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Why is Dennis Kucinich Undermining Progressives and African Americans and Embracing Fox News?

By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted May 30, 2007.


The irony here is that many Black voters despise Fox, in particular its coverage of racial issues.

Going against the grain of many progressive voters thought to be among his potential supporters, Cleveland area Congressman Dennis Kucinich has decided to join Delaware Senator Joe Biden as the only Democratic presidential candidates planning to attend a September debate that Fox News intend to hold in conjunction with the Congressional Black Caucus.

Kucinich said: "... for Sens. Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and Barack Obama to skip the debate simply because it was to be broadcast on Fox was a snub of the Congressional Black Caucus." He added: "Those candidates planning to skip this debate clearly are trying to avoid a forum where there will be hard-hitting questions from people who may not agree with them."

James Rucker, head of the on-line group The Color of Change, who along with MoveOn and others has been leading the campaign challenging Fox News' legitimacy as a news organization, responded, "If Congressman Kucinich actually paid any attention to what African-Americans are saying about the Fox debate, he'd know better than to accuse the leading candidates of snubbing black voters. Refusing to attend this debate isn't about avoiding an unfriendly forum, it's about refusing to lend further legitimacy to a network that regularly distorts the truth and attacks black leaders, institutions, culture, and black people in general."

Rucker added: "If Kucinich wants to help legitimize a race-baiting propaganda network, that's his business, but he shouldn't claim black voters are on his side. Rather, this is a cynical political ploy to get press attention and airtime."

In a press release from May 27th, Kucinich said, "This (boycott of the debate) is particularly troublesome because the concerns of African Americans should take precedent over what network is broadcasting the debate." The irony here is that many Black voters despise Fox, namely its coverage of racial issues. Two videos produced by Brave New Films and Robert Greenwald have documented Fox's attitudes about race and, particularly, candidate Barack Obama. These videos have been viewed by many hundreds of thousands of people on YouTube and sparked spirited debates.

To many observers it seems that Fox is using its partnership with the Congressional Black Caucus -- one where Fox has made considerable financial contributions because it allows them to claim they're sensitive to the concerns of African-Americans, while continuing to broadcast bigoted views on race issues. It certainly can be argued that leading candidates have shown respect for black voters by refusing to attend this debate.

It remains to be seen whether the Fox Debate actually happens. The debate is scheduled to be held in the Detroit District of Congresswomen Carolyn Kilpatrick, currently the chairperson of the CBC, who along with Congressman Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, are the two most vocal supporters of the debate from the Caucus. Congresswoman Maxine Waters, from Los Angeles, a CBC member who is also prominent in the congressional Progressive Caucus, where Kucinich is a leading member, was quoted in the New York Times as being against the FOX-CBC Partnership. Neither Waters nor another CBC member, Congresswoman Barbara Lee, from Berkeley, frequently seen as one of the most principled members of Congress, signed the letter from the CBC asking for presidential candidates to attend the Fox debate.

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Don Hazen is the executive editor of AlterNet.

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08 Pres. field
Posted by: Slmncty on May 30, 2007 12:45 AM   
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As I research the candidates I find that much of the congressman's positions I agree with. However this is a poor move in that it's a no win for blacks, the congressman, and the public in general. It isn't the tough questions, it's the spin sure to come after the debate. Full of deceit.

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» Kucinich is right Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Kucinich is right Posted by: willymack
» RE: Kucinich is right Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: 08 Pres. field Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: 08 Pres. field Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: 08 Pres. field Posted by: Lauren
» What do Kucinich's constituents say? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» Kucinich supporter from Ohio Posted by: DataDoc
No candidate will be what you want all the time.
Posted by: jwc on May 30, 2007 2:18 AM   
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It will be interesting to read some of the comments generated from this story. Undoubtedly, some people will bring out the torches and pitchforks and attack Kucinich for "failing" the progressive movement. Think back to alternet's articles about Obama the months before he announced his candidacy... so many crossed fingers, "we hope he'll run, we hope he'll run we hope he'll run." Now he's running, and guess what (surprise surprise) he's done some things his supporters don't like.

