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How Bad Would a President Romney Be for Blacks and Latinos?

By Earl Ofari Hutchinson, New America Media. Posted May 23, 2007.


Mitt Romney says that he will preach and practice diversity. But his record as governor is anything but reassuring on diversity.

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Now that Mitt Romney has been certified on the cover of Time Magazine as a bonafide GOP presidential contender he'll be peppered with even more tough questions about his politics and philosophy. He'll also be peppered with questions about his Mormon faith.

One of the questions is would his administration be truly inclusive, namely would he preach and practice diversity. The pithy one line answer that he gave when Jay Leno recently asked him that nagging question won't cut it. He simply said that he believed discrimination is wrong.

It's hard to image a candidate, any candidate running for an office, saying anything else. Romney's record as Massachusetts governor is anything but reassuring on diversity. In fact, when it came to appointing minorities and women to judicial posts his record was atrocious. It took a big pounding by the Massachusetts Women's Bar Association in his last year in office before he made a slew of appointments of minorities and women to the state bench. By then Romney had his eye firmly set on a presidential bid, and that put him in the national public spotlight.

His record on diversity would be closely scrutinized. Romney's successor Deval Patrick, a Democrat, and the state's first African-American governor, strongly hinted in his inaugural address that he would make diversity and inclusion a huge part of his administration. This was a not-so-veiled slap at Romney. (Romney did not attend Patrick's inaugural).

Now with Time's imprimatur, his knack for raising tons of campaign cash, and the race for the GOP presidential nomination still in the early stage, and with leading GOP contenders John McCain's penchant for gaffes and Rudy Guiliani's stumbles on abortion, Romney is poised to be the GOP's go to guy if McCain or Giuliani tumble from the top.

The question of diversity in a Romney White House would nag even more. That also brings in the question about Romney's faith. The Mormons clung tightly to their well-documented, race-tinged dogma for more than a century that blacks were an inferior race, could not be priests, serve on missions or be married in the Temple. Mormons were hardly the only religious group that hid behind the Old Testament curse of Ham as a cover for their blatant racial bigotry. Many evangelical fundamentalists did the same. The Mormons simply held to this racial belief longer and more doggedly than the others, and scrapped it only after church leaders say they got a revelation from God in 1978. That was a decade and a half after the great civil rights battles of the 1960s.

The Mormon leaders claim that they have convincingly junked their racist past, and tout their much-publicized genealogical research on African-American families, their aggressive missions in Africa, and the handful of blacks that serve in the important church body known as the Quorums of the Seventy to proof it. But Mormon leaders have also have rejected calls for the church to apologize for its century plus defense of that past.

Mormon change efforts are certainly commendable, but that doesn't lessen suspicion that the attitudes of rank and file Mormons toward race and gender issues aren't still frozen in time. The inherent social conservatism in the Mormon faith and practices further deepens the suspicion that a Mormon in the White House would hardly be prone to make diversity the watchword of their administration.

Romney himself is a near textbook example of that conservatism. He has aggressively courted the evangelical right, is loudly pro-life, opposes same-sex marriage, proposes big cuts in taxes and government spending, and would pack the Supreme Court with conservatives. He has wrapped himself more snugly in the cloak of Ronald Reagan than the other GOP contenders.

Romney probably wouldn't do what President Bush did and appoint a bevy of high profile African-Americans to top echelon positions. Diversity, of course, was hardly the mantra of the Reagan administration. In opinion polls nearly half of all Americans have an unfavorable view of Mormons. They still see the faith as clannish, cultish, polygamy practicing, and far out of the mainstream of American religious traditions. They are troubled that Romney's faith and conservative politics may be so meshed that a Mormon could not keep church and state matters separate.

Romney bristles at this notion and his backers point to a possible backlash against John F. Kennedy's Catholic faith. It was feared that would derail his White House bid in 1960. That didn't happen because Catholicism is much closer to the religious mainstream than Mormonism is and because Kennedy didn't dodge the issue.

In a speech, early on he put the fears to rest that his faith would not be an issue in his governing. Romney's right that his faith shouldn't be the determining issue in whether he's fit to be president. He was also right when he told Leno that Americans don't pick candidates based on the church they go to but on the values they share.

However, those values more often than not can't be separated from their religious beliefs and in Romney's case it's far from clear that diversity is one of them. And that's a matter of more than faith.

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Earl Ofari Hutchinson is a political analyst and social issues commentator, and the author of the book, The Emerging Black GOP Majority (Middle Passage Press, September 2006), a hard-hitting look at Bush and the GOP's court of black voters.

