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Will Fiendish Giuliani Be Bush III?

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted June 7, 2007.


He's cashing in on 9/11, working with Karl Rove's henchmen and in cahoots with a Swift Boat-style attack on Hillary. By all accounts, he's a perfect choice to uphold the legacy of George W. Bush.
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Early Wednesday, May 16th, Charleston, South Carolina. The scene is a town-hall meeting staged by GOP presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, only a day after he wowed a patriotic Republican crowd at a nationally televised debate with a righteous ass-kicking of the party's latest Hanoi Jane, terrorist sympathizer Ron Paul. A bump in the polls later, "America's Mayor" is back on the campaign trail -- in a room packed with standard-issue Adorable Schoolchildren, in this case beatific black kids in elementary school uniforms with wide eyes and big RUDY stickers pinned to their oblivious breasts.

Giuliani has good stage presence, but his physical appearance is problematic -- virtually neckless, all shoulders and forehead and overbite, with a hunched-over, Draculoid posture that recalls, oddly enough, George W. Bush, the vestigial stoop of a once-chubby kid who grew up hiding tittie pictures from nuns. Not handsome, not cuddly, if he wins this thing it's going to be by projecting toughness and man-aura. But all presidential candidates have to play the baby-kissing game, and here is an early chance for Rudy to show his softer side.

"So," he whispers to the kids. "What do you all want to be when you grow up? Do any of you know?"

A bucktoothed boy raises his hand.

"I wanna be a doctor," he says, "and a lawyer."

The crowd laughs, then looks at Rudy expectantly. The obvious line is "A doctor and a lawyer? Whaddya want to do, sue yourself?" and you can see Rudy physically straining for the joke. But this candidate's funny bone is a microscopic thing, like one of those anvil-shaped deals in the ear, and the line eludes him.

"A doctor and a lawyer, huh?" he says, grinning nervously. "Uh ... whaddya want to do, sue the doctor?"

My notes from that moment read: Chirping crickets.

Rudy moves on. "How about you?" he says to the next boy.

"I want to be a policeman!" the kid says.

Rudy smiles. Then the next boy says he wants to be a fireman, and the crowd twitters: Wow, a fireman and a policeman, in the same room! Rudy is beaming now, almost certainly aware that every grown-up present is suddenly thinking about 9/11. His day. As he leans over, the room is filled with popping flashbulbs. Then, instead of capitalizing on the sense of pride and shared purpose everyone is feeling, Giuliani utters something truly strange and twisted.

"A fireman and a policeman, huh?" he says. "Well, the first thing that I want to do is make sure that you two get along."

Huh? Amid confused applause, Rudy flashes a queer smile, then moves on to the heart of his presentation, a neat little speech about how the election of a Democratic president will result in certain nuclear attack and the end of the free market as we know it. I'm barely listening, however, still thinking about the "make sure you get along" line.

Although few people outside of New York know it yet, there is an emerging controversy over Giuliani's heroic 9/11 legacy. Critics charge that Rudy's failure to resolve the feuding between the city's police and firefighters prior to the attack led to untold numbers of deaths, the most tragic example being the inability of firemen to hear warnings from police helicopters about the impending collapse of the South Tower. The 9/11 Commission concluded that the two departments had been "designed to work independently, not together," and that greater coordination would have spared many lives.

Given all that, why did Rudy offer this weirdly unsolicited reference to the controversy now? Was he joking? And if so, what the fuck? It was a strange and bitter comment to make, especially right on the heels of his grand-slam performance in the previous night's debate. If this is a guy who chews over a perceived slight in the middle of a victory lap, what's he going to be like with his finger on the button? Even Richard Nixon wasn't wound that tight.

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Rudy giuliani is a true American hero, and we know this because he does all the things we expect of heroes these days -- like make $16 million a year, and lobby for Hugo Chávez and Rupert Murdoch, and promote wars without ever having served in the military, and hire a lawyer to call his second wife a "stuck pig," and organize absurd, grandstanding pogroms against minor foreign artists, and generally drift through life being a shameless opportunist with an outsize ego who doesn't even bother to conceal the fact that he's had a hard-on for the presidency since he was in diapers. In the media age, we can't have a hero humble enough to actually be one; what is needed is a tireless scoundrel, a cad willing to pose all day long for photos, who'll accept $100,000 to talk about heroism for an hour, who has the balls to take a $2.7 million advance to write a book about himself called Leadership. That's Rudy Giuliani. Our hero. And a perfect choice to uphold the legacy of George W. Bush.

