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Majority of Iraqi Lawmakers Now Reject Occupation
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It's a hugely significant development. Lawmakers demanding an end to the occupation now have the upper hand in the Iraqi legislature for the first time; previous attempts at a similar resolution fell just short of the 138 votes needed to pass (there are 275 members of the Iraqi parliament, but many have fled the country's civil conflict, and at times it's been difficult to arrive at a quorum).
Reached by phone in Baghdad on Tuesday, Al-Rubaie said that he would present the petition, which is nonbinding, to the speaker of the Iraqi parliament and demand that a binding measure be put to a vote. Under Iraqi law, the speaker must present a resolution that's called for by a majority of lawmakers, but there are significant loopholes and what will happen next is unclear.
What is clear is that while the U.S. Congress dickers over timelines and benchmarks, Baghdad faces a major political showdown of its own. The major schism in Iraqi politics is not between Sunni and Shia or supporters of the Iraqi government and "anti-government forces," nor is it a clash of "moderates" against "radicals"; the defining battle for Iraq at the political level today is between nationalists trying to hold the Iraqi state together and separatists backed, so far, by the United States and Britain.
The continuing occupation of Iraq and the allocation of Iraq's resources -- especially its massive oil and natural gas deposits -- are the defining issues that now separate an increasingly restless bloc of nationalists in the Iraqi parliament from the administration of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, whose government is dominated by Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish separatists.
By "separatists," we mean groups who oppose a unified Iraq with a strong central government; key figures like Maliki of the Dawa party, Shia leader Abdul Aziz Al-Hakeem of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq ("SCIRI"), Vice President Tariq Al-Hashimi of the Sunni Islamic Party, President Jalal Talabani -- a Kurd -- and Masoud Barzani, president of the Kurdish Autonomous Region, favor partitioning Iraq into three autonomous regions with strong local governments and a weak central administration in Baghdad. (The partition plan is also favored by several congressional Democrats, notably Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.)
Iraq's separatists also oppose setting a timetable for ending the U.S. occupation, preferring the addition of more American troops to secure their regime. They favor privatizing Iraq's oil and gas and decentralizing petroleum operations and revenue distribution.
But public opinion is squarely with Iraq's nationalists. According to a poll by the University of Maryland's Project on International Public Policy Attitudes, majorities of all three of Iraq's major ethno-sectarian groups support a unified Iraq with a strong central government. For at least two years, poll after poll has shown that large majorities of Iraqis of all ethnicities and sects want the United States to set a timeline for withdrawal, even though (in the case of Baghdad residents), they expect the security situation to deteriorate in the short term as a result.
That's nationalism, and it remains the central if unreported motivation for many Iraqis, both within the nascent government and on the streets.
While sectarian fighting at the neighborhood and community level has made life unlivable for millions of Iraqis, Iraqi nationalism -- portrayed as a fiction by supporters of the invasion -- supercedes sectarian loyalties at the political level. A group of secular, Sunni and Shia nationalists have long voted together on key issues, but so far have failed to join forces under a single banner.
That may be changing. Reached by phone last week, nationalist leader Saleh Al-Mutlaq, of the National Dialogue Front, said, "We're doing our best to form this united front and announce it within the next few weeks." The faction would have sufficient votes to block any measure proposed by the Maliki government. Asked about the Americans' reaction to the growing power of the nationalists, Mutlaq said, "We're trying our best to reach out to the U.S. side, but to no avail."
That appears to be a trend. Iraqi nationalists have attempted again and again to forge relationships with members of Congress, the State Department, the Pentagon and the White House but have found little interest in dialogue and no support. Instead, key nationalists like al-Sadr have been branded as "extremists," "thugs" and "criminals."
That's a tragic missed opportunity; the nationalists are likely Iraq's best hope for real and lasting reconciliation among the country's warring factions. They are the only significant political force focused on rebuilding a sovereign, united and independent Iraq without sectarian and ethnic tensions or foreign meddling -- from either the West or Iran. Hassan Al-Shammari, the head of Al-Fadhila bloc in the Iraqi parliament, said this week, "We have a peace plan, and we're trying to work with other nationalist Iraqis to end the U.S. and Iranian interventions, but we're under daily attacks and there's huge pressure to destroy our peace mission."
