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Why Cuba Is Exporting Health Care to the U.S.
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They live longer than almost anyone in Latin America. Far fewer babies die. Almost everyone has been vaccinated, and such scourges of the poor as parasites, TB, malaria, even HIV/AIDS are rare or non-existent. Anyone can see a doctor, at low cost, right in the neighborhood.
The Cuban health care system is producing a population that is as healthy as those of the world's wealthiest countries at a fraction of the cost. And now Cuba has begun exporting its system to under-served communities around the world -- including the United States.
The story of Cuba's health care ambitions is largely hidden from the people of the United States, where politics left over from the Cold War maintain an embargo on information and understanding. But it is increasingly well-known in the poorest communities of Latin America, the Caribbean, and parts of Africa where Cuban and Cuban-trained doctors are practicing.
In the words of Dr. Paul Farmer, Cuba is showing that "you can introduce the notion of a right to health care and wipe out the diseases of poverty."
Health Care for All Cubans
Many elements of the health care system Cuba is exporting around the world are common-sense practices. Everyone has access to doctors, nurses, specialists, and medications. There is a doctor and nurse team in every neighborhood, although somewhat fewer now, with 29,000 medical professionals serving out of the country -- a fact that is causing some complaints. If someone doesn't like their neighborhood doctor, they can choose another one.
House calls are routine, in part because it's the responsibility of the doctor and nurse team to understand you and your health issues in the context of your family, home, and neighborhood. This is key to the system. By catching diseases and health hazards before they get big, the Cuban medical system can spend a little on prevention rather than a lot later on to cure diseases, stop outbreaks, or cope with long-term disabilities. When a health hazard like dengue fever or malaria is identified, there is a coordinated nationwide effort to eradicate it. Cubans no longer suffer from diphtheria, rubella, polio, or measles and they have the lowest AIDS rate in the Americas, and the highest rate of treatment and control of hypertension.
For health issues beyond the capacity of the neighborhood doctor, polyclinics provide specialists, outpatient operations, physical therapy, rehabilitation, and labs. Those who need inpatient treatment can go to hospitals; at the end of their stay, their neighborhood medical team helps make the transition home. Doctors at all levels are trained to administer acupuncture, herbal cures, or other complementary practices that Cuban labs have found effective. And Cuban researchers develop their own vaccinations and treatments when medications aren't available due to the blockade, or when they don't exist.
Exporting Health Care
For decades, Cuba has sent doctors abroad and trained international students at its medical schools. But things ramped up beginning in 1998 when Hurricanes George and Mitch hammered Central America and the Caribbean. As they had often done, Cuban doctors rushed to the disaster zone to help those suffering the aftermath. But when it was time to go home, it was clear to the Cuban teams that the medical needs extended far beyond emergency care. So Cuba made a commitment to post doctors in several of these countries and to train local people in medicine so they could pick up where the Cuban doctors left off. ELAM, the Havana-based Latin American School of Medicine, was born, and with it the offer of 10,000 scholarships for free medical training.
Today the program has grown to 22,000 students from Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, Asia, and the United States who attend ELAM and 28 other medical schools across Cuba. The students represent dozens of ethnic groups, 51 percent are women, and they come from more than 30 countries. What they have in common is that they would otherwise be unable to get a medical education. When a slum dweller in Port au Prince, a young indigenous person from Bolivia, the son or daughter of a farmer in Honduras, or a street vendor in the Gambia wants to become a doctor, they turn to Cuba. In some cases, Venezuela pays the bill. But most of the time, Cuba covers tuition, living expenses, books, and medical care. In return, the students agree that, upon completion of their studies, they will return to their own under-served communities to practice medicine.
The curriculum at ELAM begins, for most students, with up to a year of "bridging" courses, allowing them to catch up on basic math, science, and Spanish skills. The students are treated for the ailments many bring with them.
At the end of their training, which can take up to eight years, most students return home for residencies. Although they all make a verbal commitment to serve the poor, a few students quietly admit that they don't see this as a permanent commitment.
One challenge of the Cuban approach is making sure their investment in medical education benefits those who need it most. Doctors from poor areas routinely move to wealthier areas or out of the country altogether. Cuba trains doctors in an ethic of serving the poor. They learn to see medical care as a right, not as a commodity, and to see their own role as one of service. Stories of Cuban doctors who practice abroad suggest these lessons stick. They are known for taking money out of their own pockets to buy medicine for patients who can't afford to fill a prescription, and for touching and even embracing patients.
