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Caucasian Please! America's Cultural Double Standard For Misogyny & Racism

By Dr. Edward Rhymes, Black Agenda Report. Posted June 26, 2007.


The public is far more disturbed by misogynistic lyrics in rap music than in rock music -- the domain of white musicians. Seems it isn't sexism that the dominant culture is opposed to, but rather the black voices communicating the message.

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Editor's note: Despite the firing of Don Imus, corporate media continue to attempt to divert attention from long-established institutional sexism, in order to depict Black youth culture as the vector of the disease. The American reality is one of pervasive celebration of violence, in general, and violence against women, in particular -- a white cultural invention. Black rappers, who are owned and controlled by white corporations, did not create this culture of violence and misogyny, but are made the scapegoats for a much deeper national social crisis -- a landscape in which "The Godfather" and "Goodfellas" are revered as "classic" films.

Introduction

In this composition I will not be addressing the whole of hip-hop and rap, but rather hardcore and gangsta rap. It is my assertion that the mainstream media and political pundits -- right and left -- have painted rap and hip-hop with a very broad brush. Let me be perfectly clear, hardcore and gangsta rap is not listened to, watched, consumed or supported in my home and never has been. I will not be an apologist for anything that chooses to frame the dialogue about Black women (and women in general) and Black life in morally bankrupt language and reprehensible symbols.

In the wake of MSNBC's and CBS's firing of Don Imus, the debate over misogyny, sexism and racism has now taken flight -- or submerged, depending on your point of view. There are many, mostly white, people who believe that Imus was a fall guy and he is receiving blame and criticism for what many rap artists do continually in the lyrics and videos: debase and degrade Black women. A Black guest on an MSNBC news program even went as far as to say, "Where would a 66 year-old white guy even had heard the phrase nappy-headed ho" -- alluding to hip-hop music's perceived powerful influence upon American culture and life (and apparently over the radio legend as well) -- and by so doing gave a veneer of truth to the theory that rap music is the main culprit to be blamed for this contemporary brand of chauvinism.

However, I concur with bell hooks, the noted sociologist and black-feminist activist who said that "to see gangsta rap as a reflection of dominant values in our culture rather than as an aberrant 'pathological' standpoint, does not mean that a rigorous feminist critique of the sexist and misogyny expressed in this music is not needed. Without a doubt black males, young and old, must be held politically accountable for their sexism.

Yet this critique must always be contextualized or we risk making it appear that the behavior this thinking supports and condones -- rape, male violence against women, etc. -- is a black male thing. And this is what is happening. Young black males are forced to take the 'heat' for encouraging, via their music, the hatred of and violence against women that is a central core of patriarchy."

There are those in the media, mostly white males (but also some black pundits as well), who now want the Black community to take a look at hip-hop music and correct the diabolical "double-standard" that dwells therein. Before a real conversation can be had, we have to blow-up the myths, expose the lies and cast a powerful and discerning light on the "real" double-standards and duplicity. Kim Deterline and Art Jones in their essay, Fear of a Rap Planet, point out that "the issue with media coverage of rap is not whether African Americans engaged in a campaign against what they see as violent, sexist or racist imagery in rap should be heard -- they should. ...[W]hy are community voices fighting racism and sexism in mainstream news media, films and advertisements not treated similarly?

The answer may be found in white-owned corporate media's historical role as facilitator of racial scapegoating. Perhaps before advocating censorship of a music form with origins in a voiceless community, mainstream media pundits should look at the violence perpetuated by their own racism and sexism."

Just as the mainstream media and the dominant culture-at-large treats all things "Black" in America as the "other" or as some sort of science experiment in a test tube in an isolated and controlled environment, so hardcore rap is treated as if it occurred in some kind of cultural vacuum; untouched, unbowed and uninformed by the larger, broader, dominant American culture. The conversation is always framed in the form of this question: "What is rap's influence on American society and culture?" Never do we ask, "What has been society's role in shaping and influencing hip-hop?"


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Dr. Edward Rhymes, author of When Racism Is Law & Prejudice Is Policy, is an internationally-recognized authority in the areas of critical race theory and Black studies. Please view his website: Rhymes Reasons. He can be reached at Edward@rhymesworld.com.

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Why is it misogynist to want to F*** a woman?
Posted by: NLU on Jun 26, 2007 12:17 AM   
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I agree there is a double standard when it comes to hip-hop / rap vs rock.

But I think the term misogynist is used far too much by a lot of people who take part in this debate. Misogynist means hatred or a strong prejudice against woman. I can't ever remember hearing lyrics in which the singer says that he or she hates woman. Though I'm sure it exists. There is no relation between singing about sex, though the way sex is portrayed may not be to your taste, and hating woman.

Also what is wrong with seeing woman as sex objects? Note I'm not saying exclusively as sex objects.

Human beings are sexual creatures, both men and woman. What's wrong with that?

