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Why Male Military Veterans Are Committing Sexual Assault at Alarming Rates

By Lucinda Marshall, AlterNet. Posted May 25, 2007.


A recent DOJ report found that vets are twice as likely to be jailed for sexual assault than nonveterans.

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A recent study by the Department of Justice found that military veterans are twice as likely to be incarcerated for sexual assault than nonveterans. When asked about the finding, Margaret E. Noonan, one of the authors of the study, told the Associated Press, "We couldn't come to any definite conclusion as to why." The intrinsic and systemic connection between militarism and violence against women, however, makes this finding far from surprising.

Sexual violence has been a de facto weapon of war since the beginning of the patriarchal age. Raping and assaulting women is seen as a way to attack the honor of the enemy, and women have always been the spoils of war. The result is that many types of violence against women are exacerbated by militarism, including the indirect effects on civilian populations both during hostilities and after the conflict ends and soldiers go home. These include:


  • Rape/sexual assault and harassment both within the military and perpetrated on civilian populations

  • Domestic violence

  • Prostitution, pornography and trafficking

  • Honor killing



Examples are not hard to find. Before and during WWII, the Japanese enslaved as many as 200,000 "comfort" women, and after the defeat of the Japanese, the United States continued to use tens of thousands of Japanese women as sex slaves. During the 1990s more than 5,000 women were trafficked into South Korea primarily to work as "entertainers" near U.S. military bases. Hundreds of thousands of women have been raped, frequently for the purpose of ethnic cleansing in countries such as Bosnia, Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

In this country, sexual abuse within the military is often ignored. None of the officers implicated in the Tailhook that involved the sexual harassment of women were ever prosecuted. Sexual abuse problems at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs have only been partially addressed, and the murders of military wives at Ft. Bragg, N.C., and Ft. Campbell, Ky., provide shocking examples of the problems of intimate partner abuse within military families.

A 2003 study reported that 30 percent of female U.S. veterans reported being the victim of rape or attempted rape during their military service. Last year there were 2,374 reports of sexual assault by service members. Despite this, the military quit providing emergency contraception as part of its medical formulary in 2002 (even while officially recognizing its importance), and a recent congressional attempt to reinstate it was scuttled due to lack of support (ironically, the erectile dysfunction drug Levitra is included in the formulary).

As the above illustrates, this latest statistic regarding sexual assaults by military veterans is clearly no accident. It a systemic part of a military culture that not only tolerates but frequently encourages the hatred and belittling of women.

What this study illustrates is that clearly the impact that militarism has on how men treat women does not end when a conflict is over; indeed, the effects of militarism during post-conflict periods can also be quite grave. So-called honor killings have risen dramatically in Iraq in recent years, with the most recent horrific killing of 17-year-old Duaa Khalil Aswad because she fell in love with a man of a different religious sect. Honor killings are a common tool for reestablishing a sense of control in the aftermath of conflict, and men returning from "war" frequently transfer their entitlement to commit violence from the battlefield to their own communities.

While the military acknowledges the problem, it has also tried to cast the blame on such factors as the relatively young age of the offenders compared to the population at large and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). But neither explanation holds up in that this isn't a problem of men beating up men. Nor is it a problem of female vets, many of whom also are young and/or suffer from PTSD (99 percent of incarcerated vets are male), committing sexual assault. It is a problem of men raping and assaulting women.

It isn't surprising that the DOJ feigns bafflement about these latest statistics. For years now the problem of misogynist violence in the military has been the subject of lengthy reports and hearings. Yet the problem continues and with very good reason -- to cop an understanding of the issue and truly remedy the problem would require no less than a complete rethinking of the ethos of military violence and how it exacerbates the global pandemic of violence against women.


Editor's note: This essay is based in part on the author's previous work on militaristic misogyny, "Militarism and Violence Against Women."

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Lucinda Marshall is a feminist artist, writer and activist. She is the Founder of the Feminist Peace Network. Her work has been published in numerous publications in the U.S. and abroad including, Counterpunch, AlterNet, Dissident Voice, Off Our Backs, the Progressive, Countercurrents, Z Magazine, Common Dreams, In These Times and Information Clearinghouse. She also blogs at WIMN Online and writes a monthly column for the Louisville Eccentric Observer.

