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Colony Collapse: Do Massive Bee Die-Offs Mean an End to Our Food System as We Know it?
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"Gosh, I don't know," Gupta answered, searching for context. "The -- you know, with regards to bees in particular, I'm not sure what's killing the bees. I'm not sure what's killing the birds or the bees."
Cue the laugh track.
In Gupta's defense, a few weeks or months ago, the increasing disappearance of the honeybees, known now by the technical term Colony Collapse Disorder, had that feel of an urban legend, a phenomenon so esoteric and strange that it sounded like something out of science fiction. Except it's not: It's a frightening trend that, according to those hard at work at solving the problem at universities and organizations worldwide, could lead to everything from a radically transformed diet to an overall wipeout of the world's food supply.
"It is real," argued Dewey M. Caron, professor of entomology at the University of Delaware and one of several authorities investigating the issue with the Mid-Atlantic Apiculture Research and Extension Consortium's Colony Collapse Disorder Working Group (MAAREC). "We surveyed a few states and figured out that half to three-fourths of a million bee colonies have died. This is no urban legend. It is serious."
What is so serious is not only that the bees themselves are dying off without a smoking gun present, but that most people have no idea of the role they play in the food supply at large. Commercial beehives pollinate over a third of America's crops, and that web of nourishment encompasses everything from fruits like peaches, apples, cherries, strawberries and more, to nuts like California almonds, 90 percent of which are helped along by the honeybees. Without this annual pollination, you could conceivably kiss those crops goodbye, to say nothing of the honey bees produce or the flowers they also fertilize.
But as the world has grown, so has its hunger and crowds, which has paved the way for the death of wild pollinators as well as the importation of honeybees from different climates in order to have massive crop pollination.
In the case of California's aforementioned almonds, the largest managed pollination event in the world, the growing season occurs in February, well before local hives have suitably increased their populations to handle the pollination load. As a result, the region is increasingly dependent on the importation of hives from warmer climates.
The same goes for apple crops in New York, Washington and Michigan, as well as blueberries in Maine. Almonds alone require more than one-third of all the managed honeybees in the United States, so it's entirely possible that the honeybees may have already been stretched to the breaking point, as far as environmental and chemical stressors are concerned. In fact, it's safe to say that the nation's honeybees, already a tireless lot, are totally exhausted from work.
"The honeybee is so important for pollination of hundreds of agricultural crops, because humans have made it so," Caron explained. "We destroyed the natural pollinators, plowed up the area they needed to live and continued to replace their habitats with strip malls and housing developments. So, farmers have come to rely on honeybees because of mushrooming human populations and our own destructive habits to the natural ecology."
And not just here, either: The disappearance is under way across the world. Regions of Iran are experiencing the same phenomenon, as are countries like Poland, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, Germany and more every day, including Latin American and Asia. The breadth of the problem suggests that a major environmental balance could be to blame -- what else is new? -- yet no authority will sign off on the possibility and the specific causes still remain unknown.
"Other countries are also experiencing serious declines of honeybee colonies," said Maryann Frazier, senior extension associate at MAAREC and the department of entomology at Penn State University. "But we are not certain that the cause behind the losses here in the United States are the same as those causing [losses] in other parts of the world."
Throw in the fact that this type of thing has been recorded as a regular occurrence since the 19th century, and you have an apiary mystery of mammoth proportions.
"Bee colonies die all the time," Caron added. "They die over winter, lose queens, are destroyed by pests or diseases. But this is different, as the bees are simply gone and do not develop normally."
"We have had honeybee die-offs in the past which may or may not be related to the current situation," said Frazer. "However, they seem to be getting more severe. If the problem of honeybee health isn't addressed quickly, there could be serious consequences."
Meanwhile, MAAREC and others have ruled out a few possibilities, at least in the sense that they are not currently studying them. Radiation from cell phone towers -- "Get serious!" laughed Caron -- and genetically modified organism (GMO) crops such as Bt corn are no longer in the chase for public enemy No. 1, although some farmers would like them studied further. John McDonald, a biologist, beekeeper and farmer in rural Pennsylvania wrote an extensive piece for the San Francisco Chronicle questioning the role Bt corn, which is used extensively in commercial beekeeping, plays in the suppression of the honeybee's immune system. He echoed the concern to a recent roundtable on the issue for Salon.com., but so far, the scientific and industry consensus, for what it's worth, seems to be mostly united on disavowal of the GMO threat.
But why? After all, the rapid increase of GMO crops plays as much a role in the destabilization of natural environments as warming temperatures, which opens the doors to all manner of pathogens and parasites, such as the Varroa (or vampire) mite infestation that allegedly leveled the same fate on crops in the winter of 2004-2005. And though that particular theory carries a good amount of weight in the scientific community, it has yet to be ultimately confirmed. Same goes for the fungus Nosema ceranae, which was reported in the Los Angeles Times as being one of the many recently discovered pathogens that could be devastating honeybees in Europe, Asia and America.
"By itself, it is probably not the culprit," Diana Cox-Foster, Caron and Frazer's colleague at MAAREC, as well as a professor of entomology at Penn State University, told the Times, "but it may be one of the key players."
And so on. Science's search for the smoking gun may not be able to see the honey for the bees, pardon the paraphrase, because they are searching for so specific a threat in the face of an acknowledged overall environmental instability. Scientists may be hard at work looking for a pathogen, parasite, pesticide, pollutant or disease, and may not be interested in arguing that the culprit could be all of them, given what the IPCC and others are calling our precarious environmental situation. So the question has to be asked: Is this yet another byproduct of climate crisis, our increasing global temperature? As usual, the answers aren't too satisfying.
"There is no way to demonstrate global warming effects with a simple experiment," Caron explained, "but last year was very poor nutrition-wise. We do not have the smoking gun. Our experiments are along three credible lines. Stressors inside or outside, including beekeeper manipulations, may stress bees leading to their being susceptible to pathogens. The pathogens themselves -- maybe a virus has mutated and is now in epidemic form -- but we cannot say the pathogens are the cause or effect. Or chemical stressors, such a pesticides that bees are increasingly exposed to, causing them to have weakened immune systems that then permit pathogens to enter more easily and kill the bees. Chemicals could be acting synergistically."
But what could be more synergistic than our environment, a dense webwork of annually occurring natural actors and events that give us our food, air and water on a basis so regular that we barely take the time to notice how all of it works? Or what we will do when it stops working?
And that is where the future of this debate lies, regardless of what is causing the honeybees to disappear. What this phenomenon has made glaringly obvious is our vulnerability to any environmental disruption going forward. Which is a scary proposition, plugged in as we are to addictive simulations like American Idol and YouTube while our real-time environments bite the dust. What do we do when the honeybees stop working for our collective benefit?
"We can find alternatives and grow other crops," Caron said, "but not immediately. It will take time for farmers to adjust. In the meantime, our food production goes offshore, and we become a food-dependent country like England, a decision their leaders elected to pursue when they stopped supporting agriculture. But most people think food comes from the supermarket, and they have no perception of what things cost anyway."