Cuba plans with the help of Venezuela to take their medical training to a massive scale and graduate 100,000 doctors over the next 15 years, according to Dr. Juan Ceballos, advisor to the vice minister of public health. To do so, Cuba has been building new medical schools around the country and abroad, at a rapid clip.
But the scale of the effort required to address current and projected needs for doctors requires breaking out of the box. The new approach is medical schools without walls. Students meet their teachers in clinics and hospitals, in Cuba and abroad, practicing alongside their mentors. Videotaped lectures and training software mean students can study anywhere there are Cuban doctors. The lower training costs make possible a scale of medical education that could end the scarcity of doctors.
U.S. Students in Cuba
Recently, Cuba extended the offer of free medical training to students from the United States. It started when Representative Bennie Thompson of Mississippi got curious after he and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus repeatedly encountered Cuban or Cuban-trained doctors in poor communities around the world.
They visited Cuba in May 2000, and during a conversation with Fidel Castro, Thompson brought up the lack of medical access for his poor, rural constituents. "He [Castro] was very familiar with the unemployment rates, health conditions, and infant mortality rates in my district, and that surprised me," Thompson said. Castro offered scholarships for low-income Americans under the same terms as the other international students -- they have to agree to go back and serve their communities.
Today, about 90 young people from poor parts of the United States have joined the ranks of international students studying medicine in Cuba.
The offer of medical training is just one way Cuba has reached out to the United States. Immediately after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, 1,500 Cuban doctors volunteered to come to the Gulf Coast. They waited with packed bags and medical supplies, and a ship ready to provide backup support. Permission from the U.S. government never arrived.
"Our government played politics with the lives of people when they needed help the most," said Representative Thompson. "And that's unfortunate."
When an earthquake struck Pakistan shortly afterwards, though, that country's government warmly welcomed the Cuban medical professionals. And 2,300 came, bringing 32 field hospitals to remote, frigid regions of the Himalayas. There, they set broken bones, treated ailments, and performed operations for a total of 1.7 million patients.
The disaster assistance is part of Cuba's medical aid mission that has extended from Peru to Indonesia, and even included caring for 17,000 children sickened by the 1986 accident at the Chernobyl nuclear plant in the Ukraine.
It isn't only in times of disaster that Cuban health care workers get involved. Some 29,000 Cuban health professionals are now practicing in 69 countries -- mostly in Latin America, the Caribbean, and Africa. In Venezuela, about 20,000 of them have enabled President Hugo Chávez to make good on his promise to provide health care to the poor. In the shantytowns around Caracas and the banks of the Amazon, those who organize themselves and find a place for a doctor to practice and live can request a Cuban doctor.
As in Cuba, these doctors and nurses live where they serve, and become part of the community. They are available for emergencies, and they introduce preventative health practices.
Some are tempted to use their time abroad as an opportunity to leave Cuba. In August, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security announced a new policy that makes it easier for Cuban medical professionals to come to the U.S. But the vast majority remain on the job and eventually return to Cuba.
Investing in Peace
How do the Cuban people feel about using their country's resources for international medical missions? Those I asked responded with some version of this: We Cubans have big hearts. We are proud that we can share what we have with the world's poor.
Nearly everyone in Cuba knows someone who has served on a medical mission. These doctors encounter maladies that have been eradicated from Cuba. They expand their understanding of medicine and of the suffering associated with poverty and powerlessness, and they bring home the pride that goes with making a difference.
And pride is a potent antidote to the dissatisfaction that can result from the economic hardships that continue 50 years into Cuba's revolution.
From the government's perspective, their investment in medical internationalism is covered, in part, by ALBA, the new trade agreement among Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua and Cuba. ALBA, an alternative to the Free Trade Area of the Americas, puts human needs ahead of economic growth, so it isn't surprising that Cuba's health care offerings fall within the agreement, as does Venezuelan oil, Bolivian natural gas, and so on. But Cuba also offers help to countries outside of ALBA.
"All we ask for in return is solidarity," Dr. Ceballos says.
"Solidarity" has real-world implications. Before Cuba sent doctors to Pakistan, relations between the two countries were not great, Ceballos says. But now the relationship is "magnificent." The same is true of Guatemala and El Salvador. "Although they are conservative governments, they have become more flexible in their relationship with Cuba," he says.