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Posted by: kwolf002 on May 25, 2007 12:33 AM   
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The fact that women suffer like this is terrible.

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military, schmilitary...
Posted by: Blue Heron on May 25, 2007 12:42 AM   
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that's no excuse for rape. And it seems that since men appear incapable of coming up with a solution to this problem, perhaps they should all have 'poor impulse control' tattooed on their foreheads, so that any creature coming across them, human animal or alien, will know to avoid them. I think we should stop giving males excuses for violence, but you know, maybe they're too dumb to know otherwise. After all, in nature profoundly stupid/lesser evolved creatures generally are more aggressive.

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Good article, one question re Iraq
Posted by: brunowe on May 25, 2007 2:20 AM   
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So-called honor killings have risen dramatically in Iraq in recent years, with the most recent horrific killing of 17-year-old Duaa Khalil Aswad because she fell in love with a man of a different religious sect. Honor killings are a common tool for reestablishing a sense of control in the aftermath of conflict, and men returning from "war" frequently transfer their entitlement to commit violence from the battlefield to their own communities.

She doesn't take into account the resurgence of religious militants. For example, alcohol is often banned (or alcohol vendors actually killed) in areas/jurisdictions , under Shi'a control. Although not nearly as serious as honor killing, they may share a similar cause. I would like to see if there is a geographical link between the rise in honor killings and areas where hard-line religious militias are in control.

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"Patriarchy" may be too strong
Posted by: socialpsych on May 25, 2007 3:28 AM   
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Male veterans also assault other men, commit violent crimes, and commit suicide at higher rates than the population rates. This suggests a broader problem of veteran aggression than this article depicts. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that military personnel are trained to be violent. They learn how to kill people and they learn that killing people is good. When they get out of the military, they then have a skill-set that isn't exactly civilized and, tragically, women are simply easier to bully than men and tend to be the preferred targets.

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They are their leaders
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 25, 2007 4:40 AM   
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Soldiers always become the reflection of the people who send them off to fight their wars. Think about it for a minute. Most of those German soldiers who spread so much terror across the European continent seven decades ago were good and decent church going boys in the post war era. The character of the Nazi hierarchy was almost assured to transform itself on to the kids out in the field doing the actual fighting.

George W. Bush and the tidal wave of human shit that defines this corrupt and disgusting administration are relected in the actions and deeds of a lot of the soldiers who have committed uneccessary acts of cruelty against the men, women and little children of Iraq (An excellent piece yesterday on AlterNet addressed this very problem). Sooner or later, these guys are going to be back on American soil. The trauma they have experienced in Iraq will follow them into their personal lives back home. The Gulf War of 1991, which only lasted a month, was able to produce a Timothy McVeigh. Expect a nightmare.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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This is hard to take.
Posted by: HughScott on May 25, 2007 4:43 AM   
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As a war veteran proud of my military service, I can’t begin to describe how sad this AlterNet article made me feel.

I’ve always known that rape is a violent act unrelated to sex. So it doesn’t surprise that men exposed to combat in Iraq might react violently to women after returning home. But God Almighty, if the number of rapes by Iraq veterans is correct, something has gone terribly wrong in our society!

As a father of three grown daughters, I’m even more upset that so many women have been victimized.

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why?
Posted by: paschn on May 25, 2007 5:37 AM   
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Cuz they're "our boys" and "heroes" to boot. They're entitled.

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Dworkinite hiccup
Posted by: goldmarx on May 25, 2007 6:21 AM   
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In her otherwise fine report on sexual violence in the military, Ms. Marshall cites pornography, although she introduces no evidence to back this up as a factor in such violence.

It's like a pacifist pro-life Christian citing the availability of abortion as a factor in the continuation of violence and war.

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Soldiers are purposefully trained to eroticize violence.
Posted by: melissa999 on May 25, 2007 6:41 AM   
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"Soldiers are purposefully trained to eroticize violence – from a heterosexual, male-aggressor perspective, even if some soldiers are gay and some are women. For example, during the first Gulf War, Air Force pilots watched pornographic movies before bombing missions to psyche themselves up."

