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A Murder Trial Gone Wrong: The Cruel Story of one Man's Destroyed Life
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Those initial crimes were horrific. But, the criminal justice system failings that followed were equally deplorable: Forced to produce and convict a killer, a frustrated and increasingly embarrassed set of local law enforcers, detectives and prosecutors subjugated crucial defense funds and evidence. Also eviscerated was the "due process" clause of the 14th Amendment that states, "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."
With elegant prose and striking narrative, award-winning journalist David Rose investigates the deprivation of that due process and recounts the human and systemic toll of this crime within a crime in his book "The Big Eddy Club: The Stocking Stranglings and Southern Justice." The book is a vivid and thoroughly captivating exploration of the American criminal justice system. It is also impossible to put down.
"The Big Eddy Club" is as much about Gary's clash with the Southern justice system as it is a condemnation of the system's racial and economic bias -- a particularly cruel reality when it's not merely one's liberty, but one's life, at risk.
Early in the book, British citizen Rose, points out that, unlike America, his country abolished the death penalty, as did the rest of Europe. And what started as a piece for the British newspaper the Observer on why parts of America still find the death penalty so attractive became a decade-long investigation of the stocking strangler case and the American criminal justice system.
Rose doesn't come out and say whether he believes Gary is innocent or guilty, but he lets a conglomeration of suppressed information, faulty investigative methods, and the actions of seemingly biased law officials tell its own story. Rose presents a glimpse into the heart of the American capital punishment that is profoundly enraging and disturbing.
Against a backdrop of post-Civil War Southern history and with poetic language and intricate details, Rose has penned a book as compelling as any John Grisham novel or his nonfiction work "An Innocent Man," with the haunting imagery of Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood." Carlton Gary is by no means presented as a pillar of virtue. But, it's about time we held our justice system to a higher virtue than Rose's gripping book reveals.
Recently, I had an opportunity to sit down with Rose over coffee in New York City and ask him questions about his amazing work and dedication to it:
Nomi Prins: You mention in "The Big Eddy Club" that everyone asks you whether you believe Carlton Gary is innocent or guilty, and you don't answer them directly. Why?
David Rose: I look at the matter in terms of different question, and that is, was Gary given a fair trial? The answer to that is no.
Were there times during this decade of investigation that you wanted to just say, I can't do this anymore? What made you keep going?
After 9/11 nobody seemed interested in these issues. I know in England they didn't like the death penalty -- but what mattered to me was getting America to see this, particularly the people in Columbus, Ga. They had to know. So the timing of publication is extraordinary. As we speak, it is more fortuitous; Judge Land must decide whether to allow a new trial. Since the book was written, Judge Land has already granted an evidentiary hearing on Feb. 14, 2007. I think the bite cast (taken at one of the crime scenes) and its comparison to Gary, excludes him to certainty beyond a reasonable doubt. The bite cast taken from the victim showed small and crooked teeth. Gary's are straight and always have been. He used to be a model; his smile was part of his attractiveness. They compared the original bite cast and Gary's impression last summer -- there were significant differences between the two. The state hasn't challenge the evidence, but they have said it's too late. The defense has argued that if you consider the bite cast and other evidence, Gary should get a new trial. The prosecution is arguing that the defense didn't exercise due diligence at the time of the original trial in pressing the bite cast issue (though, at the time of trial, defense counsel was not granted the funds to conduct an independent examination. The state's trying to say that if the prosecution was lying, the defense should have commented at the time.
Will this new trial happen in your opinion?
I couldn't say, but now even if the judge doesn't go for it, and as a Land, it would be an amazing act of courage on his part if he did, Gary's got his best chance now. The judge could decide this week, or month. Now, Gary has two good lawyers and more federal funding. Now he's well represented and in a good place.
How has it been received in Columbus -- what was it like going back there after having published "The Big Eddy Club"?
I knew I had to face Columbus, Ga., tell them why I wrote the book, and hope they would listen. During my first evening there, 250 people showed up at a reading I did at the public library. They showed respect. Enthusiasm. Then, at the Barnes and Noble in Columbus, they had to give out tickets; there were so many people in line. Before that reading, I had been warned that there might be people there who would harass me, but they kept their mouths shut. The audience was very fair. Maybe that will be enough to show the judge that he won't suffer in the public opinion arena if he decides to grant a new trial. Maybe, it will encourage him to do the right thing.
When did you last see Carlton Gary?
I saw him last fall, over a year ago. But the prison guards really screwed around with me. It was October. A really hot day. They had me sit there for two hours, no shade, nothing to drink. When I finally got into the prison, it was after 3 p.m. (visitations end at 4 p.m.). Gary had just had hemorrhoid surgery. He was moving slowly. There was barely enough time to get to his cell. He was very disappointed.
Was that kind of hostile treatment indicative of other visits you made to Gary over the course of the seven years you were investigating this case?
