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Bush Says We’ll Be in Iraq for 50 Years, But Reporters Don't Bother to Ask Iraqis to Comment

By Joshua Holland and Raed Jarrar, AlterNet. Posted June 8, 2007.


When George Bush announced that he favored keeping troops in Iraq for decades, the media apparently didn't think the opinion of Iraqis mattered.

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On May 25, George Bush signed a defense bill that outlawed the construction of (new) permanent bases in Iraq. But only five days later, White House press flack Tony Snow told reporters that the president is now modeling the future of his bloody signature project on the half-century U.S. experience in South Korea, with troops in Iraq for the long haul to provide, in Snow's words, "a security presence" and to serve as a "force of stability."

Asked how long that commitment would last, Snow said, "A long time." Tens of thousands of U.S. troops have been stationed in South Korea since 1953 -- for 54 years.

In the days that followed Snow's revelation, senior Pentagon officials weighed in with their support for applying the Korea Model to Iraq: keeping a few divisions of U.S. troops in-country for the next five decades or so sounded just about right to them.

It was such a naked acknowledgement of America's long-term designs on carving out a strategic foothold in the region that even the milquetoast American press had to acknowledge it, and most of the major news outlets ran stories in the last week that at least touched on the Iraq hawks' shiny new analogy.

But we noticed something fascinating when reading those articles: In story after story, U.S. reporters were quick to seek comment from White House officials and to "balance" those comments with quotes from congressional Democrats and from analysts at various D.C. think tanks who are critical of the administration. They talked to foreign policy and military experts, historians and even Korea experts.

But here's the rub: None of the reporters we read bothered to pick up a phone and call Baghdad to get reactions from, well, actual Iraqis.

So we did -- we called Iraqi lawmakers from different parties representing the country's different ethnic and sectarian groups, and found that, without exception, just hearing that there were official whispers in Washington about plans for a decades-long U.S. troop presence in their country shocked and awed them, and not in a good way.

But it didn't only inflame the Iraqi nationalists with whom we spoke -- politicians who have long opposed the occupation -- it also absolutely incensed those officials who have been among the coalition's most vocal supporters. Even those who approve of George Bush's Middle East adventurism were infuriated by the idea and insulted that the administration would make the statement publicly.

But that was one viewpoint that didn't find its way into any of the stories we read. Which leads to a question: What would the reporting out of Iraq look like if all reporters embraced the simple idea that Iraqis' views on the future of their country are worth a few column inches or a couple of seconds on American television screens?

The New York Times' David Sanger, for example, wrote an analysis in which he quoted Tony Snow, Defense Secretary Robert Gates -- Gates said, "The idea is more a model of a mutually agreed arrangement whereby we have a long and enduring presence but under the consent of both parties" -- and a few anonymous "administration officials and top military leaders," all of whom favored the idea.

Among the "critics on the left" who Sanger quoted was Leslie Gelb, the former president of the Council of Foreign Relations. Gelb, who has on his resume a stint with the State Department and another with the Pentagon during Vietnam (Gelb was director of the project that produced the infamous Pentagon Papers), wasn't fazed by the plan's unmistakable whiff of empire; he simply had issues with the analogy. "It's just that Korea bears no resemblance to Iraq," he said, "There's no strategy that can create victory."

Sanger also quoted Donald L. Kerrick, whom he described as a "retired general who … has now emerged as one of a cadre of generals criticizing Mr. Bush's strategy." But Kerrick must not have been in a terribly critical mood that day, as Sanger quoted him as saying only that "If we can make this like Korea, then we have been successful."

Sanger might have called Dr. Alaa Makki, a senior official in the reliably pro-occupation Iraqi Islamic Party, for his reaction. We reached him in Baghdad, and he was taken aback to hear of the talk coming out of the White House and the Pentagon. "I haven't heard about this," he said, "and I'm very surprised they'd make such statements without consulting with the Iraqi side." After asking us to send him copies of the statements made by the White House and the Pentagon, he told us that his party is "against leaving any permanent bases in Iraq; in fact, we are for setting a timetable for a complete withdrawal of the MNF from Iraq." That was, again, a representative of the pro-occupation Iraqi Islamic Party.

