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The Making of an American Soldier: Why Young People Join the Military

By Jorge Mariscal, Sojourners. Posted June 26, 2007.


George Bush likes to say it's because they're patriots, but the truth may have more to do with financial need and recruiters targeting those with limited economic options.
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In today's political climate, with two wars being fought with no end in sight, it can be difficult for some people to understand why young folks enlist in our military.

The conservative claim that most youth enlist due to patriotism and the desire to "serve one's country" is misleading. The Pentagon's own surveys show that something vague and abstract called "duty to country" motivates only a portion of enlistees.

The vast majority of young people wind up in the military for different reasons, ranging from economic pressure to the desire to escape a dead-end situation at home to the promise of citizenship.

Over all, disenfranchisement may be one of the most accurate words for why some youth enlist.

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When mandatory military service ended in 1973, the volunteer military was born. By the early 1980s, the term "poverty draft" had gained currency to connote the belief that the enlisted ranks of the military were made up of young people with limited economic opportunities.

Today, military recruiters react angrily to the term "poverty draft." They parse terms in order to argue that "the poor" are not good recruiting material because they lack the necessary education. Any inference that those currently serving do so because they have few other options is met with a sharp rebuke, as Sen. John Kerry learned last November when he seemed to tell a group of college students they could either work hard in school or "get stuck in Iraq."

President Bush led the bipartisan charge against Kerry: "The men and women who serve in our all-volunteer armed forces are plenty smart and are serving because they are patriots -- and Sen. Kerry owes them an apology."

In reality, Kerry's "botched joke" -- Kerry said he was talking about President Bush and not the troops -- contained a kernel of truth. It is not so much that one either studies hard or winds up in Iraq but rather that many U.S. troops enlist because access to higher education is closed off to them. Although they may be "plenty smart," financial hardship drives many to view the military's promise of money for college as their only hope to study beyond high school.

Recruiters may not explicitly target "the poor," but there is mounting evidence that they target those whose career options are severely limited. According to a 2007 Associated Press analysis, "nearly three-fourths of [U.S. troops] killed in Iraq came from towns where the per capita income was below the national average. More than half came from towns where the percentage of people living in poverty topped the national average."

It perhaps should come as no surprise that the Army GED Plus Enlistment Program, in which applicants without high school diplomas are allowed to enlist while they complete a high school equivalency certificate, is focused on inner-city areas.

When working-class youth make it to their local community college, they often encounter military recruiters working hard to discourage them. "You're not going anywhere here," recruiters say. "This place is a dead end. I can offer you more." Pentagon-sponsored studies -- such as the RAND Corporation's "Recruiting Youth in the College Market: Current Practices and Future Policy Options" -- speak openly about college as the recruiter's number one competitor for the youth market.

Add in race as a supplemental factor for how class determines the propensity to enlist and you begin to understand why communities of color believe military recruiters disproportionately target their children. Recruiters swear they don't target by race. But the millions of Pentagon dollars spent on special recruiting campaigns for Latino and African-American youth contradicts their claim.

According to an Army Web site, the goal of the "Hispanic H2 Tour" was to "Build confidence, trust, and preference of the Army within the Hispanic community." The "Takin' it to the Streets Tour" was designed to accelerate recruitment in the African-American community where recruiters are particularly hard-pressed and faced with declining interest in the military as a career. In short, the nexus between class, race, and the "volunteer armed forces" is an unavoidable fact.

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Not all recruits, of course, are driven by financial need. In working-class communities of every color, there are often long-standing traditions of military service and links between service and privileged forms of masculinity. For communities often marked as "foreign," such as Latinos and Asians, there is pressure to serve in order to prove that one is "American." For recent immigrants, there is the lure of gaining legal resident status or citizenship.

Economic pressure, however, is an undeniable motivation -- yet to assert that fact in public often leads to confrontations with conservatives who ask, "How dare you question our troops' patriotism?"

But any simplistic understanding of "patriotism" does not begin to capture the myriad of subjective motivations that often coexist alongside economic motives. Altruism -- or as youth often put it, "I want to make a difference" -- is also a major reason a significant number of people enlist.


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Jorge Mariscal is the grandson of Mexican immigrants and the son of a U.S. Marine who fought in World War II. He served in the U.S. Army in Vietnam and currently teaches at the University of California, San Diego.

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Posted by: gellero on Jun 26, 2007 12:36 AM   
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Another one of these articles??? Is this the rerun season?? Sheeesh.............

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Now, now, children...
Posted by: pcushniesr on Jun 26, 2007 5:25 AM   
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... fight nicely.

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Name a single NGO or leftwing organisation that offers long-term, life-changing career ...
Posted by: Bobsays on Jun 26, 2007 1:10 AM   
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Opportunities for poor people? Well, I'm waiting - guess you can't because there aren't any. And that is why the military is still the best option, still goes further than any other organisation, is an amazing start to any young person's life, builds character and skills, and I would highly recommend.

Critics always focus on combat, frontline roles. But in fact the number of troops exposed to these dangers is small. Most roles are in the back-up area supporting frontline troops. If you don't want to be a combat soldier, or feel it isn't for you, then you do not have to do that role.

This is a big difference to Vietnam, when the draft pulled youth into the Marines and a combat role.