Since perception is reality, as the aphorism goes, that attitude might change in a hurry once the strawberries and almonds stop coming. The way forward, therefore, is the same as it ever was: Education and funding. We're not going to make it to the next century without both.
"Twelve cats died from tainted foodstuffs," Caron fumed, "and six vets at Cornell University alone were studying the losses. Meanwhile, we have a few dedicated pathologists and bee experts on this issue. What is wrong with this picture? Twelve cats or the loss of one-fourth of America's bee colonies? Not to say the cat deaths didn't need to be investigated, but the resources we are prepared to pour into that issue versus the disappearance of our honeybees is what is out of whack."
Now that's a joke, Dr. Gupta. A terrifying one.
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Posted by: ateo on Jun 11, 2007 12:33 AM
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As stated it is only the European Honey Bee that is dying off and it is not the only pollinator in nature by any means. There are native pollinators that could be introduced back into their natural environment.
What's killing them off? The most plausible answer I've heard is cell phone signals. We humans assume that because we cannot perceive signals, sounds, energy with our limited senses that no other animal can. Well, we are likely to be wrong in that assumption. See: whales reacting to the U.S. Navy's hyper sonar and the bees, despite being provided an environment so friendly it is zoo like, dying off. Cell phone signals have come to blanket the entire United States in the past decade, they're piercing every one of your bodies as you read this, and mine as I write it. Of course that doesn't rule out other theories.
So humanity is not doomed after all if the bees die off, but it might be a strong indication that we are headed in that direction.
Well, we had a good run but committed collective suicide by destroying the only known environment within the universe that can sustain us. C'est la vie, hopefully the Earth can recover and try again with another sentient race.
Here's a quote I read today that is somewhat relevant to transporting bee colonies across the country to pollinate crops:
"Yet hear me, friends! we have now to deal with another people, small and feeble when our forefathers first met with them, but now great and overbearing. Strangely enough, they have a mind to till the soil, and the love of possessions is a disease in them. These people have made many rules that the rich may break, but the poor may not! They have a religion in which the poor worship, but the rich will not! They even take tithes of the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule. They claim this mother of ours, the Earth, for their own use, and fence their neighbors away from her, and deface her with their buildings and their refuse. They compel her to produce out of season, and when sterile she is made to take medicine in order to produce again. All this is sacrilege."
-Sitting Bull, 1856
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» Cell Phone Signals?
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» kill a phone, save a bee.
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» Not sure it is "only honeybees" dieing off.
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Posted by: Obijuan on Jun 11, 2007 12:54 AM
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Based on current estimates, what are the expectations for crop loss this year? Pollination times for many crops have already passed. If the bees weren't available, time's up. How many farms/orchards didn't (or won't) get their bees?
I heard most of this back in March and April. The real information has still not be released. Anyone for playing the futures market?
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Posted by: igancedo on Jun 11, 2007 1:31 AM
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American scientists seem to be of the same opinion. See UCSF scientist tracks down suspect in honeybee deaths in the San Francisco Chronicle.
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Posted by: Annarisse on Jun 11, 2007 3:35 AM
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The loss of honeybees is a bad thing - for the honey industry. It may make farming more labour-intensive. But kill off the crops? Only if the farmer is unaware of basic botanical techniques, or unable/unwilling to use them.
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Posted by: peterlborst on Jun 11, 2007 4:33 AM
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* "Albert Einstein is believed to have warned If the bee disappears from the surface of the Earth, man would have no more than four years to live."
Most people following this topic realize by now Einstein never said anything about bees. This has been checked out with the Einstein archives in Israel. It isn't true, anyway. Mankind's fate is not that inextricably linked to bees.
* "No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants."
Without bee pollinated food, there would still be plenty to eat. Most food crops are wind pollinated. Many fruits are self-pollinating.
* "In the US, beekeepers in California, Florida and Texas have experienced the greatest losses – up to 90 percent of their bees."
While some beekeepers may have lost 80 or 90 percent of their bees, the estimate total loss (Apiary Inspectors of America).
* "A German study out of Landau University provides preliminary evidence that radiation from cellular phones interferes with bees' navigation systems."
Even the German scientist whose work on telephones was cited denies a plausible link between cell towers and bee die off. "What they put in the colony was a cordless phone. Whoever translated the story didn't know the difference." – Dr. May Berenbaum
* "Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) may weaken bees"
This statement is so weak that it is virtually meaningless, but Bt has been used around bees for decades with no apparent harm.
* "No one in the organic beekeeping world is reporting colony collapse"
The fact that "no one is reporting it" certainly doesn't prove a thing! No one is certain what this disorder is, so it's an easy thing to say "I don't have it", especially when the so-called "organic beekeepers" are trying to make a case against pesticides.
* "Managed honeybees will cease to exist by 2035"
This completely ignores the fact that it is only the European honeybee that is suffering. Asian honeybees are not affected, nor are African honeybees, both those in Africa and the ones that now predominate in most of the Americas, including the southern USA.
* "Currently, though, intensive farming practices exploit the honeybee."
Honeybees are "exploited" for pollination because they are the most suitable for this purpose. Only the honeybee colony can provide the vast quantities of bees needed to pollinate large acreages of crops. They were moved up and down the Nile to take advantage of seasonal changes. Is it "exploitative" to raise plants and animals for food?
* "It's real efficient, real inexpensive and it works."
Honeybee pollination is hardly cheap. A hive of bees can rent for up to $150 US dollars for a few weeks and the grower may need hundreds of these. They have to be trucked in and out, moved a half dozen times a year or more for distances of up to 1000 miles or more each way. This all takes expensive gas, vehicles and labor.
* "And despite evidence of their efficacy as crop pollinators, wild species are not being exploited to any significant extent."
Wild pollinators are simply not up to the job. Never have been. That's why honeybees are brought in to pollinate.
* "What you can do about CCD. Support the organic industry and purchase organic foods. This helps to eliminate hazardous pesticides, genetically modified organisms and factory farming techniques"
Nobody has proved that any of these things cause CCD. Organic farming is a very small force and has virtually no affect on large scale agriculture, which is responsible for actually feeding most of the world's people.
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Posted by: jimidee on Jun 11, 2007 5:28 AM
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But seriously, I haven't seen a wild honey bee on our farm for YEARS! There used to be millions of them.
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» As long as they believe there are ways to sustain the current lifestyle...
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Posted by: clvngodess on Jun 11, 2007 7:00 AM
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There's quite a bit of information at the above link. Yeah, it's on an organic foods website, but the references are credible.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 11, 2007 8:37 AM
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I have alfalfa fields and in the summer when they bloomed, the sound of the bees busily at work collecting nectar from the blue alfalfa flowers was everywhere.
My alfalfa fields are flowering right now, and I can walk through the entire field and not see a single bee.
There is clearly something happening from what was 20 years ago.