Kucinich gave his reasons for staying in the debate (and let's face it, it's not like he couldn't use the airtime). And then there are the other candidates' reasons: "Oh No! Not Fox! I won't go and participate in a debate hosted by big bad wolf Fox!" Fox is biased? Hell yes it is. Bus so is EVERY OTHER NETWORK to some extent. If you don't think they are, then you've got your head in the frickin' sand. It's not hard to imagine the field day democrats and liberals would have if the republicans decided not to participate in a debate because of the hosting network's liberal bias.

Democratic candidates, here's an idea: Quit preaching to the choir! How about participating in the Fox debate and getting your message out to the tens of millions of people who are loyal to Fox and may have never heard anything about you other than you supposedly attended a madrasa when you were young?

No candidate will be what you want all the time.

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And Fox News Is Who?
Posted by: edith on May 30, 2007 3:03 AM   
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Indeed, how many african americans watch Fox enough to have an opinion about its "racism"? How many Americans in general watch Fox? Enough to sponsor a debate sure, but FNC is still not the Fox that broadcasts American Idol or CBS with its raft of high rated cop shows.

This is much ado about nothing. If the questioning is anti-black, i.e., "Congressman Kucinich, do you agree blacks sponge off welfare more than whites?", it causes an Imus-type backlash against Fox. Fox does this debate for one reason: they want to be perceived as being in the "big leagues" of tv news. Up there with Katy Couric(or in her case, down there).

A couple of documentary film makers who most black or white viewers have never heard of is not exactly the ABC Washington Post Poll. The spurious claim that the Dems should pull out because "blacks" find FNC racist is laughable.

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Alternet conspiracy?
Posted by: folkdude01 on May 30, 2007 3:21 AM   
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Is Alternet trying to undermine Dennis Kucinich while quietly trying to show their support to Barack Obama? Hmm....The left wing loons got Cindy Sheehan out of the picture, perhaps now they're set on going after Kucinich. I might be crazy, but it seems like it to me since this article appears to a "non-issue" puff piece. What do you think?

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Why is Alternet Undermining Kucinich using Fox Tactics is the Question?
Posted by: Centavo on May 30, 2007 4:13 AM   
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But of course Alternet doesn't take criticism very well, so this post might very well be deleted...

Just as my post on the Cheney/grandson article was the other day when I criticized AlterNet's new "Rating System' as an unnecessary intrusion into an otherwise well-run public forum.

Way to go, guys. It's hard work keeping a lid on free speech isn't it?

What a brave group of censors you're turning out to be.

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One of the few Democratic Progressives We've Got
Posted by: jackburns on May 30, 2007 4:54 AM   
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Kucinich is one of the few true progressives in the Democratic party. It sure hasn't been Clinton.

I believe the whole nation saw just how "progressive" the Democratic Party really is from the recent vote on Iraq.

Kucinich is generally spot on and has never been afraid to go out on a limb; therefore, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The fact that this publication would accuse him of "undermining progressives and embracing Fox News" indicates a problem with Alternet, not Dennis Kucinich.

I think that's an unfair portrayal. One that might possibly indicate that it's Alternet that's slipping toward the center and mainstream, status quo politics and therefore undermining progressives.

To date, he and Gravel are the only ones that have been consistent and made a lick of sense.

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Why is AlterNet underming another long-time progressive?
Posted by: katinmn on May 30, 2007 5:10 AM   
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Garrison Keillor was drug through a knot-hole in a non-story by an AlterNet editor a month ago. THAT played really well, too!

Maybe Kucinich is showing support for members of the CBC who found themselves stuck with Fox when no other station would meet the basic terms of hosting their debate.

The bigger issue is why aren't all stations hosting debates so that citizens can really get to know the candidates?

