpers of the first order, The Federalist Society..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 15, 2007 9:58 AM   
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Bold= Thanks to our worthless suspect Congress and Senate Demo-rats and Republicans alike the Neo-cons are on the verge of absolute victory with the signing on May 9th of NSPD-51 and HSPD-20 this is the greatest plot against our very system of government ever hatched by any foe or traitor to America..!

Of course they lie they are the lie itself and the Federalist Society is behind this and in control of what was our Supreme court so this plot Treason will most likely be upheld by the Federalist Society Court Troy Traitors who sit upon that once august body..and court..!

Kiss the Republic good-bye and prepare for Dictatorship the Unitary Executive Dictatorship of Sam Alito's wet dreams..!

This pernicious cabal of pusillanimous attorneys will be the end of the great American experiment and true freedom of the individual..

The Federalist Society and Chertoff, Alito, Scalia, Roberts, Thomas, Kennedy are Tory swine, Traitors of the most foul and lowest order they are a greater threat to our Republic than al-Qaeda could ever be..!

And so say I...TJ Colatrella ...

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The Lunatic Mainstream
Posted by: shinseiji on Jun 15, 2007 10:43 AM   
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Tabibi is one of the few American observers of the present situation that is on track as to what is happening, but pulls up short of the Democrats:

"That's why no one should expect them to go away now. That's especially true since their only real competition in the intellectual arena is the cynical third-way corporatism of the Democratic party, a tenuous and depressing alliance of business interests and New-Deal interest groups whose most persuasive "idea" is that it is not neo-conservatism."

Ah but it IS "neo-conservativism", precisely in the sense of the real ideological hegemony it exercises over virtually the entire U.S. political "mainstream". It is the establishment of this hegemony, and the deliberately planned destruction of a country, Iraq, that stand as the great neoconservative achievements of the last 6 years. Is it any wonder that they are awarded rather than punished? Bravo, neocons!

Neoconservative ascendancy is due in part to that "mainstream"'s fright over the future prospects for the U.S. position in the world - fears especially amplified post-9/11 - and therefore over the prospects for maintaining its own grip on power within the U.S. itself (if only we would grow up and begin to view the rulers of the U.S. as a concrete historical regime like that of any other country, rather than as something divinely ordained by "The Founders" for eternity!) , and in part because they really do share fundamental values, especially concerning capitalism and imperialism, in common with the "neocons" narrowly defined.

The Democrats have all but come out and said: "We are all Neocons now".

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» RE: The Lunatic Mainstream Posted by: talkville
Yes, there are still many
Posted by: reinaldok on Jun 15, 2007 11:13 AM   
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I had lunch a few days ago with a few so called "friends". These guys and their ilk have to worry me. All were Wall Street types. They still firmly believe and continue to spout the same old garbage. You know. Sadam did have WMD's. Shipped them to Iran. Condi was right. Stuff was coming from Africa. Blix didn't know what he was doing, On and on same old garbage. You sure would think that "enuf is enuf". But no, there are many who still really think that Bush was right all the time. Very sad but very true.

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» Kbeast on his pony... Posted by: Knowmad
Who's who?
Posted by: willymack on Jun 15, 2007 11:21 AM   
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The 2006 "election" was supposed to usher in a new deal for the American people. The big, bad neocrooks had FINALLY gotten their comeuppance, or have they? It seems the bush crime cartel is STILL going on all cylinders, with nary a bump along the way. So, my question is this: WHO are the good guys here? The bad guys? How do we tell the difference? OK, that's three questions. Anybody got any answers?

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Depressing
Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Jun 15, 2007 12:17 PM   
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My god, this is depressing. Maybe it is a good thing that I am almost 70 and won't have to put up with this s**t for too many more years. I do fear for my grandchildren.

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PNAC's rightwing subversive founder: "Committee on the Present Danger" (CPD)
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 15, 2007 12:46 PM   
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PNAC is an offshoot of CPD which was founded in 1950 to promote covert anti-Communist actions conceived by Paul Nitze and Dean Acheson.

Thirty officials in the Reagan administration were CDP members incuding the Gipper. During the Ford peridency, CPD members banded together and formed PNAC, which remained active into 2004. That same year, CPD was reincarnated as Version 2.0.

The CPD-2’s neoconservative fear-mongering agenda is stated on its website as follows:

“With victory in the Cold War, the mission of the Committee on the Present Danger was considered complete and consequently it was deactivated. Today, radical Islamists threaten the safety of the American people and millions of others who prize liberty.“

“The threat is global. The radicals operate from cells in a number of countries. Rogue regimes seek power by making common cause with terrorist groups. The prospect that this deadly collusion may include weapons of mass murder is at hand.”