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Diversity does not equal quality
Posted by: White middleclass male on May 23, 2007 3:59 AM   
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How are blacks and Latinas equal to me when they are given preferential treatment when it comes to college admissions and job hiring?

If they need the preferential treatment because of the evil white man, why don't Asians get affirmative action benefits? They are the smallest minority and therefore the easiest to repress. Maybe it has something to with high school activities. While one group is in the math club and studying for the SAT the other is practicing free throws and the third is picking out prom dresses in the maternity section.

Feel free to call me a racist but please explain why the smallest minority does not get affirmative action benefits. when blacks and latinas do.

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Diversity = RACISM
Posted by: gellero on May 23, 2007 5:07 AM   
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Diversity has come to mean only Blacks & Hispanics. By what ethical or moral standard do they have the right to be included in any profession or official position in proportion to their percentage in the general population.?? 'Diversity = Racism' and is discriminatory against East Indians, Asians, and Jews. Any sensible citizen would want the most qualified person. But as we know, politicians, especially Democrats, pander to their racially favored groups to get votes.
And who gives a rats ass about Mormon ideology?? The 'stats' on their 'cult' (ie crime, divorce, abortion, illegitimacy, education, income etc.) seem to be way better than the 'favored minorities' and the white man in general.

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» RE: Diversity = RACISM Posted by: drmflorida
» Isn't it amazing... Posted by: xconservative
» Not True Posted by: gellero
» RE: Diversity = RACISM Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: Diversity = RACISM Posted by: drmflorida
Forget politics. The question is, are Mormon followers including Mitt Romney racist?
Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2007 5:23 AM   
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I worked in Utah after graduating from Texas A&M in 1956. The Mormons were definitely racist then, with their prejudice directed exclusively at black people.

Later, while flying in the Air Force as a SAC combat crewmember, one of my navigators was a Mormon. He explained the church’s institutionalized bias as its belief that black people were cursed by the “Mark of Cain" and could not achieve Mormon priesthood. Having been raised a Methodist by liberal parents, I found the religious dogma repugnant.

Called me prejudiced as well, but I believe Mormons are still racist today including Mitt Romney but they won’t admit it, which makes them hypocrites. Case at point, the Utah Jazz and its noticeable abundance of white NBA players. Tell me they weren’t selected with Mormon fans in mind.

Not the strongest case for LDS racism, certainly, but a coincidence? I don’t think so. To put it another way, Hell will freeze over before the Utah Jazz has an all-black basketball team.

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» Utah Jazz Aren't Racists Posted by: edith
Racism and politics
Posted by: daw13 on May 23, 2007 6:24 AM   
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Comments to most of this writer's pieces indicate what serious trouble we're in. Getting-poorer white people are gravitating toward the Nazi right rather than the Left. Instead of dismantling a visciously class divisive, race/ethnicity divisive systesm, understanding that no one is safe unless all are safe, they're choosing to make the best deal they can for themselves. Unfortunately, the progressive Left panders to white anxst. Rather than take a courageous stance in opposition to still very much alive and well instituionalized racism (more invisible, true, but more lethal than ever) it pays the meagerist lip service to addressing it.

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» RE: acism and politics Posted by: drmflorida
» RE: acism and politics Posted by: Lauren
ONE PRESIDENT - ONE COUNTRY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 23, 2007 6:52 AM   
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Unfortunately we cannot hand tailor a president for each religion, race, and social group. With that in mind let's concentrate on what it takes to be a great leader. If we are ever to get beyond the race/religion/gender thing we should start ignoring it. Let's look at real qualifications. This is The Great Melting Pot. That means everyone 'melts' a little. The country cannot run around any single group of people. Thanks, ANNA

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» Hilary(Not) Posted by: edith
If I ever need to hire a doctor, lawyer or any professional
Posted by: White middleclass male on May 23, 2007 6:54 AM   
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I will avoid blacks and latinos and hire a white or asain if at all possible. At least I know they earned their position on their own and were not given the job/ place in the university to fill a quota.

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» ARE YOU KIDDING ME???!! Posted by: madaha
» pot-stirrer is too nice Posted by: drmflorida
Any Republican...
Posted by: bob t on May 23, 2007 7:17 AM   
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...president is not only bad for blacks and latinos but bad for all any and all human beings not only in America but in the entire world.

Wake up sheeple just read and pay attention to the core values of the Republican party. It is the party of the corporatocratic control and domination of all human beings. They just use religious voters to get their votes since the 8100 families that control 90% of the wealth of America don't have enough votes to control the government. So the wedge issue america into pieces.