Yes, Rudy is smarter than Bush. But his political strength -- and he knows it -- comes from America's unrelenting passion for never bothering to take that extra step to figure shit out. If you think you know it all already, Rudy agrees with you. And if anyone tries to tell you differently, they're probably traitors, and Rudy, well, he'll keep an eye on 'em for you. Just like Bush, Rudy appeals to the couch-bound bully in all of us, and part of the allure of his campaign is the promise to put the Pentagon and the power of the White House at that bully's disposal.


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Rudy and the Frauds
Posted by: aussidawg on Jun 7, 2007 2:02 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
" The scene is a town-hall meeting staged by GOP presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, only a day after he wowed a patriotic Republican crowd at a nationally televised debate with a righteous ass-kicking of the party's latest Hanoi Jane, terrorist sympathizer Ron Paul. "

So Ron Paul is the repuglican party Hanoi Jane is he? Strange how a person becomes a traitor for telling the truth. Paul was right. Our foreign policy is insane. Why just ask Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh, or heck, as long as we are talking heros here, let's ask Dick Cheney, what would his reaction be if the Iraqis, Iranians, Russians, North Koreans, or anyone else but the Israelis came over here and built bases, stole our oil, killed our citizens, and generally made themselves unwelcome visitors. I'll bet ol Deadeye Dick would go grab his shootin' iron and kick some ass, and maybe even go fly an airplane into someones Mosque. Those Nam heroes sure wouldn't stand for any of that shit! (Of course in reality, they would go hire some poor kid off the street to go kick ass for them while they go hunt caged quail or tranquilized deer.) These guys are far too important to risk their necks.) What it boils down to is we would almost certainly attack any country that treated us like we treat them. It's simpy a matter of one looking at things from the perspective of others. What exactly makes doing that such a traitorous act?

Rudy Guliani, John McCain, Sam Brownback, Mitt Romney, and the rest of these slugs are complete and total frauds. They tell the idiots of Fox News mentality what they want to hear, but as far as proposing solutions for anything, they have no solutions, just sound bites and tough talk. They will simply continue dragging this country through the gutter just as has been done for the past six years. And personally, I don't believe we can survive another four years or even two years of this same ol crap.

I realize there ae a lot of folks out there that don't like Ron Paul, mainly because he is a conservative. Personay, I think he is just what the doctor ordered to get the country back on track where financial issues, foreign policy issues, and constitutional issues are concerned. He has one major handicap. He thinks, and that scares people.

I guess I can say one good thing for Mr. Guliani at least. I'll betcha he can read "My Pet Goat" in less tha one hour without any help whatsoever!

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What if Giuliani ran as a Democrat?
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 7, 2007 2:58 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Suppose Rudy magically became the Dem’s 2008 presidential candidate -- with the same personal baggage. What would the Republican National Committee do?

ANSWER: It would DESTROY the former NYC mayor.

Talk about swift-boating! The Karl Rove campaign against John Kerry would be BB-gun caliber compared to the cannons used by the RNC to defeat Democrat Rudy, who would lose by a landslide.

The thought of him winning the Republican nomination next year should have Howard Dean and the DNC smiling like sharks, eager to rip Mr. 9/11 to shreds in the dirtiest Democratic campaign ever.

My fear is, the Dems won’t have the stomach for an all-out, gloves-off political war.

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» Playing dirty Posted by: kepstein7777
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 7, 2007 3:28 AM   
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Sticking it to Rudy in plain English. I wanted to list all the great lines from this article, but there's too many.

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Giuliani has no legs
Posted by: robchapman on Jun 7, 2007 4:16 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Giuliani has no core beliefs only ambition.

Giuliani has no resect for people, only for power.

If Giuliani should become President, the cult of personality that has flourished around GW Bush will be quickly transferred and ramped up.

There is no Bush legacy, only a political machine, Giuliani wants to get control of that.

Giuliani, however is the slave of his passions: his anger, his lust, his greed, his insatiable ambition.