Washington Post staffer Ann Scott Tyson also chose to quote Snow and Gates for her piece, along with Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, who oversees daily military operations in Iraq. Odierno thinks staying in Iraq for a few dozen years is a grand idea. "That would be nothing but helping the Iraqi security forces and the government to continue to stabilize itself," he assured reporters at a Pentagon news conference. Most of the article focused on more details of the DoD's long-term designs as laid out by Odierno, but Tyson did get a dissenting view from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a man who knows a lot about Beltway politics but presumably very little about the daily humiliation of living under foreign occupation.

Tyson might have put in a call to Dr. Mowaffak al Rubaie, Iraq's National Security Advisor and a close advisor to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Rubaie is neither a nationalist nor an opponent of the U.S. occupation -- in fact he traveled to D.C. last month to lobby members of Congress against pulling out U.S. troops (he reportedly had a nice sit-down with neocon Joe Lieberman). At the time, he told the Times' Michael Gordon that he felt Iraq was "on the last mile of a walk toward success, and if they [Congress] let go and don't take our hand, I feel that we are going to lose everything.''

But al Rubaie, too, was shocked when we asked him his reaction towards the Korea model. "I'm very surprised by these statements regarding leaving U.S. bases until the Judgment Day," he said. "This is a forced marriage -- shouldn't they ask the bride first?" Rubaie said that he would get in touch with his contacts in the United States to inform them that the plans were simply "not acceptable."

We found the same theme in story after story. Paul Richter's Los Angeles Times piece quoted the administration's flacks and Michael O'Hanlon from the Brookings Institution. The AP's Terence Hunt apparently couldn't find even one person who was critical of the Korea model for a quote, either in the United States or in Iraq, for his story, and while the Seattle Times staff got a quote from an unnamed aide to nationalist cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, it was on a different topic entirely.

There were no comments about the Korea model by Iraqis in any of the stories we read. None of the reporters talked to Nassar al-Rubaie, the head of the Al-Sadr bloc in Iraq's parliament, who told us: "There is no Iraqi who will agree to keep permanent U.S. bases. Even the ones who are against the timetable for withdrawal oppose a long-term U.S. presence." He added: "These White House and Pentagon statements are completely unacceptable."

And none of them spoke with Saleh al Mutlaq, the powerful leader of the Iraqi National Dialogue Front, who said of talk of a Korea model: "This will make the few Iraqis who still believe in a political solution lose hope." He warned that "planning to leave permanent bases will only increase our political and military problems."

We tried to reach all of the reporters cited in this story. Sanger and Hunt were out of town -- presumably traveling with Bush in Europe -- and Richter didn't return our calls by press time.

When we reached the Washington Post's Ann Scott Tyson and asked her why there were no Iraqi voices in her story, she was somewhat taken aback by the question. She hadn't considered getting the views of any Iraqis, "because the story was focused on a shift in the administration's thinking here in Washington. It wasn't really focused on Iraqis, or their reaction." She later added: "There's a limited number of viewpoints you can include." Tyson explained that it wasn't always possible to reach people in Iraq for a quote before deadline. It's a valid point, except that several of the articles we reviewed were analyses written several days after talk of the Korea model started kicking around D.C. When we asked if that were true in this case, she said it wasn't -- it was primarily because the story wasn't "taking place in Iraq."

If Tyson and the other reporters had made some long-distance calls, they might have added a crucial bit of context to their stories: that regardless of what the White House may or may not have planned for the future of Iraq, the fact that they would even mention a 50-year strategy in public was profoundly bone-headed -- far more so than Bush's infamous challenge to Iraqi insurgents to "bring 'em on!"

