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Don't Buy The Hype: Big Pharma Targets Women For Drugs They Don't Need
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The pharmaceutical industry spent much of its $4.2 billion direct-to-consumer advertising budget in 2005 on ads targeting healthy upper-income, middle-aged people. A common underlying message was this: you appear to be healthy, but a deadly heart attack, hip fracture, or other medical catastrophe could occur at any time. Therefore, you should take a prescription drug to prevent such problems.
For example, a long-running Merck ad featured an older woman with this message: "See how beautiful 60 can look? See how invisible osteoporosis can be?" and recommended that women ask their doctors about bone density screening. As a result, many women started taking Merck's drug Fosamax, even though the benefit may not outweigh the harm.
With such direct-to-consumer ad campaigns, which highlight risk factors and promote screening tests, drug companies move beyond promoting certain pills for treatment of diagnosed conditions to expanding their use in healthy people. And selling prevention through prescription drugs certainly does fill pharmaceutical industry coffers. Healthy people, preferably in early middle age, who can be persuaded to take a drug daily for the rest of their lives, are clearly the industry's most desirable customer base. But as a category, these people who are at low risk of having the problem the drug is meant to treat may still suffer a serious adverse reaction.
For example, Fosamax cuts the risk of hip fracture from 2 percent to 1 percent, but that small benefit may not be worth the 1.5 percent risk of suffering an esophageal ulcer. In addition, in a small percentage of women using Fosamax over the long term, the jawbone will start to crumble. And some research now suggests that the type of new bone created by Fosamax is more brittle and more prone to fracturing over time.
The over-selling of postmenopausal hormones, supported by the depiction of natural menopause as a hormone deficiency disease, was the forerunner to this type of sales pitch, which now permeates the media. Aging, social anxiety disorder, heartburn, restless leg syndrome, and overactive bladder are all examples of symptoms or normal physiological events that are now presented to consumers as being in need of long-term drug treatment.
Prescription drugs used to be advertised mainly in medical journals aimed at health care providers. But since 1997, when the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) loosened the restrictions on direct-to-consumer advertising, pharmaceutical companies have taken their messages directly to the people. They claim these ads are good for consumers because they educate and encourage individuals to be more involved in their medical choices. But whatever the industry's philanthropic motives, the more direct interest is the bottom line.
As Marcia Angell, a former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, once put it, "They are no more in the business of educating the public than a beer company is in the business of educating people about alcoholism."
Because of direct-to-consumer advertising, more people request prescription drugs from their doctors, and most doctors comply. Most lay people -- and even many physicians -- are not aware that drug ads are not checked by the FDA for accuracy beforehand, and are pulled only after complaints are made and verified. This usually takes about six months, and the drug company is given a grace period of several additional months, by which time most ads would have been changed anyway. A company is rarely required to run a corrective ad, and there is no other penalty for misleading the public. Thus, while the FDA sends hundreds of letters each year requiring drug companies to retract their ads, most people don't hear about them.
Women need to recognize misleading pharmaceutical marketing practices and base drug treatment decisions on scientifically accurate evidence. Be most skeptical of heavily advertised drugs and those that come with coupons. They are the newest, most expensive drugs with the shortest track records of safety.
The FDA does not require new drugs to be proven better than competing, often cheaper, drugs already on the market. Though many drugs for chronic conditions like arthritis are taken every day for years, pre-approval trials typically last no more than a few months and long-term safety studies are almost never done. Life-threatening effects may come to light only after the drug is approved and used widely.
To reduce unnecessary risk, women should seek independent sources of evidence about medicines, particularly new ones. The FDA's web site offers extensive information about medicines, herbal supplements, and vitamins, including safety alerts about the latest recalls and warnings for specific drugs.
The international nonprofit group Healthy Skepticism counters misleading drug promotion and maintains a regular "AdWatch" section on its website. Consumers should be cautious when looking for information on other websites. Many are substantially sponsored by pharmaceutical companies. Being skeptical about drug ads and promotions is smart: it can protect both our health and our wallets.
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Posted by: Lizmv on May 25, 2007 5:10 AM
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Every year I am told all about the "risks" I am taking by not having tests done and by refusing medications for my "advancing age" (53 and post menopausal). The older I get, the more pressure I get to medicate something! I am quite healthy and plan to stay that way through good living. Since my elderly doctor retired several years ago, I have had a difficult time finding a new one for that yearly thyroid check. 2 have refused to treat me and another was quite abusive, demanding I change to a synthetic hormone replacement and have a bone density test done.