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Get Real
Posted by: wawa on May 30, 2007 5:13 AM   
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"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." -Article 19, UN UDHR



ONLY by engaging; conversing with the 'enemy' can one hope to get one's message through.

I have experienced a similar situation as a blogger for Daily Kos who is also a Correspondent for The Peoples Voice; and certain Kossaks erroneously label it a 'hate site'

My diaries have been hi-jacked and I have been personally 'tarred and feathered' by a few knee jerk, fear-filled Kossacks who cannot handle a POV that disturbs their status quo.

IMAGINE the possibilities for GOOD if Kucinich can break thru to the fear-filled neo-cons with the radical message of peace NOT war and diplomacy NOT occupation!


If Kucinich gets air time on FOX, i will tune it in and I haven't done that in years!!!

eileen fleming
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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» RE: Get Real Posted by: mombot
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Alternet's position on this debate is wrong
Posted by: AndyF on May 30, 2007 5:16 AM   
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Alternet should support this debate rather than attacking it. By attacking it you are playing the "politics of one" game - if an organization doesn't agree with you on almost every point, they get attacked. Let's go for a big tent here and support a variety of venues to get each candidate's message out.

It is unfortunate also, that Alternet is using this piece to attack Kucinich, who along with Mike Gravel, are the only Democratic candidates who are forthright in their positions, act on their beliefs and dwell in the real world rather than testing all their positions with focus groups before enunciating them and taking care to make their positions so vacuous and substance free that no one can take exception to them.

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» RE: "party of one" Posted by: schnoggi
It's about peace
Posted by: scaliad on May 30, 2007 5:20 AM   
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For any one that knows or even follows Rep. Kucinich they will know that his message is not about left of right, Democrat or Republican but about creating peace in our nation and world. Yes because of these beliefs Dennis happens to be one of the most progressive members of the house and candidates for president. However, it is wrong for Alternet to attack a man that has often stood by himself to implement progressive values within our nation. Dennis wishes to reach out through the Fox News debate to give his message to an audience that may never reach out to find out what he is saying. To create peace one must be willing to see the "enemy" and engage in a dialogue with them. Otherwise our points of attack are no different than the Bush administrations blind sighted tactics of policy making. I support Dennis Kucinich in his efforts to reach out to the right, without compromising his beliefs. Dennis is begining a dialogue about peace and progressive values, something that the other candidates are surely lacking.

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ALTERNET ATTACKS KUCINICH
Posted by: Roverton on May 30, 2007 5:50 AM   
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Let the record stand.

You guys sure you want to head down that road?

You don't have that much ground to lose anymore.

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» Sorry peacefullaim Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Sorry peacefullaim Posted by: Lauren
GRAVEL/KUCINICH 08' - DEM/GREEN/INDY
Posted by: Roverton on May 30, 2007 6:03 AM   
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Make it realistic! It's up to us.

There is a concerted movement to belittle him. One can only wonder why. Hmmm. All corporate candidates will soon look like the mercenaries that they are. He won't sell us out.

This is a time when we can't mess around. I don't care what network Dennis is using to get his message across. He makes more sense than the other creeps.

He doesn't look Presidential to shallow people (Of which there are many), but if he can be broadcast long enough to get his ideas across, he might just get through.

If we vote for the most attractive President, then we are a stupid, adolescent nation and will get punished by fate and history.

Anyone who totally believes the television's take on politics is a mental and emotional child. That's what TV is geared for.

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» DEM/GREEN/INDY? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: DEM/GREEN/INDY? Posted by: Roverton
» RE: DEM/GREEN/INDY? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: DEM/GREEN/INDY? Posted by: Roverton
Host Your Own
Posted by: PJAW on May 30, 2007 6:09 AM   
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In my opinion, the democrats should be holding their own "debates" for the networks to cover. Allowing the network (any one of them or all of them intermittently) to control the agenda is just plain stupid. This should be about the parties selecting their candidates, not about the networks presenting a political spectacle for their own exploitive purposes.