They would quickly have realized that talking about the Korea model is a godsend for the recruiters of Iraq's armed resistance groups and a profound betrayal of even the White House's closest allies in Baghdad -- many of whom returned from exile during the Saddam era and are now struggling to convince the population that they're not merely puppets of the Anglo-American occupation.

But they didn't make those calls, and that's an important part of how consent for throwing thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars into an occupation of a distant land is manufactured here at home: It starts with the assumption that the story of the U.S. "intervention" in Iraq can be told by talking to military analysts and "senior administration officials" in D.C., but without ever hearing from the people living on the fringes of the American Empire. It not always intentional; it's a facet of our media culture: You talk to "serious" analysts in Washington if you want to be seen as serious yourself.

The result is that while more than six in ten Americans favor setting a timeline for getting troops out of Iraq (PDF), another one in three labors under the illusion that American soldiers are welcome in Iraq -- that there are insurgents on one hand and Iraqis who support the coalition on the other. Where would the political fight over this four-year occupation be if it were widely understood that the vast majority of Iraqis -- of all ethnicities and religious faiths and across the ideological spectrum -- are united in at least one thing: their desire not to live under open-ended U.S. occupation.

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Joshua Holland is an AlterNet staff writer. Raed Jarrar is Iraq consultant to the American Friends Service Committee. He blogs at Raed in the Middle.

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Posted by: Monitor523 on Jun 8, 2007 1:21 AM   
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Joshua and Raed have done a good job of tracking down a range of voices other journalists should have done. That was the point of the piece - and now that it's done, there's a supplemental job that builds on that, which is incorporating those voices (now available) into the analyses presented to the public. Most of the rest of the media probably won't do that either.

One thing that probably ought to appear in any such analysis is that there continues to be strong opposition to US bases in Korea, but this isn't an issue where the government is really susceptible to pressure from its population, mainly because it doesn't have de facto authority to tell the US military to leave. (Of course it CAN do so - and then lose credibility when they don't. Few politicians are willing to do that.) A major difference in Iraq is that the bases are not yet long-established (though, despite cutoffs for funding for NEW base construction, many of them are already there). One thing it would be nice to see an analysis of is how much difference the popular opposition among Iraqis to such bases will make. All? Some? None? Given the dire lack of good information coming out of Iraq, I personally have no idea, and little clear sense of how to get one.

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» RE: And now... Posted by: cyrena1987
Those who desire a withdrawal of American troops will be placated
Posted by: ateo on Jun 8, 2007 1:24 AM   
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Of course the withdrawal won't be complete. What whoever is in charge of the Iraq war (Bush? Cheney? International bankers? Who knows?) is trying to create is a situation in which a friendly Iraqi government can operate independent of U.S. forces.

At that point the growing political tide against the Iraq war will be placated by withdrawing 80% or more of the troops in Iraq and "normalizing" the situation with 1 year short over seas tours rather than 3-15 month deployments to a warzone.

So we're kind of in a race against the clock situation where Bush desperately wants to give the people what they want - a semi-stable Iraq with a functional government, and a withdrawal of the majority of U.S. troops in Iraq by the end of his term. That is his definition of success in Iraq, leaving behind an American presence for decades to come without passing on a deadly guerrilla war to the next administration.

Either Iraq will be recorded in history as a total waste of lives and money ala Vietnam or a success if we can achieve success as detailed above before political pressures become too great and an abandonment of Iraq becomes necessary.

Regardless of what the people think the democrats are apparently going to continue funding the Iraq war until they get a democratic president elected (or perhaps even then) so Bush has no incentive to stop his war before the end of his term.

It's all a race against the clock: does Bush win a long term strategic base for U.S. forces in the middle East and secure his legacy as a successful wartime president or does the U.S. throw away thousands of lives, create untold havoc and destruction in the lives of Iraqis, spend over a trillion dollars for nothing?