I wish the left and NGOs would spend a little less time attacking the military's admirable work in giving opportunity to those whom society does not, and more time asking itself hard questions as to why progressives are the last people to really offer a poor, fit kid in the ghetto a way forward in life.

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» But I thought the military was bad? Posted by: White middleclass male
» Historically Incorrect Posted by: gellero
» Your numbers are dubious Posted by: ateo
» Where were you in 2000? Posted by: sausage
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» So Bush is ligit???? Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: So Bush is legit??? Nope Posted by: lessbread
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Democratic Soldiers and Cancelled Votes
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 26, 2007 2:32 AM   
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Any African American soldier from a so-called "swing state" should lay down his or her arms and tell George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney to go fuck themselves. For more on that subject, please read my posting last week:

BLACK SOLDIERS BETRAYED

Cheers!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» Tom, you're slipping.. Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Tom, you're slipping.. Posted by: robchapman
War is the grandest and most aggrandized form of torture
Posted by: Rune on Jun 26, 2007 3:44 AM   
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Torture is the infliction of pain, suffering and dear of death as means of coercing, punishing, and utterly demoralizing another human being. War is the same thing, it is just carried out more visibly and in greater numbers. We dress it up, make it seem like and honor, even call those who choose to be professional warriors "heroes." But when you get right down to it, going to war is all about torturing and being tortured--simultaneously if it's really a war rather than a slaughter.

Abu Ghraib? Rape? Murder? Do these really stand out as unusual or unexpected as war and its fear and pain drag on? Aren't we just ignoring the day to day reality of war when we allow ourselves to be shocked by such conduct once the bombing, shooting, threatening, starving, and mutilating begins?

Of course, we fool ourselves. But worse, we fool our young and vulnerable into thinking the life of war, the life of mass torture, is somehow about heroism, freedom, and protecting families--which we can only do when we ignore the plight of families that were never in such hell as when "liberation" and "democracy" came calling with bombs and bullets rather than the brave acts of love and tolerance that are the real weapons against the terror we wish to subdue.

It's all torture all around, now. What's the use of pointing fingers? There are no good torturers any more than there are torturers or torturers' helpers who do not lose something precious and protective in order to play their roles in this miserable drama. It's a tragedy that only gets worse the longer we deny it, ignore it, or pretend that it is anything other than fundamentally awful, disgusting, and beneath the dignity of the humanity within us all.

Is it really so difficult to admit we have been been behaving very badly in or many misguided attempts at turning immoral situations into moral outcomes through immoral means? It it really easier to accommodate our families and neighbors as they continue on this path than it is to confront them with the truth and stop them? Apparently so. But don't tell me we are not all victims as well as victimizers in our own ways when we do.

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Armies in history
Posted by: Eòghann on Jun 26, 2007 4:38 AM   
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I'm not really sure why this seems surprising. It has been the case for many centuries. During the American Revolution (or rebellion from the English point of view), a disproportionate number of soldiers from the British Isles were Scottish Highlanders--terribly disadvantaged by English policy in Scotland. They were considered to be a different race and expendable. I expect that a look at many wars will reveal the same demographics of soldiers. Many American soldiers in the Revolution were poor farmers.

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THIS COMBAT VETERAN SAYS WELL DUHHHHHH...........
Posted by: kc10ken on Jun 26, 2007 5:16 AM   
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After 13 years time in service and 3 tours in the middle east I'm here to say I'm proud of my service and would reccomend joining to any young American.....just NOT right now while dumbya and ole "5 deferrment' Dick are in office.

Of course the poor and minorities are going to join the military....they have no other opportunity. I served with these guys for many years so I know them well. There are SOME who join for patriotism and some who join for college benefits (I joined for both and reenlisted 3 times in the Reserves). Then there are the LIFERS...the guys who would be working at McDonald's if it weren't for the military. I sure as hell didn't see any wealthy sons while I was in.....guess they had "other priorities"!!

I did have a few morals though...I refused to reenlist in 2003 when my tour was up because of dumbya's QUAGMIRE in Iraq. I want NO part of it...it's illegal/immoral and the worst mistake this country ever made.

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Solving the Military Recruitment Problem
Posted by: digitalzen on Jun 26, 2007 6:10 AM   
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There's a simple solution to the recruitment problem and the problem of unjust wars: reinstate the draft lottery, with no deferments except bona fide medical, and no National Guard cop-outs like Duhbya's. You serve, then you transfer to the Guard if you want to.

When the scions have to get their asses shot off along with the poor folks, the number of fights will decrease instantly.

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Patriotism not pay is the motivation for many
Posted by: robchapman on Jun 26, 2007 6:11 AM   
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I know a boy who took a $20,000 signing bonus from the Army. I am limiting my comment to this one individual because I know him and his circumstances well.

He has volunteered to serve as a military policeman for four years, so his bonus comes out to $5,000 per year, although it will be in a lump sum payment.

Many people will say, well he gets training and GI bill type benefits when he separates from the service.

This is true, but a guy sitting in the adjutant's office in Fort Benjamin Harrison at Indianapolis for three years gets the GI bill type benefits, too.

My friend will be trained and sent overseas and will undoubtedly serve as one of the rear guard troops in Iraq.