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» quick question Posted by: schokoprinz
» RE: quick question - typo Posted by: schokoprinz
» RE: quick question - typo Posted by: schokoprinz
» Hidden? Posted by: suprmark
» RE: quick question - typo Posted by: carcinoid112
» RE: quick question - typo Posted by: Shade
» RE: quick question Posted by: pure_genius
» RE: quick question Posted by: NLU
» RE: quick question Posted by: NLU
» RE: quick question Posted by: schokoprinz
» You make it seem like such hard work... Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
a couple of comments...
Posted by: rue on Jun 26, 2007 12:54 AM   
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first off, i'll agree that there is a double standard, to some extent. michael franti said it best back in '94 when he noted that "they're f***ing with ice-t but they don't even care if - eric clapton's singing 'i shot the sheriff'".

however, i would like to point out that the vast majority of 'rock' music the author sites is either 20 years old or older (elton john? guns 'n' rose?), or was made by bands who were active during the 1980s (faster pussycat; george lynch of lynch mob/dokken). was that music gratuitously sexual and violent? absolutely. but why not site music that has it's roots more recently.

marilyn manson? he pushes buttons, and i'm glad he's doing so. kid rock? yes, he's rock, but with a foot firmly in hip-hop.

in the end, if something is going to shock or offend, there will always be someone who will say/sing it, regardless of genre. if it offends you, don't listen to it. if you're worried about your kids listening to it, talk with them, make sure you're raising them to be morally upstanding people. don't blame music, whether it's rock, hip-hop, or whatever.

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» RE: a couple of comments... Posted by: karensickler51
» RE: a couple of comments... Posted by: vangogh69
» 80's metal bands Posted by: BlueTigress
» RE: 80's metal bands Posted by: Robba29
» The radio is the worst Posted by: dannrusso
» A phrase from the 60s Posted by: fitzjohn
» RE: a couple of comments... Posted by: jeandarc
haha
Posted by: schokoprinz on Jun 26, 2007 1:07 AM   
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Im pretty sure misogyny stopped for rock when bands like whitesnake, def leppard, damn yankees, inxs (although i think they're still around), van halen - and other kick ass 80's rock groups died out. Then again their lyrics arent anything to even get flustered about. i've had a few hot teachers myself back in the day. - Rap is just the 'now' and now people have something to rant about, thats all. Frank Zappa had the same problem. Check out his interview on Crossfire from way back when. He had to defend himself against these two crazy conservative dudes who were just angry cause viagra didnt exist then. - this issue is nothing new. -pz

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» RE: haha Posted by: Fade
An interesting parallel
Posted by: pure_genius on Jun 26, 2007 3:10 AM   
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when I listened to old school rap as a child it was either political in nature, or meant to be just plain fun. Before gangsta and hardcore rap came along, I only heard vicious lyrics from groups like Motley Crue or Poison. I do think the lyrics of rap today are far worse than anything I heard from those groups. I simply find that to be a product of environment. While violent themes in rap music are disturbing, they are often based in reality. This is in stark contrast to movies which display images of gratuitous and senseless violence for entertainment purposes.

The author's contention that it's not what is being said but who is saying it is very interesting to me. It can also be said that it is not what is being done but who is doing it. Until the mid 20th century, pimping and pandering of white women was in the domain of whites. When minorities began pimping white women, the societal view of the practice changed drastically. Pimps were viewed as predatory and some of the lowest criminals around.

Equality cannot exist when two groups of individuals are treated in such drastically different ways for committing the same or very comparable act.

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» RE: An interesting parallel Posted by: pinkfloydd
» RE: An interesting parallel Posted by: karensickler51
» RE: An interesting parallel Posted by: vangogh69
Bands
Posted by: fallout1 on Jun 26, 2007 3:38 AM   
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Metallica? Are you kidding me? I can't think of anything Metallica has ever written relating to women aside from "Dear Mama" which hardly qualifies.

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» I was gonna say... Posted by: kepstein7777
Jefferson Spaceship?
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 26, 2007 4:28 AM   
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Strip away some of the PC rhetoric, and the author brings out a good point.

Rap may be crude, cartoonish, and so on...and I sometimes wish it would go the way of hair metal. But if it means protecting freedom of expression and the freedom to listen to whatever we want, then we should let it be what it is, and switch the station if we want to listen to something else. I don't want my favorite rock tunes to be caught on a slippery slope.

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Editor's note
Posted by: YogiBear on Jun 26, 2007 4:41 AM   
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That editor's note is absurd. Just let the man make his own comments without some editors sticking their noses into it.

As for white-owned, corporate control of rappers, I'm not sure corporate ownership has in the history of the world ever inspired any artist to greatness. They tend to use their power and influence to steal from musicians after they've come up with the content. Whites should not be given credit (or blame) for black successes, even if it better fits one's paradigm for a racist and misogynist media.

Intriguing website, that Black Agenda Report, by the way.

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» the editors are idiots Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: the editors are idiots Posted by: YogiBear
Just a few thoughts...
Posted by: moflard on Jun 26, 2007 4:50 AM   
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Firstly the editors comment at the beginning of the piece;

".....celebration of violence, in general, and violence against women, in particular -- a white cultural invention"

There's no way this argument can be supported, and will no doubt turn some people off reading the rest of the article as it sets up a false image that the article will be an attack on whites for the crime of being white. It's a stupid throwaway comment that should not have been given such a prominant position.

As for the main article, whilst I agree with it's general thrust there are some things that strike me that are a little problematic and where greater research would have helped.

