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Who Won in Iraq? Iran Did -- Big Time

By Gary Brecher, The eXile. Posted May 7, 2007.


From the enormous advantage gained by Iran via our invasion of Iraq, you would think that Dick Cheney is a mole for the Ayatollah.

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A funny thing happened on the floor of the Senate the other day. Somebody asked a serious question: "If the war in Iraq is lost, then who won?"

Of course Sen. Lindsay Graham, the guy who asked the question, didn't mean it to be serious. He was just scoring points off Majority Leader Harry Reid, the world's only Democratic Mormon. Reid had made a "gaffe" by saying in public what everybody already knows: "The war in Iraq is lost." When you say something obviously true in politics, it's called a "gaffe."

So Graham jumps in to embarrass Reid with his question.

But let's take the question seriously for a second here: who won in Iraq? To answer it, you have to start with a close-up of the region, then change magnification to look at the world picture. At a regional level the big winner is obvious: Iran. In fact, Iran wins so big in this war I think that Dick Cheney's DNA should be checked out by a reputable lab, because he has to be a Persian mole. My theory is that they took a fiery young Revolutionary Guard from the slums of Tehran, dipped him in a vat of lye to get that pale, pasty Anglo skin, zapped his scalp for that authentic bald CEO look, squirted a quart of cholesterol into his arteries so he'd develop classic American cardiac disease, and parachuted him into the outskirts of some Wyoming town.

And that's how our VP was born again, a half-frozen zombie with sagebrush twigs in his jumpsuit, stumbling into the first all-night coffee shop in Casper talking American with a Persian accent: "Hello my friends! Er, I mean, hello my fellow Americans! Coffee? I will have coffee at once, indeed, and is not free enterprise a glorious thing? Say, O brethren of the frosty tundra, what do you say we finish our donuts and march on Baghdad now, this very moment, to remove the Baathist abomination Saddam?"

It took a couple tries for Cheney-ajad to get his American accent right and chew his way into Bush Jr.'s head, but he eventually got us to do the Iranian Ayatollahs' dirty work for them by taking out Iraq, their only rival for regional power. Iraq is destroyed, and Tehran hasn't lost a single soldier in the process. Our invasion put their natural allies, the Shia, in power; gave their natural enemies, the Iraqi Sunni, a blood-draining feud that will never end; and provided them with a risk-free laboratory to spy on American forces in action. If they feel like trying out a new weapon or tactic to deal with U.S. armor, all they have to do is feed the supplies or diagrams to one of their puppet Shia groups, or even one of the Sunni suicide-commando clans.

All these claims that Iran is helping the insurgents really make my head spin. Of course they're helping. They'd be insane if they weren't. If somebody invades the country next door, any state worth mentioning has to act. If Mexico got invaded by China, you better believe the U.S. would react. We'd lynch any president who didn't.

What really amazes me is how patient Iran has been about it, how quiet and careful. They've covered their tracks carefully and kept their intervention to R&D level: just enough to keep Iraq burning, and patiently test out news IEDs.

But that's the Persian way: behind all the yelling, they're sly, clever people. If Iranian intelligence really wanted to flood Iraq with weaponry that would turn our armored personnel carriers into well-insulated BBQs, they could have done it long ago. It's clear they're not doing that. They're smart enough to follow Napoleon's advice not to interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying himself -- and stockpiling the new IED designs on their side of the border in case we're stupid enough to invade.

The situation in Iraq right now is optimum for Iran. Iraq is like a nuclear reactor that they can control by inserting and removing control rods. If Shia/Sunni violence looks like cooling off, Tehran's agents, who have penetrated both sides of the fight, play the hothead in their assigned Sunni or Shia gangs and lobby for a spectacular attack on enemy civilians or shrines -- whatever gets the locals' blood up. Then, if things get too hot, which would mean the U.S. getting fed up and leaving, they drop a control rod into the reactor core by telling Sadr to call off his militia or letting the Maliki regime stage some ceremony for the TV crews, the kind that keeps the Bushies back in Ohio convinced it's all going to come out fine.