At one of my past prison visits, a guard came out and told me, "Gary doesn't want to see you." I said, "I'm sure he does, can you just check?" Then, this man towered in front of me, nose to nose and said, "I think you should go now." It turns out Gary was never even notified of my visit.
How did you deal with that kind of intimidation throughout your visits?
Coping with intimidation was not a problem. I'd spent time investigating stories in prisons in the U.K. Smuggling out Gary's semen was a bit nerve-wracking, though. I went in with all the appropriate materials. As I'm leaving, I'm trying to look as calm as possible. My heart's beating. I'm exiting through all eight security checks, thinking what if they caught me. But I finally made it to my car, got on the Interstate and drove off.
And, as you mention in your book, Assistant Attorney General Susan Boleyn decided not to allow this new evidence, despite the fact that the sample you took would have indicated an inconclusive match to the original sample taken from the crime scene?
For 20 years, Susan Boleyn (who represented the state) has done nothing but try to put men to death. She's a part of a group referred to as the "death squad." Her argument, as with other pieces of evidences, was that even if the serology conclusively proved that someone else raped the victims, Carlton Gary would still be guilty of murder. It's a hard situation. Under current laws, once the state rejects evidence, the federal courts can't readdress it. This is because of Bill Clinton's Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. That act is the single most unjust measure enacted in the field of death penalty evidence in the United States.
Why this obsession to suppress new evidence that could lead to exoneration?
It goes to the top of the system. Chief Justice Roberts in the Supreme Court, for example, has shown himself to be unwilling to accept the fact that the system has convicted innocent people. They tie themselves into mutual knots to justify wrong convictions here. The court of appeals in the U.K., though not perfect, is not that bad. The procedural restrictions are much less restrictive. There, under a clause of "if justice requires," it is easier to introduce new evidence that could point toward a different decision. Here, it is much harder, particularly because of that 1996 act.
What did you find to be the most overwhelming reason for the continued existence of the death penalty in America?
The most significant fact is regional. Although other states like California have death rows, they don't have as many executions, yet 80 percent of all executions take place in the former Confederacy, Texas being far ahead of the rest. There's at a deep level, this sense of the death penalty as a way of dealing with issues of race in the South being played out. There, the death penalty serves the same functions as lynching once did. It supposedly helps give the community in which the murder took place a sense of "closure." Plus, in a kind of white supremacist mentality, an egregious crime must invoke an egregious form of punishment. The death penalty has been one of a set of accommodations for the South since the Civil War. The federal government ignored the Jim Crow segregations rulings as did the Supreme Court. It's as if it has decided that the region is too tricky -- one should let them do what they want.
One of the major requests from original defense counsel, Bud Siemon, was for more funding with which to engage in appropriate investigations of his own, a request that was repeatedly denied by the judge. Can you discuss how that impacted this case, and more generally, similar cases?
If you're a poor defendant, black or white, charged with a capital crime, justice is like a closing steel trap. They (the prosecuting side) just don't go away. In the U.K., the prosecutors looked at new evidence in the case of the Guildford Four, experienced a sense of horror and decided to let them go. Here, judges and district attorneys are elected or appointed. Some are partisan and concerned about keeping their positions, hence the conflict of interest between the individual in front of them versus the collective that votes for them, particularly in the South. Yet, the overall cost of death penalty appeal, the average legal costs from conviction to execution is approximately $2.5 million.
Do you think American will ever abolish the death penalty?
The due process and evidentiary clause in America went backwards with the Clinton Act, but there's been some progress on the evolving standards of decency component of the Eighth Amendment. The Supreme Court amended the execution of juveniles and the mentally retarded. One justice even cited a Human Rights Watch report on mentally retarded prisoners at the time. It's encouraging that international human rights opinions are finding their way into the U.S. criminal justice system. Also, there's growing concern over the use of the method of death by lethal injection, based on questions of whether it causes pain. There's a greater degree of humanity in play, even though procedural restrictions are still overly restrictive. Thirty-eight states have the death penalty. But, New York has effectively abolished it (the New York death statute was declared unconstitutional in 2004), and states like New Jersey are leading towards abolishing it, so there's hope.
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Posted by: SteveB on Jun 2, 2007 4:49 AM
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These days, it's easy to forget the crimes of the Clinton administration, so this bit about his "effective death penalty act" is a much-needed reminder.
And we should remember how this came to be the law. Congressional Democrats, who would have screamed loudly if a Republican President has proposed this law, were largely silent at this enormous expansion of the states death-dealing powers.
Expect more of the same from President Clinton the Second. The recent back-room "free-trade" deal cut by Pelosi, Reid and the Bush administration is just a taste of things to come.
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Jun 2, 2007 6:32 AM
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(Bubba as The first 'Black President')
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jun 2, 2007 8:05 AM
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Bias isn't just limited to the racist right.