"The military teaches soldiers to internalize the misogynistic role of violent masculinity, so they can function psychologically. At the 2003 Air Force Academy Prom, men were given fliers – using tax-payer dollars – which read, “You Shut the Fuck Up! We’ll Protect America. Get out of our way, you liberal pussies!” They were then treated to a play which provided instructions on how to stimulate a female’s clitoris and nipples to get her vaginal juice flowing (in case she was otherwise unwilling?)." Because it isn't rape if she "likes" it, right?

1) Soldiers are not the only – or main – casualties of war.
2) The economic harms of war are exacerbated by patriarchy for women – both within the U.S. and in Iraq.
3) Militarization intensifies the sexual commodification of women.
4) Militarization helps perpetuate sexual violence, domestic violence, and violence against women – both in the U.S. and Iraq.
5) Militarization and war decrease women’s control over their reproduction.
6) Militarization and conflict situations result in a restriction of public space for women – impacting their political expression.
7) Occupation will not bring women’s liberation.

All of the above is from Why The War is Sexist by Huibin Amee Chew

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Maybe it's how we look at sex
Posted by: bookwoman on May 25, 2007 6:49 AM   
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In spite of three decades of female liberation and enlightenment, many people still look at the sex act as something which has violence attached to it. It isn't a sharing of anything to this viewpoint, it is one person conquering another. Many of these men are coming home with unresolved anger. It could be that these sexual attacks dilutes this anger and makes life more bearable. We know that people with PST are not being treated well by the military establishment and are dismissed with an attitude which would do General Patton proud. Because they are not physically wounded, these people are being sent back into the general public without treatment. There are bound to be repercussions to this kind of mindset.

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Why Isn't There Counseling
Posted by: Gravitas on May 25, 2007 7:31 AM   
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Why isn't there some kind of counseling for military members upon exit. From boot camp, there are resocialized to become good soldiers. Which means somewhat losing their ability to think for themselves so they can follow orders better. Then all the examples above where they are exposed to misogynistic messages. I do believe that those brave enough to enlist and those brave enough to fight deserve our respect, even if we don't agree with the war. But their very psyches have been molded for the militaries purposes, and they should receive some help in getting them back. I also think it is not the wisest thing to pick leaders simply because they are veterans for the same reason. If one has been in the military, one is encouraged NOT to be a critical thinker. I am sure some people overcome this and can go on to be good leaders. But when we look at McCain, you have to wonder what kind of relapse he is suffering. What makes a good soldier doesn't always make for a good civilian, and certainly not for a good president.

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» I do agree with you!!! Posted by: Gravitas
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Are there more fundamental assumptions that need to be challenged?
Posted by: Colin on May 25, 2007 8:04 AM   
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It is a truly disturbing statistic but at the same time, exactly the kind of thing that needs to come to light.

I have two points to make, one in relation to the article and another in relation to HughScott’s comments. To start with Hugh, he parrots the feminist mantra that ‘rape is a violent act unrelated to sex’. I for one cannot understand this mentality. And, if pushed, I would suggest that it is one of the few prevailing myths that pervades society today. God, Santa Claus – they’ve all been pushed to the sidelines in favour of reasoned debate. Claim that the urge that pushes men to rape is primarily about sex, and the world reacts in the same way Christians used to treat heathens. The bottom line is the original feminist claims are built on very little. A few sociological studies, most of which have been contradicted and very little hard evidence. There’s plenty more evidence to suggest the opposite. Besides, I think there’s a terrible price to pay for such thinking, a price women who’ve suffered rape are currently paying in court where rape convictions over here in Britain at least, are at an all time low. Most of the time the Crown Prosecution won’t even pick up the case. But then, if you have to go to court and prove a man to not just be a man, but indeed a specific type of evil man, that’s hardly surprising, is it?