Those investments in health care missions "are resources that prevent confrontation with other nations," Ceballos explains. "The solidarity with Cuba has restrained aggressions of all kinds." And in a statement that acknowledges Cuba's vulnerabilities on the global stage, Ceballos puts it this way: "It's infinitely better to invest in peace than to invest in war."
Imagine, then, that this idea took hold. Even more revolutionary than the right to health care for all is the idea that an investment in health -- or in clean water, adequate food or housing -- could be more powerful, more effective at building security than bombers and aircraft carriers.
Reprinted from "Democracy, Latin America Leaps Ahead," the Summer 2007 YES! Magazine, PO Box 10818, Bainbridge Island, WA 98110. Subscriptions: 800/937-4451 Web: www.yesmagazine.org.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 5, 2007 4:28 AM
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Although I was a conservative Republican at the time, it seemed to me the Cuban people were exercising their right of self-determination just like members of my clan did in 1776.
Very quickly, however, like all Americans, I learned that Fidel was a Communist dictator in freedom fighter fatigues who hated capitalism. And what did our brilliant leaders do? They played into Castro’s hands by embargoing Cuba which continues to this day.
Had JFK and his successors allowed tourism to continue, we would be sending doctors to Cuba instead of vice versa.
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Posted by: benzene on Jun 5, 2007 5:47 AM
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There's a lot of truth to that. We will never be able to forge peace with a sword, and to try to do so is inherently stupid.
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Posted by: natasha42 on Jun 5, 2007 6:04 AM
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Now, he gets therapy, he goes to school, he has a life beyond just waiting to die. He has the possibility of a much longer life here in the US than he ever would have back in Cuba.
There are some amazing, wonderful things about Cuba and her people, things which I hope can be preserved once Cuba is free. But the health care system is not as shiny as it's made out to be in this article.
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Posted by: lisaisalefty on Jun 5, 2007 6:12 AM
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This article is missing some vital realities.
Our family has to send care packages with basic meds like Penicillin, Ibuprofen/Tylenol, bandaids, syringes!!! for god's sake! How can Alternet put out an article like this? Very disappointing, indeed!
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Posted by: paschn on Jun 5, 2007 7:02 AM
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Batiste had, with the help of the mob and big business, turned Cuba into a cess-pool. The common folk wanted it ended, so they backed Castro. He booted the mob and big business out. The U.S. has held an embargo in place for almost 50 years. We began doing business as usual with Vietnam within 20 years. We lost over 50,000 fools trying to liberate South Vietnam, none I am aware of in Cuba, ( except maybe some of the assassins sent there the three times we're aware of), to murder another standing leader. If you, like many here, believe your country, right or wrong, it's pointless to argue. If you believe right is right, wrong is wrong no matter WHO perpetrates it, accept nothing at face value. Anyone can be brainwashed. The U.S. sheeple aren't immune.
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» The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems: US 37, Cuba 39
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Has health care improved in Cuba? Possibly - but improvement from "very low" to "passable" is an improvement which serves mainly the propagandist promoting socialism.
The other thing I noticed about the article is that there's no mention of Castro's life-long effort to find ways to spread his brand of Communism to South and Central American countries and thereby destroy the dominance of the United States in this hemisphere. Obviously, this "free health care for the poor" program is just his latest strategy to undermine the United States. Give Castro this - he is using the free market principle of "increasing supply" to undercut the cost of health care for those he is trying to seduce.
OTH - our medical system replaced whatever degree of altruism it once followed with rampant self-interest, thanks to 50 years of ideological campaigning. The "market" has reached it's cost limits by charging "all that consumers can bear" - and a bit more.
No matter which ideology; all are ultimately a kind of snake oil sold to the unwary and to those who do not foresee long-term consequences of their extreme fulfillment. Interesting to notice that ideologue thinkers never see that too much of anything is bad for you.
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Why does our country- America-the RICHEST coutry in the world-not do this???
All OUR colleges should be free..instead of most of our tax money going to the- Military. No wonder we are not allowed to travel to Cuba...we might get the idea that America could do a LOT better than it is.
I am so tired of being ashamed of my government. WHEN are we Americans going to rise up together and demand change?
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Posted by: Ahimsa on Jun 5, 2007 5:39 PM
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Socialism can take many faces.
It is not like capitalism promotes peace and "progress", it only promotes growth. And then, like what we live in is actually capitalism...