“Like the Cold War, securing our freedom against organized terrorism is a long-term struggle. The road to victory begins with clear identification of the shifting threat and vigorous pursuit of policies to contain and defeat it.”

Because CPD-2 was formed after the Gulf War 2 invasion, its members can deny having influenced Bush’s unjustified attack on Iraq. Not so with PNAC members in CPD, which is why the connection is important. The paper trail of signed PNAC letters and reports is like stink on fresh cow dung. The members can’t shake it.

Of 104 CPD members (according to their website), 15 signed PNAC documents:

Midge Decter (PNAC founder)
Steve Forbes (PNAC founder)
Frank Gaffney (PNAC founder)
Norman Podhoretz (PNAC founder)
Ken Adelman
Max Kampelman
Clifford May
Edwin Meese
Joshua Muravchik
Mark Palmer
Daniel Pipes
Danielle Pletka
Randy Scheunemann
Stephen Solarz
James Woolsey
Dov Zakheim

Of the remaining non-PNAC members, the most noteworthy CPD neocons are:

Morris Amitay, Vice Chairman, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
Lawrence Haas, Former Communications Director for Al Gore
Jack Kemp
Senator Jon Kyl
Senator Joe Lieberman
Robert Kogod, Jerusalem advisor to the Smithsonian Institution
Laurie Mylroie, Adviser on Iraq to 1992 Clinton-Gore Campaign
Bruce Ramer, former President, American Jewish Committee
Ron Silver, film and Broadway actor
Elie Wiesel, Professor, founding Chairman, United States Holocaust Memorial

Also worth mentioning is the large number of PNAC and CPD members with a Jewish heritage. Before AlterNet lefties accuse me of being anti-Semitic, as someone who visited Dachau and the Ann Frank House while touring Europe, I used to be an ardent backer of Israel, when it followed humanistic Hebrew law. Now, sadly, because of the fascist Likud Party, King David's once righteous warriors have become cowardly neocons. Like their spineless PNAC and CPD cronies in America.

Case at point, Israel using helicopter gunships to kill innocent civilians in Palestine and doing the same thing in Lebanon last summer with IDF cluster bombs and 2,000-lb depleted uranium bunker busters. How can any decent person approve of those barbaric tactics? They can't, but Hillary Rodham Clinton did. For details, see my next comment on the thread.

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AIPAC and Hillary Clinton
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 15, 2007 12:51 PM   
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Consider the following excerpts from the CounterPunch.org article titled, “Hillary Clinton, AIPAC and Iran” by Joshua Frank (01/26/06).

AIPAC's hypocrisy is stomach-turning, to say the least. The goliath lobbying organization wants Iran to be slapped across the knuckles while the crimes of Israel continue to be ignored. And who is propping up AIPAC's hypocritical position? Senator Hillary Clinton of New York.

As the top Democratic recipient of pro-Israel funds for the 2006 election cycle thus far, pocketing over $58,000 as of October 31 last year, Senator Clinton now has Iran in her cross-hairs.

During a Hanukkah dinner speech delivered on December 11, hosted by Yeshiva University, Clinton prattled, "I held a series of meetings with Israeli officials [last summer], including the prime minister and the foreign minister and the head of the [Israeli Defense Force] to discuss such challenges we confront."

"In each of these meetings, we talked at length about the dire threat posed by the potential of a nuclear-armed Iran, not only to Israel, but also to Europe and Russia. Just this week, the new president of Iran made further outrageous comments that attacked Israel's right to exist that are simply beyond the pale of international discourse and acceptability."

"During my meeting with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, I was reminded vividly of the threats that Israel faces every hour of every day ... It became even more clear how important it is for the United States to stand with Israel ..."

As Sen. Clinton embraces Israel's violence, as well as AIPAC's duplicitous Iran position, she simultaneously ignores the hostilities inflicted upon Palestine, as numerous Palestinians have been killed during the recent shelling of the Gaza Strip. Over the past weeks Israel continues to mark the occupied territories (they call 'buffer zones') like a frothing-mouth K9 on the loose.

Hillary Clinton's silence toward Israel's brutality implies the senator will continue to support AIPAC's mission to occupy the whole of the occupied territories, as well as a war on Iran in the future. AIPAC's right -- even President Bush appears to be a little sheepish when up against Hillary "warmonger" Clinton.

End of CounterPunch extract.

If you believe Slick Willie’s flyweight understudy should not become president of the United States, visit the nonpartisan website : www.STOP-Hillary.com.