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Posted by: dancerkc on Jun 2, 2007 9:45 AM
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The son of a friend of mine has been labeled and wrongly prosecuted by the system here. He is white but once he was in the system or was known he never got a break. Regardless of evidence. His dad even has video evidence to the contrary showing that the arresting officers lied.
But there is no penalty for them. I think that if there is no statuate of limitations on a crime there should not be any limit on how long you can go back to hold the system accountable for its wrong actions (whether deliberate or not).
Once you know it is wrong, a just system, would care only about what the valid, truthful evidence says. A cop or prosecutor who lies to arrest or prosecute should receive the same penalty as the person(s) they sent up the river, including execution. A lie which kills is murder sure as any other method.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 2, 2007 11:25 AM
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DNA evidence has now exonerated over 200 people in prisons across the US
According to the Innocence Project, “DNA testing has freed 200 innocent people from prison. All of them were swept off the streets, forcibly separated from their families and friends, and wrongfully imprisoned for years or decades. Some narrowly escaped execution. Together, they served a total of 2,475 years in prison for crimes they didn’t commit.
“And they are just the tip of the iceberg. Nobody truly knows how many innocent people are in prison. Only a small fraction of cases involve evidence that could be tested for DNA and even among those cases, evidence is often lost or destroyed before it can be tested. The DNA exonerations provide irrefutable proof of the causes of wrongful convictions and they give us a roadmap for fixing the criminal justice system.”
This deliberate destruction of DNA evidence is why they have to rely on things like bitemarks from the victims. Obviously the prosecutors have something to hide in this case. Damn if it doesn't sound like a replay of Harper Lee's novel, To Kill A Mockingbird
See also Vanity Fair story by David Rose May 7
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Jun 2, 2007 1:38 PM
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Susanna Avery
savery@wrbl.com
The infamous stocking strangler case that has prompted international attention has seen its last day in Judge Clay Land's Courtroom.
Follow as we recap this famous case. In the late seventies, a serial killer terrorized the city, strangling several elderly women to death.
Carlton Gary was arrested in 1984, and convicted in 1986 of three of those murders. He has been on death row since.
Federal Judge Land ruled Wednesday, stating that convicted serial killer, will not get a new trial.
Jack Martin has been Carlton Gary’s lawyer for years. He doesn't plan on that changing anytime soon. "We'll pursue every appeal that's available to us, until we get a new trial," Martin said, over the phone on Wednesday.
Gary’s latest appeal, was on February 14th, his first time in court since 1986.
A new piece of evidence, a bite mold taken from the last victim, was presented that was missing for twenty years. However, that evidence is not enough to convince Judge Land to grant a new trial. "This is probably the last time we'll be in front of Judge Land, unless other new evidence surfaces, which you never know in this case," said Martin.
In the ruling, Judge Land states "it does not reasonably “'put the whole case in such a different light to undermine the confidence in the verdict.'." "We think the Judge underestimated the power of the scientific evidence of the case, all of which point to his innocence," Martin responded.
Martin says he will take this to the US Supreme Court if he has to. "I'm just hopeful that somewhere, some judge will see the truth of this case, and realize that what has to happen is a new trial," he said.
In Judge Land's ruling, the "Court reaffirms its September 28, 2004 order, and denies Petitioner's (Gary) Application for Writ of Habeas Corpus."
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jun 2, 2007 2:09 PM
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Seriously, self defense is very difficult to win.
First, there is a dead body. Second, there is no doubt who did the deed - 90% of the prosecution's burden of proof has been removed. Third, the burden of proof is now shifted to the defendant who must prove a number of things; that their life was endangered, that they used reasonable force and so on. This burden is almost impossible to meet if the only surviving witness is in fact one of the attackers. Fourth, IMO juries feel a duty to convict if a homicide has occurred and there is no doubt that the killer stands before them. Shield laws that prevent "trying the victim" (when the victim may in fact be a perpetrator) prevent relevant evidence from being heard.
Most importantly, once prosecutors and police decide to charge you with a crime, you are probably dead meat. The vast majority of criminal cases result in guilty pleas (plea bargains) and the relative few that are taken to trial almost always result in convictions. I don't know of good statistics in this regard, but estimates I have seen range from 95 to 99%.
Remember all those DNA exonerations and also remember that everyone who takes his case to trial has reason to believe that he/she will be found innocent or they would have plea bargained for a lesser sentence!
Our "justice" system is broken. How many times have we heard that DNA evidence only means that the innocent convict used a condom? It is a game. Society loses in two ways when the innocent are convicted. Aside from the obvious, a wrongful conviction means that the real perpetrator is free to continue victimizing society at large.
One change I would support is real accountability for police or prosecutors who frame the innocent. (Withholding material evidence from the defense is a frame.) I would support that any evidence of wrongdoing should result in prison time equal to that of the real victim and forfeiture of all salary and assets acquired during the unjust imprisonment as a fine to be immediately paid to the court and returned to the victim of the frame.