A sovereign and unified Iraq, free of sectarian violence, is what George Bush and Tony Blair claim they want most. The most likely reason that the United States and Britain have rebuffed those Iraqi nationalists who share those goals is that the nationalists oppose permanent basing rights and the privatization of Iraq's oil sector. The administration, along with their allies in Big Oil, has pressed the Iraqi government to adopt an oil law that would give foreign multinationals a much higher rate of return than they enjoy in other major oil producing countries and would lock in their control over what George Bush called Iraq's "patrimony" for decades.
Al-Shammari said this week: "We're afraid the U.S. will make us pass this new oil law through intimidation and threatening. We don't want it to pass, and we know it'll make things worse, but we're afraid to rise up and block it, because we don't want to be bombed and arrested the next day." In the Basrah province, where his Al-Fadhila party dominates the local government, Al-Shammari's fellow nationalists have been attacked repeatedly by separatists for weeks, while British troops in the area remained in their barracks.
The nationalists in parliament will now press their demands for withdrawal. At the same time, the emerging nationalist bloc is holding hearings in which officials from the defense and interior ministries have been grilled about just what impediments to building a functional security force remain and when the Iraqi police and military will be able to take over from foreign troops. Both ministries are believed to be heavily infiltrated by both nationalist (al-Sadr's Mahdi Army) and separatist militias (the pro-Iranian Badr Brigade).
The coming weeks and months will be crucial to Iraq's future. The United States, in pushing for more aggressive moves against Iraqi nationalists and the passage of a final oil law, is playing a dangerous game. Iraqi nationalists reached in Baghdad this week say they are beginning to lose hope of achieving anything through the political process because both the Iraqi government and the occupation authorities are systematically bypassing the Iraqi parliament where they're in the majority. If they end up quitting the political process entirely, that will leave little choice but to oppose the occupation by violent means.
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As long as the Democrats play the President's game of "support" of the troops, they will appear weak and without a peace plan. "Out now" is the simple and clear position based on the 'facts' on the ground.
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Posted by: robchapman on May 9, 2007 4:06 AM
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The University of Maryland survey which shows that the majority of the Iraqi people oppose the agenda of the government is not surprising.
The so-called free election was boycotted by a massive per cent of the Iraqis and the candidate lists were kept secret- under those conditions how can anyone's vote be considered a rational electoral choice?
The power of the Occupation is also well displayed: still nearly half the Parliament and the government are willing to use the Occupation to stay in power in the face of overwhelming popular hostility.
Ironically, the US continues to support a satelite regime in Baghdad in the interest of fostering democracy there.
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The only way we will see fundamental change against this generalized class corruption of all institutions, by class elites, is to transform, the working, middle layers, who are not class elites, corrupted, subordinated by their corporate masters above, is to take power away from this class mechanism, by putting democracy above class ideology, class despotism, imperial class nationalist, fascist foreign policies. I want you all to go to Counterpunch and read Ralph Naders's support for Mike Gavel and Kucninich, because Mike Gavel is proposing along with others, just such a democratic transformation against Corporate corruption. It is useful because the initiative for democracy, will educate the public how we can reclaim democracy from our class oligarchy, and the elites who serve them.
Such a transformation will not be accepted by the Corporate thugs, and they will resort to the middle class yahoos, know nothings, the way Hitler was financed by Corporate Fascism, and his know nothing redneck shock troops, to counter democracy, with their own corporate fascist policies. The key is to use this as a bridge to educate the majority of what our democracy has become, a class tyranny supported by the so called democratic Western press, especially the New York "Times, Washington Post, appeasing class liberals.
Eventually we may have to defend our democracy with the same rigor, we send our troops to die for a lie, but this time for the real thing, a social democratic principle that reflects real power of the people, not of the corporations.
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I've enjoyed your commentary on this sight, and will look to your blog for further updates.
I think you exemplify a trait that is, unfortunately, in short supply today: "loyalty to country always, and loyalty to government only when it is deserved."
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Posted by: JSquercia on May 9, 2007 7:55 AM
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not just the American People but the Iraqi people as well . After all Bush claims he wants a Democratic Government in Iraq . Be careful what you wish for George
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on May 9, 2007 8:56 AM
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The sad truth is that no matter what happens, no one will be held accountable for the nearly 2 million people who've been murdered since this war really began back in 1991.
The "leaders" debate and grandstand about funding, timetables, and the like - all the while, more and more innocents are killed.
Then what do they do? They reduce these people to something less than human - a statistic - collateral damage - if they even report it!
Truth may be the first casualty of war, but the worst is always the people who are ruthlessly murdered.