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Telegram: Start worrying
Posted by: opeluboy on Jun 15, 2007 3:02 PM   
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If the neo-cons, the most vociferous ones being Jews, have their way (and they will), it will eventually come back to haunt Jews in this country who did not agree with their views but kept their silence to avoid criticizing fellow Jews and Israel.

The American people are dumb as dirt, but they eventually put 2 and 2 together. Who do you think is going to be blamed? Just surf around and you will see a huge resentment towards Jews building even now. And it doesn't help when obvious Israel-firsters like Lieberman and Podhoretz demand we bomb Iran and when it has become obvious to all but the most benighted that AIPAC calls the foreign policy tune on the Hill. Do you believe people don't notice how all our elected officials kow tow to these guys and the constant scurrying to Israel to seek approval?

Of course if we do attack Iran, it will be a total economic disaster, suicide for our troops in Iraq, as well as increasing the prospects for terror here at home.

And while I neither hope for this or would condone it, if I were a Jew, I'd start worrying.

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» Telegraph Posted by: talkville
» That's not what he said... Posted by: justaguy
» Where are the leaders? Posted by: justaguy
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Just so you know...
Posted by: Old Me on Jun 15, 2007 4:40 PM   
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...There are Jews aplenty in this country who do not support what Israel is presently doing, nor the tight military-economic bond (and one might add, political) that exists between Israel and the US, and which I believe is founded on the crucial need for OIL, which has warped this country's entire attitude toward the Middle East.

Face it: American industry has been totally dependent on our ability to dominate the world's oil supply . . . This has evolved over the past century with little regard for the fact that it is a finite resource, bound to run out, sooner or later. Instead of regarding this certainty as a challenge for a wisely considered CONSERVATIONAL policy (and NO, I am not a conservative!) the people we have entrusted with government have been far more concerned with lining their own pockets, and staying in office to continue doing so, than with taking care of the people they were elected to look after.

So we are stuck with the natural result of such dereliction. It was bound to happen, eventually, and the time happens to be NOW.

It may not be pleasant to contemplate, but we are nearing a 'tipping point'. When, or exactly HOW it will arrive will remain a matter for speculation until it hits. But there is every reason to believe that it is close at hand. Very possibly this summer, or certainly by November of next year. With the resurgence of Neocon effectiveness (that can hardly now be denied), it is a virtual certainty that the coming election will unleash political forces that are likely to make the last two elections look like kid's play — IF the turning point is delayed until then. Either way, this country will be put through a wrenching experience during the next twelve months; one that will shake us like nothing we have yet seen. Because nothing (nothing) will remain normal.

Oh, I don't think there are going to be roving bands of goons — I don't mean that kind of abnormality, which the neocon government could handle quite handily, as they are prepared for that. I'm talking about the total fracture of governmental flow, because the reality will become evident to too many of the currently blind and misguided. And an economic upheaval (because everything will suddenly become dysfunctional in such a political climate) to rival anything since the Big One of the 1930s. It's going to be the ultimate shaking-out.

There is a fair chance, in fact, that it will be initiated late this summer, if the neo-cons decide (or feel it necessary) to play their presumed trump card this far ahead of the election, for the very probable reason that it will 'play better' than it might if saved for the last minute. That trump card being, of course, an attack on Iran. Because when this card is played, they'll be standing nakedly exposed, and enough of Congress will turn against them to finally force the governmental stalemate. All hell will then break loose, right here in our own country. Not to mention what will be happening in the Middle East.

Watch for it.

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Biggest Neocon Accomplishment: Radicalizing Muslims
Posted by: sofla100 on Jun 15, 2007 7:28 PM   
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The Neocon aganda has backfired. Consider:

Prior to the Iraq invasion, most Muslims were actually quite supportive of the USA. This, even with the USA's unwavering support of Israel. Now, with Iraq being invaded under a false pretext (WMD's) and the scandals of Guantanamo, torture, Muslim round-up's in the USA, this support has been severely eroded.

Iran's nuclear program was on the skids and so were Iran's hardliners. Now, with USA "tough talk," the hardliners have been rising up. Nothing builds them up quicker then perceived threats to national survival.

The Palestinians are turning increasingly towards the radicals. American support of Israel's right-wing government and its repressive approach has fueled this movement.

Finally, you have to wonder, just what good are the Neocon's accomplishing. Even their own agenda seems to be competely backfiring. They have given us a war and much antipathy in the Arab world. How is any of this good for anybody?

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"Partnerships" and Empire
Posted by: talkville on Jun 16, 2007 2:35 AM   
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