I am disappointed that so many of the previous posts are dismissive or have a "so what?" attitude about this. The disappearance of honeybees is a very grave indication of something wrong.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 11, 2007 10:02 AM
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One of the main issues is that pesticide use has not tapered off, but has been steadily rising. The worst pesticides have been banned, but agricultural areas are still flooded with pesticides that kill of every insect and harm human health as well. It's not just bees - for example, there is a correlation between human neural damage (Parkinsons, etc.) and pesticide use in rural areas.
Why aren't there more studies on this? Because the US university system has been taken over by corporate interests who don't want to see studies of industrial and agricultural and pharmaceutical chemical toxicity - for the simple reason that such studies would provide the basis for multiple lawsuits against these corporations and their shareholders.
Another factor in disease transmission is overcrowding - this played a primary role in the 1918 flu epidemic, when soldiers were being shipped all around the world and housed in crowded conditions, and when hygiene was much poorer than it is now. Corporate beekeepers run their colonies like factory farms, and the same problems arise in chicken, pig and cow factories - which is why they use so many antibiotics, which contributes to the rise of antibiotic-resistant human pathogens.
Another issue in the spread of diseases is global warming - West Nile Virus being the best example. As climates change, some areas get wetter and warmer and some dry out - and this means that new pests can be introduced, and that many creatures are under stress and more susceptible to disease. Under severe climate change (on the horizon, and already starting to happen) this problem will only worsen.
Pesticides, overcrowding and climate change are the most likely culprits - but the Good Germans in our current corrupt academic system generally know what topics to avoid if they want to get tenure (there are a few exceptions, as always).
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Posted by: nc green on Jun 11, 2007 10:18 AM
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Another interesting tidbit, that the organic bee farmers who use natural-sized hives don't have mites. Those with mites were those using commercial hives that try to maximize occupancy by squeezing bees into smaller holes.
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» Exactly! that's how you find out what the problem is - who ISN'T getting sick?
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Posted by: tclaverdure on Jun 11, 2007 11:14 AM
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I now live in Calgary Alberta and we have lots of bees around my house, and wasps and yellow jackets and mosquitoes. lots of rain the last few years compared to previous years.
Do we really know the whole picture?? It could take years to figure out why not so many bees. Probably its the commercial farming that tries to make a big profit in the smallest time with the least amount of effort etc.
Who knows? Next year we could be saying there are too many bees. We could encourage natural bee populations around farms by mixing crops with forests or some other permaculture type strategy.
What kind of throws me off is the sensationalism of the title of this piece. It sounds so Jehovah Witness end time bullshit like. Run the sky is falling, kiss your ass good bye its the rapture the bees are gone and the last WW1 veteren is dead.
People in the west eat crap food like kraft dinner most of the time anyway, and people who want fruit will encourage local organic growers by paying more for the life giving nutrients inherent in good food and the cheeze whiz eaters will get there oreos one way or another.
We need family planning on this planet big time. 7 Billion within a few years. 10-12 Billion in who knows how long? Now that is a problem even a bee surplus CANNOT feed.
The Pope is a Dope. Use condoms you horny humans.
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You can post comments on any of the stories that directly relate to global climate change, the problem and what we can do about it.
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Posted by: LRayn on Jun 11, 2007 11:58 AM
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I am shocked by the many comments of unconcern expressed here. The idea that we can just hand pollinate every single crop flower across millions of acres of farmland is ridiculous. Go ask a worker at a seed bank like Native Seeds/SEARCH in Arizona about how labor-intensive hand pollination is, and you will get a more realistic view of how devastating the pollinator die-off really is.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Jun 11, 2007 12:32 PM
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The vast amount of genetically modified foods that have been imposed on the world at large was done so with out consent of the MAsses of people only by companies like Monsanto. They where all warned that we do not understand enough to play with mother nature but they all insisted it was all OK. You know Bee make honey and the process they use is uniqlly theirs. It is a food too for them. It's just an idea but those GMOs could possibly have some causal effect on their propagation.
Then too, on another note. I myself, physically feel the suns radiation/heat more intensly than any time in my life. Has there been any information collected as to the intesity of UV and infra red radiation over time? As to if it is increasing?
This too I've not heard any information on.
I'm just putting this out there in hopes that it might be addressed.
Good luck earthlings.
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"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 11, 2007 3:17 PM
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Dya suppose it might mess with his mind and disorient him when, after he heads out to get supplies, he comes back and finds the nest has been knocked down or sprayed with chemicals?
Hey suburbia: if you want the flowers, stop knocking down bee hives.
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Posted by: halg on Jun 11, 2007 6:15 PM
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No it is not simple. But that is the only answer.
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Posted by: chlamor on Jun 11, 2007 6:35 PM
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surrounding CCD has outpaced the science. Beekeepers and investigators have
suggested varroa, inadequate rainfall, proximity to power lines, colony
treatments, moving stresses, genetically modified crops, lack of genetic
diversity, inadequate nutrition and chemicals present in the environment,
just to name a few, as possible causes of CCD. At this point, almost every
conceivable and realistic cause remains a possibility. The leading
candidates and a brief explanation of their potential role are listed below.
1. *Traditional bee pests and diseases (including American foulbrood,
European foulbrood, chalkbrood, nosema, small hive beetles, and tracheal
mites):* These bee maladies likely are not responsible for CCD because
they do not have a history of causing CCD-like symptoms. That said,
traditional bee pests and diseases may exacerbate CCD. With that in mind,
scientists have not abandoned experiments investigating these candidates.
2. *Style of feeding bees and type of bee food:* The style of feeding
bees and types of bee food used to feed bees vary considerably among
beekeepers reporting CCD losses. As such, no correlation has been found
between what colonies were fed and their likelihood of survival. Despite
this lack of evidence, many beekeepers have abandoned the practice of
feeding high fructose corn syrup to bees due to indications that it can form
byproducts that are harmful to bees.
3. *How the bees were managed:* Management style is a broad category
but it can include the type of income pursued with bees (honey production,
pollination services, etc.) or what routine colony management beekeepers
perform (splitting hives, swarm control, chemical use, etc.). As you can
imagine, both of these vary considerably among beekeepers so this possible
cause of CCD is given less attention. That said, poor management can make
any colony malady worse.
4. *Queen source:* Initial investigations considering queen source as
a cause of CCD have turned up no evidence that the disorder is tied to queen
production. Yet, scientists are investigating the lack of genetic diversity
and lineage of bees, both related to queen quality, as possible causes of
CCD. Regarding the former, it has been said that fewer than 500 breeder
queens produce the millions of queen bees (and therefore all bees) used
throughout the U.S. Geneticists refer to this as a genetic bottle
neck. This lack of genetic biodiversity has, in effect, made U.S.
honey bees a virtual monoculture. Monocultures usually are susceptible to
any pest/disease that invades the system. Honey bees are no exception.