Should we ask young men like him to take on these missions without offering them bonuses?

We could and they would still sign up.

Whether or not one agrees with the moral rectitude of the war, one should support the honorable and brave young men who come forward in good faith to protect us.

In my opinion, the bonus is a mere token of respect for dangerous service and merely helps the recruiter get kids' attention.

We can support the troops even while opposing the war.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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The cowardly critics on AlterNet.
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 26, 2007 6:12 AM   
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People who hide behind AlterNet aliases and sling mud at the U.S. military are cowards, plain and simple. Most, I suspect, never wore the uniform much less saw combat.

They don’t have a clue about what real patriotism means. For certain, it doesn’t include smearing other Americans and hurling insults at them because their views are different.

Most pathetic to me, and ironic in the political sense, while many AlterNet critics consider themselves progressive, even liberal, they employ the same dishonest and divisive methods used by the Bush administration to sway public opinion.

For many AlterNet critics, it’s not only permissible to shoot down messengers instead of their messages, the tactic is their preferred weapon of choice when rebutting comments they don’t like.

Consider the personal attacks on David Petraeus posted recently on AlterNet.

Being a Vietnam veteran with a family history of honorable military service going back to 1776, I objected to the toilet-bowl characterizations, particularly by AlterNet contributor Howie Klein, who called the general a “disgrace to his uniform.”

Klein based his slurr on a remark made by Petraeus that Iraq was showing “signs of normalcy.” On a small scale, the assessment was correct. As I pointed out in my rebuttal, a popular recreation park in Baghdad called “Fun City” has never been struck by terrorists, homegrown or Al Qaeda.

Does that mean the troop surge is succeeding? Not for a minute and, to my knowledge, Petraeus never said so. Yet, like frenzied killer bees, AlterNet critics attacked him with vicious rhetoric that had no basis in fact, only their mean-spirited, unpatriotic bias.

Having honestly expressed my opinion, I will post it now on this thread and watch in amusement as a barrage of anonymous insults prove me right.

Hugh E. Scott, proud ex-USAF aviator, proud author of George Dub-ya Bush, THE PHONY FIGHT PILOT, and proud editor of the nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, which features 60 cartoons, photos and other Bushwhacking illustrations.

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patriots needed here
Posted by: fearless flower on Jun 26, 2007 6:22 AM   
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Instead of enlisting to "make a difference" I wish young people would see the need to attack the problem of corruption in our own government and work to reform it. If we don't put government back in the hands of "we the people", it won't matter how hard a young person works in school or at a job or at trying to be a "good" person. They are doomed to struggle financially all their life just to make ends meet, while corporations and the government thrive and grow more and more powerful and dangerous.

Ironically, going off to fight wars today is the most unpatriotic thing a person can do.

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What is America?
Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jun 26, 2007 6:42 AM   
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With talk about serving the country or defending America, it's key to understand WHAT America truly is...

Is it George Bush, or is it the government, or the military?

I would say no. America was founded on the principle of liberty, and that's what is enshrined in the Bill of Rights. But, there's less and less of THAT America left today...

Anyone joining the military at this stage is not fighting for their country - even if they think they are. They're fighting for a paycheck, revenge, an empire - or something else that would be repugnant to the America that the founders envisioned.

Maybe that's why recruitment goals keep getting lowered.....people are wising up to the fraud that is the America military.

So will they bring on a draft with the next war? I don't know, but I do oppose slavery, even if it's disguised as "serving one's country"........

Some follow up reading:

"War, Cannon Fodder and the Return of the Draft?" - click here

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» Oh, and another thing... Posted by: sausage
It's amazing how many in military are educated.......
Posted by: kbest on Jun 26, 2007 7:19 AM   
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All of us in this country owe so many in the military a great deal of thanks. Whether you like it or not, they are saving your ass. I personally know neighbors and relatives who are college educated, but chose the military to serve, protect and defend, yes even wacko liberals.

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» My ass is not in Iraq, Posted by: Ellie1
Militarism is not Patriotism
Posted by: apple pie on Jun 26, 2007 7:43 AM   
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The author of the article is making a point that children are being forced into the military because of economic issues. He also is making the point that militarism per se is not beneficial to the education of young people.

The reaction of a certain type of poster here on AlterNet is indicative of the one-dimensional thought patterns that pervade pro-militarist forces in America.

And that is the problem!

War itself has changed. The reasons why America fights war are now, more than ever, only about protecting economic interests and guaranteeing oppressive regimes, slave labor factories, no-strings-attached access to resources, and the continuation of a fascist plutocracy that is destroying America. War today has nothing to do with patriotism (or defense of the nation.)

Why so many Americans are willing to sacrifice, hell, even push, their children into modern warfare that will doom them to commiting war crimes, destablilizing and destroying consensual attempts at diplomacy and peace, decades of PTSD, homelessness, or possible death and dismemberment is a reflection of how this deep militarist brain-washing of our nation has become normalized. In fact, it seems the only thing America can still do as a group enitity, or as Andrew Bacevich sytated: "The US ...is becoming not just a militarized state but a military society: a country where armed power is the measure of national greatness, and war, or planning for war, is the exemplary (and only) common project."