Why is the thinking always about extremes, about blacks and whites. Can we acknowledge Cuba's health system and criticize other aspects of their system at the same time?
Can we exalt what is good about us and change what isn't?
Can we stop trying to mold ourselves after another, and instead fix ourselves from within? from within our system, our nature and our history? A critical stance implies and openness of inquiry.
Is this a consistent problem with the left?
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Regardless of the failures and short-comings of the Cuban health system, the concept of free education for those who could not ordinarily afford it, and the drive to use that help others who cannot afford or access health care in other parts of the world is applaudable.
It's shameful that rich Western countries not only charge massive amounts for education (especially medicine) but do not give adequate or affordable health care to those in desperate need of it, either in their own countries or across the world. We prefer instead to rely on organisations such as medecins sans frontiers (doctors without borders) and our ability to escape culpability and accountability for our inaction on the world stage. The US practically OWNS the UN, the only body currently capable of holding rich Western nations accountable for their inaction on a range of issues such as health, education and the environment.
Only when we become acocuntable for our inaction, our kowtowing to big pharma and MNCs that stand to profit from such inaction, our blatant greed and disregard for the rest of the world (you know, all those NON-white folk), only then will things change.
We have the resources, the knowledge and the skill to do something even greater than that which Cuba is attempting. The question on everyone's lips needs to be WHY AREN'T WE???
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It's easy to find fault in a system such as Cuba that is starved of resources. It would seem, however, that the Cuban priorities are to provide compationate primary medicine where the American version is simply to make a profit.
Remember in the "Land of Oportunity" it is a crime to be poor!
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Posted by: fearlessmanateehunter on Jun 6, 2007 7:03 AM
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The evolution of populist, socialist socioties in the Southern Hemisphere cooperating with one another outside of the American sphere of influence is unacceptable to the central powers in the North. It is a threat to the dominant institutions of capitalism. With every day, the American Imperialists see their power to dominate slip away in increments. This I can assure you is causing a great deal of anxiety to our powerful friends in Washington.
My best regards to all,
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What is 'health' after all? Can someone who is denied basic rights such as free speech, free association, free press, right to habeas corpus, etc. be considered to live healthily? If not, then Cuba's 'free health care' is counterfeit. One should not have to give up basic rights in order to enjoy other health benefits.
Hopefully the US and Cuba will be able to create societies where people can truly enjoy the fullness of health.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 5, 2007 4:28 AM
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Although I was a conservative Republican at the time, it seemed to me the Cuban people were exercising their right of self-determination just like members of my clan did in 1776.
Very quickly, however, like all Americans, I learned that Fidel was a Communist dictator in freedom fighter fatigues who hated capitalism. And what did our brilliant leaders do? They played into Castro’s hands by embargoing Cuba which continues to this day.
Had JFK and his successors allowed tourism to continue, we would be sending doctors to Cuba instead of vice versa.
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Posted by: benzene on Jun 5, 2007 5:47 AM
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There's a lot of truth to that. We will never be able to forge peace with a sword, and to try to do so is inherently stupid.
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Posted by: natasha42 on Jun 5, 2007 6:04 AM
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Now, he gets therapy, he goes to school, he has a life beyond just waiting to die. He has the possibility of a much longer life here in the US than he ever would have back in Cuba.
There are some amazing, wonderful things about Cuba and her people, things which I hope can be preserved once Cuba is free. But the health care system is not as shiny as it's made out to be in this article.
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Posted by: lisaisalefty on Jun 5, 2007 6:12 AM
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This article is missing some vital realities.
Our family has to send care packages with basic meds like Penicillin, Ibuprofen/Tylenol, bandaids, syringes!!! for god's sake! How can Alternet put out an article like this? Very disappointing, indeed!
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Posted by: paschn on Jun 5, 2007 7:02 AM
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Batiste had, with the help of the mob and big business, turned Cuba into a cess-pool. The common folk wanted it ended, so they backed Castro. He booted the mob and big business out. The U.S. has held an embargo in place for almost 50 years. We began doing business as usual with Vietnam within 20 years. We lost over 50,000 fools trying to liberate South Vietnam, none I am aware of in Cuba, ( except maybe some of the assassins sent there the three times we're aware of), to murder another standing leader. If you, like many here, believe your country, right or wrong, it's pointless to argue. If you believe right is right, wrong is wrong no matter WHO perpetrates it, accept nothing at face value. Anyone can be brainwashed. The U.S. sheeple aren't immune.