5. *Chemical use in bee colonies:* Without doubt, the beekeeping
industry is overly-dependent on chemical pesticides and antibiotics used to
treat various bee-related maladies. Overuse and misuse of these chemicals
(including insecticides, vitamins, snake oils, etc.) is rampant. In many
cases, the pesticides used to control varroa
miteand small
hive beetles(just
to name two examples) double as insecticides in other pest management
schemes. Putting insecticides into insect colonies cannot be beneficial to
bees, even if the chemicals are not killing the bees outright. A number of
newly-discovered, sub-lethal effects of these chemicals on honey bees
(workers, queens, and drones) should be given stronger consideration as
possible causes of CCD.
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Posted by: chlamor on Jun 11, 2007 6:37 PM
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chemical toxins in the environment are responsible for CCD. In many
instances, the beekeepers reporting colony losses manage large migratory
beekeeping operations. In migratory operations, beekeepers move bees from
blooming crop to blooming crop around the country. Because pesticides are
used widely in cropping systems in an effort to kill herbivorous insects,
one is left to consider the potential for non-target chemical effects on
bees. In addition to being exposed to chemicals while foraging on our
nation's crops, honey bees also may acquire chemicals through contaminated
water sources as they drink water containing chemical runoff. Conceivably,
these chemical residues can accumulate in wax and food stores in the colony,
thus killing bees.
7. *Genetically modified crops:* A number of people have blamed
genetically modified crops for the widespread bee deaths. Scientists have
begun initial investigations into this theory but all available data suggest
that genetically modified crops are not the culprit, at least as far as the
plants themselves are concerned. Interestingly, many seeds from which
genetically modified crops are grown are dipped first in systemic
insecticides that later appear in the plants' nectar and pollen. This makes
genetically modified plants suspect because of their chemical treatment
history, not because they are genetically modified.
8. *Varroa mites and associated pathogens:* Even with the hysteria
surrounding CCD, varroa
miteremains
the world's most prolific honey bee killers. Not surprisingly,
varroa and the viruses they transmit have been considered as possible causes
of CCD. The primary flaw with this theory is that varroa have been in the
U.S. only since 1987. Therefore, it is impossible for varroa to have
caused the CCD-like outbreaks that occurred prior to 1987. A final point
worth considering in the varroa/CCD issue is that many of the chemicals used
in bee colonies are used to control varroa. So varroa (perhaps not directly)
has been considered a leading candidate because the mite itself is damaging,
it transmits viruses to bees, and it elicits an all-out chemical assault
from beekeepers.
9. *Nutritional fitness:* Scientists have proposed nutritional fitness
of adult bees as a potential cause of CCD. This topic is being investigated
although little information exists currently to suggest nutrition is playing
a role. Malnutrition is a stress to bees, possibly weakening the bees'
immune system. This could have devastating effects on the bees' ability to
fight pests and diseases.
10. *Undiscovered/new pests and diseases:* Finally, undiscovered or
unidentified pests/pathogens are considered a possible cause of CCD. Many of
the known bee pests and diseases in the U.S. were introduced in the
last 30 years. We can expect this trend to continue as globalization
increases. This is already happening. For example, *Nosema apis* (a
protozoa that lives in the digestive tract of honey bees) has been present
in the U.S. for many years. In 2006, scientists discovered and
identified a new nosema species, *Nosema ceranae*, present in some
colonies displaying symptoms of CCD (it also has been found in bee samples
dating back to 1995). When this disease is present in bees in elevated
levels, the bees wander from colonies, never to return.
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Posted by: DeAnander on Jun 11, 2007 7:08 PM
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Organic beekeepers using "small cell" foundation or (better yet) foundationless top-bar hives, have far less trouble with varroa infestation. Their aim is to restore apis mellifera to its pre-"improvement" size and it seems to be working very well.
Factory beekeepers have also attempted to breed varieties of bees who collect more nectar than pollen -- or the beeks rob pollen stores to package pollen for sale -- substituting artificial feeds based on soy protein (and how much of that is GMO by now?). Many extract all the honey from working hives and then feed the bees sugar syrup overwinter -- a far inferior food source deficient in all the complex enzymes and amino acids that make (raw) honey such a fine nutrient for humans as well as bees. Some attempt to force queen bees to lay faster and more prolifically than is their nature (and that's saying something, since a healthy queen is a prodigious egg layer). If you add it all up, it's another case of factory farming, where we are trying to turn animals into machines -- for our convenience and to their great detriment.
Factory farmed dairy cows are sickly short-lived creatures, kept alive on antibiotics and "burnt out" (scrapped for cheap meat) by the age of 3 or 4... a family dairy cow in the traditional farming milieu would live to be 15 or even 20 or so before she was eventually slaughtered for meat -- like a laying chicken her food value as a steady dairy producer was far more important than her short-term value as a meat bonanza. We are trying to force faster and greater productivity out of living organisms, like Pharaoh's overseers whipping the slaves in the brickyards until they drop dead, with no regard for their health or their natural proclivities (for contrast read about Joel Salatin's far more efficient and less cruel grass-farming operation, in which the farmed animals are recruited as "volunteer labour" to do what they do best, while growing to marketable size and/or producing eggs or dairy the whole while).
Why would we expect any organism -- ourselves included -- to thrive under prison/slavery conditions, being overcrowded, forced and interfered with, mercilessly driven and then heavily medicated to overcome the inevitable diseases of stress and poor nutrition and overcrowding? People do not thrive in sweatshops or as slaves on the plantation, with more "value" being extorted from them than their nature and biology can bear. The real surprise is that the chem/pharma/fossil sectors have managed to keep factory ag going with their desperate bandaids for so long. But of course, as the prime beneficiaries of factory ag (who else wins? farmers have been driven nearly to extinction, the quality of food delivered to the consumer is abysmal, and the animals live in misery and pain), they are highly motivated to keep the industrial model of farming going as long as possible.
The point of farming in America today is not to deliver food to eaters, it is to deliver profits to stockholders in the spinoff industries that parasitise the food system. News flash for those investors: when the tapeworm gets big enough, the host dies. Not good news for the tapeworm either.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Jun 11, 2007 7:09 PM
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Remember the anthrax murders were traced to these very same labs, yet no one was brought to justice for those crimes.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Jun 11, 2007 9:05 PM
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Obviously, mother nature is in control.
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Posted by: savetheblank on Jun 11, 2007 9:31 PM
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I've been trying to raise some funding for research into this potential epidemic by selling tshirts. Check it out if you'd like to help!!
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Posted by: Lilah on Jun 12, 2007 5:59 AM
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Also setting this apart from other disorders is the fact that other bees will not use the hive, nor will natural predators invade it. (This from my brother, an amatuer beekeeper who'e trying to keep up with the research on ccd).