Giuliani's lack of self-control will destroy his candidacy.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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» RE: Giuliani has no legs Posted by: CatDad
Pardon the obvious; but
Posted by: futurefarm on Jun 7, 2007 4:48 AM   
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It should be stated yet again that the evidence clearly implicates Giuliani in the coverup of the false flag attacks of 911. He was part of the attack team. He is a traitor. Why does he walk free among us? Are we so weak as a people that we allow such a man to mock our lack of consciousness and competence?

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» RE: Pardon the obvious; but Posted by: Sandyj
Baby-kissing is child abuse.
Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle on Jun 7, 2007 5:32 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There oughtta be a law that the child can sue the politician on reaching majority.

And, as long as we're focusing on physical appearance --

"...with a hunched-over, Draculoid posture..."

-- if he stood up straight with his chest out, he'd look too much like Mussolini.

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The End
Posted by: snowhound on Jun 7, 2007 5:33 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If Giuliani gets elected, it will mark the end of any hope this country had to return to it's former glory. Actualy if this corporate puppet gets elected I'm seriously thinking about getting out of this country. Maybe northern Europe?

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» RE: The End Posted by: outlander55
Bush+
Posted by: edith on Jun 7, 2007 5:36 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
He's smarter, meaner, and a former prosecutor. A competent W. (oxymoron?)

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Chris Henick?
Posted by: wanderindiana on Jun 7, 2007 5:37 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
So, there's one guy who used to work for Rove, who just happened to be the White House contact to Giuliani on 9/11. What else should we know about him?

From a Manchester Academy alumni newsletter (the page seems to have been scrubbed):

Chris Henick

From the classrooms of Manchester Academy to the Oval Office of the White House – this is the journey MA graduate Chris Henick has made in his illustrious career as a prominent political advisor. After graduating from MA in 1974, Henick attended the University of Mississippi and received a BA degree in Liberal Studies from Georgetown University.

Henick’s interest in political campaigns began at an early age and less than ten years after leaving MA he served as State Field Coordinator for Haley Barbour’s US Senate Campaign. For the next two decades Henick successfully managed numerous campaigns for Republican candidates throughout the nation. In recognition of his brilliant strategy for electing the second highest number of Republican Governors in 1994, Henick was named a Fellow at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government in 1995.

Recognized for his expertise in formulating political strategy, Henick was named Deputy Director of Strategy for the George W. Bush presidential campaign in 2000. As a result, after the election Henick was appointed by the President as Deputy Assistant to the Senate Advisor. He also assisted Carl Rove in overseeing the strategic planning, political affairs, intergovernmental, and public liaison efforts of the White House. In addition, Chris became the White House liaison to the City and State of New York. As a result of this appointment, Chris now serves as an advisor to Giuliani Partners, a New York based business consulting firm founded by former Mayor Guiliani of New York City.


So before he was personally close to Karl Rove, he was personally close to Haley Barbour. Which connection is more ominous? People are so focused on Rove that they forget about the influence of the Barbour Griffith Rogers machine.

BTW, if anyone can find a better bio on Henick, please post it here.

If Matt Taibbi wanted to do a really interesting article, he'd trace the GOP tendrils in all the campaigns -- and though he could start with Giuliani's campaign, I'll bet you a dollar John McCain has more influential GOPers working for him.

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From Ghouliani to Naziani
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jun 7, 2007 6:13 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Check out digg for the story on how Giuliani had someone arrested for asking a question. It's got over 6000 diggs so far.

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What Giuliani DOESNT have
Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jun 7, 2007 6:15 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
--is the daughter of the Vice President working on his campaign, and George P. Bush in there supporting him. The candidate who has the support of a Cheney and a Bush is the most likely winner, however fraudulently that occurs. Go for three!

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» RE: What Giuliani DOESNT have Posted by: aonghus36
Did Giuliani know?
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jun 7, 2007 6:26 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Did Giuliani know the air at the World Trade Center was poison? Considering the fact that he somehow knew the WTC towers were going to collapse before they did, I think it's safe to assume he knew!

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If Rudy gets elected...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 7, 2007 6:39 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
... get ready for censorship.. have to make sure none of that pesky art (by catholic artists... better catholics than the multipe-mortal sin comitting Rudy) in the entire country is "anti-catholic". Have to make sure it all meets Rudy's personal approval.