Won't happen. Legislators are mostly lawyers and they stick together. But I can dream.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 2, 2007 3:23 PM
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Yes, we could have then invaded Iraq 4 years earlier, got an earlier start on cutting the taxes of corporations, corruption could have blossomed, and we could have had more stolen elections.
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Posted by: Katiii on Jun 2, 2007 5:42 PM
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I am a New Zealander who travelled with a friend from New York, to Charleston, Florida, New Orleans, El Paso, San Francisco and Los Angeles, during March and April.
I expected a race of hard-nosed uncaring people, but couldn't
have been more wrong, but then again I mixed with the people on Greyhound buses and Amtrak trains, no touristy stopping off at the airport, I wanted to see the real America.
Both my friend and I are in our sixties, we were often two of the few white women travelling in Greyhound buses and the passengers couldn't have been more polite.
Americans from New York to right around the coast to LA couldn't help us enough, I was overwhelmed, I come from a friendly country but not as friendly as yours.
To get to the point, we were treated well most everywhere, but I base this on both our age and colour, I didn't experience overt racism until we went to the South, just out of Jacksonville, there was a rest stop at a garage, and a very long line of bus passengers in a line, waiting to buy food. A nice young man stood back to let me into the line, when I noticed black woman standing by herself at the counter, I couldn't understand why she wasn't in the line, as she wasn't going to be served standing there in the middle of nowhere, then I twigged. I asked her
"Were you ahead of me in the queque?"
She replied,"Yes, but it doesn't matter." In a tone which meant, 'same old, same old.'
" It does matter," I said and placed her in the line in front of me. She was so used to standing back to letting white people come first, I couldn't believe it.
This is enormous, would not happen in my country, there would practically be headlines. I'm not saying we're perfect, either, but at least in New Zealand the middle class has recognised the wrongs done to the indigenous people and are attempting to reconciliate.
The neighbouring prime minister in Australia refuses to say 'sorry' to theirs indigenous people, until he does, racism will also survive there.
Your country and people are very nice and well meaning, I can't understand why Bush got where he did as no one I spoke to liked him, but racism is alive and well in the US.
I spoke to another black man on the train, he is very wealthy, has a great home and career, yet he tells me the only place he feels safe from American cops is in Hawaii.
Would it be too much to say 'sorry' to all these stolen people?
I believe a day will come when we all have to work together to survive, let's start now.
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Posted by: persian on Jun 3, 2007 9:55 AM
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Yes, america is color blind except for green. This is not only the case for our justice system, it is true as well on where you can reside, on quality of your kids' education and what kind of health services is available to you.
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Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Jun 3, 2007 2:24 PM
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our DR swells with injustice--in this case, it doesn't. this criminal should be commuted to life w/o parole but not b/c he's black, but b/c he's duly guilty and deserves such a sentence.
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Posted by: Nomi Prins on Jun 3, 2007 3:21 PM
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As David Rose wrote me, "Reduced to essentials, Judge Land's opinion basically said, 'So, maybe his teeth don't match those the killer left on that victim's body. No biggie."
This is yet another depressing turn in this case, which is indicative of so many flaws in the criminal justice system at so many levels. He will now move to the 11th circuit. La Luta continua.
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Posted by: thetruth07 on Jun 4, 2007 2:39 AM
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In fact it was not uncommon for white detectives in the South to "clean up the books", that is to convict a black person for any outstanding cases i.e. rape, robbery, assault.
There is an HBO/THINKfilm called The Trials of Darryl Hunt, in 1984, this young 19-year-old black man arrested for the rape and murder of a white woman, Deborah Sykes, a newspaper copy editor in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Forensic evidence failed to match Hunt to the crime, but he was swiftly convicted by an all-white jury. Ten years into a life sentence, Hunt was denied a third trial by the Supreme Court despite DNA evidence that revealed Hunt wasn't Sykes' rapist. He was finally released in 2004, after spending 20 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. As one supporter states, "Racism is more powerful than facts."
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Jun 4, 2007 8:40 AM
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example the very notion of lifetime appointments to the US
Supreme Court...10 year terms, then time for fresh approaches. Nine old men and women dominating the legal
ethos for decades...ridiculous. But anyway........
Posted by: ekipnrut on Jun 2, 2007
As a former prosecutor, I can tell you that prosecutors are like everyone else....
Even assuming that, arguendo, as true; it neglects the fact that the criminal justice world-
the professional habitat of prosecutors-is nearly singular in its racism within a racist society.
Given the current racial composition of the incarcerated population, one can only conclude
that the 'criminal justice system' has been subverted de facto into a weapon of the white
majority in an undeclared race war. Actually both the racism of the ambient society and that
of the CJS play mutually supportive roles with the former providing a steady stream of input
into the latter for 'processing'. People who facilitate the continuation of a corrupt and racist
system which is designed to steal the liberty of as many race 'combatants' (blacks) as possible
are( race) war criminals, not merely beleaguered 'next door neighbor types' harried by life's
slings and arrows. Other than that..oversight...the rest of your post is,more or lees , arguable.