Hell, NO we are no longer one country. America has been wedged into so many factions set to warring against each other that the corporatocrats and the wealthy can actuall control the true agenda. AND, they call that free enterprise.

Like the auto companies who for decades controlled legislation so despite bad products and bad management(can we say Roger Smith) they could prosper the entire US corporatocracy is, since the days of Reagan, Pope John Paul II(and the current pope) and Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson/Dobson et.al. controlling legislation so they can make egregious profits no matter how many people they have to kill they and their religious cohorts will kill to get their way.

Religio-corporate fascism is rampant in America. The 59 million red voters gave America to them.

No human being and truly patriotic american in his right mind would ever vote republican. Only the 8100 families that control 90% of the wealth in america would ever vote republican. Voting republican is nothing more than self destruction, self hate and totally against the techings of Jesus.

Catholic (I am Catholic) Republicans vote republican despite the pronouncments of Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum, who advocated for the workering man and against rampant capitolism.

Now we have Popes John Paul II and the current Benedict XVI who have aligned themselves and the Catholic church with the Republican party.

And all the while mexicans starve under another captolist president put in power by the Republican party( can anyone say Dick Morris and his boss Karl Rove who destroyed the chance that Mr. Lopez Obrador might become president and work for and on behalf of the mexican people and against US corporations who endlessly exploit them and the american people. But the popes, past and present endorse and endlessly support the Republican party.

Every person in America should/must demand and scream loud and clear on behalf of the mexican people, not promote illegal immigration which transfers the burden of mexican poverty on to the american people.

The current pope should have done that but he stayed silent and let this horrific act take place and all the while continuing his support for the Republican party. The Vatican has been bought by the Republican party.

So much for the last remaining shreds of my religion.

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» RE: Any Republican... Posted by: CatDad
» RE: Any Republican... Posted by: Lauren
Mitt Romney
Posted by: xenacat on May 23, 2007 7:25 AM   
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has outright lied about a number of things - it is blatant, for Christ's sake. He told the people of Mass. that he supported certian progressive issues and now has completely reversed his position on gay marriage, abortion etc. Racist and (not to mention sexist) fundementalist dogma don't lay too far from the surface in Mormomism, despite the leaderships' coy, spin doctored protests to the contrary. The comparisions to JFK's Catholicism are very shaky at best. There are no home grown Catholic states in the U.S - never has been a state founded strictly on Catholic theology. Not so with the origins of Utah, the state of the Mormans. Utah is a theocracy and a Romney presidency would also entrench the unpleasant layer of a state religion even more deeply into the empire the Bushies have made. My unfortunate, enforced encounters in areas in which Mormons are dominant have given me a pretty good handle on the hypocrisy that the Mormon leaderships spouts. It is a fundemental tenet of the faith (although extremely hush-hush) that is it is perfectly fine and dandy to lie to "unbelievers" since we are all damned to the hell that they supposedly don't believe in anyway. Good Ol' Mitt has already demonstrated this principle in action. I sure hope he isn't allowed to demostrate it on a national level.

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» RE: Mitt Romney Posted by: Debrar
» RE: Mitt Romney Posted by: xenacat
» RE: Mitt Romney Posted by: Debrar
» EpiNUT: Are you one of the 144,000? Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: Mitt Romney Posted by: Lauren
» mormonism is a "poisened cake?" Posted by: poppop_schell
» Slick Mitt.... Posted by: CatDad
» RE: Slick Mitt.... Posted by: poppop_schell
Pay attention to the man behind the curtain
Posted by: bookwoman on May 23, 2007 7:47 AM   
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I am from Massachusetts, and we spent years watching Romney do his changeling act. He came roaring in from Utah when the Commonwealth was preparing for an election and was in the aftermath of a governor who should never have been near the State House. There were other perfectly fine candidates on both sides of the aisle. Voters were warned that Romney had made his money as a financier who bought companies and broke them up for resale. However, a flashy campaign got him the Governor's office. He had run as a moderate Republican but he quickly morphed into a conservative one. He tried desperately to morph Massachusetts into what he considered a more acceptable environment for Conservative national voters. This having failed, he returned to his normal Conservative thinking adding a full fillips to better fit in with what he saw as the ruling Republican Conservative feeling in the country reflected by the Administration and GOP Congress. We, here, in Massachusetts are waiting to see what he becomes next. This man is more of a changeling than the characters on "Star Trek". Beware, beware America. Don't judge a book by its cover. Our liberal legislature and the desire of the people of Massachusetts to treat everyone as equally as possible stopped this man from carrying out his agenda. Don't be fooled. Count his flips flops before you enter the voting booth. By the way, I am a cradle Republican.