They need to keep us there, because -- makes me sick to say it but it's true -- our troops are now the biggest, strongest control rod the Persians are using to set the temperature of this war. They want us there as long as possible, stoking the feuds and making sure nobody wins. That's what we just did under Bush's new Iraq commander, Gen. Petraeus: switched sides, Shia to Sunni, because the Shia were getting too strong. Yeah, God forbid we should be unfair to the Sunnis, God forbid we should do anything to let somebody win. Let's just make Tehran happy by keeping the feud going another few centuries.

One thing Iran is pretty clearly not scared of is every American amateur's dream: a punitive U.S. invasion of Iran. In fact, like North Korea, their partner in the Axis of Evil, Iran is all but begging us to invade. Guys in junior high used to hold their chins out, tap them with a finger and say, "Come on, fucker, come on, hit me!" That's Iran now, chin out and begging for a right hook. Because with all the anti-armor know-how they've gained by now, they have traps waiting for us that would make Lara Croft's cave expeditions look like a backyard tea party. Even Cheney's team knows that, which is why they're talking about air raids on Iran these days, not invasion.

Another way countries can win in a regional war like this is from the money flooding in. The big winners of the Vietnam War were Thailand, Malaysia and Hong Kong. Thailand went from a failed state with a half-dozen insurgencies everywhere outside its central valley to a rich, happy tourist paradise during Nam. Modern Thailand is a country built on the backs and, uh, other body parts of its bar girls. Every time a GI spent his pay at the ping-pong shows in Bangkok, Thailand gained foreign exchange. The neon got brighter, the huts went split-level, and the Commie rebels swatting mosquitoes out there in the elephant grass started to feel a little foolish. Finally they said the Hell with it, bought suits and went Yuppie.

That's one way to beat an insurgency: bribe it. Unfortunately, the two neighboring states likely to benefit from the Iraq war are ... yup, those twin towers of evil, Syria and Iran. Just imagine how much money is flowing into their border provinces right now. Need any U.S.-issue supplies, weapons, toilet paper, or global positioning system units cheap? Just ask at any bazaar in Damascus or Tehran. Uncle Sam's guarantee of quality -- fell off the back of a two-and-a-half ton truck.

See, this is why I keep thinking Cheney's got to be an Iranian mole. How could he not see that a war in Iraq benefits noncombatant neighboring states? He had to know. He can't be that stup -- Wait, I withdraw the comment.

Some paranoids want to list Israel among the winners, but I don't see it. Perle, Feith and Wolfowitz thought invading Iraq would help Israel, or rather Likud, but like everything else these geniuses predicted, it didn't happen. Iraq was never a threat to Israel. Iran is. And Iran is much stronger now. Last summer's war with Hezbollah was one the Israelis didn't really want to fight, but Cheney insisted. That was the deal, I guess: the U.S. takes out Saddam, then you take out Hezbollah. Instead, the Israeli Defense Forces looked scared and weak in South Lebanon, so now Hezbollah and Iran are the poster-boys of every red-blooded Muslim kid on the planet.

Turkey, America's one real ally in the Middle East, is a huge loser in this war. America slapped them in the face, gave the Kurds a base to destabilize southeastern Turkey, and helped elect the first Islamist president in what used to be a proudly secular country. Happy now, Cheney, you Khomeini-loving, anti-American mole?

When you zoom farther out to look at the global picture, the question "Who won Iraq?" doesn't have such an obvious answer. It's much easier to see who lost: Us, and anybody who backed us. We looked invincible after taking out the Taliban. Not no more. If you use armored columns as stationary cops in enemy neighborhoods, you give the locals plenty of time to figure out their weak spots. That's what we did: gave the Arabs a trillion-dollar, multi-year seminar in how to defeat U.S. forces.

To find a winner in this war means looking outside the box, like they say -- or rather outside the theater of war. Because the winners are the countries smart enough to stay out of it.

A little historical perspective first. Who won the Thirty Years War? France and England, the European powers that stayed out or just dabbled. France played that war a lot like Iran has played this one: tinkered around, tampered, spied and whispered to all the contenders, but never risked a big chunk of money or force. Every country that took part lost, and the Germans, who had what you might call the home field disadvantage, lost most of all, up to a third of their population. So the Iraqis would win the Oscar for biggest losers here.

