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What's a Mother's Worth?
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There's a reason poverty so disproportionately hits women. Most of these elderly poor women were, or still are, caregivers -- and according to most economists, the people who do the caring work in households, whether female or male, are "economically inactive." Of course, anyone who has a mother knows that most caregivers work from dawn to dusk. And we also know that without their work of caring for children, the sick, the elderly, and maintaining a clean home environment there would be no workforce, no economy, nothing. Yet current economic indicators and policies fail to include this work as "productive work."
The good news is that we can change this bizarre way of looking at what is, and is not, productive work. In fact change is already in the works. A 2004 Swiss government survey placed the value of the unpaid work in households at 70 percent of the reported Swiss GDP. And according to salary.com, a U.S. organization, the caring work of a mother is worth over $100,000 per year.
Recognizing the value of caring and caregiving is the first step. The next step is changing business practices and government policies to recognize and reward this work.
Of course, some people will argue this work should not be sullied by crass material considerations -- that it should be done solely out of love. Certainly love plays a major factor in these activities. And so it should. But this does not change the fact that society derives enormous benefits from these activities, so much so that it could not function at all without them. Nor does it change the fact that the people who primarily perform these activities -- women -- have been condemned to be the mass of the world's poor.
Certainly we don't want wages for caring paid by the person -- usually a man -- where there are two parents. But we don't have to continue to penalize those who do the caring work for families, as we do today, by denying them benefits in their own right. Again, there is movement in this direction. When the new President of Chile, Michelle Bachelet was inaugurated, one of her first steps was a subsidy to poor women who are caregivers.
We too can -- and must -- give more visibility and value to caring work in families. There are many ways to do this -- from social investment in good training for caregivers, caregiver tax credits, and social security for caregivers. Moreover, through flex-time, child care stipends, universal healthcare, paid parental leave, and other family-friendly workplace policies supported by governments and employers, both women and men can balance work inside and outside the home. This will give more men the opportunity to be closer to their children and give more women the opportunity to express and develop other aspects of their human potential, and at the same time also derive income from employment.
The devaluation of women and the "women's work" of caregiving is a pathology we must leave behind -- not only for the sake of the female half of humanity but for us all. Indeed, only as we give real value and visibility to the work of caring and caregiving can we move forward to economic systems that truly care for the real wealth of nations: people and our natural environment.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on May 11, 2007 12:33 AM
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If you are afraid that being a care giver will land you in the poor house, go have an abortion. Men don't have that option.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 11, 2007 2:57 AM
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As for time off, how about this?: Everybody--both parents and non-parents--gets a certain amount of time off to have kids, take care of Aunt Millie, sail around the world, or whatever. No questions or stipulations based on whether you have kids or not. It's your choice.
Child care stipends? What does that mean? It sounds to me like another transfer of wealth from people without kids to people with kids. Back to the negotiating table.
Hi Mom! Happy Mother's Day!
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Posted by: Blade on May 11, 2007 3:23 AM
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Not dawn to dusk, though, there were day naps, outings with friends, and long periods of nonsupervised "work as you want" days while we were in school.
Never any quotas, except to get us to ball practice and games on time, which wasn't very hard, even though there were three of us boys, and one girl.
I like that kind of work.
When we moved out she was able to retire early. She was about 45 years old, when that happened.
My Dad worked until it killed him at age 58, and Mom took it fairly easy while the sawdust was killing him.
Now she has been a widow for 24 years, and doing whatever she wants. He left her, as a carpenter, about 600 grand. Not a million, but pretty good for a carpenter. He was good at what he did.
One day, at work with him building a large Victorian with built-in cabinets, breathing the tiny dust particles that eventually killed him, coughing now and then, I asked him how he worked so long and hard. Why did he do it?
He paused briefly, and simply stated that he wanted my Mother to never want for anything.
He worked himself to death to achieve that goal. He was a success.
I think her life, God love her, was pretty easy. Lots easier than going to a job day after day for forty or fifty years. She has never worked a job a day in her life.
I love working on my own home, and being as much as possible with my kid and family. It's inspiring to be able to devote all your energies to your family, and keeps you young being around children.