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I’m fascinated:
Posted by: BenCaxton12 on Jun 7, 2007 7:00 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What is Rudy up to? He can’t win, Too many 'ohshits' in his personnel file … too few real achievements on his resume -- and a personality that only a Leather Slave with pathological “daddy issues” could love. Since he can’t spend his campaign fund on cocaine and call girls, could all this be advertising and promotion for Guiliani Associates ?

And why was Matt Tiabbi handling the old gargoyle so gently this time around?

One consolation: “History” is against Rude Rudy Thugliani. Mayors of NYC sometimes come from higher office to do penance for their sins in Higher Office … but not even ONE has gone on to be Governor or Senator, much less President.

And if he DID win, it would only be the final proof that the American People are unfit to govern themselves. The harm will have been already done. Rude Rudi would only be the skull and crossbones on the poison bottle.

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» RE: I’m fascinated: Posted by: VZEQICVA
Rudy is no Hero...
Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jun 7, 2007 7:11 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
And it seems to me that more and more people have been realizing this over the years.

He wants to give us all a national id card to "protect us" - he seems to just love war and has no respect for our constitutional liberties.

To me, he's Bush and more. On top of it, he's just a simple opportunist, who took advantage of a tragedy for his own political gain. A lot of people are standing up and making public what a horrible job he actually did on 9-11.....most notably, the firefighters.

Some interesting reading on this:

"Giuliani vs the Firefighters" - click here

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Guiliani for President of 9/11
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Jun 7, 2007 7:34 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I can't believe how cynical the exploitation of 9/11 has become. Well I suppose I can believe it but running this man for President on what is basically a platform of being mayor of NYC on 9/11 is just beyond the pale. On a visceral level Guiliani makes me cringe more than any other candidate but I still don't see how he is any different from the other R candidates. I see little difference between him and the D candidates as well. This is a man that stands for nothing.

The only thing I take issue with in this article is Taibbi's dismissal of Ron Paul as a candidate. People actually watch the debates, especially people that vote in primary elections. Its a long-shot yes, but a LOT of people are hearing this guy and agreeing with him. He's the best shot this country has to restore the Constitution and restore the nation's honor. Kucinich has some good ideas as well but his electability in a general election will be zero. If Ron Paul can make it past the primary he has the ability to unite the American people with his ideas and message.

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GUILLIANI'S CAMPAIGN IS PAYMENT FOR DESTROYING 9/11 FORENSIC EVIDENCE.
Posted by: BillDouglas on Jun 7, 2007 7:43 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Rudy Guilliani, right after 9/11/2001, told Peter Jennings that they had been told to evacuate their headquarters because the WTC Towers were about to collapse.

In recent questioning, Guilliani is now denying that "anyone" knew the towers were coming down. The corporate media is not holding him accountable for this huge discrepency in his testimony.

Why is this important. When somone told Guilliani that the towers were coming down, Rudy could have alerted all the 1st responders and saved God knows how many lives.

Also, since no steel reinforced skyscrapers in all of engineering history have ever collapsed due to fire or external damage . . . who would know they were coming down? Shouldn't Rudy tell us who knew the future, before anyone else in the world did?

MORE IMPORTANTLY, Rudy was key in having the WTC steel destroyed before a full forensic investigation could be completed. He had it shipped to China and India to be recycled. Fire Engineering Magazine cried foul, saying never in fire forensics has evidence been destroyed so quickly.

Why's Rudy do it? Perhaps a quid pro quo. You destroy the evidence of the biggest false flag inside job terror strike, . . . and we'll make you President.

Sound far fetched? Think about it. Rudy has been running on one issue. Be scared, be very scared. They will attack us again, and you need me to protect you.

A mayor of a city is suddenly catapulted to the head of the GOP race. Why? Because he failed to give Firefighters and Police radios that WORKED before 9/11? Because he put the command center in WTC 7, even after experts said don't put it in the WTC complex after the 1993 bombing? Because he sent unprotected 1st responders into poison air, which has now ruined their lives and killed several? Because Rudy had the 9/11 evidence destroyed, when fire forensic people were asking why in the hell anyone would do such a thing?