Firstly the comparrisons between some of the (white) songs, and those of rap. "Ticking", "Nebraska" and "Johnny 99" all paint a picture of violence begetting tragedy, and death for the culprit - unlike much "gangsta rap" they do not, as the author suggests glorify violence. The same can be said with "I shot the Sherrif" - which is a case of self-defence, vs "Cop Killer" which explicitly glorifies premeditated murder and extolls listeners to follow the characters example. I must also point out that Bob Marley's original version did not recieve negative press. Oh and "Catholic Girls" was by Zappa, "Centerfold" by the J.Giles band neither by Van Halen.

As for the drugs - well yes "Cocaine" obviously, though may I point out the earlier (often regarded as black) folk song "Take a sniff on me". As for "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" the author, I feel, should check beyond urban myth and find that this song was about a drawing John Lennon's son showed him - not LSD. I think in genreal Rock is far more guilty of drug glorification than rap, gangsta eulogises about dealing not necc. the taking, rock the reverse.

Now we come to lust. Rock and Rap are arguably aimed at a teenage/youth audience and as such both are bound to have a certain degree of lust filled lyrics. There is even going to be a certain amount of mysogeny involved for the target audience of testosteroned males. The problem "gangsta" has is the linking of all this with violence. And contrary to the authors contention, a white band did get into trouble over combining the two - The Prodigy with "Smack my Bitch Up".

The author looks for examples of white bands causing the same shock and outrage as rappers and only finds Marylin Manson? A bit of basic research would have found - The Beatles ("mop haired" remember?), David Bowie, the entire Punk movement, Alice Cooper of course, (Mansons far more intelligent antecedent) Black Sabbath, and Ozzy Osbourne - these just from the top of my head. All reviled and even feared at one time.

As a final point - rock relies more on debauchery to sell itself, whereas gangsta rap certainly plays on violence and images thereof - when was the last time you saw a rock band showing off it's bullet wounds?

Overall I thought the article was good and certainly there is a double standard, I just thought it would have benefited from some deeper research.

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» RE: PLEASE REREAD THE ARTICAL Posted by: soft2u47
» RE: Just a few thoughts... Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Just a few thoughts... Posted by: moflard
Author Misses the Mark
Posted by: EncinoM on Jun 26, 2007 5:24 AM   
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So blinded by his quest to find racism in the mdia he forgets what the 80's rock music also produced, Tipper Gore and parental lables on records by the industry to prevent government censurship.

It was not rappers testifing before congress by Frank Zappa adn Twisted Sister.

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Perhaps the celebration of violence against women...
Posted by: RandomAction on Jun 26, 2007 5:36 AM   
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...is a white cultural invention. But actual violence against women isn't. The vast majority of women that have ever lived have lived in a culture where they are considered to be, at the very least, second class people, which is a form of violence invented by many cultures. Even today violence against women, in some areas, is a cultural requirement under certain circumstances. If the celebration of violence is a white invention, then so is female equality, and so is their right to be free of violence.

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A white institutional creation? Puh-lease.
Posted by: redceres on Jun 26, 2007 6:49 AM   
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I seriously resent the misdirection in the editor's note. There is nothing inherently "white" about violence against women.

This crap has been going on since prehistory.

Why? Because straight men feel a great deal of both insecurity about and possessiveness toward women. This drive has been and continues to be the cause of many social problems throughout the ages. The problem here is the male need to "own" and control women. Add in some very weak and malleable women who suffer from the "PLEASE think I'm pretty!" complex that's brought on by cultures who define possibilities and values for women in narrow, shallow ways, and you've got a full-on war on those of us women who don't WANT to be "pretty."

When you look at the right-wingers and their crazed anti-abortion rhetoric, just about NONE of it has to do with protecting the "baby"--if it did, why wouldn't they target the fathers as wrong-doers instead of focusing wholly on the behavior of and choices made by the women involved?

It's all about a need to own and control women. When women go along with it, they are usually the kind of women who WANT to be owned because they think that it proves they're desirable. And agin, according to MANY cultures, being desirable is just about the best thing a woman can be, right? Women who show up in rap and rock videos, selling out their sisters by perpetuating this crap, are just as bad as people who "sell out" those of their race or social class.

These are weak, needy people. They do not belong to one race or another. They don't even belong to one country or time period.

I prefer strong men who are attracted to strong women. And I love sex, too. What I don't appreciate is this idea that a drive for sex and a drive for control are the same thing.

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Stupid article
Posted by: supercrisp on Jun 26, 2007 6:53 AM   
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I agree with the idea that African Americans get unfairly blamed for rap. But the whole chicken and egg argument of where the violence against women comes from is specious. If you read African myth and European myth, the misogyny is about the same. Rap does seem to me to be more violent in general, but I'm not listening to pop music, so I don't know. See: not informed, no opinion. If you're going to be making these kinds of claims, it seems to me you need to listen to the music, discuss the music, and have a pretty damn big sample size. I think the argument is interesting, but it seems to me to miss the whole point, which to me would be how to improve things, not figure out who's at fault for what. But hey, hand-wringing and finger-pointing are the natural occupaptions of Homo bloviatus, whether from the right, left, black, white, up or down.

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Unless I missed it, the author neglected to mention one more irrelevant "rock" band.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jun 26, 2007 7:25 AM   
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N.I.N.: I wanna effa u like an aminal!