On the Democratic side, the party should hold candidate forums where the party sets the context and Chairman Howard Dean (or some other party official) asks the questions that they want addressed by the candidates. If the networks want to broadcast these forums (and they will), the public will get to witness the process. Having some media whore like Bit Hume or Chris Matthews or any other network flunky formulate and ask the questions is ridiculous. Such "debates" devolve into nothing more than sideshows providing chat fodder for the pundits and talking heads who are far more interested in their own exposure and market share than they are in the democraic process.

Over on the Republican side, they can do whatever they want, all their potential candidates stink as far as I'm concerned (with the possible exception of Ron Paul, whom I've watched with interest for years).

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» RE: Host Your Own Posted by: Ellie1
I used to take this position
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 30, 2007 6:36 AM   
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Why be on Fox News when they are just going to spin everything you say?!

Then I saw Ron Paul on the Fox news debate. It now occurs to me that the best way to prevent Fox News spin is not by avoiding Fox News, but by speaking plainly and directly so they cannot spin what you say. And when they try, it only makes them look like fools.

At this point in time what we really need is a candidate that is immune or highly resistant to spin attacks.

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» RE: I used to take this position Posted by: surfreality
FOX Goodbye
Posted by: 7 Levels on May 30, 2007 6:41 AM   
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I removed Fox News from my cable box so I don't even see it flipping past as I channel surf. I took out all bookmarks having anything to do with Fox from my bookmarks on my web browser. I don't listen to talk radio anymore. If I go somewhere and FAUX News is on, I change the channel or sit facing away from the screen.

All of the candidates and every single lkeft leaning pundit and elected official should simply stop responding to anything that Fox puts on the air or web. Don't do interviews. Don't return phones calls. Act like they don't exist and pretty soon, they won't.

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» Stop thinking about that pink elephant! Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: FOX Goodbye Posted by: jwc
» RE: FOX Goodbye Posted by: yellow
» RE: FOX Goodbye Posted by: jwc
» RE: FOX Goodbye Posted by: yellow
» Know your enemy.... Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: Know your enemy.... Posted by: yellow
Who is afraid of the Beast? Its only a Fox.
Posted by: lc on May 30, 2007 6:47 AM   
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Whatever happened to standing up to the playground bully and putting Fox in its place? Spineless Democrats like Hillary run from the fun instead of working to turn the tables on Fox by using Fox for the open stage it is. Any open stage is a good stage if you know how to stand up for your own self. Just like PR, no publicity is bad publicity. All politicians should run to make their points to the opposing audience. It is called a dialogue. What chicken shits the Dems are for running from, instead of attacking their main mimesis, the right wing, personified by Fox News.
Kucinich is the only candidate whose platform has been consistent since before the war. Dennis is as real as any common man can be. Kucinich is Mr. Smith goes to Washington; but he is in the wrong era. Americans claim they want someone like the rest of us but then the media feeds us the standard fare, bought and paid for politician from the Republicrats. Dennis did his Cleveland constituency right when he saved the Cleveland Electric Company from special interests and kept electric rates low for Clevelanders. Dennis has been fighting special interests all his life. He just looks a little like a snarling dog rather than some affectionate face man. Dennis is a small man with a Napoleon complex and the best moral compass of the lot. Dennis is too honest to present the familiar political winning face the TV media ram down our entertainment throats. Pretty is not better. Vote for a Jack Russell Terrier with a Napoleon Complex and a heart of honesty to tear into the Capitol Status Quo. Vote for Dennis Kucinich.

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Why?
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 30, 2007 7:00 AM   
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Why go to Faux??? Hmm... could it have ANYTHING to do with all other media outlets completely ignoring him????????

He is a member of Congress running for president, folks... not pizza delivery driver in a tin-foil hat. There is a reason he is ignored like said silvery-headed driver.