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Thank you for your reply. This information I am sending you is 6-7 years old, but the scientists still work and stand by their findings. Thus many European countries are more cautious in introducing GE agriculture and label food products containig GE giving consumers choice. I think it is somewhat strange that I live in the center of the city where bees are not in contact with agricultural fields and I am not noticing a decline, in fact the contrary is happening. My greatest respect to those who farm and for the hard choices they have to make to survive in business. Again thanks, I hope we find a solution soon. The German Television ZDF reported on Sunday May 21 that a German researcher found a gene transfer from genetically engineered rapeseed to bacteria and fungi in the gut of honey bees. Prof. Hans-Hinrich Kaatz from the Institut fur Bienenkunde (Institute for bee research) at the University of Jena experimented during the last three years with honey bees on an experimental field with transgenic rapeseed in Saxony, Germany.
The field trial was performed by AgrEvo, the rapeseed was engineered to resist the herbicide glufosinate (Liberty, Basta). Prof. Kaatz built nets in the field with the transgenic rapeseed and let the bees fly freely within the net. At the beehives, he installed pollen traps in order to sample the pollen loads from the bees' hindlegs when entering the hive.
This pollen was fed to young honey bees in the laboratory. (Pollen is the natural diet of young bees which need a high protein diet). Then Prof.Kaatz took the intestine out of the young bees and spread the contents on growth medium to grow the microorganisms.
He probed the microorganisms for the pat-gene, the gene that confers resistance to glufosinate. In some bacteria and also in a yeast hefound the pat-gene. This indicates that the gene from the genetically engineered rapeseed was transferred in the bee gut to the microbes.
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The transfer of genes from GE crops to bacteria has potentially problematic consequences. Mae-Wan Ho has pointed out that there is genetic material in GE crops that is designed to counteract the mechanisms that prevent foreign DNA to attach to the chromosomes, see "Horizontal transfer of viral and bacteria DNA facilitated by GE organisms?".
This group of scientists warns that the spread of such genetic material to bacteria may promote the development of completely new strains of bacteria by promoting DNA transfer between unrelated strains of bacteria. They suggest that this might already have contributed to the remarkable increase of new and dangerous bacterial strains like the E.Coli 157 where Coli has taken up genes from an unrelated bacterium (the dysenterium bacterium Shigella). The result has been a bacteria that causes serious hemmorrhagic gastrointestinal disease that has been lethal in several cases.
If these scientists are right, Bacteria and fungi in the bee gut might become one such source of new diseases which might spread to humans through the venoms.
This is one of many examples of the increasing number of unexpected and potentially serious consequences of genetic engineering of crops. This kind of gene transfer is completely irreversible and uncontrollable. This means that if it turns out that it may generat serious problems in the ecology of microbes, there is no known means of stopping it. This is one of several examples of the kind of potential problems that made us demand a global moratorium on the release of GE organisms, see our Declaration. Jaan Suurküla M This is from a European site www.PSRAST.org (Physicians and Scientist for the Responsible Application of Science and Technology)
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Posted by: AM5 on Jun 13, 2007 12:39 PM
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The reasons for colony collapse are quite clear once you read why the organic bee keepers aren't having this problem. Do the google.
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Posted by: machaventia on Jun 14, 2007 5:50 AM
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The local organic-based beekeepers and farms are steaming along just fine...with few colony deaths.
Why?
They believe that the GENETIC cloning and meddling of the mono-crops produced for the Oil-Based varieties are interfering with the lifecycle of the bees loaned and rented out to the farms using these croppings.
It appears something is missing vital to the bee's health, or killing them outright, emmanating directly from these genetically-altered crops.
So much for Super-Corn and the like.
I don't need Shark's genes in my super-sweet corn, nor other foodstuffs, and apparently what ails me is killing the bees as well.
The cocktail of chemicals thrust into the soils, sprayed from above and dissolved in the water can't be helping it either.
Somewhere in the mix, it actually stops becoming food...
And the Bees are here to testify...
No Bees = No fruit, nuts, etc.
No food
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Posted by: honeyman on Jun 17, 2007 9:46 AM
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When I try to explain the molecular aspects of how bT genes function in , lets say corn, after hearing receptor site, protease, activation people get lost...why? Is it because they are simply able to think only in media six second sound bites...or their education is so rudimentary they are incapable of thinking of events on an invisible molecular scale?
Strangely enough practicing scientists bring their own bias to these discussions since they too reply as GM industry defenders since ,if it's accepted by industry it must be good not realizing that published reports as to the safety of GM crops were all done in industry labs. John McDonald
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Posted by: Shey on Jun 18, 2007 4:13 AM
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What do we expect? We're getting what we deserve.
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Posted by: ateo on Jun 11, 2007 12:33 AM
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As stated it is only the European Honey Bee that is dying off and it is not the only pollinator in nature by any means. There are native pollinators that could be introduced back into their natural environment.
What's killing them off? The most plausible answer I've heard is cell phone signals. We humans assume that because we cannot perceive signals, sounds, energy with our limited senses that no other animal can. Well, we are likely to be wrong in that assumption. See: whales reacting to the U.S. Navy's hyper sonar and the bees, despite being provided an environment so friendly it is zoo like, dying off. Cell phone signals have come to blanket the entire United States in the past decade, they're piercing every one of your bodies as you read this, and mine as I write it. Of course that doesn't rule out other theories.
So humanity is not doomed after all if the bees die off, but it might be a strong indication that we are headed in that direction.
Well, we had a good run but committed collective suicide by destroying the only known environment within the universe that can sustain us. C'est la vie, hopefully the Earth can recover and try again with another sentient race.
Here's a quote I read today that is somewhat relevant to transporting bee colonies across the country to pollinate crops:
"Yet hear me, friends! we have now to deal with another people, small and feeble when our forefathers first met with them, but now great and overbearing. Strangely enough, they have a mind to till the soil, and the love of possessions is a disease in them. These people have made many rules that the rich may break, but the poor may not! They have a religion in which the poor worship, but the rich will not! They even take tithes of the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule. They claim this mother of ours, the Earth, for their own use, and fence their neighbors away from her, and deface her with their buildings and their refuse. They compel her to produce out of season, and when sterile she is made to take medicine in order to produce again. All this is sacrilege."
-Sitting Bull, 1856
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Posted by: Obijuan on Jun 11, 2007 12:54 AM
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Based on current estimates, what are the expectations for crop loss this year? Pollination times for many crops have already passed. If the bees weren't available, time's up. How many farms/orchards didn't (or won't) get their bees?
I heard most of this back in March and April. The real information has still not be released. Anyone for playing the futures market?
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Posted by: igancedo on Jun 11, 2007 1:31 AM
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American scientists seem to be of the same opinion. See UCSF scientist tracks down suspect in honeybee deaths in the San Francisco Chronicle.
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Posted by: Annarisse on Jun 11, 2007 3:35 AM
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The loss of honeybees is a bad thing - for the honey industry. It may make farming more labour-intensive. But kill off the crops? Only if the farmer is unaware of basic botanical techniques, or unable/unwilling to use them.
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Posted by: peterlborst on Jun 11, 2007 4:33 AM
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* "Albert Einstein is believed to have warned If the bee disappears from the surface of the Earth, man would have no more than four years to live."