I also refuse to buy into the system through medical insurance. However, I live in Massachusetts and come July, I will be penalized if I do NOT have health insurance.........
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Posted by: BillDouglas on May 25, 2007 10:45 AM
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The US's annual $1.5 trillion dollar health care budget, could conceivably be cut by a trillion or so dollars each year, by employing policies that would relieve stress in our society. Like what? You might ask.
Tens of millions of Americans fighting traffic each day could be working from home tele-commuting via the internet. Govt. could give tax incentives to companies to promote this.
Cutting traffic would save energy, cut pollution, and massively reduce domestic stress. Parents would be less pressured by school/work/traffic stresses, there would be less latch-key-kids after school, and crime rates would drop substantially as kids have more parental influence in that high juvenile crime time between schools end and parents getting home from rush hour.
Another program that should begin immediately is that in the one hour PE class all children SHOULD have at school, children from kindergarten on up should be taught Yoga, Tai Chi, and Qigong. Why them? Because modern medical research is revealing that these ancient mind/body technologies can reduce anxiety, depression, mood disturbance, boost immune function dramatically, lower high blood pressure, increase bone mass while reducing bone loss, provide low impact effective cardiovascular benefit, improve performance, and lessen violent tendencies.
There is no reason, given what we know about Tai Chi, Qigong, and Yoga, and EVERY child is not graduating high school a Tai Chi, Qigong, and Yoga MASTER. With one hour of PE every day, each child would be a master, a high level master, by their high school graduation date.
How many trillions in stress caused health problems could society save? How much less drop outs, and crimes would be committed by such a self empowered citizenry.
Bottom line is that there is a vested interest in keeping Americans stressed, stupid, victimized, and unhealthy. The prison industry looks at child illiteracy rates to determine future profits in the prison industry. The sicker Americans are, the more future profits big pharma will make. The more wars we fight for oil, the bigger the Halliburton profits become.
It is time to see that it is our economic/political system that is truly in need of medical attention on a massive radical scale. Our entire way of life is based on illness, dysfunction, and war to maintain profits. It is sick in the truest sense of the word.
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Posted by: fanny666 on May 25, 2007 10:59 AM
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The interesting thing to me is that symptoms like hot flashes etc. happen in the US more than in other countries and cultures. And in cultures like India where it's not considered somehow "bad" for women to grow older- these symptoms hardly happen at all.
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Posted by: BetteM on May 25, 2007 11:53 AM
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We seem so quick to be contented chemically without rooting out causes of strife and upset. Another point-- Menopause is not a disease or an illness. Its a natural physical phase of life. Hormone pills probably offer some relief of a benign natural condition. Got hot flashes ? Great ! You are vibrant, healthy and alive...enjoy the rush of the flush.
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Posted by: Maxwell House on May 25, 2007 12:55 PM
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Oh, it's not that I wasn't trying to get treatment- I spent thousands upon thousands on various doctors, emergency, hospital visits, etc., but the doctors wouldn't listen. What appalled them more than anything was that I WAS A WOMAN NOT ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS! Oh my gosh, here I was, walking around (well, at that point I wasn't really walking, and was wishing for a wheelchair of my own, a far cry from my healthy mountain-biking usual self) without mood-altering chemicals in my system. And to top it off, I wasn't on birth control pills, either! Oh my freaking gosh!!!
Now it didn't matter that I had no need for the drugs, but that was always the main point of my appointments, not the dangerous mold that was slowly but surely choking the life out of me. The doctors didn't give a damn about the mold, and would have left me to turn into a vegetable, but by God I'd better be taking prozac and BCP's or all hell would break loose, even though I was showing signs of liver damage from the mold (I was turning yellow)and the chemicals would just make my liver worse.
Twenty two doctors in two years, not a one even tried to treat the mold, but just kept throwing the pill of the day at me for whatever reason (I could have watched TV the night before my appointments to find out what drug would be pushed on me the next day). And always, always, always, anti-depressants and BCP's (BCP's have their place, but earlier use of them set me up for Endometriosis, which was triggered by the mold and in full bloom in less than six months after the fungal infection started. I know more now and have read the studies which weren't around when I first took The Pill, and would never take synthetic hormones again.)