Youth can be fooled to follow the leader...it is a game we are taught to play when we are very young. But having 'war' or 'military service' be the leader, for some obscure reason that is being mistranslated and then mainstreamed by certain reactionary elements within American society, is a tragedy. America's youth deserve more than this massive impoverishment of the soul.

People concerned about the teaching and marketing of war to youth are not the enemy. WAR IS THE ENEMY!

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OUR MILITARY HAD NEVER LET US DOWN
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 26, 2007 7:44 AM   
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The same cannot be said about the rest of us. While they agree to defend the Constitution and us, we in turn obligate ourselves to care for them. That includes housing, medical care for them and their families and recognition. All part of their compensation. It's not a one way street. Bush does not live up to his end of the agreement as Commander in Chief. He does not see his responsibilities to his military and doesn't require it of us. That's wrong. Thanks, ANNA

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so true, so true
Posted by: eosrk on Jun 26, 2007 7:58 AM   
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I was one of those whom was in a poverty-area, with the recruiting office just half a mile away. I went into the Navy becasue I had people that steered me into a "decent" military, casue I wanted to join the Marines, but later found out that the Marines is under the Navy, I was in engineering, and I learned the good, the bad, and the ugly of the Armed Forces, and I learned this; if there's no war to fight, the government tends to reduce the military, as per say, Bush sr, and Clinton did. Under the Bonehead president, the "Decider", he's caused so much instability in the middle east he can no longer contain it, and trying to start another war with Russia, China, and possibly North Korea before he leaves his shit for someone else to figure out.

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advertising manhood
Posted by: grn1 on Jun 26, 2007 8:28 AM   
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There is no reason to have an opinion other than the authors, all you have to do is look at the advertisements for the military. A farmer who probably needs his sons help is told that "You made him strong we'll make him army strong" Or how about the black youth explaining to his mother that it is time to become a man. Why has funding for youth centers in poor areas been cut off? Why are illegals told to recruit? Why have they raised the age limit and lowered the standards for recruits?

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» RE: advertising manhood Posted by: ateo
My experience and first impressions
Posted by: willymack on Jun 26, 2007 9:55 AM   
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When I was 5 years old, my mother took my 2-year old sister and me to her friend's house to get our pictures taken. This was in 1944, and WWII was still going on. The photographer was in the Navy, and as there was a war going on he was wearing his uniform. I immediately decided: "Oh yeah! That's for me! That's what I'm gonna be! I hadn't known there were actually people who wore the same getup that was on a Cracker Jack box. When I was old enough to decide my career path, I wanted to go into the Navy. I was made to wait until after my high school graduation to do so. My options were severly restricted as we were, to put it mildly, in an impecunious situation. I had three siblings by then, and I grew up hearing my parents discussing what bills they weren't going to pay so we could eat. I loved the Navy with all my heart and soul; it was like throwing a duck in a pond. I even enjoyed boot camp. I wore brand new clothes, had no medical or dental bills to worry about, ate all I wanted and got to wear that fabulous Cracker Jack uniform-until I got promoted to Chief Petty Officer, that is. One measure of the reality of military life is that one fine day While stationed at Pearl Harbor, I received a letter From the state of Washington stating that as I was the head of a family of five, I was elegible for food stamps, and, possibly, welfare as our income was below the poverty level. The letter came with the forms necessary to start the payment(s). Before then, I was on top of the world, doing a job I loved, and well regarded by all. I was insulted by the insinuation that I couldn't take care of myself and my family. After all, we had everything we wanted or needed, so how could we be considered poor? After some thought, the answer came to me. We lived within our means, didn't get into debt, and never wished for anything that was unobtainable (without a lot of pain, that is). I think the military is a good first job if you're well suited for it and are NOT COERCED into it. Needless to say, I never filled out the forms for food stamps or welfare. Maybe self reliance for our youngsters should be inculcated in our schools, and critical thinking as well.

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Careerbuilder and Monster.com advertise for recruitment.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 26, 2007 10:00 AM   
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That alone shows how desperate recruiting for useless wars has become.

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Who protects the constitution?
Posted by: drmflorida on Jun 26, 2007 10:00 AM   
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The US military defends American interests. They do what the president tells them to do. As recent history has demonstrated, if the president tells them to do something that violates the constitution, they do it.

Personally, I did not join the military. But when the constitutional and democratic process was subverted by Bush and the Supreme Court, I went with a couple hundred thousand other people of conscience to Washington DC on January 20, 2001 to try and stop the innauguration. We failed. Partially because the US military stopped us.

The US military has done some good things (like helping to desegregate schools) and some horrible things. Our troops are not defacto heroes by virtue of signing up. It diminishes the contributions of those soldiers who have done something commendable when you say that all of them are heroes, all of them are patriots, all of them are smart, etc. It also is an insult to democratic society to say that all of those who didn't join the military or object to militarism are cowards and ingrates. Civilians defend freedom every day.

Stop with this lie that we (civil libertarian rabble-rousers and dissidents) sit on our asses while the US military defends our freedom or the constitution. They do what the President says, no more and no less. Those of us with a democratic conscience who object, even when it is unpopular or unseemly (like on Sept 12, 2001), we are the ones who defend freedom. And the minute that we stop, that is when freedom will die.