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Jun 4, 2007 2:35 PM
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should go to the DN website for the interview in its entirety.
Excerpt:
DAVID ROSE: Right now, the case is at an absolutely critical stage. Perhaps the most important piece of evidence that I’ve dug up is a bite cast made from the killer’s teeth. The story behind this is extraordinary. At the trial, the defense attorney, Bud Siemon, who had no money, could see from the photo of one of the victims, Janet Cofer, that she had been bitten savagely by the murderer, and there was a very distinctive pattern of tooth marks on her breast. And so, he asked the judge, “Can we get an expert to compare this photo with Carlton Gary’s teeth?” because it looked like, you know, these teeth were very jumbled up. And Carlton Gary was a very good-looking guy. Unlike most serial killers, he had a number of successful relationships with women. He had even worked as a model. At the time of these murders, he was appearing five times a night on television modeling clothes. And I’ve always thought that makes him unique among alleged serial killers, that he was actually, you know -- it’s very easy to identify someone if you’ve seen him on TV. You don’t have to give a vague description to the cops. You say, “It’s that guy, the guy who’s in those commercials.”
Well, of course, nothing happened with that at the trial, but then, later, in the ’90s, the defense attorney who represented him at his state appeal, Jeff Ertel, thought he’d revisit this issue, and he went to Atlanta -- or he lived in Atlanta -- he found that in Atlanta was an expert in the field of forensic odontology called Thomas David, and he might be able to compare the photo with the bite -- with Carlton Gary’s bite. And, well, he called Dr. David, and he said, “I know about this case. Come and see me straightaway.”
And it turned out that Ricky Boren, the former chief detective of Columbus, now the chief of police; the District Attorney Bill Smith, at the time, and his assistant Doug Pullen -- both men now are superior court judges -- had come to see him before Carlton Gary’s trial with a cast that had been made by a local dentist of the killer’s teeth. And they said to him, “If this matches our suspect, you know, is this good evidence? Can you testify that this means he’s the killer?” And he said, “Yeah. That’s pretty good. If that matches, you have the right guy.” And then they said -- very strange question -- they said, “And if it doesn’t match, would you be able to testify that this doesn’t necessarily exclude him?” And he said, “No, no. If that doesn’t match him, you have the wrong man. This would exclude him.” And they said, “Just forget this meeting ever happened. Don’t tell anybody about it.”
Well, years passed, he told the defense. The defense contacted the dentist in Columbus who had made the bite. Very strangely, he told them that the cops had given it back to him. They hadn’t kept it in an exhibit store, this potentially critical piece of evidence. They had given it back to him. And he said, “Well, can I come and see it?” And the dentist, Carlos Galbreath, said, “Sure, come by next week.” Well, Jeff Ertel, the defense lawyer, and a colleague went to see the dentist. And he said, “I’m so sorry. I can’t find it. I think I destroyed it five years ago.” And that seemed to be the end of the matter.But then, a number of years ago, about 2001, I went to see the dentist. And I said, “Dr. Galbreath, what happened with that bite cast? Why did you destroy it?” And he looked at me, and he said, “I didn’t destroy it. I know it’s still in existence.” And I said, “Well, why did you say you couldn’t find it back in the early ’90s?...[End Part l]
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They launder money, threaten witneses, file perjured statements, false bankruptcies, transfer assets illegally during any inquiries, and their actions have resulted in at least one death. They also cheat on their taxes -- last year they claimed to only have an income of $64 K; but spent well over $250,000 and have no debts -- nice trick!
If you think the authorities are going to do anything YOU ARE WRONG. To date, I have filed over 170 WRITTEN complaints with the FBI, 3 WRITTEN complaints with the Federal Prosecutor, Police reports, Attorney Generals office of California and Nevada, and was present when it was proven in court to a Federal Judge that they were committing obvious perjury. That judge not only let them walk; he ruled they no longer had to attend any hearings in person. I guess he was afraid they might screw up their testimony again and embarass him as a complicit accessory.
Guess What, they are ALSO politcally connected -- NOT EVEN a single witness has ever been interviewed; the FBI refuses to even call anyone on the phone, the Police claim it is out of their jurisdiction and make up all kinds of excuses for failing to investigate. After 2 years of repeated nagging they now refuse to even take or return my calls.
The USA has the finest FBI, Judges, and Cops money can buy -- Contrast the above with what happens to a teenager who swipes a music CD at Walmart. Probably get gunned down by a tac squad; beaten up and sentenced to years in prison.
The difference, the teenager does NOT have the $ to buy off the REAL crooks -- judges, FBI, cops, etc. -- who run the system.
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These days, it's easy to forget the crimes of the Clinton administration, so this bit about his "effective death penalty act" is a much-needed reminder.