As for the mold, I finally found a brilliant ND with whom I credit for with saving my life. My insurance, of course, does not cover him. Not one single penny. But they gladly covered all the dumb asses who doctor by pharma, who ignored what was happening to me and threw pill after toxic pill at me. We figure we spend about the same for my ND as we did for all the useless tests, co-pays etc. for the worthless Western medical sheep, so even though it's put us in the hole for now, I will once again have a life and may even be able to work again (FYI- Disability does not count my ND as a "real" doctor, even though in our state ND's are fully licensed and often have more and better educations than the average MD. Not that it matters, since mold isn't "real" either.)
Sadly, I have heard this story from countless other women who have gone to their doctors for what turned out to be serious ailments, but were merely pooh-poohed by the condescending assholes and had prozac and hormones pushed on them instead. In the meantime, we are left untreated and considered to merely be "anxious" and, I suppose, not capable of living without some form of chemical interference (it's true, I was very anxious; I was anxious to find someone with a brain!) I know that there are definitely times for proper pharmaceutical usage, but I also believe that the pharmacy industry should be non-profit. We do need some drugs, but we also need to properly treat patients, not look upon them as one big wallet.
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on May 25, 2007 4:26 PM
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People are very stupid to shell out hard earned cash for these useless drugs. A lot of folks in this country are extremely infantile, wanting to be spoon-fed rather than taking charge of their lives. Can't blame the pharm companies for the entire situation -- they're just giving consumers what they want.
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Posted by: wolfdaughter on May 25, 2007 7:27 PM
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Lack of sleep can lower job performance and produce a hazardous driver, because we who suffer from restless leg syndrome have daytime sleepiness due to interrupted sleep at night. Plus the sensation of restless leg, while not painful per se, is still highly uncomfortable. Don't pooh-pooh that which you haven't experienced.
Also, about depression: mild and perhaps even moderate depression can be dealt with through lifestyle modifications like making sure your diet has plenty of B vitamins, exercise, learning to think in more positive ways, etc. Caveat: not everyone is capable of doing much exercise. There are people who are wheelchair-bound, severely arthritic, with various forms of COPD or heart disease, for whom exercise is difficult if not impossible.
But severe depression, the kind which can lead to suicide, and which definitely leads to lower performance in all areas of life, really is helped by SSRIs and tri-cyclics. Again, as with restless leg syndrome, don't pooh-pooh it if you've never had it. The absolute hopeless feelings which accompany severe depression, the lack of pleasure in anything, are indescribable if you haven't been there, and severe depression is far worse to suffer from than most physical ailments, with the exception of those which cause intractable pain (which often leads to severe depression), and terminal illnesses.
Bottom line: don't be too quick to jump to judgment if you haven't been there or known someone well.
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Probably why all the teachers at my school hated the boys but loved the girls.
Regardless, you are responsible for your health.
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Posted by: Maxwell House on May 25, 2007 11:45 PM
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My ND diagnosed the mold infection by my symptoms. Before you see my ND for the first time, you meet with an intake specialist and virtually fill out a book about your issues, then he reads it and does his research before he ever meets with you, so he already has a good idea of what's going on. I was a classic mold victim, so mine was fairly straight forward. We didn't classify what type of mold it was because it would have involved more testing, and as my insurance wasn't covering it and it didn't make a difference for treatment, I decided not the spend the money. If I had been able to sue the moldy rec center I would have had to have it done, even though the testing (done by the skin prick method) can make you even sicker, as you're putting more toxins in your body. But to sue you have to match up the mold strains, and I couldn't get a lawyer to take my case. No one wanted to go against our large recreational district and my county doesn't have any laws regarding toxic molds in public buildings (like our schools). Plus, like asbestos and lead paint in the earlier years, the true dangers of mold are still hushed up by the powers that be. Don't wanna be costing insurance companies any money, ya know. Better that people just keep dying from it; dead people don't cause problems.
To kill mold in the human body, it takes a very controlled usage of an anti-fungal. It has to be controlled, because when you're killing off toxins you actually get sicker as the toxins are expelled from your body. It takes a long time, and is hard, exhausting work. There are many times where you feel it would be much easier to just let it kill you. It's also important to strengthen the rest of the immune system and to treat the digestive tract, detox the liver and work on whatever else needs help (pretty much everything). My liver was at 30% working capacity when I first started with my ND, and after 4 years of treatment it is now up to 85%, and I plan to get back to full strength in the future. It's been hard and expensive, but it sure beats a liver transplant (which my insurance would cover some of, but they won't pay a dime to help me cleanse and regenerate it the safe way).