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And who with half....
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on May 30, 2007 7:14 AM   
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...a reasoning, functioning brain would watch Faux "News" anyway?

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» RE: And who with half.... Posted by: Roverton
Kucinich is a so-called "third tier" candidate
Posted by: sausage on May 30, 2007 7:15 AM   
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This is not my personal opinion of the man, I would sooner he were my U.S. congressmember rather than the Blue Dog Democrat currently representing my district
or president of the United States over any of the corporate whores now in the running. The mainstream media dismisses Kucinich, his opinions and positions practically out of hand. To the MSM Kucinich is a lovable kook not to be taken seriously, along the lines of perennial presidential Harold Stassen.

The fact he receives so little television facetime is undoubtedly his motivation for showing at the CBC-Fox debate. I'm not going to pass judgement on if it is a wise move or not. But I will say that since the proposed CBC debate is scheduled to be aired by FoxNoise, who in the African American or progressive community will watch?

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Chickens Run! Real Men fight the bully in the bully's back yard.
Posted by: lc on May 30, 2007 7:25 AM   
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Whatever happened to “In your face” politics? Alternet is supposed to be challenging the status quo. Running from Fox is the wrong alternative unless their goal is to establish an AlterFox network that speaks only for the “radical Left” rather than the “radical Right.” Most of us just need the right information to work with and that includes most of the Right Wing. Even they have come around to the facts on the War. Now if any of us on the left were Bible savvy enough to counter their religious insanity we could then establish common ground where foxes, donkeys and elephants all can roam among us. The people rule over the animals and that includes cunning Foxes.
Alternet is smatter than that. Put the gloves back on and step into the ring. So what if you do not have home court advantage. You can not always play on your court. It does the spirit wonders to win on the road. Fox News is nothing more than another brawl fought in somebody else’s backyard. Stop running from the bully and show us an alter way to fight the beast; it’s only a Fox. AlterNet can duke it out with Fox and should welcome the opportunity. A political debate is not the same as going on the O'Riley Show. Hello!

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An Unfriendly Forum?
Posted by: Ellie1 on May 30, 2007 7:30 AM   
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How about almost every other corporate owned media outlet? While it is true that Fox is the worst, most outlets aren't much better. Even PBS has been shown by Media Matters to have almost 4 times as many conservative viewpoints than liberal! I don't need to watch a Republican debate-I'll NEVER vote for any of the a-holes.

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» RE: An Unfriendly Forum? Posted by: Lauren
Blinded by Bias.
Posted by: HughScott on May 30, 2007 7:37 AM   
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Curious about other Don Harzen editorials, I reviewed previous AlterNet articles of his, starting with a piece published in 2000 titled, “Pothead Al?”

Asserted the article’s introduction, “Al Gore may be in marijuana hot water. A new biography of Gore, which Newsweek magazine was going to excerpt in their January 18 issue, claims that Wooden Al smoked considerably more dope than he has publicly admitted.”

Karl Rove had to have loved that tantalizing beginning but not the other intros for Hazen’s archived articles. “Wooden Al” comment aside, every summary I scanned would have made progressives cheer.

So why did Harzen attack Dennis Kucinich? I couldn’t help wonder.

For the answer, I read today's article several times, looking for clues. While I found none based on facts, Harzen’s bias against Fox News came through loud and clear. Obviously from his high and mighty point of view, any progressive politician who would dare enter enemy territory, such as the Fox News TV network, for a televised debate is some kind of turncoat.

Did it ever occur to Harzen that Dennis Kucinich is exhibiting courage -- an admirable trait, in my mind, that most Democrats in Congress lack?

Until Harzen explains his motive behind the attack piece, he’ll be the one undermining progressives, not Dennis Kucinich.