Most people following this topic realize by now Einstein never said anything about bees. This has been checked out with the Einstein archives in Israel. It isn't true, anyway. Mankind's fate is not that inextricably linked to bees.
* "No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants."
Without bee pollinated food, there would still be plenty to eat. Most food crops are wind pollinated. Many fruits are self-pollinating.
* "In the US, beekeepers in California, Florida and Texas have experienced the greatest losses – up to 90 percent of their bees."
While some beekeepers may have lost 80 or 90 percent of their bees, the estimate total loss (Apiary Inspectors of America).
* "A German study out of Landau University provides preliminary evidence that radiation from cellular phones interferes with bees' navigation systems."
Even the German scientist whose work on telephones was cited denies a plausible link between cell towers and bee die off. "What they put in the colony was a cordless phone. Whoever translated the story didn't know the difference." – Dr. May Berenbaum
* "Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) may weaken bees"
This statement is so weak that it is virtually meaningless, but Bt has been used around bees for decades with no apparent harm.
* "No one in the organic beekeeping world is reporting colony collapse"
The fact that "no one is reporting it" certainly doesn't prove a thing! No one is certain what this disorder is, so it's an easy thing to say "I don't have it", especially when the so-called "organic beekeepers" are trying to make a case against pesticides.
* "Managed honeybees will cease to exist by 2035"
This completely ignores the fact that it is only the European honeybee that is suffering. Asian honeybees are not affected, nor are African honeybees, both those in Africa and the ones that now predominate in most of the Americas, including the southern USA.
* "Currently, though, intensive farming practices exploit the honeybee."
Honeybees are "exploited" for pollination because they are the most suitable for this purpose. Only the honeybee colony can provide the vast quantities of bees needed to pollinate large acreages of crops. They were moved up and down the Nile to take advantage of seasonal changes. Is it "exploitative" to raise plants and animals for food?
* "It's real efficient, real inexpensive and it works."
Honeybee pollination is hardly cheap. A hive of bees can rent for up to $150 US dollars for a few weeks and the grower may need hundreds of these. They have to be trucked in and out, moved a half dozen times a year or more for distances of up to 1000 miles or more each way. This all takes expensive gas, vehicles and labor.
* "And despite evidence of their efficacy as crop pollinators, wild species are not being exploited to any significant extent."
Wild pollinators are simply not up to the job. Never have been. That's why honeybees are brought in to pollinate.
* "What you can do about CCD. Support the organic industry and purchase organic foods. This helps to eliminate hazardous pesticides, genetically modified organisms and factory farming techniques"
Nobody has proved that any of these things cause CCD. Organic farming is a very small force and has virtually no affect on large scale agriculture, which is responsible for actually feeding most of the world's people.
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» letting nature take its course.
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Posted by: jimidee on Jun 11, 2007 5:28 AM
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But seriously, I haven't seen a wild honey bee on our farm for YEARS! There used to be millions of them.
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There's quite a bit of information at the above link. Yeah, it's on an organic foods website, but the references are credible.
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I have alfalfa fields and in the summer when they bloomed, the sound of the bees busily at work collecting nectar from the blue alfalfa flowers was everywhere.
My alfalfa fields are flowering right now, and I can walk through the entire field and not see a single bee.
There is clearly something happening from what was 20 years ago.
I am disappointed that so many of the previous posts are dismissive or have a "so what?" attitude about this. The disappearance of honeybees is a very grave indication of something wrong.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 11, 2007 10:02 AM
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One of the main issues is that pesticide use has not tapered off, but has been steadily rising. The worst pesticides have been banned, but agricultural areas are still flooded with pesticides that kill of every insect and harm human health as well. It's not just bees - for example, there is a correlation between human neural damage (Parkinsons, etc.) and pesticide use in rural areas.
Why aren't there more studies on this? Because the US university system has been taken over by corporate interests who don't want to see studies of industrial and agricultural and pharmaceutical chemical toxicity - for the simple reason that such studies would provide the basis for multiple lawsuits against these corporations and their shareholders.
Another factor in disease transmission is overcrowding - this played a primary role in the 1918 flu epidemic, when soldiers were being shipped all around the world and housed in crowded conditions, and when hygiene was much poorer than it is now. Corporate beekeepers run their colonies like factory farms, and the same problems arise in chicken, pig and cow factories - which is why they use so many antibiotics, which contributes to the rise of antibiotic-resistant human pathogens.
Another issue in the spread of diseases is global warming - West Nile Virus being the best example. As climates change, some areas get wetter and warmer and some dry out - and this means that new pests can be introduced, and that many creatures are under stress and more susceptible to disease. Under severe climate change (on the horizon, and already starting to happen) this problem will only worsen.
Pesticides, overcrowding and climate change are the most likely culprits - but the Good Germans in our current corrupt academic system generally know what topics to avoid if they want to get tenure (there are a few exceptions, as always).
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Posted by: nc green on Jun 11, 2007 10:18 AM
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Another interesting tidbit, that the organic bee farmers who use natural-sized hives don't have mites. Those with mites were those using commercial hives that try to maximize occupancy by squeezing bees into smaller holes.
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Posted by: tclaverdure on Jun 11, 2007 11:14 AM
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I now live in Calgary Alberta and we have lots of bees around my house, and wasps and yellow jackets and mosquitoes. lots of rain the last few years compared to previous years.
Do we really know the whole picture?? It could take years to figure out why not so many bees. Probably its the commercial farming that tries to make a big profit in the smallest time with the least amount of effort etc.
Who knows? Next year we could be saying there are too many bees. We could encourage natural bee populations around farms by mixing crops with forests or some other permaculture type strategy.
What kind of throws me off is the sensationalism of the title of this piece. It sounds so Jehovah Witness end time bullshit like. Run the sky is falling, kiss your ass good bye its the rapture the bees are gone and the last WW1 veteren is dead.
People in the west eat crap food like kraft dinner most of the time anyway, and people who want fruit will encourage local organic growers by paying more for the life giving nutrients inherent in good food and the cheeze whiz eaters will get there oreos one way or another.
We need family planning on this planet big time. 7 Billion within a few years. 10-12 Billion in who knows how long? Now that is a problem even a bee surplus CANNOT feed.
The Pope is a Dope. Use condoms you horny humans.
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You can post comments on any of the stories that directly relate to global climate change, the problem and what we can do about it.
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I am shocked by the many comments of unconcern expressed here. The idea that we can just hand pollinate every single crop flower across millions of acres of farmland is ridiculous. Go ask a worker at a seed bank like Native Seeds/SEARCH in Arizona about how labor-intensive hand pollination is, and you will get a more realistic view of how devastating the pollinator die-off really is.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Jun 11, 2007 12:32 PM
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The vast amount of genetically modified foods that have been imposed on the world at large was done so with out consent of the MAsses of people only by companies like Monsanto. They where all warned that we do not understand enough to play with mother nature but they all insisted it was all OK. You know Bee make honey and the process they use is uniqlly theirs. It is a food too for them. It's just an idea but those GMOs could possibly have some causal effect on their propagation.