I hope this helps. I apologize for the long answer, but there is no shortcut in describing mold. I hope that you're not a mold victim, and often people that ask for information aren't but know someone who is. It's hard to find help and I'm lucky that I did, because so many people don't ever get the proper treatment and end up very ill and eventually die from mold-related causes, like emphysema or cancer. I didn't even end up with asthma from it, which is totally amazing. I don't know why I was one of the lucky ones, but I figure it is my duty to educate others whenever I can, so maybe I can keep another person from going through this health hell. If you have any more questions I will gladly answer them, and I highly suggest checking out the Mold Across America website for further info.
I really, really hope that you're not a mold victim, because this totally sucks. There is a cure out there, and you may have to fight for it. But let me tell you, it's totally worth it.
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1. ADVERSE REACTIONS TO FDA APPROVED DRUGS IS THE 4TH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE U.S., BEHIND ONLY HEART ATTACKS, STROKES AND ALL CANCERS COMBINED. THESE STATISTICS DO NOT INCLUDE MISDOSING, MISPRESCRIBING OR ANY OTHER KIND OF MALPRACTICE, AND ONLY INCLUDE DEATHS THAT OCCURRED IN HOSPITALS, NOT IN THE COMMUNITY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE GIVEN THE FDA APPROVED DRUG, IN THE FDA APPROVED DOSE, FOR THE FDA APPROVED REASON, AND IT KILLS YOU, IS THE 4TH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH.
2. MEDICAL MALPRACTICE IS THE 6TH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE U.S. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE NON-LETHAL ACTS OF MEDICAL MALPRACTICE.
3. IATROGENICS - MEDICAL TREATMENT AS A WHOLE - IS THE 3RD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE U.S., BEHIND ONLY HEART ATTACKS AND STROKES, AND AHEAD OF ALL CANCERS COMBINED. FOR THIS, WE PAY 20% OF THE GROSS NATIONAL PRODUCT.
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Posted by: Lizmv on May 25, 2007 5:10 AM
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Every year I am told all about the "risks" I am taking by not having tests done and by refusing medications for my "advancing age" (53 and post menopausal). The older I get, the more pressure I get to medicate something! I am quite healthy and plan to stay that way through good living. Since my elderly doctor retired several years ago, I have had a difficult time finding a new one for that yearly thyroid check. 2 have refused to treat me and another was quite abusive, demanding I change to a synthetic hormone replacement and have a bone density test done.
I also refuse to buy into the system through medical insurance. However, I live in Massachusetts and come July, I will be penalized if I do NOT have health insurance.........
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Posted by: BillDouglas on May 25, 2007 10:45 AM
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The US's annual $1.5 trillion dollar health care budget, could conceivably be cut by a trillion or so dollars each year, by employing policies that would relieve stress in our society. Like what? You might ask.
Tens of millions of Americans fighting traffic each day could be working from home tele-commuting via the internet. Govt. could give tax incentives to companies to promote this.
Cutting traffic would save energy, cut pollution, and massively reduce domestic stress. Parents would be less pressured by school/work/traffic stresses, there would be less latch-key-kids after school, and crime rates would drop substantially as kids have more parental influence in that high juvenile crime time between schools end and parents getting home from rush hour.
Another program that should begin immediately is that in the one hour PE class all children SHOULD have at school, children from kindergarten on up should be taught Yoga, Tai Chi, and Qigong. Why them? Because modern medical research is revealing that these ancient mind/body technologies can reduce anxiety, depression, mood disturbance, boost immune function dramatically, lower high blood pressure, increase bone mass while reducing bone loss, provide low impact effective cardiovascular benefit, improve performance, and lessen violent tendencies.
There is no reason, given what we know about Tai Chi, Qigong, and Yoga, and EVERY child is not graduating high school a Tai Chi, Qigong, and Yoga MASTER. With one hour of PE every day, each child would be a master, a high level master, by their high school graduation date.
How many trillions in stress caused health problems could society save? How much less drop outs, and crimes would be committed by such a self empowered citizenry.
Bottom line is that there is a vested interest in keeping Americans stressed, stupid, victimized, and unhealthy. The prison industry looks at child illiteracy rates to determine future profits in the prison industry. The sicker Americans are, the more future profits big pharma will make. The more wars we fight for oil, the bigger the Halliburton profits become.
It is time to see that it is our economic/political system that is truly in need of medical attention on a massive radical scale. Our entire way of life is based on illness, dysfunction, and war to maintain profits. It is sick in the truest sense of the word.
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Posted by: fanny666 on May 25, 2007 10:59 AM
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The interesting thing to me is that symptoms like hot flashes etc. happen in the US more than in other countries and cultures. And in cultures like India where it's not considered somehow "bad" for women to grow older- these symptoms hardly happen at all.