And those of you who joined the military and expect us to line up and give free blowjobs for your mistake, let me be clear. The line does not start here.

Angry militarist responses may now commence.

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Rural Nebraska---the way it is
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 26, 2007 10:55 AM   
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I live in rural Nebraska. I don't know how many readers or commentors on Alternet live in typical rural America, but you can believe me that things are pretty bad out here. I have talked to kids from my local high school who are about to graduate, and they are scared and confused. And I can sympathize with them. There are no decent jobs around here, and those that do exist are at poverty wage levels. The largest local employer in my community is the the local factory hog megafarm. There used to be decent middle class jobs at the packing plants in the area, but cheap immigration has put the kabosh on that.

According to the recent census, the largest growing segment of the population in my town and the other little towns around here are--get this--single/widowed women over 80. Not exactly the greatest path to an economic boon.

Then the military recruiter shows up during your last semester in high school. Man---what he has to say and promises sounds terrific, so you sign up.

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The military (lack of) leadership is the real problem...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 26, 2007 12:34 PM   
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However, if the US government and the US military had honest, moral leadership there would have been no occupation of Iraq.

Even if one accepts the Republican argument that 'we needed to get rid of Saddam' (which is nonsense - there are many dictators that are just as bad as Saddam, but who are supported by the US), all the troops should have left the moment he was captured.

There is only one reason to stay in Iraq, and that's to gain control of the largest remaining oil reservoir on the planet. That's the plan that Gates and Petraeus and the new face of the occupation are still following. The policy is the same one that Rumsfeld would have followed, just with new faces attached.

Obviously, the military has been abused by private interests for their own financial benefit - and the generals who still follow Bush's orders (like Petraeus) are just as guilty as Bush and Cheney. Some serious changes are needed in military policy, such as:

1) The National Guard should not be allowed to serve overseas. People who join the Guard usually have jobs and families, and their reasons for joining the Guard are generally to serve their local communities, not to go on foreign adventures for the benefit of oil billionaires. If the Guard had been Louisiana after Katrina, thousands of lives could have been saved.

2) This article is mostly about entry level grunts in the armed services: Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy. Essentially all standards for entry have been relaxed in order to meet the need for warm bodies. High-school dropouts, felons, and illegal immigrants are now A-OK. This results in a fair number of unstable people being handed rifles and ammunition with very little oversight.

3) And what about the officer class? Here we seem to have entrenched corruption in the upper ranks of the military, thanks to the revolving door that swaps lobbyists, generals, and the CEOs and board members of arms manufacturers. The honest, uncorruptable officers (like Taguba, for example) seem to get shunted aside or fired. The mid-rank officers are all probably under great pressure to keep appearances up. How many US military officers are willing to tell the real truth, on the record: that the war was all about capturing Iraqi oilfields?

It's all about the oil, but the military has been ordered to keep their mouths shut about that basic fact.

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» Appearances? Oh yes... Posted by: ateo
Trading on the economic & social DESPERATION
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 26, 2007 1:26 PM   
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poor?
under-educated?
located in a bad economy?


Hell! you don't need HealthCare, or even education...

'cuz if you roll the Dice of Youth, you *know* what you can do with that great sign-up bonus... a sharp car & wardrobe is an *investment*, right?

you got EDEEKATED with America's Army!
you're GIFTED. You'll be FINE, kid... You've got REAL skillz!

whoooHOOOO! imagine how much fun you'll have being posted to SouthEast Asia or Europe! The War is almost over, don't you worry about what happens after Basic Training...

training is for Real Men & Women... are YOU??

All those friends your age who are off doing Education or Training... you'll be doing REAL LIFE!


Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!


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As a veteran of OEF/OIF here's my take
Posted by: ateo on Jun 26, 2007 2:07 PM   
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The vast majority of the enlisted I served with did indeed come from "economically disadvantaged" (poor) backgrounds. You don't meet too many kids from Fairfax or Loudon Counties Virginia, San Jose, etc.. The military loves to point out how there is a disproportionate amount of minorities in the military than in the country as a whole as if that is a good example of diversity/opportunity for minorities. In reality 1 in 4 black children live below the poverty line so it's little wonder many of them end up in the military. Girls who grew up in foster homes, girls fleeing abusive boyfriends/fathers, farm boys from the Mid-West, kids from the worst slums of D.C./Detroit/Chicago/etc. That's who I served with in the Air Force. I can only imagine it's worse in the Army where the standards are lower regarding criminal background and aptitude test scores.

There were exceptions. The kid whose grandparents bought him a new car when he turned 16 and offered to pay his way through college. The spoiled girl from an upper middle class family trying to escape an overbearing father. These are extreme exceptions, they were usually miserable, and most of the people who enlisted for economic reasons thought people who enlisted for virtually any other reason were idiots. Most of the officers on the other hand come from the types of places you'd expect college educated people to come from and the vast majority of them are white males. I never saw a fighter pilot that wasn't a white male. Why, it's a regular country club/frat environment.