Some reading on this:
Collateral Damage is Murder - click here
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 9, 2007 11:09 AM
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"Al-Shammari said this week: "We're afraid the U.S. will make us pass this new oil law through intimidation and threatening. We don't want it to pass, and we know it'll make things worse, but we're afraid to rise up and block it, because we don't want to be bombed and arrested the next day." In the Basrah province, where his Al-Fadhila party dominates the local government, Al-Shammari's fellow nationalists have been attacked repeatedly by separatists for weeks, while British troops in the area remained in their barracks."
I had this bad dream, in which both the Democrats and Republicans in Congress got together and proclaimed that the critical benchmark that they wanted to see Bush 'achieve' was the 'stabilization of the political situation in Iraq', which was to be accomplished by "passage of the Iraqi oil law".
The Republicans have already proclaimed this as one of the 'benchmarks' that they will view as a sign of 'progress' - all for the benefit of the Iraqi people.
As I've tried to point out repeatedly, the banks, private equity firms, and hedge funds that control the major media corporations are the very same ones that control the international oil corporations (and pharma, and arms, and agribusiness, and telecom, etc.)... and that's precisely why there is nothing but silence on this issue from the corporate media.
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Posted by: babs on May 9, 2007 12:47 PM
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So is George W. Bush and the cabal running the entire show then? It looks that way. Never have I seen the American people cut so completely off from their own government, or brought so low by a bunch of jackals - and still dutifully paying taxes to fund a regime that they cannot control.
All to bring "democracy" to poor little Iraq. I'll be glad to see some democracy in the USA - soon maybe?
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Posted by: SteveB on May 9, 2007 1:45 PM
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"This government in Iraq so far has not produced anything they need to produce, beginning with the oil law followed on by the necessity for local elections, there is a whole variety of things that they know they need to do that they haven’t been able to do. There’s a growing frustration on a bipartisan basis here.”
And House Minority Leader John Boehner, speaking on the same subject:
"And whether it's the passage of their oil law, the redistribution of the oil wealth around Iraq, the Baathification law that they're looking at, the unification efforts, we're hoping they'll get their work finished."
Notice how “oil law” was the first item on both men’s “to-do” lists?
Since the "benchmarks" on the Iraqi government seem to be one thing the Democrats and Republicans can agree on, and "benchmarks" can be translated as: "new Iraqi oil law", I think we can expect to see both major parties join together in a “bipartisan” fashion to strong-arm the Iraqis into signing this gift to the oil industry. Sort of a “you hold him down while I kick him in the stomach” form of “bipartisanship.”
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Posted by: Krain61 on May 9, 2007 5:16 PM
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Just like if you vote down a tax a couple of times they just inpose a tax on you. Who said our law makers had to make a law when elected? Most of the time they tell us what they will do for us but maybe after getting elected 3 or 4 times they bring the issue back once again.
It's OK for the big drug companies to push there drugs on us but let you go out and do it and they do like the "Mafia"
And that is just what there doing in Iraq playing like the Mafia.
I think if the Iraqi's sign this Oil bill and the American's leave they should take it to a international court and get it thrown out because if was through coersion.{not sure of the splelling}
I am asshamed of what this country has and is still becoming.
I think soon we will see all the laws that bush signed start haunting us.I heard them say we asked for our rights to be taken away so we could be safe! I was never asked! Was you? Why is it that every where we go they start getting inflation? Look at gas prices from b4 we went to Iraq to now.. Hell look at ours!
If you look at what Corporations get from the government and the laws that imposed on us and watch the price you pay for different tthing related to the laws and companies you know you live with Hitler in change.
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Posted by: EdinSocal on May 9, 2007 5:24 PM
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Posted by: armybrat8 on May 9, 2007 7:09 PM
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First, they are over-simplifying the oil problem. It is true that the U.S. is more in favor of multinationals having a lot of access, and that would preclude nationalizing oil. But it is not as if the "nationalists" in this debate have the greatest of motives either. They hope that by nationalizing it they will outmaneuver the Kurds, who are sitting on all the oil and would like to have a large measure of control over it. What is clear is that a certain very militant segment of BOTH sides of this debate have death squads which go out at night and kill their opponents. Take that into consideration.
Few Iraqis favor partition, due to the Kurdish issue. Few Americans do either. People like Senator Biden need to read up on the Partition of India and Pakistan, or what happened last time we abritrarily drew boundaries in the Middle East. Look no farther than Palestine...