The clock is running short, I'd say the next 18 - 24 months will answer these questions and more.

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» That goes without saying Posted by: ateo
EMPIRE CORP INTERNATIONAL
Posted by: Hal on Jun 8, 2007 3:07 AM   
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Nothing much new here.

Snake oil “war on terror” with its public slaughter for cozy private riches was clearly decided decades before 911 cover-up and its obscenity at Iraq War Inc.

To pretend a string of puppet garrison states from Iraq to Eurasia were about much more than Big Oil and power grabs for the usual suspects is naïve indeed. And as badly as “war on terror” has gone, coordinating it all was done at the highest levels (and I don’t mean circus fronts at DC or London).

Of course, MSM Stepford shills Sanger, Brooks, Friedman, etc, etc, are paid to bark out new corporate mob lies as old ones wear out.

Worldwide corporate “empire” rule that rigs our latest killing fields cares no more for nations than human life. Until people at large realize that simple reality there will be no progress at preventing war and even less at securing peace.

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Josh and Raed nailed it!
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 8, 2007 4:46 AM   
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Pardon the cliché but from my experience as an investigative journalist, the avocation is not rocket science. In today’s cyberspace world, any curious writer dedicated to truth-finding who has a modem-equipped computer wired to the Internet can find important information missed by the media.

Thankfully for AlerNet readers -- those who want to be informed citizens, unlike trolls and Bush fans -- Josh and Raed took their quest for the truth about Iraq an additional mile by using the old-fashioned telephone, still an amazingly effective device as their article shows.

Thanks, guys, for an excellent piece of reporting.

As for comparing Iraq with South Korea, only a nonreader of history books would equate the two situations which tells me that Bush, who ironically majored in history at Yale, missed a helluva lot of classes.

For the truth about Dub-ya the Dolt, the dumbest U.S. president ever, visit my nonprofit website, King-George.biz -- the only one with hardcopy proof of White House corruption, made especially entertaining with 60 Bushwhacking photos, cartoons and other illustrations.

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ECLECTICIST, S JIM RODRIGUEZ
Posted by: SJR505 on Jun 8, 2007 5:13 AM   
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One thing for sure, Geo. W(WEASEL) BUSH is not a "P-E-N-D-E-J-O", but is smart enough to throw Turd Blossom news crumbs to confuse the media hungry novices...In the diverse media hounds eager to be first, they follow whatever bone is thrown to them...Notice that everytime Bush begins to loose ground on one issue or it bcomes negative like Immigration, Global Warming, Iran,etc.. along comes the Weasel throwing another bone and "here we go again(Reagan)..."

The media is addicted to Barbara Streisant(BS) stuff even though it was or may not have been imported from China with the tainted additive, Melamine...The media doe not get it, their own Tony Snow, really gives his own collegues a snow job every time, and they still look for him as the Bush "Truth Teller"... And, for the believers that the media is "FAIR AND BALANCED..."certainly not in our world or from any media outlet...

Recordar, remember :

FORTY YEARS A SHEEPHERDER, AND CAN'T RECOGNIZE A SHEEP..."

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

S. JIM RODRIGUEZ+ECLECTICIST SPIRIT SEEKER+

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The appalling arrogance and presumption
Posted by: HeroesAll on Jun 8, 2007 5:46 AM   
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When we asked if that were true in this case, she said it wasn't -- it was primarily because the story wasn't "taking place in Iraq."

This is indicative of the most egregious arrogance which, sadly, seems to be far too common amongst white Westerners, particularly (but not limited to) Americans.

I mean, when you say that you don't bother asking any Iraqis what they think about what your government has planned for their country, that's a bit rude, isn't it? Did none of them even think of it? Or is it just that it doesn't matter what the Iraqis think?

Whatever the case, it makes a mockery of the Republican claim that the Iraq war was for the Iraqis' own good.