So the likely winner of a war like this is an up-n-coming world economic power that has been investing in its own economy while we blow a trillion -- yep, a trillion -- dollars on nothing. Not hard to figure out who the likely suspects are here.

The answer to "Who won Iraq?" is Iran in the short run, and in the long run, China and India.

While we flounder around in the Dust Bowl, they've been running up their reserves, putting the money into infrastructure and bullion. The moment you wait for in a setup like this is the inevitable alliance between the regional winner and the global winners. And voila, it's already happened: In February Iran and India signed a pipeline deal sending Iranian oil to the exploding Indian market, bypassing Bush's Saudi/U.S. petro-outpost. If it weren't for Pakistan, the pipeline would already be in place. And as you might have guessed, Iran and India are talking about how easily the pipeline can be looped over the Himalayas to China -- an overland route invulnerable to U.S. sea power.

Luckily Pakistan lies right across the route and Pakistan is so hopelessly messed up that the CIA and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) between them should be able to keep the black smoke pouring out of any section of line the Asiatics manage to finish.

But even that's bad news: we're reduced to a spoiler role, conspiring with the nastiest creeps in the world, the ISI, to keep our blood enemy Iran from forming a natural, inevitable market relationship with the two rising powers that have spent their money smart while we pissed it down the Tigris. A country as big and resilient as America can afford to lose a war now and then, especially when it's in a place like 'Nam, way off the trade routes. But a war like this ... I don't know.

What's worst is that the war has made us dumber. When Sen. Graham asked his question, "Who won Iraq?" he thought he was being clever. He thought we're too dumb and soft to face that question and its answers. Because there are answers, pretty grim ones. I just hope people are tough enough to start thinking about them.

Anyway, for those of you collecting guidelines, here's what I think are some general rules for "Who wins wars?"

1) In a big bloodbath like the Thirty Years War or WW I, the winner is usually the powers that don't fight, but dabble in spycraft and wet ops, meanwhile consolidating their own economic power. (Note: You could argue that America entered WW II fairly early and still came out ahead, but on the European front up to D-Day our role was supplying materiel to the Russians and letting them do the bleeding for us. On both fronts we were far from the action, so we could pick when and where we'd fight -- the next best thing to not fighting at all.

2) The biggest loser is almost always the country on whose territory the war is fought.

3) In a regional war, the big winner will be any neighboring states that can stay out of the war and work out supply contracts with the richer combatant (Thailand during 'Nam, Argentina in WWI, Switzerland in every war since Ur took on Ur South).

4) However, if there's an ethnic spillover, like Turkey has with the Kurds, this relationship can backfire.

5) The worst thing a major power can do is go to war alone for "moral" reasons. This is how medieval France wasted its huge advantages on pointless Middle Eastern crusades that did nothing but revitalize the Muslims and drive down the price of white slaves in the Cairo market.

Damn, another unbelievably infuriating deja vu deal: we end up wasting our armies in the deserts of the Middle East, just like the French. Except even the French were too smart to fall for it this time around.

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Gary Brecher writes for the English alternative weekly in Moscow, The eXile.

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Dead on!
Posted by: zyxwvut on May 7, 2007 1:26 AM   
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» RE: Dead on! Posted by: Bozwell
» RE: Dead on again! Posted by: flipside
Iran ain´t dumb
Posted by: ZPaul on May 7, 2007 1:32 AM   
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Yep, Iran´s leadership is a lot shrewder than many people think -- and its policies are in rather sharp contrast to the Bush administation´s disastrous activities in the area.

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» RE: Iran ain´t dumb Posted by: willymack
IDIOT!
Posted by: colinmeister on May 7, 2007 3:38 AM   
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Nuke Iran and you'll be paying 6+ bucks a gallon for gas.

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RE: Then there is only ONE SOLUTION!
Posted by: annm on May 7, 2007 3:42 AM   
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oops. someone can't read!! i suggest you go back and read the article again.

peace

annm

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well said, agent Cheney-ajad
Posted by: cold2touch on May 7, 2007 6:09 AM   
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how about finishing Iraq first?
But I forget, according to the unelected US ruler, this was a Mission Accomplished 4 years ago ...
so, let's repeat the succes.