Then too, on another note. I myself, physically feel the suns radiation/heat more intensly than any time in my life. Has there been any information collected as to the intesity of UV and infra red radiation over time? As to if it is increasing?
This too I've not heard any information on.
I'm just putting this out there in hopes that it might be addressed.
Good luck earthlings.
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"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."
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Dya suppose it might mess with his mind and disorient him when, after he heads out to get supplies, he comes back and finds the nest has been knocked down or sprayed with chemicals?
Hey suburbia: if you want the flowers, stop knocking down bee hives.
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No it is not simple. But that is the only answer.
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Posted by: chlamor on Jun 11, 2007 6:35 PM
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surrounding CCD has outpaced the science. Beekeepers and investigators have
suggested varroa, inadequate rainfall, proximity to power lines, colony
treatments, moving stresses, genetically modified crops, lack of genetic
diversity, inadequate nutrition and chemicals present in the environment,
just to name a few, as possible causes of CCD. At this point, almost every
conceivable and realistic cause remains a possibility. The leading
candidates and a brief explanation of their potential role are listed below.
1. *Traditional bee pests and diseases (including American foulbrood,
European foulbrood, chalkbrood, nosema, small hive beetles, and tracheal
mites):* These bee maladies likely are not responsible for CCD because
they do not have a history of causing CCD-like symptoms. That said,
traditional bee pests and diseases may exacerbate CCD. With that in mind,
scientists have not abandoned experiments investigating these candidates.
2. *Style of feeding bees and type of bee food:* The style of feeding
bees and types of bee food used to feed bees vary considerably among
beekeepers reporting CCD losses. As such, no correlation has been found
between what colonies were fed and their likelihood of survival. Despite
this lack of evidence, many beekeepers have abandoned the practice of
feeding high fructose corn syrup to bees due to indications that it can form
byproducts that are harmful to bees.
3. *How the bees were managed:* Management style is a broad category
but it can include the type of income pursued with bees (honey production,
pollination services, etc.) or what routine colony management beekeepers
perform (splitting hives, swarm control, chemical use, etc.). As you can
imagine, both of these vary considerably among beekeepers so this possible
cause of CCD is given less attention. That said, poor management can make
any colony malady worse.
4. *Queen source:* Initial investigations considering queen source as
a cause of CCD have turned up no evidence that the disorder is tied to queen
production. Yet, scientists are investigating the lack of genetic diversity
and lineage of bees, both related to queen quality, as possible causes of
CCD. Regarding the former, it has been said that fewer than 500 breeder
queens produce the millions of queen bees (and therefore all bees) used
throughout the U.S. Geneticists refer to this as a genetic bottle
neck. This lack of genetic biodiversity has, in effect, made U.S.
honey bees a virtual monoculture. Monocultures usually are susceptible to
any pest/disease that invades the system. Honey bees are no exception.
5. *Chemical use in bee colonies:* Without doubt, the beekeeping
industry is overly-dependent on chemical pesticides and antibiotics used to
treat various bee-related maladies. Overuse and misuse of these chemicals
(including insecticides, vitamins, snake oils, etc.) is rampant. In many
cases, the pesticides used to control varroa
miteand small
hive beetles(just
to name two examples) double as insecticides in other pest management
schemes. Putting insecticides into insect colonies cannot be beneficial to
bees, even if the chemicals are not killing the bees outright. A number of
newly-discovered, sub-lethal effects of these chemicals on honey bees
(workers, queens, and drones) should be given stronger consideration as
possible causes of CCD.
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chemical toxins in the environment are responsible for CCD. In many
instances, the beekeepers reporting colony losses manage large migratory
beekeeping operations. In migratory operations, beekeepers move bees from
blooming crop to blooming crop around the country. Because pesticides are
used widely in cropping systems in an effort to kill herbivorous insects,
one is left to consider the potential for non-target chemical effects on
bees. In addition to being exposed to chemicals while foraging on our
nation's crops, honey bees also may acquire chemicals through contaminated
water sources as they drink water containing chemical runoff. Conceivably,
these chemical residues can accumulate in wax and food stores in the colony,
thus killing bees.
7. *Genetically modified crops:* A number of people have blamed
genetically modified crops for the widespread bee deaths. Scientists have
begun initial investigations into this theory but all available data suggest
that genetically modified crops are not the culprit, at least as far as the
plants themselves are concerned. Interestingly, many seeds from which
genetically modified crops are grown are dipped first in systemic
insecticides that later appear in the plants' nectar and pollen. This makes
genetically modified plants suspect because of their chemical treatment
history, not because they are genetically modified.
8. *Varroa mites and associated pathogens:* Even with the hysteria
surrounding CCD, varroa
miteremains
the world's most prolific honey bee killers. Not surprisingly,
varroa and the viruses they transmit have been considered as possible causes
of CCD. The primary flaw with this theory is that varroa have been in the
U.S. only since 1987. Therefore, it is impossible for varroa to have
caused the CCD-like outbreaks that occurred prior to 1987. A final point
worth considering in the varroa/CCD issue is that many of the chemicals used
in bee colonies are used to control varroa. So varroa (perhaps not directly)
has been considered a leading candidate because the mite itself is damaging,
it transmits viruses to bees, and it elicits an all-out chemical assault
from beekeepers.
9. *Nutritional fitness:* Scientists have proposed nutritional fitness
of adult bees as a potential cause of CCD. This topic is being investigated
although little information exists currently to suggest nutrition is playing
a role. Malnutrition is a stress to bees, possibly weakening the bees'
immune system. This could have devastating effects on the bees' ability to
fight pests and diseases.
10. *Undiscovered/new pests and diseases:* Finally, undiscovered or
unidentified pests/pathogens are considered a possible cause of CCD. Many of
the known bee pests and diseases in the U.S. were introduced in the
last 30 years. We can expect this trend to continue as globalization
increases. This is already happening. For example, *Nosema apis* (a
protozoa that lives in the digestive tract of honey bees) has been present
in the U.S. for many years. In 2006, scientists discovered and
identified a new nosema species, *Nosema ceranae*, present in some
colonies displaying symptoms of CCD (it also has been found in bee samples
dating back to 1995). When this disease is present in bees in elevated
levels, the bees wander from colonies, never to return.
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Posted by: DeAnander on Jun 11, 2007 7:08 PM
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Organic beekeepers using "small cell" foundation or (better yet) foundationless top-bar hives, have far less trouble with varroa infestation. Their aim is to restore apis mellifera to its pre-"improvement" size and it seems to be working very well.