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Posted by: BetteM on May 25, 2007 11:53 AM
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We seem so quick to be contented chemically without rooting out causes of strife and upset. Another point-- Menopause is not a disease or an illness. Its a natural physical phase of life. Hormone pills probably offer some relief of a benign natural condition. Got hot flashes ? Great ! You are vibrant, healthy and alive...enjoy the rush of the flush.
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Posted by: Maxwell House on May 25, 2007 12:55 PM
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Oh, it's not that I wasn't trying to get treatment- I spent thousands upon thousands on various doctors, emergency, hospital visits, etc., but the doctors wouldn't listen. What appalled them more than anything was that I WAS A WOMAN NOT ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS! Oh my gosh, here I was, walking around (well, at that point I wasn't really walking, and was wishing for a wheelchair of my own, a far cry from my healthy mountain-biking usual self) without mood-altering chemicals in my system. And to top it off, I wasn't on birth control pills, either! Oh my freaking gosh!!!
Now it didn't matter that I had no need for the drugs, but that was always the main point of my appointments, not the dangerous mold that was slowly but surely choking the life out of me. The doctors didn't give a damn about the mold, and would have left me to turn into a vegetable, but by God I'd better be taking prozac and BCP's or all hell would break loose, even though I was showing signs of liver damage from the mold (I was turning yellow)and the chemicals would just make my liver worse.
Twenty two doctors in two years, not a one even tried to treat the mold, but just kept throwing the pill of the day at me for whatever reason (I could have watched TV the night before my appointments to find out what drug would be pushed on me the next day). And always, always, always, anti-depressants and BCP's (BCP's have their place, but earlier use of them set me up for Endometriosis, which was triggered by the mold and in full bloom in less than six months after the fungal infection started. I know more now and have read the studies which weren't around when I first took The Pill, and would never take synthetic hormones again.)
As for the mold, I finally found a brilliant ND with whom I credit for with saving my life. My insurance, of course, does not cover him. Not one single penny. But they gladly covered all the dumb asses who doctor by pharma, who ignored what was happening to me and threw pill after toxic pill at me. We figure we spend about the same for my ND as we did for all the useless tests, co-pays etc. for the worthless Western medical sheep, so even though it's put us in the hole for now, I will once again have a life and may even be able to work again (FYI- Disability does not count my ND as a "real" doctor, even though in our state ND's are fully licensed and often have more and better educations than the average MD. Not that it matters, since mold isn't "real" either.)
Sadly, I have heard this story from countless other women who have gone to their doctors for what turned out to be serious ailments, but were merely pooh-poohed by the condescending assholes and had prozac and hormones pushed on them instead. In the meantime, we are left untreated and considered to merely be "anxious" and, I suppose, not capable of living without some form of chemical interference (it's true, I was very anxious; I was anxious to find someone with a brain!) I know that there are definitely times for proper pharmaceutical usage, but I also believe that the pharmacy industry should be non-profit. We do need some drugs, but we also need to properly treat patients, not look upon them as one big wallet.
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» Fungal Infections in lungs are MORTAL diseases.
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» Herbals mostly ineffective? Very scientific.
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on May 25, 2007 4:26 PM
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People are very stupid to shell out hard earned cash for these useless drugs. A lot of folks in this country are extremely infantile, wanting to be spoon-fed rather than taking charge of their lives. Can't blame the pharm companies for the entire situation -- they're just giving consumers what they want.
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Posted by: wolfdaughter on May 25, 2007 7:27 PM
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Lack of sleep can lower job performance and produce a hazardous driver, because we who suffer from restless leg syndrome have daytime sleepiness due to interrupted sleep at night. Plus the sensation of restless leg, while not painful per se, is still highly uncomfortable. Don't pooh-pooh that which you haven't experienced.
Also, about depression: mild and perhaps even moderate depression can be dealt with through lifestyle modifications like making sure your diet has plenty of B vitamins, exercise, learning to think in more positive ways, etc. Caveat: not everyone is capable of doing much exercise. There are people who are wheelchair-bound, severely arthritic, with various forms of COPD or heart disease, for whom exercise is difficult if not impossible.
But severe depression, the kind which can lead to suicide, and which definitely leads to lower performance in all areas of life, really is helped by SSRIs and tri-cyclics. Again, as with restless leg syndrome, don't pooh-pooh it if you've never had it. The absolute hopeless feelings which accompany severe depression, the lack of pleasure in anything, are indescribable if you haven't been there, and severe depression is far worse to suffer from than most physical ailments, with the exception of those which cause intractable pain (which often leads to severe depression), and terminal illnesses.