I’ve spoken about this at length in previous posts so I’ll not say much more about that here, but it does tie in directly with the second point I was going to make. If you’re prepared to work with me for a few moments and indulge the idea that rape – the act of forcing sex – is directly related to the want to have sex, then where does that leave us in relation to the solider story told above? Actually, as far as I’m concerned, we have a ridiculously neat picture forming.

 Firstly we accept that rape is about sex.
 Secondly we train, mostly, men to dismiss the normalised social elements of control (such as the desire not to kill) in favour of doing what is required in the battlefield. We are told this is both good and necessary.
 Then said soldiers retire.
 They are still men and men do sex. Except now these men are trained to dismiss the normalised social elements of control.
 Rape goes up.

It’s not a nice picture. It suggest that as long as you have soldiers, biology will guarantee that rape will forever increase, relative to typical levels. But that doesn’t mean the picture’s wrong.

We often live in an ugly world. To my mind, it’s best to accept and then work with that unfortunate truth than live in a state of denial.

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CO-ED COMBAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WORKING
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 25, 2007 8:05 AM   
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Until the fiasco in Iraq women served as nurses and medics, but not as combatants.We now know that they are more than capable soldiers. It's too much to ask that they fight a war and at the same time defend themselves personally. Emotions run crazy and in a combat situation there is no time to make sure everyone behaves. Sex is inevitable. But violent rape is different. There are reasons why women are new to combat. Thanks, ANNA

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From the head down, or from the bottom up?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 25, 2007 9:17 AM   
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If the military leadership promotes sexual torture as a means of getting 'information' out of people in jails - this by the way, includes raping boys in front of an audience of Iraqi prisoners, having CIA-trained female interrogators smear their menstrual blood on the faces of prisoners, playing a tape of a woman being raped to a prisoner and telling him that it's his wife - yes, that's Rumsfeld's and Cheney's idea of good interrogation techniques.

The notion was that Muslim men and women in Iraq were particularly vulnerable to sexual humiliation due to their cultural background. What this means is that the US no longer has any moral authority, period. It's like something you'd read about in a narrative by one of Nazi Mengele's victims.

Then, you wonder about the soldiers like Private Green: here's an excerpt from an interview with him:

In February 2006, Stars and Stripes reporter Andrew Tilghman interviewed Army Private Steven Green more than once while an imbed with the 101st Airborne Division. The last interview was a few weeks before the alleged rape and murder of a 14-year old girl and the killing of her family in Mahmudiyah, Iraq.

"I came over here because I wanted to kill people."

Over a mess-tent dinner of turkey cutlets, the bony-faced 21-year-old private from West Texas looked right at me as he talked about killing Iraqis with casual indifference. It was February, and we were at his small patrol base about 20 miles south of Baghdad. "The truth is, it wasn't all I thought it was cracked up to be. I mean, I thought killing somebody would be this life-changing experience. And then I did it, and I was like, 'All right, whatever.' "

He shrugged. "I shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing," he went on. "Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody and it's like 'All right, let's go get some pizza.' "


It's both - it's the corruption and rot at the top and the mindless trained killers at the bottom, and it's destroyed the reputation of the US military services - it's as least as bad as Vietnam, if not worse.

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Abu Ghraib and sexualized violence
Posted by: fanny666 on May 25, 2007 10:08 AM   
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There is a strange culture of sexualized aggression in our country and in our country's military. Most psychologists agree that rape is not an act of sex per se, but an act of violent humiliation- like spitting in somebody's face, but in the worst way possible. It seems to me that the sexual humiliation dealt out at Abu Ghraib was a symptom of this. Any time you've been ordered to kill somebody, I imagine that you have to do what you can to strip away their humanity, and humiliation of the official enemy is always a part of war. That's one of the reasons the thousands of former Abu Ghraib prisoners are so murderously angry at American troops now.

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Just a thought
Posted by: cneel on May 25, 2007 10:08 AM   
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Consider the possibility that it's an instinctive reaction to the acute chemical surges caused by long-term participation in violence. Watch the behavior of other mamals. My suggestion: let's rely more on diplomacy and vow as a species to abandon warfare. I'm pretty sure we have that capacity. Remember, we have to train people to be warriors; two-year olds exhibit altruism as a matter of course.