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Are you insane?
Posted by: Knowmad on May 7, 2007 9:38 AM   
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Excuse me, but are you people actually discussing the price of gas, when the thread has to do with attacking yet another country and likely massacring hundreds of thousands of innocents?

I know your country is circling the drain, but this is too much: immoral, backward, criminally elitist and simply shameful. It's something I'd expect from your ignorant righties, not the supposedly progressive minded. Are you blind to what you've been doing lately, particularly over the last six years?

Perhaps it's not Iran who needs disipline by munitions - seems that's all some of you understand.

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That's what the teasonous PNAC neocons say, Temporary. Are you a traitor too?
Posted by: HughScott on May 7, 2007 11:05 AM   
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Ditto.

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RE: Then there is only ONE SOLUTION!
Posted by: flipside on May 7, 2007 11:59 AM   
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And then what? The US would be stupid to fire the entire arsenal off on Iran leaving itself vulnerable to the genuine nuclear players not to mention the very shallow laying oil fields in Iran catching fire and burning away without producing any useable energy instead creating a whole new meaning to global warming in an area that would be contaminated for hundreds of thousands of years.
That might be just the excuse Russia needs in order to step up their role in the theater. Russians stand behind Putin like no other russian leader since Kruschev, he has repeatedly claimed to want to restore Russia to the splendor it once possessed.
Even if no nation or nations dared to defy the US after such an attack, the reputation is ruined for decades, and when it's no longer cool to invest american, the foreign interests take their capital and leave which makes the nation ripe for financial isolation. Past allies rethink their alliances and in the end, the US loses because the cronies and flag wavers are chosen to lead instead of the best person for the job.
It would be delightful to live in a world where the simplest sounding solutions were a "sure thing", but as Einstein said, "The level of intelligence that caused this problem is not sufficient to solve it.".
Diplomatic relations may sound boring and a compromise always seems to be railed against as giving ground, but at the end of the day, the security of the world always depends on a certain level of respect for one another and this regime has proven times over that it has no respect for law, custom or even the truth.
Follow their lead at your own peril.
For history has always shown that such a financial drinking binge as the US has embarked upon winds up with one heckuva hangover, Brownie! The working people that have to work that one off will hold the symbols of the authoritarian/fascist accountable for some time to come.

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Who won?
Posted by: han on May 7, 2007 3:58 AM   
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The international money bankers, the chinese, the weapons industry and... BushCo won. Sure they lost popularity, who gives anything about _ratings_ _after_ the elections. They made shiploads of money, that's what counts.

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» RE: Who won? Posted by: willymack
Overlooking the obvious
Posted by: le_blanc on May 7, 2007 4:16 AM   
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The true winners of the so called Iraq war have nothing to do with flags, national boundaries, or political idealogies.

To name but a few:

Halliburton (check their profit charts for the past few years. Ask yourself why they're moving headquarters to United Arab Emirates if the owners are Americans. Visit this article for the scoop.

Blackwater Need an Army?... just pick up the phone!... (and buy some Blackwater stock while you're at it... ) More info...

Chevron
Exxon
Shell Oil
British Petroleum -- Read Joshua Holland's article from October 16, 2006, right here on AlterNet

The list goes on....

A good magician works great magic with a wonderful tool: distraction.

Anyone focusing on flags, nations, and idealogies will make an easy audience for the magicians who care not how many lives are destroyed.

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» RE: Overlooking the obvious Posted by: Veronique
No one. Everyone loses.
Posted by: Jim on May 7, 2007 4:15 AM   
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Generally wars are not won. Everybody loses. True this time.

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» not everyone, Posted by: kellysgarden
Iraq War Beneficiaries
Posted by: guybjones on May 7, 2007 4:54 AM   
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The military industrial complex seems to doing quite well as a result of the war. Northrop Grumann, General Dynamics, United Technologies, Raytheon, Boeing, et al. are reaping solid profits as a result. Just think of all the munitions and equipment that is being used up over there and has to be replaced continuously. Is is distinctly in their interest to perpetuate this conflict (and other fronts in the "war on terror") for as long as is feasible.