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» Flashy Campaign Posted by: gellero
Colbert's take on Romney's flagrant pandering
Posted by: haystack1317 on May 23, 2007 8:34 AM   
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I don't know if any of you saw Colbert's take on Romney trying to run from his heritage with the words "I can't think of anything worse than polygamy." It was hilarious. Colbert basically said that if Romney couldn't imagine anything worse than that, he sure as hell had a pitiful imagination. Then, in true Colbert supercharged satirical form, he want to say, like what if it were polygamy with DUDES, and then what if some of those DUDES were MINOTAURS! Unreal. Hilarious. He made Romney look like the pandering hypocrite he really is.

Colbert was hilarious after Romney's comments about doubling Guantanamo too. Wondered why Romney was soft on terrorism. He, Colbert, wanted to shrink the whole place to give the terrorists less elbow room.

What I'm enjoying is watching Romney and McCain beat each other up. Neither one can win. Neither can Guiliani, since all he has to run on is 9/11 and that is just not holding water. I don't know what's going to happen, but a year from now it will seem silly that we spent any time on Romney or McCain, I think. Hopefully so for Guiliani. The main fear isn't the Republican candidate but the brazen Republican theft of the elections.

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» YouTube? Posted by: lotus23
Romney in a Nutshell..so to speak...
Posted by: ekipnrut on May 23, 2007 8:38 AM   
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The man was.... brought up in..conditioned by....willingly served and failed to denounce or disassociate from... a WHITE RACIST CULT..aka Mormon Church of the LDS. Period.
That in and of itself should be the end of any consideration of him as 'Presidential' material. His 'past' white supremacist
affiliation.....and that only to the extent that LDS now (as of 1978) CLAIMS a change of tune...should be no more forgiven,or forgotten that the 'past' life on an ex nazi.(See the
illustrative documentation on this currently posted on Hutchin- son's regular column that addresses the Romney issue. ( If the link doesn't connect ...just click over to it!!!)
ROM2

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Don't forget Romnie's biggest accompishment...
Posted by: SteveO on May 23, 2007 8:52 AM   
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Making it illegal NOT to own health insurance.

Twit's just another repugnican corporate pawn. The only reason he is ahead in the polls is because the rest of the field is so bad and Bu$h has turned off so many people.

His normal fund raising strategy is to write himself another check. He's trying buy the presidency the way he bought the governorship.

He'd fill the cabinet with the same kind of corporate insiders Bu$h has. Racial diversity would take a back seat to what corporation requested what pawn in what post.

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» RE: mick3 Posted by: Lauren
Racism and Bigotry
Posted by: travistcummings on May 23, 2007 9:14 AM   
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Ironic, a bigoted article on racism....

In a country that has "freedom of religion", why where the Mormons driven to Utah? Nobody drove the blacks to Utah. Mormons have been oppressed as much as any group in the USA. They just haven't taken the victim mentality.

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» RE: Racism and Bigotry Posted by: drmflorida
» RE: acism and Bigotry Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: acism and Bigotry Posted by: ***
» RE: acism and Bigotry Posted by: xconservative
» Great point, xconservative! Posted by: HughScott
» RE: acism and Bigotry Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: acism and Bigotry Posted by: xconservative
» RE: acism and Bigotry Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: acism and Bigotry Posted by: Lauren
Your life
Posted by: travistcummings on May 23, 2007 9:17 AM   
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Apparently you have not had anyone close to you die. Yes, religion and faith need kept in perspective, but life is certainly more than a process of nature.

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» Huh? Posted by: drmflorida
Equating Romney to Mormon
Posted by: mdwoade on May 23, 2007 9:55 AM   
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I was concerned about the article concerning Mitt Romney and his Mormon roots. The article seems to have two points of focus: Romey himself and the Mormons. The article talks about Romney then the Mormons then Romney then the Mormons.
We all know that Romeny is a Mormon, but he is a lot of other things also. By juxtaposing the candidate and his religion, the article seems to imply things that are perhaps not accurate. I am wary of this technique since it is used by the unscrupulous right to imply a connection between Saddam and Al-Quaida. If I said "person A" and "group B" in enough sentences close together, then you will begin to see the links. This is an opinion piece, but should all recognize the possible use of "spin" in any political writing.
Personally, I am slightly negative on Romney, but then again I cannot say I am very positive on the other Republican candidates. And, personally, I am slightly positive on the Mormons. Two Mormons emerged from nowhere to help us move into our present house, and then they left after we thanked them. I do not remember any Methodists or Buddhists stopping by that day to lift our bureaus up the back stairs. I can think of so many other religious groups with at least as much baggage. And, I still think that equating a candidate with his religion probably does a disserve to both. There are enough bad things to say about any candidate without bringing in his faith community.