This isn't rocket science, its just common sense. Rudy needs to answer who told him the World Trade Center's were coming down before anyone in the world knew. Then he has to answer why WTC debris was destroyed before an investigation, and why even now he'd had city workers use 9/11 rubble containing pieces of 9/11 family members to fill pot holes, rushing the process.

These are important questions, more important than his religious views, or the other banal questions Wolf Blitzer or the corporate media will throw at him like big soft balls.

A reporter who did ask Rudy's campaign manager these questions, was arrested by the police for his efforts. More media need to be getting arrested if that's what it takes to get answers.

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» Their silence is deafening, isn't it? Posted by: thoughtcriminal
THE MOLDING AND MARKETING OF A CANDIDATE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 7, 2007 7:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We've been here before. Nobody seriously challenged Bush. He didn't win by much but look at us. We got stuck with him. A few months after 9/11 Rudy's firemen couldn't even get a raise. He really is an SOB. An angry guy with far too much baggage and a history of repeated bad decisions. He makes no apoligies to anyone, ever. He's another war monger and we don't need him. The press should stop the 'special handling'. Thanks, ANNA

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THE MOLDING AND MARKETING OF A CANDIDATE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 7, 2007 7:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We've been here before. Nobody seriously challenged Bush. He didn't win by much but look at us. We got stuck with him. A few months after 9/11 Rudy's firemen couldn't even get a raise. He really is an SOB. An angry guy with far too much baggage and a history of repeated bad decisions. He makes no apoligies to anyone, ever. He's another war monger and we don't need him. The press should stop the 'special handling'. Thanks, ANNA

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If George Bushit had been doing his job
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jun 7, 2007 8:39 AM   
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Rudy would never have been noticed by the media. HE put the communication center in the Trade Center and was responsible for hundreds of unnecessary deaths. Like most
Republicans, he is a murderer, or at least an accessory to murder. If President Bushit had acted like a leader, instead of being unavailable for hours after the attacks, Rudy would never have been noticed.

On Sept. 10 Rudy was one of the most ineffectual and disliked mayors in the country. And those of us who have lived under his "dictatorship" would never vote for him. But then the American media is ineffectual and the public is kept fu'in stupid. So who knows.

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Rudy and Jingoism re Health Care Reform
Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 7, 2007 8:46 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thanks Matt Taibbi-

Giuliani's jingoistic comments about "Socialized Medicine" which he repeated several times during the recent debate were also profoundly disturbing.

I've decided this man is a true menace

Dr. Rick Lippin
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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Taibbi hits the mark again
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 7, 2007 10:41 AM   
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The only thing I'd add is to this paragraph:
Although respiratory-mask use was mandatory, the city allowed a macho culture to develop on the site: Even the mayor himself showed up without a mask. By October, it was estimated, masks were being worn on site as little as twenty-nine percent of the time. Rudy proclaimed that there were "no significant problems" with the air at the World Trade Center. But there was something wrong with the air: It was one of the most dangerous toxic-waste sites in human history, full of everything from benzene to asbestos and PCBs to dioxin (the active ingredient in Agent Orange). Since the cleanup ended, police and firefighters have reported a host of serious illnesses -- respiratory ailments like sarcoidosis; leukemia and lymphoma and other cancers; and immune-system problems.

That's exactly it - but the corporate media at the time played right along. They reported quite often that the steel girders had been coated with a 'mineral fire retardent' - I heard that phrase over and over again - but they didn't say what it was. The WTC went up in the 70s - and they used asbestos as the 'mineral fire retardent'.

This 'macho culture' is standard and deliberate fare for workers in toxic industries - be a man! You can take cancer and birth defects! Dioxin, by the way, is a common side product of burning plastic, and is indeed the reason that Agent Orange caused so many birth defects and cancers - but the herbicidal agent in Agent Orange isn't dioxin, it's 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D - but the sloppy synthesis used created mass amounts of dioxin in Agent Orange.

Why bother bringing this up? Because the chemical industry (Monsanto) carried out studies with carefully purified 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T which 'proved that Agent Orange had no bad side effects'.

Guliani, Rove, Bush, McCain, Rommey - these guys are some of the slimiest people on the planet. Shameless - it's incredible.