I joined the military to make some money and obtain the resources to finish my education (my A.A. from a community college intended for transfer to a 4 year state school did indeed "lead to nowhere"). In many ways I think I was destined to end up in the military. I grew up dirt poor on welfare living in government housing with a single mother. My best friend as a child never lived to see his 21st birthday - dead in a drug deal gone wrong.

The military represents a way out, a way to something better. "Something better" in this case means anything from vague notions of finishing college to government employment to making "the big money" working for a defense contractor. Taking the bus to a minimum wage job represents nothing, a way to tread water at best. I was an honor student passing A.P. exams in 10th grade that made the senior valedictorian (female) break down in tears during the test. In any other Western country I'd have been educated for free and returned that investment by being a productive member of society for 40 or 50 years. Not in America. Human beings are the most worthless commodity in the U.S. and human capital and potential means nothing - after all, why care about your own people when there are 6 billion more on the planet from which to draw your human resources? (Hello H-1B workers).

So I take every opportunity granted me to screw the system to my advantage and I'll be leaving the U.S. permanently in a few short years (I just need to expand my IT skills/experience a bit and save up a bit more money). No big loss, there are plenty of H-1B workers being brought into the country to replace me (which is going to happen whether I choose to leave or not).

This country never did anything for me and I could never stomach the thought of trying to raise a family here. That's just what America needs, more uneducated kids with no health care for Uncle Sam to send straight to the meat grinder wherever our aggressive wars of conquest take us 19 years from now.

Those of us who joined the first time around may have been caught by the "poverty draft" but those who stay in the U.S. and have children here will be caught by the "stupidity draft" when their children are dying in our next war so our corporate masters can see their investments grow by a few percentage points.

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White kids and GEDs
Posted by: gclef88 on Jun 26, 2007 2:32 PM   
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I am the grandfather of an 18 yearold BOY who before he enlisted in the USCG, he dropped out of high school before the 10th grade! He got his GED and then tried to go to a Junior College and flunked out. He scored in the lower percentile of the ASFAB and is only qualified to do low skill jobs. This is a growing trend among white middle class kids who can't get a decent education for various reasons. John Kennedy once said that if a man couldn't make it in the military, he was setting himself up for the unemployment rolls, just to paraphrase. As far as African-American and Latinos, the opportunities are even less. Ever think about the fact that the Government in its zest for war, is setting up the military to eventually side with the people someday? At the beginning on the Bolschevik Revolution, the party oredered revolutionaries to join the army! The point is that history does and will repeat itself! No one country or culture is immuned to the mistakes of history! Education is the real revolution and the greast equalizer of the masses!

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» RE: White kids and GEDs Posted by: ateo
Making A Better Choice
Posted by: sofla100 on Jun 26, 2007 5:22 PM   
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In 1935, under FDR, the WPA was created and tens of thousands of Americans were put to work during the Great Depression. It was a salary, meals, and a place to sleep. Way better than being homeless. Roads and dams were built, forests cleared, debris removed. Even today, evidence of this progress is still with us, witness many of the older dams in the American Northeast. Today, what a change. It is joining the military that is the "make works program." What has not changed however is the alternatives facing many of America's young people. The choices are virtually the same, but today it is the military or Wal-Mart's/fast food depot (for work) and still, however, likely being homeless, as nobody can feed themselves on the latter choices, let alone a family.

Now, is the military good or bad? That is not the question. I am sure their are many fine soldiers, and I was one myself once. But, the problem is what is the mission now? An oath is taken to defend the constitution and orders are given by a President who violates it. The wars being fought are not noble causes in self-defense, but half-ass, jackass military operations for "strategic objectives." The soldiers, marines, airmen, Coast Guardsmen, are not even given proper equipment. And, there ultimate boss never even served, except in the Texas Air Guard, where he never even bothered to show up. We need to return to the days of the WPA and let's employ tens of thousands of young people. But, not for the disgraceful reasons they are employed today. But, to rebuild America, and as we all know, there is much work to be done.

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» RE: Making A Better Choice Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah
» RE: Making A Better Choice Posted by: armybrat8
The Making of a Civilian, Why some people don't enlist in the armed forces.
Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah on Jun 26, 2007 7:17 PM   
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(1) Mental Illness -- you can't enlist if your taking meds for mental illness. The military requires sound mind due to the stressful and demanding working conditions.

(2) Homosexuality -- you can't enlist if you like having men put their "junk" in your backside or vice versa. (Makes the boys nervous in the shower or foxhole)

(3) Lack of Education -- you can't enlist if you don't have a high school diploma or GED (the military requires 18-20 year olds to operate and maintain sophisicated cutting edge technology/equipment under stressful conditions)

(4) Criminal Record -- generally you can't enlist if you are a felon although some with demonstrated remorse and rehabilitation can enter. Nobody can challenge the professionalism with which our troops have conducted themselves in recent campaigns under highly stressful conditions.

(5) Physically Weak -- THe military operates under highly stressful mental and physical conditions, only the physically fit need apply.

(6) Unpatriotic -- A few Americans shirk military service because they hate the US and what it stands for (free markets, democracy, and pluralism)

(7) Cowardice -- Lets face it. A few Americans reject military service because they are afraid. Military service is not for the faint at heart.

(8) Elitism-- Basically anyone we has an education or opportunity provided for them without the need for one of the military's biggest selling points: A relatively free education.