Work is work, us workers say. Being a housewife is risky, and the pay is low. But if you hang in there, do a good job, the benefits may be huge.
Please don't suggest we need to start paying housewives and househusbands. Please.
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on May 11, 2007 5:11 AM
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Uh, she didn't. She referred to possible tax credits & Soc. Sec. changes.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on May 11, 2007 6:44 AM
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I'm 45 now. It's likely I will care for my dad when he's old (he's 72 now).
Let's not get all mushy-gushy because it's some b.s. Hallmark holiday like Mother's Day.
Let's talk about caring for aging parents no matter the gender.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on May 11, 2007 7:08 AM
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What happened?
My Father, already retired, had a series of illnesses that ultimately led to his needing Nursing Home care. The main reason she worked past 65 was because her health insurance would cover most everything above Medicare. When she retired- it was no longer available.
The VA stepped in and said my Father qualified for assistance under a program for WWII veterans and would cover most of the difference between what Medicare would pay and the actual expenses. After more than a year of this, the VA said that he was determined to not be eligible for the program and that it would have to be paid back. Meanwhile, she is paying all of his ongoing care above the Medicare level and had too many assets (a house and a car) to qualify for other assistance.
My Father died earlier this year and by the time all his expenses from Nursing Care, Hospitalization and Burial were tallied, she has none of her retirement savings left. She still has a monthly payment to return to the VA the money they determined he was qualified for and then changed their mind about and now only has a monthly Social Security check for income.
After doing some checking, I now know that this is not an uncommon story. All of her hard earned retirement savings were eaten up by hers spouse's healthcare needs and she has none for her needs. Whatever your political persuasion is- this is just wrong.
To my Baby Boomer friends and the generations that follow, take this as a warning. As bad as things are now, they will be even tougher for the generations that follow. It's time our nation stopped kidding itself and overhauled the retirement and healthcare programs in our country. Most American are unprepared for retirement and my Mom is an example of what can happen even if you do all that you are advised to do.
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Posted by: mdruss42 on May 11, 2007 7:36 AM
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We watch as our ¨slice of the pie¨ shrinks every year, as the very few declare their worthiness to own the whole pie, and our unworthiness to even complain.
So, exactly when do any of you expect the sea change in our created mean and spiteful way of thinking of our fellowman that will demand the changes needed to insure our citizens, all of them, the decent life that a country as rich as this one should afford them?
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on May 11, 2007 9:12 AM
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- John Stuart Mill
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http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_5652483?source=rss
http://wjz.com/local/local_story_129065519.html
Hispanic drivers are more likely than White or African American drivers to consume more alcohol more frequently. The mean number of drinks believed to affect driving ranges from:
6.1 to 8.0 for Hispanics
2.1 to 4.8 for Whites
4.3 to 6.4 for African Americans
Motor Vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for Hispanics through the age of 24, and the second leading cause of death for ages 25-44. They are the third leading cause of death for Hispanics of all ages surpassed only by heart disease and cancer. (Monthly Vital Statistics Report for 1995, [CDC, 1997]
Hispanics were shown to be more likely than Whites to drive with blood alcohol concentration levels over .05, according to the 1996 National Roadside Survey.
Mortality rates among adolescents ages 13 to 19 years, rates of death due to motor vehicle crashes (adjusted per billion vehicle-miles) are highest among Hispanic and African American males.
In terms of overall mortality rates, rates of death due to motor vehicle crashes are higher among Hispanics than among Whites and African Americans.
This overview was prepared and released by MADD and an independent coalition researcher. The overview prepared by Dr. Catherine Clark, Alcohol Policy Group, Berkeley, CA. The overview was reviewed by Dr. Raul Caetano, Houston School of Medicine, University of Texas, and Dr. Robert Voas, Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, and member of the MADD National Board of Directors.