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» FYI Posted by: truly scrumptious
Rebel Ruggles
Posted by: Raymond Ruggles on May 30, 2007 7:40 AM   
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Fox is no place for Kucinich as they will eat him alive after he leaves. Kucinich says and believes what is good for Americans. His wanting to ban guns is political suicide and a solution to nothing except making sure criminals are the only one's with guns. (Off the subject a bit) These "presidential candidates" are a sorry bunch. They want more war, more military, more war "budget", healthcare run by their sugar daddies...big pharma, insurance companies and robber barons.
I am an old US Marine and have spent forty years researching and fighting for peace and justice and it is exhausting, frustrating, and I sure get pissed off to the max! Cindy Sheehan quit and Bush and our government killed her son and caused her and others massive suffering over lies and greed. What a disgrace! America is being ruled by fascists or as Musolini called them "corporatists. We have a corporatocracy and capitalist rulers taking over the planet. It is time for a worldwide people's revolution which will tell the corporations and AIPAC and the rulers that we are in charge and if they want to do business they will behave.

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» RE: Rebel Ruggles Posted by: Lauren
Alternet: Progressive or regressive with Kucinich bash?
Posted by: batteredup on May 30, 2007 8:02 AM   
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Dennis Kucinich has been more on-target to the Progressive agenda, not to mention at the top of the moral heap in public service in his career, so where does Alternet get off in trashing him before the fact? DK has taken the Faux News talking heads to task every time I've seen him on their miserable excuse for a news network and he remains remarkably consistent in his ideals, principles and political views - so if anyone can make an impact on some of the bobble-headed lemmings who watch and believe what they hear from the Faux fatheads, Dennis can. Give the man a chance Alternet, he's not let us down yet. The guy has bucked this corporate-controlled government throughout his career and for the past four years has diligently and faithfully followed a progressive agenda for the betterment of the average American in his pursuit of the Presidency in the face of media blackout and boycott (remember he was deemed "unelectable" six months before an '04 primary vote was cast) so let him choose his own path and see where the chips fall before blasting him and discrediting him like the rest of the closed-minded media does. You missed the boat on this one, alternet.

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Give 'em hell, Dennis
Posted by: boing007 on May 30, 2007 8:18 AM   
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Not participating in the FOX debate is akin to self-imposed censorship.
I applaud Mr. Kucinich's decision and I wish him good luck.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, Dennis.

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Question the Congressional Black Caucus
Posted by: Todd on May 30, 2007 8:03 AM   
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Don't come down on Kucinich for accepting the invitation. Don't come down on Obama and Company for refusing the invitation. Ask the Congressional Black Caucus why it is partnering with Fox on this debate. Perhaps, as another poster suggested, Fox News was the only network willing to air the debate - or maybe they got a better deal from Fox News. I've sent an email to CBC to find out why. Until I get an answer, I personally will refrain from any judgement. But I will say, I've read Kucinich's reasoning, and it makes me like the guy even more than I already do. He's the real thing and I wish we could see more of him in the news.

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Fascinating and disheartening
Posted by: jrucker1076 on May 30, 2007 8:30 AM   
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I find it fascinating that many of the folks here are falling into the trap of Fox's frame in order to defend Kucinich. Kucinich who I like to think of as idenitfying and pushing back on corporate influence in politics, quitely defends it when it comes to the CBC. The piece on the front page of last Sunday's NYT connects the dots, helping to explain why CBC members (through a combination of self-interest, group protectionism, and corporate influence) are selling out the interests of Black Americans.

This isn't about debating Fox on their network (which isn't what happens in a presidential debate). And no one seems to be talking about the bigger picture. In the '03 Fox/CBCI debate, the commentary that followed declared all the candidates unelectable except Al Sharpton--"at least he's entertaining...but we have to remember Tawana Brawley" (or something to that effect), i.e. he's an untrustworthy thug.

Fox is a propaganda outlet that has regularly and consistently attacked Black people (see foxattacks.org). Many folks on this site are perhaps not in places where you would hear our voices, but the overwhelming majority of Black people hate Fox--we see it as racist. As an African-American, it's tragic to see a Black institution cozy up to them and give them much-needed validation when their brand is suffering.