(9) Drug addiction -- You can't enlist in the military if you are taking illicit drugs at the time of enlistment or you have a demostrated inability to resist drug addiction.

(10) Pacifist -- You can't enlist in the military if you have an aversion to killing brutal, unyeilding religious fanatics who want to kill innocent civilians by the tens of thousands.

In summary, if you can't or don't want to join the military, you can enroll at your local college: take 6 years to get a degree in "why there is air", get drunk, get laid (with both men, women, or any combination thereof), and trash talk the war thereby giving vital aid and comfort to a brutal enemy, and claim "you support the troops" while patronizing them in private.

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action speaks louder than words
Posted by: unity1 on Jun 26, 2007 9:28 PM   
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I wonder who this kid is then - just a dumb arse red neck patriot a stupid dumb arse who got sold the lie hook line and sinker or just some ordinary american boy

http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/1734/48/

this is real life action hero stuff - the US congress would be way proud of this lad

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YOU ARE ALL FUCKING RETARDED
Posted by: Mojoe on Jun 27, 2007 12:03 AM   
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k.thx.bye

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War and Killing
Posted by: mistery509 on Jun 27, 2007 12:24 AM   
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What happened to the Sixth Commandment?

THOU SHALT NOT KILL

Do we believe in God and His Commandments?
Are there any Christian People left in this world?
Are we all hypocrites?

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» Without god everything is permitted. – Dostoevsky Posted by: White middleclass male
» RE: War and Killing Posted by: mistery509
What the Left really thinks about our troops and those that support them, in their own words!!!
Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah on Jun 27, 2007 12:47 PM   
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This quote speaks volumes about what many democrats/socialists/liberals think about our troops and those that support them.

You prove the case that people of low intelligence often end up conservatives and/or in the military.--vannaLaRoche

Not only was VannaLaRoche's crude generalization bigot and offensive, it was wrong.

Comprehensive study shows those in military are a cut above civilians in most demographics

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A remembrance of songs past...
Posted by: lessbread on Jun 27, 2007 2:10 PM   
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Some folks inherit star spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war, lord,
And when you ask them, how much should we give?
Ooh, they only answer more! more! more! yoh,

It aint me, it aint me, I aint no military son, son.
It aint me, it aint me; I aint no fortunate one, one.

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multiple reasons
Posted by: deang on Jun 27, 2007 2:35 PM   
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With our society as saturated by military propaganda as it has been since the country was Reaganized in the 1980s, Americans' perceptions of their life options are manipulated and consequently very limited.

Increasingly since 9/11/01, surveys have shown that a wide range of economic groups make up the US military; it's no longer just a "poverty draft," though that is the situation for some. Again, a lot of it is that modern Americans' minds are drenched in kick-ass pro-military, pro-cop, pro-swagger propaganda, compounded by media and entertainment that glorify ultraviolence and domination.

Many people who join the US military do so to get to travel. If they lived in Cuba and had a similar desire to travel, an obvious choice for them would be to train to be one of Cuba's renowned international doctors, who are sent to troubled areas of the world to cure, rather than kill, people. That option is not available in the US. If it were, who knows how different Americans' lives might be? And there would certainly be a lot more people still alive in the world today if the US had gone that direction instead of the direction of military aggression.

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» RE: multiple reasons Posted by: armybrat8
The poor...
Posted by: opeluboy on Jun 27, 2007 3:58 PM   
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... have always been cannon fodder. This is nothing new.

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Military Service
Posted by: rdsanchez1966 on Jun 27, 2007 4:31 PM   
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I am not a veteran. It is not my place to say if a young person should or should not join the military at this point in time or not. I do believe that before a young person decides to join the military they should research the potential consequences of their choice.

I recommed that they read the book "10 Excellent Reasons Not to Join The Military" by Elizabeth Weill Greenberg, published by The New Press.

Also please have them go to www.beforeyouenlist.org. The message is not "Don't Enlist" but rather know what you are getting into. To have your high school student taken off the Pentagon data base please go to www.themmob.org.

Any nation or people that is unwilling to pay more in taxes to fund this uneeded war should not expect our most marginalized young citizens to give their lives to support a neocon agenda. How can one expect someone to give up their lives if one isn't willing to give up their tax break or SUV.

Peace out.

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10 reasons to join the military.
Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah on Jun 27, 2007 9:47 PM   
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(1) Quality education at a ridiculously low cost while in the military and funding when you are discharged.

(2) Quality job training and experience that is second to none

(3) life experiences that you will never encounter in civilian life. Note the potential for both extreme negative and positive life experiences, yet you share them with like minded band of brothers who are the best "support group" known to man. If you encounter two or more vets, you will undoubtedly be subjected to many hours of valued and striking recollections and experiences from past military service.

(4) teamwork, it sounds corny yet anyone who has played team sports can appreciate the benefits of being part of a team dedicated to excellence under demanding conditions.

(5) challenging -- if you want it to be. In truth, many jobs in the military are just like many in civilian government -- not much to do, with little or no accountablity. Yet, if your a hard charger you can volunteer for challenging assignments and jobs commensurate with your goals.