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» The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems: US 37, Cuba 39
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Posted by: independent1 on Jun 5, 2007 9:49 AM
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Has health care improved in Cuba? Possibly - but improvement from "very low" to "passable" is an improvement which serves mainly the propagandist promoting socialism.
The other thing I noticed about the article is that there's no mention of Castro's life-long effort to find ways to spread his brand of Communism to South and Central American countries and thereby destroy the dominance of the United States in this hemisphere. Obviously, this "free health care for the poor" program is just his latest strategy to undermine the United States. Give Castro this - he is using the free market principle of "increasing supply" to undercut the cost of health care for those he is trying to seduce.
OTH - our medical system replaced whatever degree of altruism it once followed with rampant self-interest, thanks to 50 years of ideological campaigning. The "market" has reached it's cost limits by charging "all that consumers can bear" - and a bit more.
No matter which ideology; all are ultimately a kind of snake oil sold to the unwary and to those who do not foresee long-term consequences of their extreme fulfillment. Interesting to notice that ideologue thinkers never see that too much of anything is bad for you.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Jun 5, 2007 11:01 AM
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Why does our country- America-the RICHEST coutry in the world-not do this???
All OUR colleges should be free..instead of most of our tax money going to the- Military. No wonder we are not allowed to travel to Cuba...we might get the idea that America could do a LOT better than it is.
I am so tired of being ashamed of my government. WHEN are we Americans going to rise up together and demand change?
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Posted by: Ahimsa on Jun 5, 2007 5:39 PM
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Socialism can take many faces.
It is not like capitalism promotes peace and "progress", it only promotes growth. And then, like what we live in is actually capitalism...
Why is the thinking always about extremes, about blacks and whites. Can we acknowledge Cuba's health system and criticize other aspects of their system at the same time?
Can we exalt what is good about us and change what isn't?
Can we stop trying to mold ourselves after another, and instead fix ourselves from within? from within our system, our nature and our history? A critical stance implies and openness of inquiry.
Is this a consistent problem with the left?
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Posted by: Ames on Jun 5, 2007 10:55 PM
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Regardless of the failures and short-comings of the Cuban health system, the concept of free education for those who could not ordinarily afford it, and the drive to use that help others who cannot afford or access health care in other parts of the world is applaudable.
It's shameful that rich Western countries not only charge massive amounts for education (especially medicine) but do not give adequate or affordable health care to those in desperate need of it, either in their own countries or across the world. We prefer instead to rely on organisations such as medecins sans frontiers (doctors without borders) and our ability to escape culpability and accountability for our inaction on the world stage. The US practically OWNS the UN, the only body currently capable of holding rich Western nations accountable for their inaction on a range of issues such as health, education and the environment.
Only when we become acocuntable for our inaction, our kowtowing to big pharma and MNCs that stand to profit from such inaction, our blatant greed and disregard for the rest of the world (you know, all those NON-white folk), only then will things change.
We have the resources, the knowledge and the skill to do something even greater than that which Cuba is attempting. The question on everyone's lips needs to be WHY AREN'T WE???
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Posted by: frankly1 on Jun 6, 2007 7:04 AM
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It's easy to find fault in a system such as Cuba that is starved of resources. It would seem, however, that the Cuban priorities are to provide compationate primary medicine where the American version is simply to make a profit.
Remember in the "Land of Oportunity" it is a crime to be poor!
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Posted by: fearlessmanateehunter on Jun 6, 2007 7:03 AM
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The evolution of populist, socialist socioties in the Southern Hemisphere cooperating with one another outside of the American sphere of influence is unacceptable to the central powers in the North. It is a threat to the dominant institutions of capitalism. With every day, the American Imperialists see their power to dominate slip away in increments. This I can assure you is causing a great deal of anxiety to our powerful friends in Washington.
My best regards to all,
The Fearless Manatee Hunter,
Killer of the gentle Sea Cow
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Posted by: Enrique I. Alonso on Jun 11, 2007 12:46 PM
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What is 'health' after all? Can someone who is denied basic rights such as free speech, free association, free press, right to habeas corpus, etc. be considered to live healthily? If not, then Cuba's 'free health care' is counterfeit. One should not have to give up basic rights in order to enjoy other health benefits.
Hopefully the US and Cuba will be able to create societies where people can truly enjoy the fullness of health.
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