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» RE: quating Romney to Mormon Posted by: drmflorida
» matthew 7:6 Posted by: poppop_schell
VIRTUALL ALL LEADERS
Posted by: Roverton on May 23, 2007 10:57 AM   
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are the fake versions of true representatives to any group.

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I'm Mormon, but hate Romney
Posted by: kellysgarden on May 23, 2007 1:38 PM   
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Most Mormons in Utah are politically ignorant. 90% of Mormons will vote for him simply because he professes to be Mormon. 90% of Mormons have no idea what his views even are. But Romney is no pawn of Mormons, he is bought and sold out to groups other than Mormons the same as any other candidate is. A Mormon who goes against Christ's teachings of Peace and Compassion for Fellowmen the way Romney does is not representative of my Mormon beliefs. For goodness sakes, he has professed to endorse torture and wants to double the size of Guantanamo!!! This is not what my Mormon beliefs are.

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JOSEPH SMITH
Posted by: gellero on May 23, 2007 7:39 PM   
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Was lynched in Kansas because his acolytes where runnin' off with the farmers' daughters to injun' country. Can't blame them......old guys with young babes. The best of all worlds to the Mormons. But so what.....all religion is based on myth........

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» RE: JOSEPH SMITH Posted by: poppop_schell
Does this election season strike anyone else as incredibly odd?
Posted by: ateo on May 23, 2007 8:28 PM   
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On the one side we have the first black man/woman who might ever run for president under one of the major parties.

On the other side we have 3 candidates that would, in years past, be ruled out for a variety of reasons.

McCain - I like him but he's completely insane due to his years of being tortured by the Vietcong and everyone knows it.

Romney - Mormon, 'nuff said

Giuliani - Married many times, Italian, a "liberal" Republican from New York. The only reason he's being considered is because of name recognition and 9/11.

It's like this is, and I don't mean to offend any of the candidates because they are all qualified to run and/or be president (well, maybe), but this is the freak show of elections.

A complete freak show, that's what this election is shaping up to be. My question is why?

Well the Democrats feel like the anti-Republican/anti-war sentiment is so strong in the U.S. that they can put up virtually anyone including a sack of potatoes and win. The Republicans on the other hand recognize that their standard "white protestant career politician" approach might not work this time so they are looking for polarizing candidates with big name recognition.

For the most part I feel like the Republicans know they are going to lose and thus are setting themselves up for failure with a token candidate so they can make a serious attempt in 2012 or 2016.

This is a long game folks, and political strategists think long term.

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I am Latino and voting for Romney
Posted by: yassersanchezlaw on May 23, 2007 8:27 PM   
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I am a Latino and strongly believe that Gov. Romney is the best qualified to lead this country. My best friend is an African American from the Bronx and he agrees. It is frustrating to me to have this strong media bias trying to push people away form the core of these candidates and their records and make politics a circus.
Look at the man. Look at his family. Listen to what he has to say and you will see what I see, a person qualified to lead this nation.
I could care less if he hunted or not. I could care less if he hired a landscaper who had an illegal as an employee.

Romney is the best Republican candidate. That is why Sen. McCain is so flustered...because Romney is winning the early primaries and Rudy is a liberal. Both great leaders, but not men of the caliber of Gov. Romney.

Romney has this Mexicans vote!!!!!!

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» Actually ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
Stop Telling Me I'm A Racist..
Posted by: LadyLibery on May 23, 2007 10:00 PM   
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I am a Latter-day Saint (Mormon), and I am not racist! I'm not. How can I prove that? In a forum, I don't think I could ever really persuade someone that I am not racist, and racism is not part of my faith. You have to really know me, and others of my faith.

I have never heard a racist word at church. Sometimes, people believe what they want to, and I can't figure out why so many people want to believe we are racist. Trust me I know the history, but unlike most I know both sides of the history. Does anyone talk about how Joseph Smith was an abolisionist? Does anyone tell you that a the black men that were given the priesthood during Joseph Smith's lifetime? No. Instead people toss around century-old-quotes that are not church doctrine and twist things to fit their agenda

There's more...

www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/blacks_prejudice.htm

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ROMNEY GETS RESULTS--THAT IS WHAT IS REASSURING
Posted by: DLounsbury on May 24, 2007 1:31 AM   
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Are you really going to judge Mitt Romney with a checklist of who worked for him and what category they fit into? That is not an outlook consistent with diversity, it is a divisive approach.