Oh, and the Bloodhound Gang and their song...well, all of them, really. They've got an uncensored video that's hilarious, though. Oh, and I think he missed some Aerosmith Ragdoll action. Did I miss it, or did he forget to dig up Kurt Cobain and kick him a few times for doing whatever he did to make Courtney Love meltdown? "Hole", indeed! If I think of any more numbers that contribute to the author's premise that old acts have been immoral, I'll ammend them.

With regard to duh gangstuh wrapping, if you tell someone she's worthless garden tool, and a b--ch enough, and if you tell someone that the lives of their fellows aren't worth the bullet it would take to end it, then perhaps, eventually, your peers begin to believe you? Isn't that one of the tactics of military interrogators and dirty cops--if all else fails, tell someone something enough times, under conditions of duress, and they will eventually start nodding (bobbing?) their heads.

P.S. Kenny Rogers--"Coward of the County": if I remember correctly, he "took his daddy's rifle" to the bar in response to the Gatlin boys who "took turns at Becky, and there were three of them", "locks the door", and at the end of the song we are told that "not a Gatlin boy was standing", which leaves the violence--both against Becky and the Gatlin's--and the ending (somewhat) ambiguous and a little bit up to the imagination. Well, maybe not exactly ambiguous, but certainly more so than explicitly telling the listenership that he busted a cap in their bubblegooses for fecking his bizzatch. Also, the author might take note that the song does more or less the opposite of celebrating violence against the chickadees, what with the perps ending up flat on their backs. Perhaps the harsh condemnation and retribution for violence against women in this song was of little relevance to the issue of misogyny? I'll leave that one for social scientists looking for their junior achiever badge to ponder.

Me? I'd have chosen some Croce if I wanted to pick on explicit violent 30-year old country-ish acts that only aging farts like me like to tap their toes to:

"When the curtain went down, the only thing that wasn't bloody was the soles of the big man's feet/He was shot in a hundred places, he was stabbed in a couple more./You better believe they told a different kind of story when Big Jim hit the floor"

But that's just me, and that song is admittedly absent the misogynyst flair.

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» Fine Posted by: Robba29
» Silly, didn't you know? Posted by: ABetterFuture
What about the very real violence that rappers commit?
Posted by: blueskies on Jun 26, 2007 7:32 AM   
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This article completely ignored the fact that some of these rappers are not just singing about violence - they are actually committing it as well.

And rock singers for the most part do not base their popularity and personas on the illusion - or reality - of having committed violent crimes.

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Rock-Just as Misogynistic=Check. Just as Violent? I dont think so
Posted by: Fade on Jun 26, 2007 7:58 AM   
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"The double standard applied to rap music makes it easier to sell the idea that "gangsta rap" is "more" misogynist, racist, violent and dangerous than any other genre of music."

Rock is easily just as Misogynistic, but as violent, racist, or dangerous? I don't quite think so.

I mean, do you remember the time Metallica's lead singer tried to shoot the guitarist for Megadeth? No, I don't think so.
They may sing about cartoonish violence and anarchy, but its just angst and bullshit. These guys aint carrying guns, shooting people and starting fights left and right. They're just getting drunk and getting laid. Slayer don't "keep it real" by actually becoming the satanists they pretend to be. Moshing is about as violent as metalheads get. So, the points on misogyny are right on, but come on, don't tell us how NONVIOLENT "Gangsta" rap is. There are too many dead gangsta rappers out there to prove you wrong.

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Finally!
Posted by: Robba29 on Jun 26, 2007 8:04 AM   
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I've been saying this for years! Just listen to the lyrics of early Motley Crue, Poison, Warrant, etc! Today we have Hinder and other crap bands that do the same. For god's sake, just look at the inside of Guns and Roses' "Appetite for Destruction" album that shows a rape scene! Its not the mysogeny, its race.

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» RE: Finally! Posted by: EncinoM
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» RE: Finally! Posted by: EagleMB
» RE: Finally! Posted by: fitzjohn
The Bell Hooks Article...
Posted by: nothreat on Jun 26, 2007 8:17 AM   
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...cited in this article is well worth reading and much better than this one.

http://race.eserver.org/misogyny.html

These lists of songs in Dr. Rhymes article really distract from the point. It seems to be all you people want to talk about: "Oh Kenny Rodgers violence wasn’t as extreme as Ice-Ts." That’s just not the point. The point is that "gangsta rap" didn't evolve in a vacuum. It's a reflection of the larger culture of patriarchy.

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» Choices Posted by: moflard
» RE: Choices Posted by: nothreat
» RE: Choices Posted by: moflard
Perhaps
Posted by: vangogh69 on Jun 26, 2007 8:45 AM   
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We'd do well to be more careful about assigning too much power to art to influence life. We have, for a while now, lived under a patriarchical, capitalist, racist, misogynist system of laws, economies, commerce, and socialization, the reflection of which is made more apparent in certain times than others. The author makes some sound points but doesn't go far enough. It's foolhardy to condense the meaning of music (in any genre) down to the lyrics (which this author does), ignoring the musician's melodic skills, timing, composition, and innovation; would that we held a (white) pop album to the same lyrical standard of brillance as we do the (white-owned) mainstream gansta rap, we'd have Bach-quality music all the time. That said...