And we should remember how this came to be the law. Congressional Democrats, who would have screamed loudly if a Republican President has proposed this law, were largely silent at this enormous expansion of the states death-dealing powers.
Expect more of the same from President Clinton the Second. The recent back-room "free-trade" deal cut by Pelosi, Reid and the Bush administration is just a taste of things to come.
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(Bubba as The first 'Black President')
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Bias isn't just limited to the racist right.
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Posted by: dancerkc on Jun 2, 2007 9:45 AM
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The son of a friend of mine has been labeled and wrongly prosecuted by the system here. He is white but once he was in the system or was known he never got a break. Regardless of evidence. His dad even has video evidence to the contrary showing that the arresting officers lied.
But there is no penalty for them. I think that if there is no statuate of limitations on a crime there should not be any limit on how long you can go back to hold the system accountable for its wrong actions (whether deliberate or not).
Once you know it is wrong, a just system, would care only about what the valid, truthful evidence says. A cop or prosecutor who lies to arrest or prosecute should receive the same penalty as the person(s) they sent up the river, including execution. A lie which kills is murder sure as any other method.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 2, 2007 11:25 AM
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DNA evidence has now exonerated over 200 people in prisons across the US
According to the Innocence Project, “DNA testing has freed 200 innocent people from prison. All of them were swept off the streets, forcibly separated from their families and friends, and wrongfully imprisoned for years or decades. Some narrowly escaped execution. Together, they served a total of 2,475 years in prison for crimes they didn’t commit.
“And they are just the tip of the iceberg. Nobody truly knows how many innocent people are in prison. Only a small fraction of cases involve evidence that could be tested for DNA and even among those cases, evidence is often lost or destroyed before it can be tested. The DNA exonerations provide irrefutable proof of the causes of wrongful convictions and they give us a roadmap for fixing the criminal justice system.”
This deliberate destruction of DNA evidence is why they have to rely on things like bitemarks from the victims. Obviously the prosecutors have something to hide in this case. Damn if it doesn't sound like a replay of Harper Lee's novel, To Kill A Mockingbird
See also Vanity Fair story by David Rose May 7
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Susanna Avery
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The infamous stocking strangler case that has prompted international attention has seen its last day in Judge Clay Land's Courtroom.
Follow as we recap this famous case. In the late seventies, a serial killer terrorized the city, strangling several elderly women to death.
Carlton Gary was arrested in 1984, and convicted in 1986 of three of those murders. He has been on death row since.
Federal Judge Land ruled Wednesday, stating that convicted serial killer, will not get a new trial.
Jack Martin has been Carlton Gary’s lawyer for years. He doesn't plan on that changing anytime soon. "We'll pursue every appeal that's available to us, until we get a new trial," Martin said, over the phone on Wednesday.
Gary’s latest appeal, was on February 14th, his first time in court since 1986.
A new piece of evidence, a bite mold taken from the last victim, was presented that was missing for twenty years. However, that evidence is not enough to convince Judge Land to grant a new trial. "This is probably the last time we'll be in front of Judge Land, unless other new evidence surfaces, which you never know in this case," said Martin.
In the ruling, Judge Land states "it does not reasonably “'put the whole case in such a different light to undermine the confidence in the verdict.'." "We think the Judge underestimated the power of the scientific evidence of the case, all of which point to his innocence," Martin responded.
Martin says he will take this to the US Supreme Court if he has to. "I'm just hopeful that somewhere, some judge will see the truth of this case, and realize that what has to happen is a new trial," he said.
In Judge Land's ruling, the "Court reaffirms its September 28, 2004 order, and denies Petitioner's (Gary) Application for Writ of Habeas Corpus."
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jun 2, 2007 2:09 PM
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Seriously, self defense is very difficult to win.
First, there is a dead body. Second, there is no doubt who did the deed - 90% of the prosecution's burden of proof has been removed. Third, the burden of proof is now shifted to the defendant who must prove a number of things; that their life was endangered, that they used reasonable force and so on. This burden is almost impossible to meet if the only surviving witness is in fact one of the attackers. Fourth, IMO juries feel a duty to convict if a homicide has occurred and there is no doubt that the killer stands before them. Shield laws that prevent "trying the victim" (when the victim may in fact be a perpetrator) prevent relevant evidence from being heard.
Most importantly, once prosecutors and police decide to charge you with a crime, you are probably dead meat. The vast majority of criminal cases result in guilty pleas (plea bargains) and the relative few that are taken to trial almost always result in convictions. I don't know of good statistics in this regard, but estimates I have seen range from 95 to 99%.
Remember all those DNA exonerations and also remember that everyone who takes his case to trial has reason to believe that he/she will be found innocent or they would have plea bargained for a lesser sentence!
Our "justice" system is broken. How many times have we heard that DNA evidence only means that the innocent convict used a condom? It is a game. Society loses in two ways when the innocent are convicted. Aside from the obvious, a wrongful conviction means that the real perpetrator is free to continue victimizing society at large.