Be that as it may, there is a certain measure of politicking going on in Washington. Some things will need to be decided rather quickly, as there are lives at stake, American and Iraqi, every day we draw things out.
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The top U.S. commander in Iraq, depicted the situation there as “exceedingly complex and very tough” Thursday and said the U.S. effort might become more difficult before it gets easier”.
To General David Petraeus & Congress:
It’s Not Complex!
It’s Very, Very Simple!
(Simple Fact #1 )
The Bush/Cheney Administration Invades Iraq Based On Lies and Profit, Installs a Democracy With Bullets & Bombs, Creates an (Oil Rich) Shia Controlled Iraqi Government, Which Will Force 6 Million (Oil Empty) Sunnis To Choose Between Eating Sand or Setting Bombs!
(Simple Fact #2 )
Al-Qaeda and The People in the Middle East Do Not Hate Americans; Do Not Hate Our Freedoms, But They Do Hate, Very Much, Unfair U.S. Government Policies, Including Having Our Troops Marching On Their Sacred Land – Be It U.S. Troops or Soviet Troops!
To: General David Petraeus & Congress:
It’s Not Tough!
It’s Mission Impossible!
(Simple Fact #3 )
There Can Be and Will Be No End To The Civil War(s) in Iraq Until All U.S. Troops Are Removed From Iraq Because the U.S. Military Presence Delegitimizes Any Outcome! To Come To an Understanding of How Wealth and Power in Iraq Will be Shared, The Political Forces There Must Measure Their Relative Capacity and Will!
U.S. Diplomacy YES ! U.S. Military Intervention NO !
Support Senate Resolution S 759 IS Senator James Webb
PROHIBITS THE USE OF FUNDS FOR MILITARY OPERATIONS IN IRAN WITHOUT EXPRESS CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL
Support House Joint Resolution 14 Congressman Walter Jones
REQUIRING CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL PRIOR TO USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAN
Support H.R. 413 Congressman Sam Farr
LEGISLATION WHICH REPEALS THE IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION OF (2002) AND REQUIRES THE PRESIDENT TO START WITHDRAWING THE TROOPS!
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I cited your article at least a couple of times in my "wiki-resolution" to Iraq. I hope readers will register and weigh in. As far as I can figure out, we are the only place that leadership is going to come from.
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As long as the Democrats play the President's game of "support" of the troops, they will appear weak and without a peace plan. "Out now" is the simple and clear position based on the 'facts' on the ground.
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Posted by: robchapman on May 9, 2007 4:06 AM
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The University of Maryland survey which shows that the majority of the Iraqi people oppose the agenda of the government is not surprising.
The so-called free election was boycotted by a massive per cent of the Iraqis and the candidate lists were kept secret- under those conditions how can anyone's vote be considered a rational electoral choice?
The power of the Occupation is also well displayed: still nearly half the Parliament and the government are willing to use the Occupation to stay in power in the face of overwhelming popular hostility.
Ironically, the US continues to support a satelite regime in Baghdad in the interest of fostering democracy there.
Robert Chapman
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» Well, a point, but I think it’s really for world domination; ‘The New World Order.’
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» George H.W. Bush on Sept. 11, 1990, spoke of the “New World Order” in a speech in
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» RE: George H.W. Bush on Sept. 11, 1990, spoke of the “New World Order” in a speech in
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» ooops, careful, sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory........
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Posted by: Universal on May 9, 2007 4:24 AM
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The only way we will see fundamental change against this generalized class corruption of all institutions, by class elites, is to transform, the working, middle layers, who are not class elites, corrupted, subordinated by their corporate masters above, is to take power away from this class mechanism, by putting democracy above class ideology, class despotism, imperial class nationalist, fascist foreign policies. I want you all to go to Counterpunch and read Ralph Naders's support for Mike Gavel and Kucninich, because Mike Gavel is proposing along with others, just such a democratic transformation against Corporate corruption. It is useful because the initiative for democracy, will educate the public how we can reclaim democracy from our class oligarchy, and the elites who serve them.
Such a transformation will not be accepted by the Corporate thugs, and they will resort to the middle class yahoos, know nothings, the way Hitler was financed by Corporate Fascism, and his know nothing redneck shock troops, to counter democracy, with their own corporate fascist policies. The key is to use this as a bridge to educate the majority of what our democracy has become, a class tyranny supported by the so called democratic Western press, especially the New York "Times, Washington Post, appeasing class liberals.