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pornography and war connection coincidence?
Posted by: anotherday on May 25, 2007 10:24 AM   
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Chris Hedges spoke on KBOO radio a few years ago about the Serbia-Croatia War and mentioned something I found fascinating. He said through fighting had been increasing for some time, the day war offically broke out men in the region cleared store shelves of pornography in a surge of womanflesh consumption.

What was so fascinating was it "clicked" for me that some weeks earlier Bush the Second declared war on Iraq and both alternative weekly papers in my city chose to feature pornography on their covers that week. The Willamette Week had two black corseted young white women playing lesbian to illustrate a story about Suicide Girls and The Portland Mercury had a buxom blonde woman in a camouflage bikini fearfully holding a military rifle while zombies grabbed at her legs from the ground.

There's comes a point when you have to stop writing off such coincidences as mere anomolies and start looking at the role of propaganda reinforcement regarding what constitutes acceptable violence. Just like military training, pornography teaches that some human beings can be reduced to Othered bodies that are permissable to violate because they are somewhat less human than real people. Far too many men consider themselves nouns and think of women as the verbs they use to speak to each other.

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It's the Culture
Posted by: johnc271 on May 25, 2007 11:07 AM   
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I was in the navy (to argue from authority), and I can attest that besides the obvious conclusion of what a militaristic, hierarchal structure of domination does to its members, misogyny is an everyday part of the culture. My brother, formerly of the army, would agree. Young men, despite however intelligent and empathic they may be, have an imperative to fit in- this is a long, subconscious process. A lot of it is borne from just a natural lack of understanding of the opposite sex (both sexes are guilty of this). But this is an aggressive, warmaking culture, violence is venerated. Self- identity and failure to perform and conform can be ruthlessly punished and ridiculed. It is a culture based on negative reward system. You have to do good for a long time (if ever) before you are rewarded - one does well primarily to avoid negative consequences (few people there reinforce their good behavior with misty thoughts of patriotism). It is an incredibly stressful life (and it is a life - it consumes you - it can be like a prison sentence, they own your whereabouts for the entire hitch), and self-medication is rampant.

The military attracts people from all walks of life, but it attracts a great many of shiftless people who have not much else going for them on the outside. The military is venerated in PR pieces on the news a lot these days, but the truth is it can be a moral minefield. They take in just about everybody, and there are some screwed up people in this world, people with little moral sense. The military can mold these people into a straighter line for quite a while - people like this can float along for nearly a career in the military, maturing into more cunning sociopaths- they might not rise too high, but if they stay out of enough trouble they got a paycheck and safety net for a long time.

That being said, those things are not necessarily preludes to such violent behavior as rape, but it is definitely not the fertile basis for respect to flourish. Violent behavior is learned, a process that does not occur overnight, nor is it undone quickly, if ever. In studies of violence, most notably those of Lonnie Athens, violent people first must be inculcated and trained in a culture of violence - an abusive family or tough street existence, for example. Now, during wartime you finally put a population into play that had up to that point only simulated violence. Violent people do not necessarily commit violence just for the hell of it (though many do), they do it to solve a problem. That is the way they have learned to do it, and it is not as simple as making a choice to do it otherwise. It is an entire psychological state that a person enters. If they enter it over and over again- even if it's justified as an act of war- well, that's Psych 101. Not everyone, not even the majority goes on to commit acts of violence against civilians or innocent people. Now, of those who do not or would know the difference, they would probably have some innate and well-defined sense of morality pre-existing to learning violent behavior, something they would have to have developed before joining the military. Statistically speaking it is no surprise that veterans of war would yield more unjustified acts of violence than a control population.

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The Shame of War
Posted by: sculptor on May 25, 2007 11:24 AM   
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As we approach Memorial Day we should use this as a reminder of the evil of
war and militarism in general. Along those lines I have decided in the future
to refer to Memorial Day as The Shame of War Day and I hope you will join
me in this small attempt to rob war of some of its glory.