Bottom line: don't be too quick to jump to judgment if you haven't been there or known someone well.
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» The sooner petroleum is out, the easier it'll be for Big Pharma to crumble.
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Posted by: Ambrose Pare on May 25, 2007 11:08 PM
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Probably why all the teachers at my school hated the boys but loved the girls.
Regardless, you are responsible for your health.
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Posted by: Maxwell House on May 25, 2007 11:45 PM
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My ND diagnosed the mold infection by my symptoms. Before you see my ND for the first time, you meet with an intake specialist and virtually fill out a book about your issues, then he reads it and does his research before he ever meets with you, so he already has a good idea of what's going on. I was a classic mold victim, so mine was fairly straight forward. We didn't classify what type of mold it was because it would have involved more testing, and as my insurance wasn't covering it and it didn't make a difference for treatment, I decided not the spend the money. If I had been able to sue the moldy rec center I would have had to have it done, even though the testing (done by the skin prick method) can make you even sicker, as you're putting more toxins in your body. But to sue you have to match up the mold strains, and I couldn't get a lawyer to take my case. No one wanted to go against our large recreational district and my county doesn't have any laws regarding toxic molds in public buildings (like our schools). Plus, like asbestos and lead paint in the earlier years, the true dangers of mold are still hushed up by the powers that be. Don't wanna be costing insurance companies any money, ya know. Better that people just keep dying from it; dead people don't cause problems.
To kill mold in the human body, it takes a very controlled usage of an anti-fungal. It has to be controlled, because when you're killing off toxins you actually get sicker as the toxins are expelled from your body. It takes a long time, and is hard, exhausting work. There are many times where you feel it would be much easier to just let it kill you. It's also important to strengthen the rest of the immune system and to treat the digestive tract, detox the liver and work on whatever else needs help (pretty much everything). My liver was at 30% working capacity when I first started with my ND, and after 4 years of treatment it is now up to 85%, and I plan to get back to full strength in the future. It's been hard and expensive, but it sure beats a liver transplant (which my insurance would cover some of, but they won't pay a dime to help me cleanse and regenerate it the safe way).
I hope this helps. I apologize for the long answer, but there is no shortcut in describing mold. I hope that you're not a mold victim, and often people that ask for information aren't but know someone who is. It's hard to find help and I'm lucky that I did, because so many people don't ever get the proper treatment and end up very ill and eventually die from mold-related causes, like emphysema or cancer. I didn't even end up with asthma from it, which is totally amazing. I don't know why I was one of the lucky ones, but I figure it is my duty to educate others whenever I can, so maybe I can keep another person from going through this health hell. If you have any more questions I will gladly answer them, and I highly suggest checking out the Mold Across America website for further info.
I really, really hope that you're not a mold victim, because this totally sucks. There is a cure out there, and you may have to fight for it. But let me tell you, it's totally worth it.
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Posted by: Lefty2 on May 26, 2007 3:30 PM
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1. ADVERSE REACTIONS TO FDA APPROVED DRUGS IS THE 4TH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE U.S., BEHIND ONLY HEART ATTACKS, STROKES AND ALL CANCERS COMBINED. THESE STATISTICS DO NOT INCLUDE MISDOSING, MISPRESCRIBING OR ANY OTHER KIND OF MALPRACTICE, AND ONLY INCLUDE DEATHS THAT OCCURRED IN HOSPITALS, NOT IN THE COMMUNITY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE GIVEN THE FDA APPROVED DRUG, IN THE FDA APPROVED DOSE, FOR THE FDA APPROVED REASON, AND IT KILLS YOU, IS THE 4TH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH.
2. MEDICAL MALPRACTICE IS THE 6TH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE U.S. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE NON-LETHAL ACTS OF MEDICAL MALPRACTICE.
3. IATROGENICS - MEDICAL TREATMENT AS A WHOLE - IS THE 3RD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE U.S., BEHIND ONLY HEART ATTACKS AND STROKES, AND AHEAD OF ALL CANCERS COMBINED. FOR THIS, WE PAY 20% OF THE GROSS NATIONAL PRODUCT.
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» Okay, righty; cite the study about herbal remedies, otherwise your comments are just more BS
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» HERE'S THE REASON.....
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Posted by: gellero on May 27, 2007 8:11 PM
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