Eventually we may have to defend our democracy with the same rigor, we send our troops to die for a lie, but this time for the real thing, a social democratic principle that reflects real power of the people, not of the corporations.
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» Third Party vote splits the vote, doesn't it?
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» Third Party vote splits the vote, doesn't it?
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» If the republican is Ron Paul, it beats out most of the candidates on both sides.
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» There's a downside to initiatives...
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Posted by: Universal on May 9, 2007 4:28 AM
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Posted by: David V on May 9, 2007 6:01 AM
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I've enjoyed your commentary on this sight, and will look to your blog for further updates.
I think you exemplify a trait that is, unfortunately, in short supply today: "loyalty to country always, and loyalty to government only when it is deserved."
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Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive on May 9, 2007 8:21 AM
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Posted by: JSquercia on May 9, 2007 7:55 AM
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not just the American People but the Iraqi people as well . After all Bush claims he wants a Democratic Government in Iraq . Be careful what you wish for George
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on May 9, 2007 8:56 AM
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The sad truth is that no matter what happens, no one will be held accountable for the nearly 2 million people who've been murdered since this war really began back in 1991.
The "leaders" debate and grandstand about funding, timetables, and the like - all the while, more and more innocents are killed.
Then what do they do? They reduce these people to something less than human - a statistic - collateral damage - if they even report it!
Truth may be the first casualty of war, but the worst is always the people who are ruthlessly murdered.
Some reading on this:
Collateral Damage is Murder - click here
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Posted by: wallart2006 on May 9, 2007 10:09 AM
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» RE: The public justification given to prove this was not an "occupation"...
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 9, 2007 11:09 AM
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"Al-Shammari said this week: "We're afraid the U.S. will make us pass this new oil law through intimidation and threatening. We don't want it to pass, and we know it'll make things worse, but we're afraid to rise up and block it, because we don't want to be bombed and arrested the next day." In the Basrah province, where his Al-Fadhila party dominates the local government, Al-Shammari's fellow nationalists have been attacked repeatedly by separatists for weeks, while British troops in the area remained in their barracks."
I had this bad dream, in which both the Democrats and Republicans in Congress got together and proclaimed that the critical benchmark that they wanted to see Bush 'achieve' was the 'stabilization of the political situation in Iraq', which was to be accomplished by "passage of the Iraqi oil law".
The Republicans have already proclaimed this as one of the 'benchmarks' that they will view as a sign of 'progress' - all for the benefit of the Iraqi people.
As I've tried to point out repeatedly, the banks, private equity firms, and hedge funds that control the major media corporations are the very same ones that control the international oil corporations (and pharma, and arms, and agribusiness, and telecom, etc.)... and that's precisely why there is nothing but silence on this issue from the corporate media.
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Posted by: babs on May 9, 2007 12:47 PM
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So is George W. Bush and the cabal running the entire show then? It looks that way. Never have I seen the American people cut so completely off from their own government, or brought so low by a bunch of jackals - and still dutifully paying taxes to fund a regime that they cannot control.
All to bring "democracy" to poor little Iraq. I'll be glad to see some democracy in the USA - soon maybe?
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Posted by: Reader11722 on May 9, 2007 1:33 PM
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» Kucinich and Gravel rate a mention and don't have the negative...
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Posted by: SteveB on May 9, 2007 1:45 PM
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"This government in Iraq so far has not produced anything they need to produce, beginning with the oil law followed on by the necessity for local elections, there is a whole variety of things that they know they need to do that they haven’t been able to do. There’s a growing frustration on a bipartisan basis here.”
And House Minority Leader John Boehner, speaking on the same subject:
"And whether it's the passage of their oil law, the redistribution of the oil wealth around Iraq, the Baathification law that they're looking at, the unification efforts, we're hoping they'll get their work finished."
Notice how “oil law” was the first item on both men’s “to-do” lists?
Since the "benchmarks" on the Iraqi government seem to be one thing the Democrats and Republicans can agree on, and "benchmarks" can be translated as: "new Iraqi oil law", I think we can expect to see both major parties join together in a “bipartisan” fashion to strong-arm the Iraqis into signing this gift to the oil industry. Sort of a “you hold him down while I kick him in the stomach” form of “bipartisanship.”
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» What a bummer... they're all bought and paid for, aren't they?