Society is in decay, of which art is a symptom. In case you haven't been paying attention, the world is pretty fucked up now with two wars going on (orchestrated by the US), liars & criminals in Washington, candidates that aren't worth a dime, wages that go for less than they did 40 years ago, people working longer for less, etc.

The film HOSTEL II has a scene with a woman bathing in another's blood and it's a mainstream, Hollywood flick. Only a sick society condones such torture and calls it "entertainment". Only a sick society looks at one artform while ignoring the rest, as this author does. (AND, seeing as how there are many genres of "porn", the author would do well to not condemn the entire idea...it makes as much puritanical sense as his spelling "f**k" instead of "fuck".)

Sorry, my two cents.

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» RE: Perhaps Posted by: EncinoM
If Rap is music . . . .
Posted by: billwald on Jun 26, 2007 9:09 AM   
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If Rap is music then so is the the 60 cycle hum that comes from power transformers.

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» RE: If Rap is music . . . . Posted by: lawstudent08
» RE: If Rap is music . . . . Posted by: lawstudent08
» RE: If Rap is music . . . . Posted by: rhinojos
not all rap artists are black
Posted by: treesarelove on Jun 26, 2007 10:05 AM   
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I think one broad, unfounded assumption that the auther makes is that all rap artists are black. Yes, the majority are, but what about Eminem? I recall a song by him called Kim, where he beats his wife, including soundclips of her screaming and crying.
("HAHA, gotcha! Go ahead, yell
Here I'll scream with you,
AHH SOMEBODY HELP.
Don't you get it bitch?
No one can hear you, now shut the FUCK up and get what's coming to you.
You were supposed to love me.
Now bleed bitch, bleed!
BLEED BITCH BLEED!
BLEED!")

This exemplification of violence is prevalent, and in my opinion, obviously linked to violent music and movies. (Anyone ever hear of Mirror Neurons?)

I do agree with the notion that the majority of rap music is ruthlessly violent. Yet it is so popular; does this say something about market demand?

The largest supporter/listener of gangsta rap music is teenage white males living in Suburbia.

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A few thoughts
Posted by: willymack on Jun 26, 2007 10:35 AM   
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I read this article and the responses with intrest. I'm an old fart and thought I'd throw in a few words of my own. I grew up in and around Newark,New Jersey-the poor man's Paris. The ethnic composition in my neighborhood was Italian and Black, (except for my Celtic family). I acquired as many black friends as Italian ones. While in company of my Black friends, I listened to them "play house" (playing the dozens on the West Coast). The object of this game is to insult each other in as vulgar and obscene a manner as possible-all in rhyming verse. Mothers played a prominent role in these verses. A few examples of this are: "Listen mutha fucka, gonna set you straight. Yo' mama got a hole like a P-38. Yo brother's in jail, yo daddy's on bail, yo sister's on the corner yelling pussy for sale! and :" Yo mama's so black, you cain't see her at night until she smiles. Finally, "I met yo mama in Atlantic City. She had a wooden leg and a rubber tittie". All this was accompanied by uproarious laughter and good fellowship. No malice was present or implied. The thought processes were shaped by POVERTY and the certain knowlege that the Black people occupied a subordinate position in the scheme of things. Keep in mind, this preceeds what I've read here by several decades, as I'm talking about the 1940s and 1950s. Now, of course, it's been commercialized and transformed into something truly obscene and hostile. The fact that I can remember some of these verses verbatim, is one measure of how dire the plight of Black people was, and sadly, still is.

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The corporatocracy doesn't like political messages in music
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 26, 2007 12:14 PM   
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For example:

"KRS-One talks about police officers and plantation owners:

Yeah, officer from overseer
You need a little clarity?
Check the similarity!
The overseer rode around the plantation
The officer is off patrolling all the nation
The overseer could stop you what you're doing
The officer will pull you over just when he's pursuing
The overseer had the right to get ill
And if you fought back, the overseer had the right to kill
The officer has the right to arrest
And if you fight back they put a hole in your chest!

- Sound of da police"

The same thing is true for other genres of music - recall how Clear Channel banned artists like Dixie Chixs for being 'unpatriotic?' Similarly, heavy metal songs that have political messages (Black Sabbath's War Pigs, for example) are not being played on corporate radio much:

Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds.
Oh lord, yeah!


Music has a great deal of power and can reach a lot of people. Corporations have tapped into this reality and are now promoting artists that promote corporate values: greed, selfishness, manipulation of others, and consumerism. Get the expensive car, the puff daddy sunglasses, the obedient female harem, the gold chains and luxurious house - that's a message that corporations and advertisers are comfortable with. Bob Dylan's "Master's of War", on the other hand?

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead


Bob Dylan, America's greatest songwriter...

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Thug life
Posted by: Fade on Jun 26, 2007 1:41 PM   
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And that last fact is breeding a whole new set of thugs, these ones white, smacking their bitches up, banging and slingin.

What ever color they are, its bad for the rest of us.

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Within the article
Posted by: magistre on Jun 26, 2007 3:19 PM   
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Within the article and the comments there are many valid points made-good and bad. Misogynism and racism are not the sole property of any race.
I also think the good Doctor needs to do some research on the history of some of the music he cites. Doctor if you would look up the history of the song "Cocaine" the question then becomes: "Does the song more extol the use of ilegal drugs when its sung by Eric Clapton or Muddy Waters or Howlin' Wolf or B.B. King, et.al.?