One change I would support is real accountability for police or prosecutors who frame the innocent. (Withholding material evidence from the defense is a frame.) I would support that any evidence of wrongdoing should result in prison time equal to that of the real victim and forfeiture of all salary and assets acquired during the unjust imprisonment as a fine to be immediately paid to the court and returned to the victim of the frame.
Won't happen. Legislators are mostly lawyers and they stick together. But I can dream.
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Yes, we could have then invaded Iraq 4 years earlier, got an earlier start on cutting the taxes of corporations, corruption could have blossomed, and we could have had more stolen elections.
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Posted by: Katiii on Jun 2, 2007 5:42 PM
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I am a New Zealander who travelled with a friend from New York, to Charleston, Florida, New Orleans, El Paso, San Francisco and Los Angeles, during March and April.
I expected a race of hard-nosed uncaring people, but couldn't
have been more wrong, but then again I mixed with the people on Greyhound buses and Amtrak trains, no touristy stopping off at the airport, I wanted to see the real America.
Both my friend and I are in our sixties, we were often two of the few white women travelling in Greyhound buses and the passengers couldn't have been more polite.
Americans from New York to right around the coast to LA couldn't help us enough, I was overwhelmed, I come from a friendly country but not as friendly as yours.
To get to the point, we were treated well most everywhere, but I base this on both our age and colour, I didn't experience overt racism until we went to the South, just out of Jacksonville, there was a rest stop at a garage, and a very long line of bus passengers in a line, waiting to buy food. A nice young man stood back to let me into the line, when I noticed black woman standing by herself at the counter, I couldn't understand why she wasn't in the line, as she wasn't going to be served standing there in the middle of nowhere, then I twigged. I asked her
"Were you ahead of me in the queque?"
She replied,"Yes, but it doesn't matter." In a tone which meant, 'same old, same old.'
" It does matter," I said and placed her in the line in front of me. She was so used to standing back to letting white people come first, I couldn't believe it.
This is enormous, would not happen in my country, there would practically be headlines. I'm not saying we're perfect, either, but at least in New Zealand the middle class has recognised the wrongs done to the indigenous people and are attempting to reconciliate.
The neighbouring prime minister in Australia refuses to say 'sorry' to theirs indigenous people, until he does, racism will also survive there.
Your country and people are very nice and well meaning, I can't understand why Bush got where he did as no one I spoke to liked him, but racism is alive and well in the US.
I spoke to another black man on the train, he is very wealthy, has a great home and career, yet he tells me the only place he feels safe from American cops is in Hawaii.
Would it be too much to say 'sorry' to all these stolen people?
I believe a day will come when we all have to work together to survive, let's start now.
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Posted by: persian on Jun 3, 2007 9:55 AM
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Yes, america is color blind except for green. This is not only the case for our justice system, it is true as well on where you can reside, on quality of your kids' education and what kind of health services is available to you.
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Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Jun 3, 2007 2:24 PM
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our DR swells with injustice--in this case, it doesn't. this criminal should be commuted to life w/o parole but not b/c he's black, but b/c he's duly guilty and deserves such a sentence.
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As David Rose wrote me, "Reduced to essentials, Judge Land's opinion basically said, 'So, maybe his teeth don't match those the killer left on that victim's body. No biggie."
This is yet another depressing turn in this case, which is indicative of so many flaws in the criminal justice system at so many levels. He will now move to the 11th circuit. La Luta continua.
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Posted by: thetruth07 on Jun 4, 2007 2:39 AM
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In fact it was not uncommon for white detectives in the South to "clean up the books", that is to convict a black person for any outstanding cases i.e. rape, robbery, assault.
There is an HBO/THINKfilm called The Trials of Darryl Hunt, in 1984, this young 19-year-old black man arrested for the rape and murder of a white woman, Deborah Sykes, a newspaper copy editor in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Forensic evidence failed to match Hunt to the crime, but he was swiftly convicted by an all-white jury. Ten years into a life sentence, Hunt was denied a third trial by the Supreme Court despite DNA evidence that revealed Hunt wasn't Sykes' rapist. He was finally released in 2004, after spending 20 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. As one supporter states, "Racism is more powerful than facts."
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example the very notion of lifetime appointments to the US
Supreme Court...10 year terms, then time for fresh approaches. Nine old men and women dominating the legal
ethos for decades...ridiculous. But anyway........
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As a former prosecutor, I can tell you that prosecutors are like everyone else....
Even assuming that, arguendo, as true; it neglects the fact that the criminal justice world-
the professional habitat of prosecutors-is nearly singular in its racism within a racist society.