References:
1) 1989-1994 Fatal Accident Reporting System Data
2) 1990 United States Census Data
3) 1994 National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Data
4) "Motor Vehicle Occupant Deaths among Hispanic and Black Children and Teenagers" by Baker, Braver, Chen, Pantula, & Massie, 1998
5) "Ethnicity and Alcohol-Related Fatalities: 1990 to 1994" by Voas & Tippetts, 1999
6) "Prevalence of Alcohol-Impaired Driving: Results from a National Self-Reported Survey of Health Behaviors" by Liu, Siegel, Brewer, Mokdad, Sleet, & Serdula, 1997
7) 1996 California Death Certificate and Hospital Discharge Data
8) "Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics Driving under the Influence of Alcohol: Results from the 1995 National Alcohol Survey" by Caetano & Clark, 1998
9) "Drinking and DSM-IV Alcohol and Drug Dependence among White and Mexican-American DUI Offenders" by Caetano & Raspberry, 1998
10) "Traffic Injury Rates by Race/Ethnicity in California 1996" by Roeper, 1999
11) "Driving after Drug or Alcohol Use: Findings from the 1996 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse" by the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Transportation
12) "Drinking and Driving in the United States: The 1996 National Roadside Survey" by Voas, Wells, Lestina, Williams, & Greene, 1998
13) "Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance -- United States, 1997" by Kann, Kinchen, Williams, Ross, Lowry, Hill, Grunbaum, Blumson, Collins, Kolbe, 1998
14) "Motor Vehicle Crash Involvement among Racial and Ethnic Groups in the U.S." by Voas, 1999.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on May 11, 2007 12:33 AM
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If you are afraid that being a care giver will land you in the poor house, go have an abortion. Men don't have that option.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 11, 2007 2:57 AM
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As for time off, how about this?: Everybody--both parents and non-parents--gets a certain amount of time off to have kids, take care of Aunt Millie, sail around the world, or whatever. No questions or stipulations based on whether you have kids or not. It's your choice.
Child care stipends? What does that mean? It sounds to me like another transfer of wealth from people without kids to people with kids. Back to the negotiating table.
Hi Mom! Happy Mother's Day!
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Posted by: Blade on May 11, 2007 3:23 AM
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Not dawn to dusk, though, there were day naps, outings with friends, and long periods of nonsupervised "work as you want" days while we were in school.
Never any quotas, except to get us to ball practice and games on time, which wasn't very hard, even though there were three of us boys, and one girl.
I like that kind of work.
When we moved out she was able to retire early. She was about 45 years old, when that happened.
My Dad worked until it killed him at age 58, and Mom took it fairly easy while the sawdust was killing him.
Now she has been a widow for 24 years, and doing whatever she wants. He left her, as a carpenter, about 600 grand. Not a million, but pretty good for a carpenter. He was good at what he did.
One day, at work with him building a large Victorian with built-in cabinets, breathing the tiny dust particles that eventually killed him, coughing now and then, I asked him how he worked so long and hard. Why did he do it?
He paused briefly, and simply stated that he wanted my Mother to never want for anything.
He worked himself to death to achieve that goal. He was a success.
I think her life, God love her, was pretty easy. Lots easier than going to a job day after day for forty or fifty years. She has never worked a job a day in her life.
I love working on my own home, and being as much as possible with my kid and family. It's inspiring to be able to devote all your energies to your family, and keeps you young being around children.
Work is work, us workers say. Being a housewife is risky, and the pay is low. But if you hang in there, do a good job, the benefits may be huge.
Please don't suggest we need to start paying housewives and househusbands. Please.
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on May 11, 2007 5:11 AM
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Uh, she didn't. She referred to possible tax credits & Soc. Sec. changes.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on May 11, 2007 6:44 AM
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I'm 45 now. It's likely I will care for my dad when he's old (he's 72 now).
Let's not get all mushy-gushy because it's some b.s. Hallmark holiday like Mother's Day.
Let's talk about caring for aging parents no matter the gender.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on May 11, 2007 7:08 AM
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What happened?
My Father, already retired, had a series of illnesses that ultimately led to his needing Nursing Home care. The main reason she worked past 65 was because her health insurance would cover most everything above Medicare. When she retired- it was no longer available.
The VA stepped in and said my Father qualified for assistance under a program for WWII veterans and would cover most of the difference between what Medicare would pay and the actual expenses. After more than a year of this, the VA said that he was determined to not be eligible for the program and that it would have to be paid back. Meanwhile, she is paying all of his ongoing care above the Medicare level and had too many assets (a house and a car) to qualify for other assistance.