Factory beekeepers have also attempted to breed varieties of bees who collect more nectar than pollen -- or the beeks rob pollen stores to package pollen for sale -- substituting artificial feeds based on soy protein (and how much of that is GMO by now?). Many extract all the honey from working hives and then feed the bees sugar syrup overwinter -- a far inferior food source deficient in all the complex enzymes and amino acids that make (raw) honey such a fine nutrient for humans as well as bees. Some attempt to force queen bees to lay faster and more prolifically than is their nature (and that's saying something, since a healthy queen is a prodigious egg layer). If you add it all up, it's another case of factory farming, where we are trying to turn animals into machines -- for our convenience and to their great detriment.
Factory farmed dairy cows are sickly short-lived creatures, kept alive on antibiotics and "burnt out" (scrapped for cheap meat) by the age of 3 or 4... a family dairy cow in the traditional farming milieu would live to be 15 or even 20 or so before she was eventually slaughtered for meat -- like a laying chicken her food value as a steady dairy producer was far more important than her short-term value as a meat bonanza. We are trying to force faster and greater productivity out of living organisms, like Pharaoh's overseers whipping the slaves in the brickyards until they drop dead, with no regard for their health or their natural proclivities (for contrast read about Joel Salatin's far more efficient and less cruel grass-farming operation, in which the farmed animals are recruited as "volunteer labour" to do what they do best, while growing to marketable size and/or producing eggs or dairy the whole while).
Why would we expect any organism -- ourselves included -- to thrive under prison/slavery conditions, being overcrowded, forced and interfered with, mercilessly driven and then heavily medicated to overcome the inevitable diseases of stress and poor nutrition and overcrowding? People do not thrive in sweatshops or as slaves on the plantation, with more "value" being extorted from them than their nature and biology can bear. The real surprise is that the chem/pharma/fossil sectors have managed to keep factory ag going with their desperate bandaids for so long. But of course, as the prime beneficiaries of factory ag (who else wins? farmers have been driven nearly to extinction, the quality of food delivered to the consumer is abysmal, and the animals live in misery and pain), they are highly motivated to keep the industrial model of farming going as long as possible.
The point of farming in America today is not to deliver food to eaters, it is to deliver profits to stockholders in the spinoff industries that parasitise the food system. News flash for those investors: when the tapeworm gets big enough, the host dies. Not good news for the tapeworm either.
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Remember the anthrax murders were traced to these very same labs, yet no one was brought to justice for those crimes.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
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Obviously, mother nature is in control.
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I've been trying to raise some funding for research into this potential epidemic by selling tshirts. Check it out if you'd like to help!!
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Also setting this apart from other disorders is the fact that other bees will not use the hive, nor will natural predators invade it. (This from my brother, an amatuer beekeeper who'e trying to keep up with the research on ccd).
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Thank you for your reply. This information I am sending you is 6-7 years old, but the scientists still work and stand by their findings. Thus many European countries are more cautious in introducing GE agriculture and label food products containig GE giving consumers choice. I think it is somewhat strange that I live in the center of the city where bees are not in contact with agricultural fields and I am not noticing a decline, in fact the contrary is happening. My greatest respect to those who farm and for the hard choices they have to make to survive in business. Again thanks, I hope we find a solution soon. The German Television ZDF reported on Sunday May 21 that a German researcher found a gene transfer from genetically engineered rapeseed to bacteria and fungi in the gut of honey bees. Prof. Hans-Hinrich Kaatz from the Institut fur Bienenkunde (Institute for bee research) at the University of Jena experimented during the last three years with honey bees on an experimental field with transgenic rapeseed in Saxony, Germany.
The field trial was performed by AgrEvo, the rapeseed was engineered to resist the herbicide glufosinate (Liberty, Basta). Prof. Kaatz built nets in the field with the transgenic rapeseed and let the bees fly freely within the net. At the beehives, he installed pollen traps in order to sample the pollen loads from the bees' hindlegs when entering the hive.
This pollen was fed to young honey bees in the laboratory. (Pollen is the natural diet of young bees which need a high protein diet). Then Prof.Kaatz took the intestine out of the young bees and spread the contents on growth medium to grow the microorganisms.
He probed the microorganisms for the pat-gene, the gene that confers resistance to glufosinate. In some bacteria and also in a yeast hefound the pat-gene. This indicates that the gene from the genetically engineered rapeseed was transferred in the bee gut to the microbes.
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The transfer of genes from GE crops to bacteria has potentially problematic consequences. Mae-Wan Ho has pointed out that there is genetic material in GE crops that is designed to counteract the mechanisms that prevent foreign DNA to attach to the chromosomes, see "Horizontal transfer of viral and bacteria DNA facilitated by GE organisms?".
This group of scientists warns that the spread of such genetic material to bacteria may promote the development of completely new strains of bacteria by promoting DNA transfer between unrelated strains of bacteria. They suggest that this might already have contributed to the remarkable increase of new and dangerous bacterial strains like the E.Coli 157 where Coli has taken up genes from an unrelated bacterium (the dysenterium bacterium Shigella). The result has been a bacteria that causes serious hemmorrhagic gastrointestinal disease that has been lethal in several cases.
If these scientists are right, Bacteria and fungi in the bee gut might become one such source of new diseases which might spread to humans through the venoms.
This is one of many examples of the increasing number of unexpected and potentially serious consequences of genetic engineering of crops. This kind of gene transfer is completely irreversible and uncontrollable. This means that if it turns out that it may generat serious problems in the ecology of microbes, there is no known means of stopping it. This is one of several examples of the kind of potential problems that made us demand a global moratorium on the release of GE organisms, see our Declaration. Jaan Suurküla M This is from a European site www.PSRAST.org (Physicians and Scientist for the Responsible Application of Science and Technology)
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The reasons for colony collapse are quite clear once you read why the organic bee keepers aren't having this problem. Do the google.
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The local organic-based beekeepers and farms are steaming along just fine...with few colony deaths.
Why?
They believe that the GENETIC cloning and meddling of the mono-crops produced for the Oil-Based varieties are interfering with the lifecycle of the bees loaned and rented out to the farms using these croppings.
It appears something is missing vital to the bee's health, or killing them outright, emmanating directly from these genetically-altered crops.
So much for Super-Corn and the like.
I don't need Shark's genes in my super-sweet corn, nor other foodstuffs, and apparently what ails me is killing the bees as well.
The cocktail of chemicals thrust into the soils, sprayed from above and dissolved in the water can't be helping it either.
Somewhere in the mix, it actually stops becoming food...
And the Bees are here to testify...
No Bees = No fruit, nuts, etc.
No food
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Posted by: honeyman on Jun 17, 2007 9:46 AM
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When I try to explain the molecular aspects of how bT genes function in , lets say corn, after hearing receptor site, protease, activation people get lost...why? Is it because they are simply able to think only in media six second sound bites...or their education is so rudimentary they are incapable of thinking of events on an invisible molecular scale?
Strangely enough practicing scientists bring their own bias to these discussions since they too reply as GM industry defenders since ,if it's accepted by industry it must be good not realizing that published reports as to the safety of GM crops were all done in industry labs. John McDonald
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Posted by: Shey on Jun 18, 2007 4:13 AM
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What do we expect? We're getting what we deserve.
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