Not all minorities believe your quota view of diversity helps them. Many minority leaders, professors, politicians and common folk see the current left wing quota approach to diversity as a complete impediment to their being viewed as deserving of their position in society. Many minorities would like to put to rest the question of whether they earned their way or not. Your quota approach to diversity makes that impossible.

Romney hires the best and GETS RESULTS. He turned around Bain Capital, the Olympics and Massachusetts. I doubt Romney looks down a list and starts with the promotion of diversity. I also KNOW Romney would never not hire the best person for the job because they are a minority. Romney is a winner who GETS RESULTS AND TURNS THINGS AROUND. He is not going to pass up a talent if they are not white...really to assume anything else is just ridiculous.

Your talk about "institutional racism' in religious groups is myopic and fully lacking any sense of history or biblical doctrine. For inexplicable reasons, God told Moses to let ONLY the tribe of Levi hold the Priesthood. This tradition continued throughout the old testament to Jesus day. In fact, some of the old testament prophets and kings favored the Zadock family line for the Priesthood. So your argument that this practice is racist is also with Moses and God, not the Mormon church, and certainly not Romney. When the LDS Church reversed course based on revelation, Romney pulled over and wept for joy. His response was not unique, it was a time of great rejoicing.

As far as posts who have indicated Romney has changed positions are being intellectually lazy or dishonest. If you look at the front and back of his flyer from his first senate race 20 years ago against Kennedy, the only political position change is abortion. The flip flop template is just plain wrong. Just because you keep reading it in liberal blogs and the DNC website doesn't make it true.

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» Justifying racists policies Posted by: xconservative
» RE: Justifying racists policies Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: Convenient Posted by: xconservative
» RE: Convenient Posted by: poppop_schell
» Stop with the lies..... Posted by: ekipnrut
» RE: Stop with the lies..... Posted by: poppop_schell
» EPINUT: ARE YOU ONE OF TE 144,000? Posted by: poppop_schell
HUGHSCOTT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 24, 2007 8:23 AM   
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Mr. Scott, please conduct your arguments with YOUR OWN comments, not mine. No response necessary. Thanks, ANNA

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Some legitimate questions for any Mormon running for office
Posted by: xconservative on May 24, 2007 10:04 AM   
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1. How do you agree that your church's pre-1978 ban on Blacks entering the priesthood was wrong?
2. Do you try to justify the ban as simply being a product of the times that LDS church leaders lived in?
3. Do you agree with LDS beliefs that dark skin is a result of the "curse of Cain"?
4. Do you agree with LDS beliefs that being born Black is the result of lack of valor in a previous existence?
5. Do you agree with your Church's stance on interracial marriage, past and present?
6. To what extent will you allow your LDS beliefs to influence your policies while in office?

I don't believe that being a Mormon, or member of any other religion should prohibit one from holding office. But I also believe those are legitimate questions for anyone who belongs to a church with a blemished history on racial issues, such as the LDS Church. I would ask similar questions of anyone who is a Southern Baptist.

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Mormons are not racist!
Posted by: leongoodman on May 24, 2007 3:54 PM   
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I can't believe the racist hate against Mormons and the total misinformation that exists in this thread. It is almost diabolical.

Mormons are not racist. I have been a member for over 60 years and have observed far more racism from the non-Mormon community than from within. We had been told from the time I was very young that the situation would change after certain things were settled. Then the Watts riots happened and there was a cooling down and then in 1978 the word went out and the members of the Church rejoiced. Even Edridge Cleaver, one of the founders of the Black Panthers joined the Church.

If you want to know the truth check out the link:

Black Mormons

If you will go to friendly information sources you will find out that Mitt is the real thing and would make a terrific President.

Avoid these nattering nabobs of negativity!

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» RE: Mormons are not racist! Posted by: poppop_schell
Save Diversity! Toss the Mormons!
Posted by: CheyennePress on May 24, 2007 10:17 PM   
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How amusing the hear a columnist so worried about diversity that he goes out of his way to bash Mormons in praise of blacks and Latinoes. But really, it's the Black Caucus that refeuses to allow whites to join. Really, it's only blacks and Latinoes who choose to balkanize themselves into little groups and call themselves the "black community," for instance. Ah, yes. All forms of diversity. Except Mormons. Typical hypocrisy.