(6) Travel you cant beat the military for see new and different places globally. Any private can jump on a "hop" virtually anywhere in the world for $10 (cost when I was in many moons ago -- perhaps inflation has bumped this up a bit). In fact, I prefered traveling on C-130's sleeping comfortably in a hammock to the hum of the prop engines.

(7) SPorts and entertainment military bases rock if you are active in sports or virtually any other form of entertainment, leisure, or athletics. Most of the activities are free and conveniently located and scheduled.

(8) Free Medical It is ironic that the left is always railing about the inadequate treatment provided by the military when this is a small scale prototype of what a nationalized health care system will look like. Nonetheless, it is free -- an contrary to the nonsense spewed by the Left, the military actually wants a healthy trooper for both humanitarian reasons and mission requirements.

(9) patriotism Leftist argue that patriotism is an "illness" confined to stupid weak-willed lemmings. In truth, you will rarely encounter stupidity or weakness on military bases. Those serving have a sober and realistic appraisal of our nation's aspirations and past history. We know the USA is not perfect, yet we are compelled to defend it since it is our home and our duty. By the very act of serving, those in the military see first hand to lies the Left has disseminated about the military and America in general -- that is why the overwhelming majority of those in the military are patriotic conservative/libertarian Americans.

(10) leadership never in the civilian world will a 19 or 20 year old be given as much responsibility as in the military. THe downside is that many times this "growth" is deabilitating for even the strongest physically and emotionally. In times of conflict there is no parallel for the stresses and demands inflicted upon those in uniform -- Every death in Iraq or Afghanistan whether from enemy fire or by those in support who die in "accidents" should be considered combat deaths since those in support operate with a frenzied and reckless pace to support their brethern grunts.

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» RE: 10 reasons to join the military. Posted by: rdsanchez1966
» RE: 10 reasons to join the military. Posted by: Jak_dah_rippah
The Message Is Getting Out
Posted by: rdsanchez1966 on Jun 28, 2007 4:34 PM   
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Please read this AP article:

A third fewer blacks joining military

Youths encouraged to avoid service
Associated Press
June 25, 2007
WASHINGTON -- The number of blacks joining the military has plunged by more than one-third since the Afghanistan and Iraq wars began. Other job prospects are soaring, and relatives of potential recruits increasingly are discouraging them from joining the armed services.
The decline covers all four military services for active-duty recruits, according to data obtained by the Associated Press. The drop is even more drastic when National Guard and Reserve recruiting is included.

The findings reflect the growing unpopularity of the wars, particularly among family members and adults who exert influence over high school and college students considering the military as a place to serve their country, further their education or build a career.

Walking past the Army recruiting station in downtown Washington last week, Sean Glover said he has done all he can to talk relatives out of joining the military.

"There's other ways you can pay for college," said Glover, 36. "There's other ways you can get your life together. Joining the Army, the military, comes at a very high price."

The message comes as no surprise to the Pentagon. At the Defense Department, efforts are under way to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps so the country can better wage what the military believes will be a long battle against terrorism.

"The global war on terror has taken its toll, no question," said Curt Gilroy, the Pentagon's director of accession policy.

Marine Commandant Gen. James T. Conway agreed that the bloodshed in Iraq - where more than 3,540 U.S. troops have died - is the biggest deterrent for prospective recruits.

"The daily death toll that comes out is, I think, causing people who are the influencers of young men and women in America to take a second look," he said.

According to Pentagon data, there were nearly 51,500 new black recruits for active duty and reserves in 2001. That number fell to less than 32,000 in 2006, a 38 percent decline.

When only active-duty troops are counted, the number of black recruits went from more than 31,000 in 2002 to about 23,600 in 2006, almost one-quarter fewer.

The decline is particularly stark for the Army. Blacks represented about 23 percent of the active Army's enlisted recruits in 2000, but 12.4 percent in 2006.

The decline in black recruits overall has been offset partly by an increase in Hispanic recruits and those who classify themselves as other races or nationalities.

The active-duty services largely have met recruiting targets in the past two years, while the Army, Army National Guard and Air National Guard fell short of their goals last month.

Sgt. Terry Wright, an Army recruiter in Tampa, Fla., said young people in the black community have more education and job opportunities now than when he joined the service 14 years ago.

"I go to high schools every day, and for the most part it strikes me how many of them are serious about going to college," said Wright, 32.

Gilroy, the Pentagon official, said the growing dissatisfaction with the war among black political and community leaders, as well as parents and teachers, is a major factor, too.

"Some have argued that, because of the makeup of African-American families and the relatively more significant roles [the families] play, moms have a greater influence on their families," Gilroy said. "And we know that moms, in general, do not support the war."


Between Bush's lies, mounting death tolls, recruiter over blown promises, & the fact that black Americans are at the bottom rung of society is this suprising?

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Patriotic people...
Posted by: mountainmama on Jun 29, 2007 6:42 PM   
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Bush knows damn well the reason many are joining the military...and he wants it that way. He knows it's financial reasons and he is and has been working to create a system where there are only the rich and the poor....that's one thing he is damn good at!

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Admirable SilverCross
Posted by: SilverCross on Jul 7, 2007 4:18 PM   
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I think one way to pay back the people who have served and those that have supported this war is to extend the time for the GIBILL to be used.

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