My Father died earlier this year and by the time all his expenses from Nursing Care, Hospitalization and Burial were tallied, she has none of her retirement savings left. She still has a monthly payment to return to the VA the money they determined he was qualified for and then changed their mind about and now only has a monthly Social Security check for income.
After doing some checking, I now know that this is not an uncommon story. All of her hard earned retirement savings were eaten up by hers spouse's healthcare needs and she has none for her needs. Whatever your political persuasion is- this is just wrong.
To my Baby Boomer friends and the generations that follow, take this as a warning. As bad as things are now, they will be even tougher for the generations that follow. It's time our nation stopped kidding itself and overhauled the retirement and healthcare programs in our country. Most American are unprepared for retirement and my Mom is an example of what can happen even if you do all that you are advised to do.
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Posted by: mdruss42 on May 11, 2007 7:36 AM
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We watch as our ¨slice of the pie¨ shrinks every year, as the very few declare their worthiness to own the whole pie, and our unworthiness to even complain.
So, exactly when do any of you expect the sea change in our created mean and spiteful way of thinking of our fellowman that will demand the changes needed to insure our citizens, all of them, the decent life that a country as rich as this one should afford them?
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on May 11, 2007 9:12 AM
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- John Stuart Mill
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http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_5652483?source=rss
http://wjz.com/local/local_story_129065519.html
Hispanic drivers are more likely than White or African American drivers to consume more alcohol more frequently. The mean number of drinks believed to affect driving ranges from:
6.1 to 8.0 for Hispanics
2.1 to 4.8 for Whites
4.3 to 6.4 for African Americans
Motor Vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for Hispanics through the age of 24, and the second leading cause of death for ages 25-44. They are the third leading cause of death for Hispanics of all ages surpassed only by heart disease and cancer. (Monthly Vital Statistics Report for 1995, [CDC, 1997]
Hispanics were shown to be more likely than Whites to drive with blood alcohol concentration levels over .05, according to the 1996 National Roadside Survey.
Mortality rates among adolescents ages 13 to 19 years, rates of death due to motor vehicle crashes (adjusted per billion vehicle-miles) are highest among Hispanic and African American males.
In terms of overall mortality rates, rates of death due to motor vehicle crashes are higher among Hispanics than among Whites and African Americans.
This overview was prepared and released by MADD and an independent coalition researcher. The overview prepared by Dr. Catherine Clark, Alcohol Policy Group, Berkeley, CA. The overview was reviewed by Dr. Raul Caetano, Houston School of Medicine, University of Texas, and Dr. Robert Voas, Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, and member of the MADD National Board of Directors.
References:
1) 1989-1994 Fatal Accident Reporting System Data
2) 1990 United States Census Data
3) 1994 National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Data
4) "Motor Vehicle Occupant Deaths among Hispanic and Black Children and Teenagers" by Baker, Braver, Chen, Pantula, & Massie, 1998
5) "Ethnicity and Alcohol-Related Fatalities: 1990 to 1994" by Voas & Tippetts, 1999
6) "Prevalence of Alcohol-Impaired Driving: Results from a National Self-Reported Survey of Health Behaviors" by Liu, Siegel, Brewer, Mokdad, Sleet, & Serdula, 1997
7) 1996 California Death Certificate and Hospital Discharge Data
8) "Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics Driving under the Influence of Alcohol: Results from the 1995 National Alcohol Survey" by Caetano & Clark, 1998
9) "Drinking and DSM-IV Alcohol and Drug Dependence among White and Mexican-American DUI Offenders" by Caetano & Raspberry, 1998
10) "Traffic Injury Rates by Race/Ethnicity in California 1996" by Roeper, 1999
11) "Driving after Drug or Alcohol Use: Findings from the 1996 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse" by the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Transportation
12) "Drinking and Driving in the United States: The 1996 National Roadside Survey" by Voas, Wells, Lestina, Williams, & Greene, 1998
13) "Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance -- United States, 1997" by Kann, Kinchen, Williams, Ross, Lowry, Hill, Grunbaum, Blumson, Collins, Kolbe, 1998
14) "Motor Vehicle Crash Involvement among Racial and Ethnic Groups in the U.S." by Voas, 1999.
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