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Get over it, Democrats. The Iraq War was never lost.
Posted by: HughScott on May 7, 2007 5:06 AM   
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Because it wasn’t winnable in the first place. And not because President Bush rushed our troops into Iraq without just cause, proper equipment, adequate peacekeeping training or a viable exit strategy.

Gulf War 2 was doomed to failure when Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Don Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz first advocated regime change in 1997 -- the year they formed the rightwing subversive organization, Project for a New American Century, commonly called ”PNAC.” Bush is connected to PNAC through his brother, Jeb, one of the original 25 founders.

PNAC's 1997 Statement of Principles contains the following sentence: "The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire." Even so, despite the cautious guardian goal, PNAC published a 90-page report prior 9/11 titled, "Rebuilding America's Defenses," that contained just one reference to global terrorism: a throwaway line which equated terrorists with organized crime.

The PNAC gang began planning regime change during the Clinton years. Eerily they predicted an attack on Iraq would be supported by the American people after suffering a “catastrophic and catalyzing Pearl Harbor-type event" (PNAC's words). Thus, to the neocon cabal, 9/11 was an excuse to attack Iraq, not a cause.

PNAC made its imperialist goal crystal clear on Sep. 20, 2001, with a letter to President Bush, which said in part: "It may be that the Iraqi government provided assistance in some form to the recent attack on the United States. But even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power."

Yet, despite that statement and the intimate involvement of key White House officials, Democrats in Congress seldom mention PNAC and have no plans to investigate the obtrusive neocon organization. To the sleepwalking Dems, “PNAC” is a snack food candy bar.

The press is not immune from criticism, either. When I began researching PNAC in early 2006, the online archives of my home newspaper, the Los Angeles Times, showed just two articles since 1997 with the keyword “PNAC.”

In sum, the blind eye shown to PNAC by our media and Democrats in Congress, including Harry Reid and Nancy, is appalling. It’s like memorializing the attack on Pearl Harbor without mentioning who did the bombing.

For AlterNet visitors unfamiliar with PNAC who desire more information, visit my non-profit investigative website, FreedomCentralUSA.com.

Bloggers spooled up on PNAC will appreciate an alphabetical list of 225 members (called “signatories”), including Democrat hawks with liberal skins, such as former Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright.

PNAC signatories currently in the Bush administration included:

Elliott Abrams, Representative for Middle Eastern Affairs
Seth Cropsey, Director of Voice of America
Paula Dobriansky, Undersecretary of State for Global Affairs
Bruce Jackson, U.S. Committee on NATO
Peter Rodman, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intl. Security
Randy Scheunemann, DOD advisor to Secretary Rumsfeld
Robert Zoelick, Deputy Secretary of State

Former Bush administration PNAC members include:

Dick Armitage
Kenneth Adelman
John Bolton
Francis Fukuyama
Richard Perle
Dov Zakheim

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz, the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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Rumsfeld, too.
Posted by: douglashoyt on May 7, 2007 5:10 AM   
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Rumsfeld move his money out of the USA some time ago, into Euro's.

This article is more true than I would like to believe.

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Look at the article from the other side of the argument
Posted by: bob357 on May 7, 2007 5:52 AM   
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Actually you can see the logic from China, India and Russia's point of view. They would rather see a multipolar world where the USA is one of a number of competing power centres. What a golden opportunity to bring the USA down a peg (or several in one go) while the US has a moron as leader with a team of blood thirsty cowards who have avoided any actual service in the armed forces but are happy to sent other peoples sons and daughters to their deaths in pursuit of their PNAC!

Maybe for the rest of the world the more the US's strength is wasted and bled the better for peace loving people everywhere else! (Including the majority of the US's population who have been misled and used and abused by the power elite in the US)

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» You still don't get it! Posted by: flipside
» You nailed it, flipside. Posted by: HughScott
Totally right
Posted by: Bobsays on May 7, 2007 6:38 AM   
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War must never be entered into lightly. This is the biggest mistake liberals make. That is why there is no such thing as 'nice' war to help people. You only go to war when it is your direct interests at stake. And when you do, you fight to win. Anything less and your enemies will learn, and come back at you and bite your ass. That is reality.