Excellent article, Joshua and Raed. I'll be crossing every digit I possess that the Iraqi guys you talked to will be on the phone to their American contacts, blistering their ears with a few choice words.

Words like "Get the hell out now!" would be favourite.

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» It's interesting ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» It's imperialism Posted by: HeroesAll
» No, it's American exceptionalism Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: It's interesting ... Posted by: umrayya
» RE: It's interesting ... Posted by: HeroesAll
» Keep in mind ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: It's interesting ... Posted by: sospamme
This is shocking!
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jun 8, 2007 6:10 AM   
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It seems that our government has the same level of regard for the opinions of the Iraqi citizens that they have for the opinions of the American citizens.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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The revolution
Posted by: solrev on Jun 8, 2007 6:19 AM   
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“The truth will set you free” turns out to be a false statement. The propaganda machine is just too powerful and truth is irrelevant When Bush said “I would rather fight them in Iraq than here”, what he meant was he would rather fight them in Iraq rather than in Saudi Arabia. There is an Islamic fundamentalist movement some of who are terrorists. They recognize how easy it is for greedy people to hijack the democratic system in the west. They want the ultimate authority in their lands to be God, as represented by some master cleric. The Pope model of early Christianity seems to be the model they want to follow. This alliance in the Islamic world between terrorists and common fundamentalist people will never accept a long occupation by the west in the Middle East. Democracy in the Middle East will only survive if there is a holy blessing from God, delivered by the master cleric. The problem for Islam is the master cleric a Shia or Sunni or some more minor sect. This battle must be fought in Iraq one more time. A united Islam in Iraq will have far reaching value in the Islamic world. Welcome to the Islamic revolution.

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» RE: The revolution...? Posted by: oregoncharles
Petition
Posted by: Maryanne on Jun 8, 2007 7:13 AM   
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There is a petition on AfterDowningStreet.com to the Iraqi Embassy in Washington, asking their Parliament to stand firm in their present opposition to the continuation of the occupation. It also includes a report of conversation with an Iraqi woman, , president of The Iraqi Elecrical Utility Workers who would be delighted with such support and who also says that there would NOT be total chaos if the occupation ends since the occupation prevents the Iraqis from holding their government accountable at present.

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» RE: Petition Posted by: cyrena1987
Sadly, this IS the role of the corporate media...
Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jun 8, 2007 7:20 AM   
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The mainstream media is not a mouthpiece of "truth" but rather, a gatekeeper for the status quo. They may attack here and there on partisan issues, but on long-term ones like this, they always stay silent or show vocal support.

That's what you get when you have a government-backed corporate cartel running an industry. That's just what we have in the media.

We should all be thankful for the internet, and sites like AlterNet - without such access, we'd likely be in the dark about much much more.

Hopefully we'll start to realize that all this power we've given the politicians is the real problem - because power granted is always liable to abuse.

Some follow up reading on this:

"Leaders Don't Kill People..." - click here

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Joshua, Raed...
Posted by: sausage on Jun 8, 2007 7:44 AM   
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Officially this has been a non-story for the Mainstream Media since the first mention of "14 enduring bases for Iraq" in '04. Our elected officials deneied the construction of permanant bases in Iraq from the beginning, and continue to do so.

And when asked about pResident Bush's future plans for American forces in Iraq, Tony Snow blurted out:"The Korean model is one in which the United States provides a security presence, but you've had the development of a successful democracy in South Korea over a period of years, and, therefore, the United States is there as a force of stability[.]" This warranted nary a blip on the MSM's radar. My hometown newspaper was blissfully ignorant of the remark.

So it's not surprizing that American "reporters" would not ask Iraqi lawmakers for their opinion concering U.S. designs for a future Iraq.

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CleaningUP U.S.
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jun 8, 2007 7:55 AM   
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The people reading this know we’re in trouble, maybe we’re divided about what to do about it, but those details can be settled later. We know we have a problem and the solution to problems always involves change. We need change and we can’t change republicans, so we must change ourselves to effect future change.