Check out my anti-war sculpture at:

http://www.bronzedreams.com/victory.html

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It stems from racism
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 25, 2007 12:47 PM   
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Any veteran is surely familiar with words like "gook". In a tense situation, soldiers will talk about certain things as a form of stress relief. The raping of the enemy's women is one example of that, and it is made easier when the enemy is of a different race or ethnicity. That attitude is what is unacceptable. The idea that it's somehow ok to rape the enemy's women in a time of war is the root cause of the problem. People who hold that view toward "the enemy" have a greatly increased likelihood of viewing any woman as "the enemy" so as to provide some moral justification for rape. People like that will even view it as "their duty" to rape that commie, that america-hater, that illegal immigrant, that feminist, that chick who wont put out.... see how it spirals into absurdity? You have to go all the way to the beiginning, and say no it's not ok to rape that "gook", even if she shot 3 of your buddies. Even in the harshest of situations, the geneva conventions must apply.

I think that's a big part of the reason we lose wars like in vietnam and iraq. That 14 year old Iraqi female that got raped and murdered... I'll bet she recruited more jihadists than Osama himself. And she wasn't even a "terrist". Of course if the soldiers that did it listened to Rush Limbaugh every day (which many of them do) they probably did think she was the enemy, but that is not the issue because it's still immoral even if she was a cold blooded killa.

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Why should anyone be surprised that rape and warfare are connected?
Posted by: Basenjis on May 25, 2007 2:12 PM   
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It has always been so since time immemorial. As far back as Homer's account of the Trojan war, women were always considered just a part of the "spoils of war" to be enslaved, raped or murdered, according to the whim of the victor. Remember "all's fair in love and war."

As the mother of two Vietnam vets, one of which has suffered the terrible effects of PTSD for 35 years of his adult life, I have watched the current invasion and attack of a country that never lifted a finger against America with horror and great sorrow. Rape, torture, wanton and insensitive killings and other acts of dehumanization of victims are the natural consequences of unnatural and uncivilized behavior. We are still dealing with the terrible effects from a previous unjustified attack against a country who posed no threat to our nation and we walked right into this bloody and barbaric situation without giving very little thought to the consequences. When our young sons are taken out of their familiar home environments and trained to commit acts that violate every rule of civilized society, to treat perfect strangers as subhuman enemies, why on earth would anyone be surprised when they have difficulty turning off the violence upon reentering society.

The fact that both the Vietnam War and the present Middle East debacle have historcaused thoughtful and reasonable people to reexamine the use of military force to bully weaker and more vulnerable nations, is encouraging. When we find the courage to rise up and denounce warfare itself, such state-sanctioned inhumane behavior may, hopefully, become the anachronism it ought to be.

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There's a lot of scrapping on here
Posted by: Cruella on May 25, 2007 6:27 PM   
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Clearly the numbers reflect a variety of issue to which there are a variety of solutions. I found one partial solution - more women in the military. Full comments on my blog www.cruellablog.blogspot.com.

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killing and raping
Posted by: richholland on May 26, 2007 1:08 AM   
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What is worse be murdered by flames and bombs and bullits or raped ??
millions of german women were raped with consent of STALIN and the militairy leaders during and after the second world war.
Many were Catholic and didnot want or have an abortation so they gave birth and took care for the babies.
There is NO clean war and all the movies of putting some soldiers in jail for rape are hypocritical.
Donot Attack another country for the Oil or Gold or whatever.
No more war, no more rape.

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Is That Peggy Noonan
Posted by: bob t on May 26, 2007 1:20 PM   
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Is the Margaret E. Noonan, referred to in the article, the same as Peggy Noonan the radical right wing republican and another staunch enabler of republican politics and their agenda of war-kill-death for profit and world domination. If it is she is so corrupt that she will never admit anything resembling the truth. And she is against womens rights and protections. She is a keep them barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen mindset that the catholic church proposes and if they get out of the kitchen they deserve what they get, mentality.