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Spare Me
Posted by: guybjones on Jun 7, 2007 12:34 PM   
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I'm a New Yorker. Giuliani's intelligence and administrative skills are unquestioned. Unfortunately, his character flaws are too stark and important for me to ignore. Exhibit 1 is personality. Giuliani has more than a forceful personality. There is a bullying undercurrent to his demeanor that I do not care for, and I don't believe it's an insignificant trait. Listen to his treatment of the advocate for ferret legalisation on his radio show. Demeaning, immature, and, psychologically speaking, disturbing. A former city councilman who was a guest speaker at my law school class told us that Giuliani was incapable of taking the viewpoints of advisors and department heads into account when pondering policy decisions. This is a good quality in a dictator. Not so much in an elected politician.

Exhibit 2 is Patrick Dorismond. Mr. "law and order" Giuliani had no problem ILLEGALLY releasing the sealed juvenile criminal record of Mr. DOrismond after he had been shot dead by a controversial street crimes unit which had propositioned him to tell them where they could buy marijuana. This was a blatant attempt to tarnish the reputation of a man who had died in undeniably tragic circumstances. This tells me that A) Giuliani is a vindictive bastard and B) has no qualms about flouting the law when it suits his petty purposes.

Exhibit 3 consists of Giuliani's recent statements in the debates. He declared that, knowing what we know now, the war in Iraq was "absolutely the right choice." The man whose entire candidacy and private sector success is built on 9/11, who can't stop talking about 9/11, whose every justification for any foreign policy stance is 9/11, believes that a war initiated on deceitful premises, against a country that did not attack us, that had nothing to do with 9/11, which has resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqis, displaced millions, costs over $500 billion (short-term), unleashed human suffering on a scale that makes 9/11 look like a tea party, and destabilized an entire region is THE RIGHT CHOICE??!!!

I could weep if I wasn't so angry.

Exhibit 4: Pandering, spur-of the moment stances of political expediency - his sudden opposition to civil unions (what is the equitable or legal basis for this?), believing Libby should be pardoned, his "I'm against abortion - no, wait, I'm for it, no, what I mean to say is..." waffling, the list goes on and on. 'Nuff said.

I wish I could be confident he wasn't going to win the nomination. Frankly, the last seven years have proven one thing - anything is possible. I don't really have any faith anymore in the ability of the American populace to choose leaders of integrity.

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Matt Taibbi's Nonprogressive Verbal Tactics
Posted by: Earthian on Jun 7, 2007 3:03 PM   
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Matt is pretty wonderful. So is his writing and analysis. He is tough. We need tough progressives. But there is something wrong with calling Rudy a "mother****er" I think. I consider Mayor Giuliani's worldview an Earth-destroying, genocidal, criminal one, but I'd rather apply negative labels to the worldview, the assumptions, the policies and decisions than to the person. So in this sense Matt misses they key Buddhist/Jesus/Confucius/Tolstoy/Gandhi/King idea of non-violence (embraced by the Green Party) that we want to convert the opposition (and many fence-sitters) via a positive message and by refraining from using any tactics on our adversaries that we don't want used on ourselves--in essence, the high, ethical path--the Golden Rule. First formulated by Confucius (among the founders of the Great Religions) he said, "Whatever you do not want done to you, do not do to others." So Matt is right to oppose the likes of Mayor Giuliani and his ideas and policies, but in doing so with verbally abusive speech, he is not being interpersonally progressive (cooperative) but instead uses verbal tactics of domination, derision and abuse. (And he creates a verbal environment that excludes many young people, say from eight to 17, from this website by using "adult-only" language.) And I think Matt has great things to say, and says them extraordinarily well. And verbal abuse detracts from the message. But I still liked the article.

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Ron Paul moment
Posted by: ateo on Jun 7, 2007 3:14 PM   
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Just when I thought it was common knowledge that the terrorists are motivated by America's decades of interference in the Middle East Giuliani throws out his feigned ignorance as a response to Ron Paul asserting that very fact.

And the imbeciles in the crowd cheered. "Shut up you Ron Paul, everyone knows the terrorists hate us because we're free!"

I'm never wasting my time voting again. The U.S. political system is doomed with morons like those in the debate crowds out voting the rest of us by 100 to 1.

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Here Is An Article About His Devisive Administration of NY
Posted by: dlf on Jun 7, 2007 3:45 PM   
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Dorismond was a case that I don't believe was picked up nationally. Here is the Vil