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Will music put fod on your table!!
Posted by: pito516 on Jun 26, 2007 3:57 PM   
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After reading the article and most of the comments posted, it's come to my attention that we still have so far to go with civil relations in this country. Let's get this straight the fact is in all the responses and post reponses on this subject not one person had the correcet reason for Imus being fired. It had nothing to do with rap or gangsta rap or hip hop. He clearly pointed out that he'd gotten the term "nappy headed hoes" from Spike Lees SCHOOL DAZE. How it was attached to rap boggles my mind, oh wait a minute now I know how it's because America and a great majority of her citizens would rather place blame on something or someone else, and not face the responsiblity of owning up for itself. Yes it's true the media can be largley at fault for the way rappers carry themselves, and very true of corporate greed but that doesn't make up for the fact that we (Americans) buy into it
when ever possible. Riddle me this; when was the last time anyone made such a public outcry for health care? How often does anyone get riled up when the topic is the national debt and how it's going to affect our families? More Americans voted for "IDOL" than for the presidential election which is very sad. The truth of the matter is that America is still trapped in the segregationalist mentality. It's still black vs white, white vs black, rich vs poor, and well Dubya vs common sense. No one ever talks about black on black racism or white on white racism because these topics are taboo in there repective communities. It existed years ago and still exist today. instead of bickering about who called who a bitch or whore (HOE for those in the hood) get riled up about losing your jobs to overseas markets, if the music doesn't suit you don't listen. If your kids want it be responsible parents and intervine should the situation call for it, if your child is a bad ass and you know it keep close eyes on their peers. There are more important issues we face everyday in this life and I for one don't have the time nor need to debate who's wrong for speaking his/her mind. Get back to the moral values our parents and grandparents taught us that we've lost and stand up for what's right, if you want the change be the change. Don't just get on the wagon because it's a hot topic.

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Eminem
Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 26, 2007 4:24 PM   
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I'm not sure I agree with the authors' thesis, but I will say that the obsession over Eminem was interesting to watch... almost like he was constantly attacked because it helped guilty white liberals in the press to clarify that they hated the genre, not just the race when they blame rap music for the world's ills.

ps- Bell Hooks lost my respect when she soft-balled Ice Cube in a Rolling Stone issue, and then hinted that Rolling Stone's motives for asking her to do the interview were racist. When you start to see invitations to write in a magazine as evidence of the magazine's hatred toward you, you have backed yourself into a paranoid corner.

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» RE: minem Posted by: nothreat
Oh, please
Posted by: VAGreen on Jun 26, 2007 5:08 PM   
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Did whites invent Pakistan's law that allows rape victims to be prosecuted for adultery?

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Keep Music Evil!!
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Jun 27, 2007 12:35 AM   
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Oh great, another one....
Posted by: Aureantes on Jun 27, 2007 3:50 AM   
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There have been some very intelligent comments made on this post -- some of them arguably a good deal more circumspect than the original article. Personally, I am rather tired of the "double standard" accusation in matters of race + entertainment media, but I can certainly give a good reason why many people don't give a hang:

If they don't like (that kind of) rock music, they aren't listening to it in the first place. Furthermore, they are not seeing it as a reflection of an entire race, because it isn't -- it reflects a smaller swathe of experience and attitudes. When it comes to rap and hip-hop, those forms have become so commercially pervasive as an example of (mostly)"black voices" that yeah, people take it as a cultural generalization far more easily than with musicians whose color is not their most noticeable cultural factor -- and that is a generalization made by both blacks and whites in characterizing music as either 'empowering or expressive' or 'disturbing and a bad example for real life.'

This whole "white cultural invention" comment in the header strikes me as a black cultural invention, and a racially-offensive one at that. If anything, the example of Eminem and other white rap/hip-hop performers reinforces the idea that it is not the color of a musician but the actual cultural milieu and attitudes they represent that should underlie criticism on social-moral grounds. There have always been musicians and performers that challenge the mainstream of society and social values, and there always will be. Methinks it would behoove the author and other racial critics to compare the messages in entertainment based on the actual reception of them and the effect they have on their audience's lives/choices, rather than on the mere presence of violent imagery and narrative -- which can be used to great effect in getting a constructive point across.

It's not a racial double-standard that's being exposed in this article, it's the expectation of a cultural leveling-bar that doesn't exist in that form, seeing as people who are white simply don't take every white musician as being representative of them for approval or censure -- far to the contrary, they are extremely fractious on the basis of culture-rather-than-colour, whatever that culture may happen to be. Therefore, social offensiveness in music is no one's issue but that of the specific cultural milieus that developed and nurtured those attitudes, with all their clashes of social factors. To attempt to cast it as a case for 'white man's guilt' across the board is in exceedingly low (and uninformed) taste.

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» RE: Oh great, another one.... Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: Oh great, another one.... Posted by: EasterBunny
Let's talk about the Misandry that pouring out of television
Posted by: gistre on Jun 27, 2007 5:31 AM   
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every day. Look at shows like "Everybody Loves Raymond," "King of Queens," and "Friends." Lots of hoots and laughs when you portray White men as retards.