In addition to Republicans stirring up trouble ALL over the world, we have the Leaders of the Democratic party telling U.S. that Impeachment is off the Table. That’s how our political system worked in the past, and that’s one of things we have to change, right now. If the legislators supposed to be representing U.S. are instead going against U.S., we need to do some serious HouseCleaning. Which means we must do some serious thinking about voting for people who represent our BEST interests.

When you have a fire breathing dragon torching everything with each huff and puff, you gotta put that dragon out. Following George W. Bush and the Republican party is like sweeping up after a parade of elephants with perpetual diarrhea. They never stop shittin’ on U.S.

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Is it any wonder
Posted by: willymack on Jun 8, 2007 8:23 AM   
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Our "press" didn't ask Iraqis what they thought of bush's intentions? Haven't they been making that crystal-clear on a daily basis? Hint: Check the body count.

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Gotta Get That Oil!
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jun 8, 2007 8:29 AM   
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Any doubts about BushCo's intent should be totally gone by now. In 50 years big oil can fully develop and deplete the Iraqi oil reserves.

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imperatives for Iraqi politicians/US peace forces
Posted by: lonl1 on Jun 8, 2007 9:01 AM   
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Good article - actual reporting of views that at one time would have been unthinkable not to report in the mainstream press. One might have thought that was a big reason why newspapers have foreign correspondents. Certainly in this day of email and team reporting, there was no reason at all why Iraqi views could not have been reported in the articles in question. That three major papers had articles with virtually the same thrust, sources and exclusions seems to be all the more evidence of blatant news management.

Peace loving people will take some satisfaction from no Iraqi politician being able to support US troops remaining for an extended period. It seems this means that the Iraqi people are completely united on one point: the US should get out! And why wouldn't they be, given the destruction of life, infrastructure and social order we have rained down upon them?

But it would be naive to think that various Iraqi politicians were "shocked, shocked" to hear about the US intention to stay. Of course, what they were shocked about was the fact that this was so openly declared by Bush, himself.

So yet again we see largely how news management in the era of the "unitary superpower" attempts to blind the US populace. But even as the administration tries to shore up its murderous and thoroughly rotted-out policy by admitting its aim to perpetuate the occupation, the act itself heightens the contradictions it faces.

Don't hold your breath waiting for this or any future administration to succeed, either in maintaining a military presence in Iraq or gaining acquiescence to it by people at home. Aside from the fact that it simply ain't happenin', the aims are unjust, morally insupportable and contrary to the real interests of our people.

Better to get out and demonstrate, the more massively the better. Harsh reality is impinging on the warmongers and we Americans demonstrating in the US streets will be happier for being part of it.

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Our media doesn't even question George W. Bushit!
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jun 8, 2007 10:56 AM   
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Or anyone else in control, like Cheney. They are so far up Republican butts it is pathetic. We HAVE no media in this country. This is NOT my country anymore.

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It should have been obvious
Posted by: Democritus on Jun 8, 2007 11:08 AM   
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When we spend billions of dollars to build our largest embassy in Baghdad, and more billions to build "enduring" bases" in other parts of Iraq, why should anyone be surprised that this Administration plans to have a long military presence in Iraq? When coalition forces secured Iraq's oil wells after the invasion, but neglected Iraqi antiquities, no one but the most gullible Iraqi could believe that we weren't out to grab their oil. But perhaps the Iraqi people get even less hard news from their media than we get from our ours, which is very little indeed. When will this Administration and its fawning press corps admit to their imperial designs on other countries?

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» RE: It should have been obvious Posted by: HeroesAll
Great article that reveals the self-imposed corporate press blinders
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 8, 2007 12:47 PM   
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Here are a few more names. These stories aren't written in a vacuum - the editors choose the reporters who will cover the stories, and manage the process every step of the way.