America needs to wake up and realise that yes, it is in charge of the world's security. America makes sure it is reasonably safe for planes to fly, for people to do business in peace. And that means showing no mercy to anyone who threatens that. And that means fighting it like we did in WWII. You area bomb if that is what it takes.

Security never comes free and mincing guilt freeks are putting the whole world under grave threat.

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» RE: Totally right Posted by: ateo
» Total Doublespeak bob Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: Totally wrong Posted by: Ripcord
» RE: Totally right Posted by: leafsong1
» yah... what he said!!!!! Posted by: elfinito
» RE: yah... what he said!!!!! Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: yah... what he said!!!!! Posted by: elfinito
RE: America lost because America lacks the will to do what is necessary to win
Posted by: brunowe on May 7, 2007 7:00 AM   
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So you propose winning an unjustifiable war by genocide?

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absurd on so many levels
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 7, 2007 7:39 AM   
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First of all your post is full of some pretty serious contradictions. First you say we should have completely leveled cities like Falluja. Fuel air bombs you say! (As if blanketing the land with DU wasn't enough?) Then you say we need to start up a draft? WTF do we need a draft for, to use people as bombs?

And I don't suppose it matters to you that the republicans played themselves off as allies of the Iraqi people. You know, liberators? SO MY REAL QUESTION IS, HOW CAN WE BE ALLIES AND AT THE SAME TIME BOMB THEM TO SMITHEREENS? I wouldn't expect an answer to that, because if you could give a logical answer to questions like that, then you wouldn't have your Hitlerian worldview to begin with. Since you mentioned Prozac, I feel it important to ask... are you on it?

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» RE: right on Iconoclast Posted by: Ripcord
RE: America lost because America lacks the will to do what is necessary to win
Posted by: mommy64 on May 7, 2007 8:35 AM   
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"Just wipe it off the face of the Earth and leave every man, woman and child dead. We would continue to do this in every area of the country that gives us trouble until the will of the people is completely and utterly broken." Why should Americans behave so horribly because someone else might? Additionally, you have "axis[ed] of evil," the whole of China and Russia. Bush II got oil contracts, and "Halliburton, Blackwater, Chevron, Exxon, Shell Oil, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamic, United Technoloby, Raytheon, Boeing, AND British Petroleum," celebrate their triumph at a tax-payer-funded White House dinner this evening. Twenty-four air bases, property of the people of Iraq, built by U.S. contractors, manned by United States authority, are positioned to attack other countries, an out-post attack station, one that deflects from its source, The United States of America, in legion with its collaborators, including Supreme Court member enablers, to extent, repeating Nazi Germany, 1933-45.

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» agreed mommy64 Posted by: Ripcord
But what about the OIL
Posted by: james2021 on May 7, 2007 9:25 AM   
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THAT is the only reason we are there, and to make profits for the Industrial/Military complex. Only way to have an ever increasing profit stream is to have a War Without End. And that is exactly what The NeoCons wanted. America will be bled dry, all for the sake of Money to the Rich. This is not a liberal ideal. it is a Repugwican ideal.

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» RE: But what about the OIL Posted by: mommy64
» RE: But what about the OIL Posted by: mommy64
Don’t attack us, ateo. Blame the bastards who got America into Iraq -- the treasonous PNAC neocons.
Posted by: HughScott on May 7, 2007 10:35 AM   
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Ditto.

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The failure in winning the social front
Posted by: chomsky on May 7, 2007 11:23 AM   
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Iraq is no good for anyone if all of it's cities are destroyed and all of it's people killed. Who would want to occupy and rebuild a country like that? That would create far more problems then solutions. The massacre of Falluja and others like it would inspire countless Muslims in the world to devote their lives to fighting the savage and unholy cruelty of the US super power. Fundamentalist Muslim would cease to be a fringe group, because they would now have hard evidence of the West's evil.

Iraq cannot be won by a purely military solution.