Look at televison ads like "Washington Mutual," where elderly White men (a trifecta!) are shown as senile bumbling pants-pissers while being lectured by the hip, savvy Black (of course). Look at almost ANY television ad on during daytime; the men are consistently shown as bumbling retards on the level (if they're lucky) with a child.

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pervasive patriarchal expressions in music
Posted by: mcubed on Jun 27, 2007 9:44 AM   
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Great Article. Thank You.

As a white woman who listens to a broad range of musical genres, my personal favorite example of patriarchy expressed but not often acknowledged is:

"We can share the women,
we can share the wine . . ."
(Grateful Dead)

Since I'm not a lesbian, and can't imagine how I might "share the women", I'll assume this line is directed toward the boys.

It's feel-good music, and fun to dance around to, and I guess I'm supposed to be happy to join a harem. I always thought it was funny how Dead-Heads seemed to develop their own pseudo-tribal patriarchy outside of the dominant patriarchy.

Patriarchy is patriarchy, whether expressed by old white guys or young black guys.

Michele

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Calling out EasterBunny
Posted by: pito516 on Jun 27, 2007 12:33 PM   
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If the only reason you give rebuttuals on Alternet is to sprinkle it's readers with your low brow thoughts and half-assed intelligence, then I put forth a challenge to you. Come up with a relevant topic that can be discussed and criticized in an honest and thought provoking manner. If you can't, keep your FUCKING MOUTH SHUT.

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The Big Huge Picture
Posted by: grangersmith on Jun 27, 2007 5:57 PM   
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I am only an older white female, but I feel the Big Picture is being ignored.....Yes racism is alive and well in America, so is violence against woman, they have many things in common, dominance, control to make one be better take command, have the power and most of the resources...Women have had it tough because of their strength, size and the fact that they care for children and most others in general...What is really really important, shocking, horrible and needs huge attention from all Americans are the huge amount of Black and white poor males and females being jailed in the US...This is huge, and vastly important and why the Black and white leaders are not putting all their energies into this problem is beyond me...Little kids, who just so happen to be black, tried as adults, handcuffed, jailed and who are in elementary school....This is going on in every state in the US, it is very very alarming, and the jailing of all other kids who have learniging disabilites, neurological disorders is alarmingly high, low income families of all colors sex and size are under attack from the current political regime,,,people are dieing, going to jail without real cause, without legal representation, no health care, poor or no education for the learning disabled, poor nutrition..This is more important than what the conservative propaganda media is blowing off about. If people are kept busy arguing over small issues, it serves to deflect from the huge real human life/death blood and guts reallity that is lived day after day by the poor.. The democratic senate continues to pose, yet gives Bush a blank check when the kids in the US are going hungry and sick. When homelessness is at an all time high, when violence is growing due to mostly the dire social decline. Yesterday, Jesse Jackson got arrested trying to block a gun shop, how symbolic was that? Did it really impact anything, political posing, most guns used in crimes are underground recycled guns...Imus, that was posing too, who the hell cares about the effect of black music, or what an ignorant racist pig calls a person, he's an old racist ignorant senile white man. Rap music, defending the honor of the American Blacks, tit for tat, should not really be an issue. In better times when the living is good, in a thriving growing society, yes debate, intellectual articles, defending the cause or issue is normal....But kids are still being jailed, living in jail bad to no education, poor nutrition, can't afford healthy food, what's your priority here, do you even know or see the problem and how dire it is????Really I know a person has to make a living, but why complain about the smell when your house is on fire? Part of me wonders about even the Liberal enews, some of the issues are so superficial and useless jabber....Even the liberals seems to just have their pet causes, like give to the orphans in another part of the world yet ignore the kids who is homeless and hungry on the street corner...I guess we have all gone mad as a society, a mass denial factor, mass codependency issues to enable our country to self destruct, maybe even the world...Who Cares!!!!Really the important issues are freaken crazy senile racist Iman, the Fox network crude rude insane bigot Nazi's accusations that the Black community doesn't take care of it's own...I actually thought we are all Americans, a society and that white people even the jerks at Fox are just as responsible for racism, sexism, and such as anyone else...They are the biggest open racists in the US, and should be fired for their vile inciteful words that do incite the stupid redneck racists to violence towards others...They are worse than any rapper alive....

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There's plenty of hate to go around...
Posted by: Morgaine Swann on Jun 27, 2007 9:05 PM   
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I'm not going to say there isn't a torrent of racism behind this issue, but in this case, hip hop is popular so it's getting hit. Back when Tipper Gore was trying to label our records, everybody from John Denver (Rocky Mountain High was banned for its drug reference) to Blackie Lawless (W.A.S.P. frontman who simulated torture/murder of women on stage and wore a cod-piece that contained a 6-inch saw blade) had to testify before Congress. Back in the 50's, Elvis was going to be the end of civilization. The same thing was said about the bicycle when it was invented. Every generation scares the crap out of the older ones. Even Whoopi Goldberg says "they have raised barbarians!"

Misogyny is a huge problem in nearly every country on the planet. Women are systematically beaten, raped, sold, enslaved, tortured, murdered or generally oppressed just about everywhere. Somewhere in your neighborhood, there's a woman being beaten. Where you work it is a virtual certainty that the women are paid less than the men for equal or better work. A cop in Ohio just killed his pregnant girlfriend. Girls are being mutilated in the Middle East, brides burned for not bringing the desired dowry, women of every age are being raped as a tool of genocide. Why aren't we talking about that, rather than hip-hop?