New York Times reporter: David Sanger
Foreign Desk editor: Susan Chira
Executive editor: Bill Keller

Washington Post reporter: Ann Scott Tyson
Foreign editor: David Hoffman
National Editor: Liz Spayd
Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr.

Los Angeles Times reporter: Paul Richter
Foreign Policy: Bob Ourlian
National Editor: Scott Kraft
Editor: James E. O'Shea

AP: Terence Hunt... well, don't know what to say here. See Terence Hunt's history of being a white house spokesman. His next job will likely be Tony Snow's....

The reporters work inside this closed community that is managed by editors who must answer to media executives. They go to the same parties, and they all practice the same kind of self-censorship - the reporters want to please the editors, which leads to choice appointments, and the editors want to please the executives, which leads to promotions, and the executives have ties to the centers of the corporatocracy - Big Oil, Big Phama, Defense Contractors, Global Engineering Concerns, Big Agribusiness, and Wall Street Finance.

No wonder the reporters where startled and 'taken aback' by such questions - after all, no editor ever suggested they call an Iraqi and ask for a quote. However, in this case the US corporate reporting on the Bush-Pentagon PR line is itself the most interesting story - and the actors who deserve maximum public scrutiny are the reporters and editors who spew forth the Bush propaganda to the public.

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So what?
Posted by: dkm on Jun 8, 2007 3:05 PM   
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Why should anyone care about what the Iraqis think? We didn't ask them if they wanted to be invaded, did we? We didn't ask them if they wanted their whole nation destroyed, did we? We didn't ask them if we could kill more of them in less than 5 years than Hussein did in 20, did we? We didn't ask them if we could take our oil that is under their sand, did we? So why should we ask them if we can stay until we pump the last drop of oil out? Don't you people understand anything? They're only people, and since when have people mattered? If they wanted to be left alone, they should have let us steal, I mean take, their oil without fussing. This is about corporate profits, not some pie in the sky, pollyanna invasion for anyone's benefit but EXXON and Chevron. Where are your priorities, for crying out loud?

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Of course...
Posted by: Bbear41 on Jun 8, 2007 3:35 PM   
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...The US will stay in Iraq for 50 + years and keep killing Iraqes who are agin' us until there is no one left who disagrees. Then it will be much easier to get the oil.

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hippy
Posted by: hippy on Jun 8, 2007 6:30 PM   
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south koreas kicking our ass to the curb, gotta have a place for them troops to go. weve made it very clear that we are going to protect our lifes blood so the economy dosent tank.
at the end of the day thats what we re there for,plain and simple. we never had any intention of leaving.another puppet regime but this time the stakes are alot higher.now the truth comes out from bushes own lips. whoops

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WHY AMERICA CAN NEVER LEAVE IRAQ
Posted by: sofla100 on Jun 8, 2007 6:50 PM   
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American troops kept permanently in Iraq are meant to keep tight reigns on the price of oil. It's important to understand that Iraq has known oil reserves that are either the highest or second highest (after Saudi Arabia) in the world. Now, for America, it is not even important, or even really desirable, to necessarily start having this oil pumped immediately, just BEING IN CONTROL of that much potential oil is more than enough to control the price. American companies can very easily sell futures and rights many years in advance of development, with great manipulation on current oil prices. Hence, Russia, Iran and Venezuela, with large oil deposits, will have to keep oil priced and available the way the USA wants, or the price will be driven downwards costing them billions. Also, this way America will ensure the oil remains priced in USA dollars. If oil is ever priced in another currency, America could be ravaged as her massive debt is no longer tied to the valuable commodity of oil. Without oil, if the debt is ever "called in," America could not meet the call, and could only print money in hopes of trying to forestall this call (which would collapse the currency). So, my friends, this is what it is all about. The soldiers, the war. And, why America cannot ever leave Iraq.