Kucinich is doing something very insulting and problematic. To get himself airtime, he's willing to take the talking points of Black political leaders who have been bought and declare himself a white defender of Black interests, while completely ignoring the clear and visible chorus of editors from traditional Black newspapers, Black bloggers, Black radio show hosts, and thousands of everyday Black people.

To see folks jump on the Kucinich support bandwagon tells me that many of you are unwilling to see a good guy doing really bad. And your doing so further marginalizes Black voices. It's beyond disappointing.

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Dialog
Posted by: EKSwitaj on May 30, 2007 9:07 AM   
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If we want to change this country for the better, that's going to mean engaging people with whom we disagree. Yes, Fox commentators are likely to say disparaging and biased things before and after the debate. But maybe, just maybe, some people who otherwise would never be exposed to what Kucinich has to say will hear him. And maybe a few people will start to change their minds.

That's the way to peace.

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Don't do any TV debates?
Posted by: ScottP on May 30, 2007 9:12 AM   
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I agree that Fox "news" is actually propaganda. However, how does that distinguish it from CNN, ABC, NBC, or CBS? As I recall, the whole bunch of them pretended that the 2000 election was fair in order to get their man into the white house. Then they pretended there were WMD to get their war. Then they pretended that the war wasn't racist. Then they pretended that we're "there to help" and "fight terror". Then they pretended that we weren't trying to steal their oil.

And so I must conclude that no candidates should do any TV debates, and no viewers should watch. In fact, why not extend it to simply "turn off your TV", I already did. I get better information going to their voting records, forget the posturing for the cameras.

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Holy SHIT! Stop whining!
Posted by: Jackrabbit on May 30, 2007 9:30 AM   
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Get over yourself you freakin' whiner! Seriously!

Kucinich is THE progressive candidate out there, the only guy on the national stage with a real liberal agenda!

Blaming him for giving "legitimacy" to Fox News? is a distraction. It represents the fragmentation of the left that we would spend any time at all on something like this!

We need to work together, not undermine our own over crap like this! Get your priorities straight!

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aumfish
Posted by: aumfish on May 30, 2007 9:35 AM   
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Go Dennis! How else will the ignorant masses hear what the other side has to say without being interrupted in mid-sentence by Bill O'Reilly? And Fox is not the only bad guy when it comes to bias and coverage ---I read that ABC pulled their correspondent off Kucinich's last campaign because he dissed Ted Koppel during the last primary debate.

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» RE: aumfish Posted by: obliu222
It's Official: Alternet Is Pimpin' Conservative Neocon Democrats
Posted by: shinseiji on May 30, 2007 9:47 AM   
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As in Hillary (in reality a front for Bill II) and Clinton sidekick Obama.

Once again until we get this straight - The US has two ruling right wing parties:

A conservative status quo party saturated with the neocon ideology called the Democratic Party, plus a few powerless and deluded progressive hangers on (this latter including Kucinich). They just refinanced a criminal genocidal war to destroy a country and its people. Note that types like Lieberman are radical rightist oddballs in this party;

A radical right party "of ideas" (read, ideology) and (reactionary) "change" called the Republican Party, plus a few powerless paleos like Buchanan (or now Hagel), this latter now appearing quite moderate compared to the mad neocon ideologues that dominate BOTH parties.

Happily the Repubs have gotten their political knickers all in a bunch (hear the Newt screech!), threatening the moorings of the whole "Reagan settlement" established in the 1980's. So they are bringing Clinton/Obama back for the rescue, to maintain the status quo.

Thre is no organized left/progressive political presence. The US Left adamently refuses to organize such a presence in the form of a political party.

It is really as simple as that.

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Who Cares
Posted by: Lesha on May 30, 2007 10:02 AM   
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For the time blacks have been allowed to vot