Somehow, I just don't get that excited about some singer feeling put-upon for being asked not to normalize the idea of calling women "bitches and ho's" for a young audience with whom the rest of us have to interact. So it's "what [you] hear on the streets" - does that mean it's what you want to hear? What you want your sister to hear? Your mom?

Yes, they have a right to say what they want. But as Chris Rock says, just because you can do it, that doesn't mean it's to be done. There are such things as self-restraint, good taste, social consciousness. Not everything needs a new law thrown at it or a congressional hearing to expose it. Sometimes all it needs is for adults to acknowledge that they don't live in a vacuum, and they have the power to choose to make the world they live in a better place, even if they sell a few fewer records. Profit isn't everything. On the other hand, if it didn't sell, they wouldn't bother.

The firing of Don Imus was a great start. For my money, I'd like to see hate-mongers like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson and James Dobson follow suit long before anybody who sings for a living. Until then, I'll continue to turn off the tv, change the channel, and not buy records or magazines that promote ideas I don't want to support.

You don't help the situation by blurring the lines. This is about the treatment of women in an oppressive patriarchal system, and that knows no color.

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Rap versus Rock ?
Posted by: zipper696 on Jun 30, 2007 7:29 AM   
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About as relevant as a contest pitting a WWE buffoon against a black belt, 33rd Dan Karate champion.

Surely the proof is before our eyes, tune in to an evening of TMF, MTV or VH-1 Classic, note the respective videos of rappers and rockers. Rappers surround themselves with scantily clad young women, mostly in degrading "whorish" postures. Rockers go for good looking model girl types draped over a Ferrari or lounging beside a pool.

Rappers are stuck in a pre-teen wet dream, rockers have more adult tastes...

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Stereotypes
Posted by: Xanzyl on Jul 1, 2007 8:49 PM   
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I (for the moment, thankfully not for much longer) live in what is called 'the heartland of america'........If this isn't a misnomer, I don't know what is. I live in a city in Indiana with a population just under 60,000 people, and damn near every one of them reguardless of race or sex feel the need to become a stereotype. I am talking about becoming a living embodiment of racial/gender/subculture stereotypes.
I'm talking about black men/women/girl/boys that only aspire to the standard stereotype of the N word.
And trust me, we have more than our fair share of "wiggers".
Let's see......also seeing so many homosexual men and women that strive to become 'flamers' and 'dykes'.
I am truly not trying to be offensive, but these words are the only way to discribe the way in which the vast majority of the population.
Let's not forget stereotypical 'bible tumpers'. This state, and especially the city, is run by the Church of God. These are the people (with some exceptions. with any rule or generalization, there are exceptions) that would be known as 'sunday christians'. You know, the ones that act holier than thou in public but are seen at all the local liquor/sex stores and strip clubs.

I find it sickening that the society in the city I live in can only aspire to the stereotypes that are presented in the media. It is not the media's fault. That is what everyone fails to see. The problem is that more and more people are failing to think for themselves. I do know alot of very good people around here, but I have to say, they are very hard to find mixed in with the living breathing stereotypes that seem to be taking over.

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Here is Why There is a Double Standard Professor...
Posted by: faultroy on Jul 8, 2007 4:02 PM   
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The only word that comes to mind when reading Dr. Rhymes'
article is LOONEY!!!!!
The good professor wonders why Rock and more specifically Kid Rock is allowed to discuss misogny as from the Feminist prespective but Rappers get a bum "rap."
Well professor, it is obvious that you have been in an ivory tower way too long. You need to get out into the streets a little more.
We know Kid Rock is a musician and Eric Clapton is an old man. Essentially they are nothing more than "white bread." for some tough young black punks on the street.
We all know that they are just songs. And, we all know these upper class punks may do something kinda "bad" like maybe smoke a little marijuana, or if they are really bad, snort a little very high grade cocaine and continue indulging their egos. In every major city, black males of all age groups are being assaulted both physically, financially and emotionally by a world that they have little if any access to--unlike your upper middle class candy ass. For them, it's not a song, but the way they live and die.--tough, dangerous relentless and remorseless.
In my area--Milwaukee, a young black man as a 35 times greater chance of being violently killed by one of his own than a comparable white youth--and that is why there is a double standard--you ignorant effete dumb black bastard. And when that same punk winds up with a woman with a good job--say working for the state or so many of the other governmnt controlled "black entitlement programs," he can look forward to maybe not even working or at best do janitorial work or maybe work at a McDonald's making a whole $7.00 per hour--if he is extremely lucky-- So she has to support him. It's kind of tuff being and feeling like a man when the woman either supports you, or at best completely dominates you finanacially and makes you dependent on her--hence the misogny.
And if you weren't such an egotistical self inflating twit you would write articles that addressed one of the real problem with black culture--namely the impoverishment of whole generations of black youth by middle class black intelligentsia parasites like yourself feeding at the trough of their misfortune while you take home an above average income (about $130,000 for a full professorship at the University of Wisconsin) and writing about stupid shit which are merely symtoms rather than causes.--All the more, by the way, ingratiating yourself with the white power elite and fluffing your own bed ever higher.

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