I look back with some sadness at my childhood a few years ago. I grew up in a high school that was 60% black, 40% white. It was strangely the most highly funded public high school in our state due to a large corporation headquartered there. Most of the kids' parents worked for a factory, almost all of them earning comparable salaries. And yet, with the black kids, everything over and over again was an insult to them: "It's just cuz I'm black!" Crying wolf over and over again--a meaningless excuse that had a way of freezing others into silence. There were 2 blacks who finished in the top 10% of my school in a decade. That sort of community outlook, that balkanization, that sense of entitlement, that insistence to call one's self something different, created a society of failure.

And fail they consistently did. And they will until they embrace persona accountability. That goes for any race or community or creed. Mormons gained success through hard work--not some handout.

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RON PAUL is the man
Posted by: BeTrue on May 25, 2007 8:45 PM   
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America wake up! Vote for someone who will protect the constitution and that someone is RON PAUL. He won both debates. He is the real deal.

You don't hear much about him because the mainstream media don't want to talk about him. Instead, they focus their attention on these very unqualified candidates such as Romney, Guilliani, McCain and such. These candidates are own by the corporations who want to destroy America.

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Racist missionaries bring the ministry of 'child molestation' to the spiritually impoverished :O)
Posted by: ekipnrut on May 26, 2007 5:22 AM   
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Child abuse in Mormonism [PART l]
The following article from the New York Times clearly illustrates a recurring problem within the Mormon Church–child abuse. Child abuse is consistently higher in Utah than in the nation as a whole. It is a blight on Mormonism. Utah social workers have been quoted as being "blackly pessimistic" about the problem in their state.
All of this flies in the face of the projected image of Mormonism as a society which places the family at the highest level of its concern.
Of course Mormon authorities love children and want what's best for them. The failure of Mormonism stems from its hidebound structure. This is the religion of polygamy, patriarchy, and Blood Atonement. Such a culture simply doesn't have the ability to wave a wand of psychobabble over the Church and make everything right. Mormon social problems are systemic.
One of the worst areas of offense in Mormonism is uncovered in the following article. This story is repeated over and over again as the good old boys have their way with women and children in the ashes of Brigham Young's Mormonism
Sex Abuse Lawsuit Is Settled By Mormons for $3 Million
By Gustav Niebuhr
New York Times Sep. 5, 2001, A-14
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints disclosed yesterday that it would pay $3 million to settle a suit by an Oregon man who said he was sexually abused as a child by a church member. The suit said Mormon officials had known well in advance of that abuse that the accused man had also faced child molesting allegations before.
The case is unusual not only because the church disclosed the amount of the settlement, in advance of news conferences by the plaintiffs' lawyers today, but also because it centers on alleged abuse by a man who held no ministerial or leadership role. That man died in 1995.
In an interview, Von G. Keetch, a Salt Lake City lawyer representing the church, said it strongly believed that the case ''lacked merit'' and had settled only out of concern that the litigation, already a decade old, could continue for years more, at high cost.
Mr. Keetch said the decision was made after a number of rulings against the church by a county judge presiding over the case in Portland. Among the rulings were that the church could be held liable for the conduct of one member against another, and that the plaintiff could argue that the abuser was a clergyman because he held the title of high priest, which the church describes as a common lay designation.
The settlement follows by two weeks the disclosure of another settlement by a religious institution in a sexual abuse case. In that instance, two Roman Catholic dioceses in Southern California said they had paid $5.2 million to a man who maintained that as a high school student a decade ago, he was molested by a priest.
The Oregon suit was filed in December 1998 by a Portland man, Jeremiah Scott, who eventually sought $1.5 billion in damages from the church. He accused its authorities of withholding knowledge from his family that another member, Franklyn Curtis, had previously been accused of molesting children.
His lawyer, David Slader, said Mr. Scott was abused in 1991, the year he turned 11, after his mother invited Mr. Curtis to live with the family. Mr. Curtis, who was 88 and had been living in a group home, was a member of the same congregation as the Scotts.
Before bringing Mr. Curtis into her home, Mr. Slader said, Mrs. Scott sought advice from a local Mormon bishop, who advised the family against it because it would be too much work, but who did not inform them of the earlier accusations.

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» MATTHEW 7:6 Posted by: poppop_schell
CRACKPOT..CHILD MOLESTING... RACIST CULT...THE EVIDENCE
Posted by: ekipnrut on May 26, 2007 11:32 AM   
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IS OVERWHELMING....