Given the current racial composition of the incarcerated population, one can only conclude
that the 'criminal justice system' has been subverted de facto into a weapon of the white
majority in an undeclared race war. Actually both the racism of the ambient society and that
of the CJS play mutually supportive roles with the former providing a steady stream of input
into the latter for 'processing'. People who facilitate the continuation of a corrupt and racist
system which is designed to steal the liberty of as many race 'combatants' (blacks) as possible
are( race) war criminals, not merely beleaguered 'next door neighbor types' harried by life's
slings and arrows. Other than that..oversight...the rest of your post is,more or lees , arguable.
:O)
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should go to the DN website for the interview in its entirety.
Excerpt:
DAVID ROSE: Right now, the case is at an absolutely critical stage. Perhaps the most important piece of evidence that I’ve dug up is a bite cast made from the killer’s teeth. The story behind this is extraordinary. At the trial, the defense attorney, Bud Siemon, who had no money, could see from the photo of one of the victims, Janet Cofer, that she had been bitten savagely by the murderer, and there was a very distinctive pattern of tooth marks on her breast. And so, he asked the judge, “Can we get an expert to compare this photo with Carlton Gary’s teeth?” because it looked like, you know, these teeth were very jumbled up. And Carlton Gary was a very good-looking guy. Unlike most serial killers, he had a number of successful relationships with women. He had even worked as a model. At the time of these murders, he was appearing five times a night on television modeling clothes. And I’ve always thought that makes him unique among alleged serial killers, that he was actually, you know -- it’s very easy to identify someone if you’ve seen him on TV. You don’t have to give a vague description to the cops. You say, “It’s that guy, the guy who’s in those commercials.”
Well, of course, nothing happened with that at the trial, but then, later, in the ’90s, the defense attorney who represented him at his state appeal, Jeff Ertel, thought he’d revisit this issue, and he went to Atlanta -- or he lived in Atlanta -- he found that in Atlanta was an expert in the field of forensic odontology called Thomas David, and he might be able to compare the photo with the bite -- with Carlton Gary’s bite. And, well, he called Dr. David, and he said, “I know about this case. Come and see me straightaway.”
And it turned out that Ricky Boren, the former chief detective of Columbus, now the chief of police; the District Attorney Bill Smith, at the time, and his assistant Doug Pullen -- both men now are superior court judges -- had come to see him before Carlton Gary’s trial with a cast that had been made by a local dentist of the killer’s teeth. And they said to him, “If this matches our suspect, you know, is this good evidence? Can you testify that this means he’s the killer?” And he said, “Yeah. That’s pretty good. If that matches, you have the right guy.” And then they said -- very strange question -- they said, “And if it doesn’t match, would you be able to testify that this doesn’t necessarily exclude him?” And he said, “No, no. If that doesn’t match him, you have the wrong man. This would exclude him.” And they said, “Just forget this meeting ever happened. Don’t tell anybody about it.”
Well, years passed, he told the defense. The defense contacted the dentist in Columbus who had made the bite. Very strangely, he told them that the cops had given it back to him. They hadn’t kept it in an exhibit store, this potentially critical piece of evidence. They had given it back to him. And he said, “Well, can I come and see it?” And the dentist, Carlos Galbreath, said, “Sure, come by next week.” Well, Jeff Ertel, the defense lawyer, and a colleague went to see the dentist. And he said, “I’m so sorry. I can’t find it. I think I destroyed it five years ago.” And that seemed to be the end of the matter.But then, a number of years ago, about 2001, I went to see the dentist. And I said, “Dr. Galbreath, what happened with that bite cast? Why did you destroy it?” And he looked at me, and he said, “I didn’t destroy it. I know it’s still in existence.” And I said, “Well, why did you say you couldn’t find it back in the early ’90s?...[End Part l]
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They launder money, threaten witneses, file perjured statements, false bankruptcies, transfer assets illegally during any inquiries, and their actions have resulted in at least one death. They also cheat on their taxes -- last year they claimed to only have an income of $64 K; but spent well over $250,000 and have no debts -- nice trick!
If you think the authorities are going to do anything YOU ARE WRONG. To date, I have filed over 170 WRITTEN complaints with the FBI, 3 WRITTEN complaints with the Federal Prosecutor, Police reports, Attorney Generals office of California and Nevada, and was present when it was proven in court to a Federal Judge that they were committing obvious perjury. That judge not only let them walk; he ruled they no longer had to attend any hearings in person. I guess he was afraid they might screw up their testimony again and embarass him as a complicit accessory.
Guess What, they are ALSO politcally connected -- NOT EVEN a single witness has ever been interviewed; the FBI refuses to even call anyone on the phone, the Police claim it is out of their jurisdiction and make up all kinds of excuses for failing to investigate. After 2 years of repeated nagging they now refuse to even take or return my calls.
The USA has the finest FBI, Judges, and Cops money can buy -- Contrast the above with what happens to a teenager who swipes a music CD at Walmart. Probably get gunned down by a tac squad; beaten up and sentenced to years in prison.
The difference, the teenager does NOT have the $ to buy off the REAL crooks -- judges, FBI, cops, etc. -- who run the system.
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