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Posted by: Krain61 on May 9, 2007 5:16 PM
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Just like if you vote down a tax a couple of times they just inpose a tax on you. Who said our law makers had to make a law when elected? Most of the time they tell us what they will do for us but maybe after getting elected 3 or 4 times they bring the issue back once again.
It's OK for the big drug companies to push there drugs on us but let you go out and do it and they do like the "Mafia"
And that is just what there doing in Iraq playing like the Mafia.
I think if the Iraqi's sign this Oil bill and the American's leave they should take it to a international court and get it thrown out because if was through coersion.{not sure of the splelling}
I am asshamed of what this country has and is still becoming.
I think soon we will see all the laws that bush signed start haunting us.I heard them say we asked for our rights to be taken away so we could be safe! I was never asked! Was you? Why is it that every where we go they start getting inflation? Look at gas prices from b4 we went to Iraq to now.. Hell look at ours!
If you look at what Corporations get from the government and the laws that imposed on us and watch the price you pay for different tthing related to the laws and companies you know you live with Hitler in change.
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Posted by: EdinSocal on May 9, 2007 5:24 PM
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Posted by: armybrat8 on May 9, 2007 7:09 PM
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First, they are over-simplifying the oil problem. It is true that the U.S. is more in favor of multinationals having a lot of access, and that would preclude nationalizing oil. But it is not as if the "nationalists" in this debate have the greatest of motives either. They hope that by nationalizing it they will outmaneuver the Kurds, who are sitting on all the oil and would like to have a large measure of control over it. What is clear is that a certain very militant segment of BOTH sides of this debate have death squads which go out at night and kill their opponents. Take that into consideration.
Few Iraqis favor partition, due to the Kurdish issue. Few Americans do either. People like Senator Biden need to read up on the Partition of India and Pakistan, or what happened last time we abritrarily drew boundaries in the Middle East. Look no farther than Palestine...
Be that as it may, there is a certain measure of politicking going on in Washington. Some things will need to be decided rather quickly, as there are lives at stake, American and Iraqi, every day we draw things out.
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Posted by: paul123 on May 10, 2007 8:29 AM
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The top U.S. commander in Iraq, depicted the situation there as “exceedingly complex and very tough” Thursday and said the U.S. effort might become more difficult before it gets easier”.
To General David Petraeus & Congress:
It’s Not Complex!
It’s Very, Very Simple!
(Simple Fact #1 )
The Bush/Cheney Administration Invades Iraq Based On Lies and Profit, Installs a Democracy With Bullets & Bombs, Creates an (Oil Rich) Shia Controlled Iraqi Government, Which Will Force 6 Million (Oil Empty) Sunnis To Choose Between Eating Sand or Setting Bombs!
(Simple Fact #2 )
Al-Qaeda and The People in the Middle East Do Not Hate Americans; Do Not Hate Our Freedoms, But They Do Hate, Very Much, Unfair U.S. Government Policies, Including Having Our Troops Marching On Their Sacred Land – Be It U.S. Troops or Soviet Troops!
To: General David Petraeus & Congress:
It’s Not Tough!
It’s Mission Impossible!
(Simple Fact #3 )
There Can Be and Will Be No End To The Civil War(s) in Iraq Until All U.S. Troops Are Removed From Iraq Because the U.S. Military Presence Delegitimizes Any Outcome! To Come To an Understanding of How Wealth and Power in Iraq Will be Shared, The Political Forces There Must Measure Their Relative Capacity and Will!
U.S. Diplomacy YES ! U.S. Military Intervention NO !
Support Senate Resolution S 759 IS Senator James Webb
PROHIBITS THE USE OF FUNDS FOR MILITARY OPERATIONS IN IRAN WITHOUT EXPRESS CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL
Support House Joint Resolution 14 Congressman Walter Jones
REQUIRING CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL PRIOR TO USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAN
Support H.R. 413 Congressman Sam Farr
LEGISLATION WHICH REPEALS THE IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION OF (2002) AND REQUIRES THE PRESIDENT TO START WITHDRAWING THE TROOPS!
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Posted by: TheStranger on May 10, 2007 10:11 AM
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http://ivangoldman.blogspot.com/
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» Yeah, good one! Play right into their hands...
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Posted by: blondvic on May 27, 2007 3:16 PM
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I cited your article at least a couple of times in my "wiki-resolution" to Iraq. I hope readers will register and weigh in. As far as I can figure out, we are the only place that leadership is going to come from.
www.straythecourse.org
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