MM
PREDATORS
Also just Google 'mormon predators' as an exact phrase....
open and shut...tip of the iceberg

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Women of Alternet: ORANGE ALERT STATUS: DIRTY OLD MEN..
Posted by: ekipnrut on May 27, 2007 8:42 AM   
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MAY ATTEMPT TO LURE YOU (AND YOU CHILDREN) INTO BED WITH DOBSON .PAT ROBERTSON AND ANN COULTER....
James Dobson is Very Likely to Endorse Cult Member Mormon Mitt Romney for President, but Won’t Admit it Yet!
by IndependentConservative @ 5:56 pm. Filed under Nuts on Parade
Notice that Dobson claims that the cross dresser will say anything to be elected. But of Mitt Romney, when speaking with Laura Ingraham he said
.....[A few lines of Dobson compliments to Romney candidacy].....
You got that? The cult member working in concert with his cult, who has said whatever to get elected his entire political career is “still on the list”. That means (to me) that Dobson will have his arm around Mitt Romney to lead this nation.
I’ve been telling you how many who claim the Christian faith have run to endorse Mitt Romney for President. Some where surprised when Pat Robertson hooked up with Romney . I told you Pat Robertson is a false prophet, so that didn’t surprise me one bit.
I was waiting to see what Dobson would do and I figured he would cave towards Romney slowly. That is exactly what he is doing. There you have it folks, all Conservative Christian voices with a mic are pulling for Mitt Romney. Never mind the cult and never mind the flip flopping. He’s got an “R” by his name and as usual, he says what sounds good. If some Conservative Christians attaching themselves to the Republican Party was a bad idea, then how much greater a mistake is it to advance a Mormon to lead it? I say a great mistake! Spreading the message of Jesus Christ is not about winning an election.

So you say how could there possibly be more stench of racist
sexist crackpot sewer gas emanating from the alliance with Rethug cult lair...What else could there be??? OOOOhhhhh Yeah:
Ann Coulter and Jay Sekulow sucking up to Mitt Romney at CPAC [All of this stuff is on YouTube video]
Ann claims the Christian faith and Jay is a Jews for Jesus member, who of course founded the ACLJ. Now let’s just say Ann is ignorant, making claims like “We’re all Christians!”. Which it total bull, because Mormonism is not Christianity, but some folks want to try and make you love Romney because it’s good for their political party. Usually Ann is a person who shows that she does her homework, but she needs some help with this one. Or she’s playing a role for her party. You be the judge.
Jay Sekulow has almost no excuse. I’m sure he went to Hebrew school as a child and was taught the facts about Jewish migration, which he noticed actually are supported in the Bible. In his college years, he realized that Jesus really is Lord and the promised Messiah. Given Jay received a far more in-depth education about the Holy Lands than most Christians, he knows the crap in Mormonism is not true. I’d like to see him watch The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon and offer comment. Also I’d like him to check out the DNA analysis and the talk from Mormons that Jews migrated to the Americas way before somebody like Columbus knew about the place. It’s a total bastardization of Jewish history, to claim that a supposedly Jewish priest was established in the Americas who was not of the Levitical priesthood.
Folks, this is the real inconvenient truth and it’s sad to see who is falling for the lie.

BTW...when cleaning canine feces off a garden spade... I use whatever hose is available. As for the 'jewish' issues raised...
Ohhhh..I'll leave that alone. Like I've been saying:A RACIST ,CRACKPOT,CHILD MOLESTING..NOW OPENLY KNOWN AS SEXIST, RETHUG/FASCIST ALLIED CULT..WHO BELIEVE THE
CONSTITUTION WAS 'DIVINELY INSPIRED'.... QED
:O)

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» MATTHEW 7:6 Posted by: poppop_schell
Latinas?
Posted by: DeltaDawn on May 29, 2007 1:33 PM   
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or do you mean LATINOS? if not you're referring only to females.
I'm a LATINA and have never received preferential treatment anywhere, just for your information. Everywhere I worked I'd to double qualify.
So please don't so cavalierly and hatefully paint everyone with the same brush. I've been discriminated based on my national origin by people who never completed or started to study toward a degree.
I've several strokes against me just by listing "Not U.S. born, though U.S. citizen" being a female, and now being over 50. So unless you walk a mile in my shoes don't so glibly dismiss people as getting "Something for nothing" as you're doing.

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NO, no tacit acceptance of inferiority
Posted by: DeltaDawn on May 29, 2007 1:41 PM   
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just a point of two in your favor when the odds are 100 to none.
In case you ignore this, let me tell you that minorities are being used in turn by employers in order to lure customers or to declare "See, we're not prejudiced here..." or to translate for nothing. Somehow the monolingual American feels that those speaking a foreign language have the obligation to translate for him. What Chutzpah, then they ask and wonder "Why do they hate us so?"

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