She is in the same group as Phyllis Schlafly, Bay Buchanan, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, and of course the men in that group are Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Tim Russert, Glenn Beck, Chris Mathews, Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson, Dick Cheney, Lynn Cheney(a vicious and angry female of confused sexual identity) George Bush, Ronald Reagan, poppy Bush, Babs Bush(another strange female), Jeb Bush and all the other right wing extremist fundie republican religious politicians who support the republican agenda of war for profit and world domination no matter how many people they kill and maim, either american or Iraqi.

Me thinks that is she, one among many of the vicious. And terribly confused about their own sexuality and roles in life which embody a female love-hate mentality toward themselves and toward men. These are extraordinarily angry and confused women who don't know whether they are women or lesbians. Sorry lesbians, no offense intended for lumping you with the likes of Noonan&Co. Third class status for women, by their own religions, is what produces these confused and angry women.

I watched her in a forum at Boston College, emceed by Tim Russert. The only two reasonable people there were EJ Dionne and his debate partner; and the audience.

To give you a perspective, the opposite of those of the Noonan ilk is someone like Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Robert Kennedys oldest and past Lt. Gov. of Maryland. Who said in a speech she gave while in Cleveland that the catholic church just doesn't know what to do with women and is afraid of them. In my estimation she was very correct in that observation. The catholic church has a very confused, mixed and borderline hostile atitude toward women and always has. No wonder so many women, especially catholic women are confused.

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violence begets violence
Posted by: mtnprivy on May 26, 2007 1:30 PM   
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It is odd that everyone seems to buy into the idea that "most" of the victims of violence are women. As I have learned", hurt people hurt people." If you wanna see (hurray for equality, and all) the violence committed by women increase, and rival that of men, then subject women to the same emotional numbing factors while still in development. Repeat to them the statement "Men and children first," and remind them that they are disposable. Pretend that women are NOT the victims of sexual (and non-sexual) assaults, the same way it is denied about men in our society. Repeatedly make them stuff their feelings, and teach them that it is NOT OK to share. After you have done that, and they have been brainwashing into automatons, then send them to a foreign culture for hundreds of generations, and require them to aim guns at other humans, and shoot them dead. Better yet, get them to hack those humans appart with hand weapons. At the end of this mental experiment, then tell me how different are the sexes, and why "men are so violent." While you're at it, you might try going to jimhopper.com and checking out some of his pages on violence, particularly the ones on gender rigidity. The voices of male victims of sexual assault are also quite revealing! I'd like to hear your comments after you check out that website! I am always amazed how many people cannot fathom that a perpetrator can also be a victim. That is actually the essence of what the "cycle of violence" is all about. That is the essence of war. Somehow it is easier to make one person the "perp." and another one the "victim." The world ain't that simple.
Please check out Jimhopper.com, then tell me what you think.

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Um ... Anyone ever hear of Olongapo or Angeles City in the Philippines?
Posted by: Fogbelter on May 27, 2007 11:52 PM   
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I noticed that of the places mentioned in the article the use of Japanese and Korean comfort women woman was brought up but the decades old R&R Industry in the Philippines was left out. Prior to the exit of the US from the Philippines in 1992, after the eruption of Mount Pinatubo, the United States in concert with the Philippine Government countenanced an R&R experience for US Military Personnel in the cities of Olongapo, outside Subic Bay Naval Base, and Angeles City, outside Clark Airforce Base, that is legendary amongst US Veterans of that era.

Bargirls and Beer is what kept Olongapo and Angeles going for decades. There were few, if any, imposed limits on the actions of the US Military and the notion of "what happens on float stays on float" was the order of the day. In these towns, anything of a sexual nature was available, and age of consent was only an issue if the serviceman had qualms about it.

Abuse of the bargirls, who were basically slaves to the bar owners due to their draconian contracts, was rampant. It was not unheard of for a naked bargirl to be found stumbling out of a ditch at the side of the road after an evening with an over amped customer. To put it straight, abuse, and rape of bargirls in those towns were so commonplace that complaints were rarely lodged with the police forces, who were corrupt to start with.

One wonders, aghast, how there can be an association between Service Personnel and rape and abuse of women? Well, to put it bluntly, if an individual is allowed to develop certain tastes and proclivities abroad, don't expect them to relinguish them once they come home.

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