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So what was Bush (Rove) Thinking this time?
Posted by: Gaubladt on Jun 8, 2007 7:44 PM   
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Since the "50 years" comment has been so clearly shown to be intended for internal US consumption, who was it aimed at?
I don't believe that it is an accident that Bush chose to say this so soon after congress passed the no-holds-barred-war-bucks military appropriations bill. The intent of the comment was probably to exasperate the activists in the anti-war movement and to further alienate them from his "Democrat" opposition.
This is just Bushes way of repaying the Democrats for giving him all the war toys he wants. The action demonstrates his reassertion of power and his utter contempt for his opponents in the US Congress as well as his allies in the Iraqi Congress.

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But they have ALWAYS disregarded Iraqis!
Posted by: umrayya on Jun 8, 2007 10:17 PM   
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Of course, disregarding Iraqis, even excluding them from decisions about their lives and the future of their country is nothing new. It was policy from the time that ridiculous little cock-a-hoop Bremer arrived in Baghdad to assume his role as proconsul. The engineers and technicians who had managed, against terrible odds, to maintain Iraq's critical services and deteriorating infrastructure throughout more than a dozen years of the most severe economic sanctions and import/export blockade in modern history were barred from doing their work, and in some cases told their services were no longer needed and that an American company would be taking over. The people who best knew the systems and how to maintain them - hundreds of thousands of skilled, experienced professionals, educators, and managers - were fired en masse because they had been forced to join the Ba`th party in order to maintain their careers.

American "advisers" made all the decisions about running Iraq's institutions and about the "rebuilding" (read transformation), including dictating to the Iraqis their new school curriculum and textbooks, and eliminating from their children's education large swaths of Iraq's history and culture.

Without consulting its citizens Iraq's civil institutions and economic system were completely dismantled and reinvented to fit the neocons' predetermined model. And without so much as a by-your-leave the U.S. occupiers imposed on Iraq, which had, from its inception, been a secular state, a political system based on sectarian and ethnic identity - one of the actions that created the environment for the current political conflict and violence.

It should come as no surprise, then, that no one from the Bush regime bothered to ask the Iraqis - including members of the supposedly sovereign (make-believe) government - how they felt about having their country used as a permanent (excuse me, "enduring") U.S. military base before announcing their intentions. It should also come as no surprise that it did not even occur to American reporters to make a single phone call to Iraq to ask a single Iraqi for their reaction to the announcement because, after all, "the story wasn't taking place in Iraq."

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Big 8 and N.Union
Posted by: SJ on Jun 9, 2007 9:31 PM   
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Let us not forget the Big 8 that helps George in all the M.E. assaults even in Lebanon. Not to mention the overall backing of North American Union that has E.U. members that are behind our corrupt goverments. What is the matter in the United States or is its press hidding our publics efforts to protest. Look at the protests in Europe at even Bushes presence in their countries talking to their bought out leaders. It is truly a world that the filthy rich have corrupted and taken over to control the oil. AND THE GENOCIDE FOR OIL CONTINUES WHILE CNN COVERS PARIS HILTON AND LOU DOBBS, WORRIES OVER THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Somethings got to give . By the way could someone please tell me how long the train has been gone. Is it coming back?

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Bemused Canadian
Posted by: sospamme on Jun 10, 2007 1:31 AM   
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It's been a long time since I saw any evidence that anyone in the USA had ever read anything by Noam Chomsky. Now I have.

If only you could keep it up for more than a day.

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Bush is Declaring Himself Dictator
Posted by: gary_7vn on Jun 13, 2007 3:59 PM   
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Bush says things like this just to see if anyone will complain. No one did, so he knows that he can do it, and do it easily, no one will stand up to him. For sure not the Dem's; who are just the relief pitchers in the fake game of democracy you play in America. Just like the over 700 signing statements, which declare Shrub the "unitary President", legalese for dictator/decider, no one did anything, in effect you have allowed this to happen. There is no democracy in America.

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