The war should have been fought on an equally strong social front along with the military front. The key would be to get the average Iraqi to approve of US intervention, to see us as a benevolent giant. Besides strategic military action (which are an important front), we needed equally strong social actions. Recruit the most brilliant and qualified (not the most right-wing loyal) minds in America to build hospitals, power plants, create new jobs, etc. Have the best American professionals train Iraqi professionals in every field. Have the president tell the American people that it is their duty to help Iraq in every constructive way they can because it is ultimately in the best interest of the US as well.

The president must tell the people that terrorists are the enemy, AND our ally is the average Iraqi citizen, who are a people of faith who love their families and seek a better future not unlike most Americans. Winning the social front of the Iraq war would require the most brilliant minds America has to offer working towards a common goal. And the result, if done right, would be replacing a dictatorship with a shining America friendly democracy in the heart of the Middle East, new found respect and pride for America, and a life with hope for the Iraqi people. A goal worth endeavoring.

Winning the social front in Iraq, which would require military actions against Soddam and insurgents, would of course mean not torturing or massacring anyone.

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» sensible suggestions chomsky Posted by: Ripcord
» correction Posted by: chomsky
We leveled Falluja yet it is as violent as ever
Posted by: sarahk on May 7, 2007 11:58 AM   
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Keep up with the war news. We leveled Falluja and killed enough people so that we had to dig a mass grave and dump bodies in with bulldozers.
The interesting thing was that for a couple weeks before we invaded Falluja, we put a tight ring on the city and only let women and children out. Any boy over 14 had to stay in the city and was not allowed through the US checkpoints, therefore many mothers chose to stay in the city to avoid being separated from their older sons. When we went in, our estimates (the estimates given to the US media by our military) said that there were only 30,000 people in the city. Non-US estimates put the total of population left at 300,000. Once we started bombing, we exploded the hospital very early on, because some higher-ups was annoyed with the propaganda stories of horribly wounded families streaming in to the facility. Bombing the building stopped that "propaganda" dead. Meanwhile, there was speculation that most professional fighters, insurgents, ect... had already left the city before the invasion by swimming the Tigris river and evading the US checkpoints--something that would be more difficult for family groups to do. Our military was against going into Falluja, but our politicians thought it would be cool for us to take down the city.
The problem is not that the US is not violent enough in its methods, the problem is that now, with our lose of global respect and prestige, we only seem to have violence left as a method to motivate other countries to do as we wish.

Also, please remember that Saddam was propped up for many years by the US. He was our big buddy; our weapon to use against Iran. Remember when Rumsfield was the Chief Envoy to Baghdad and gave him a BIG hug in the photo op. In the 80's we sent him all kinds of biological warfare (anthrax and botiulism(sp?)) from the CDC, and over many years, our military gave him the co-ordinates he needed to gas Iranians and Kurds more effectively.

Also, you need to read up about the rise and fall of great empires, such as Rome and Great Britian and Spain. Genocide is and has been used many times by empires, but it has never stopped an empire from collapsing. Commiting Genocide is usually a sign that an empire is nervous about it's power. It is a symptom of the agressor nation destroying itself from the inside out. It represents a lose of the humanity of the agressor empire and a crumbling of its peoples' moral clarity.

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RE: America lost because America lacks the will to do what is necessary to win
Posted by: Fade on May 7, 2007 12:10 PM   
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What a fucking pyscho. Yes, what we need is more hitleresque genocidal activity. We need to have our troops rape more citizens, shoot more 5 year old kids in the head. That'll teach these dirty ragheads to defend their country.

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» Ripcord you can't even spell! Posted by: sheena2u
You sick mass-murdering psychotic freak.
Posted by: johndoraemi on May 7, 2007 3:47 PM   
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"What we must do is go into a city like Falluja that has given us so many problems and level it to the ground."

They did, Herr Goering. You just are ignorant of it.

Your philosophy is indistinguishable from Nazi ideology.

Your criminal mindset is disgraceful, and you are without any moral legitmacy.

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RE: America lost because America lacks the will to do what is necessary to win
Posted by: mythbuster on May 7, 2007 4:11 PM   
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It's been difficult for you since they disbanded the SS, hasn't it?

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Ateo
Posted by: famouspipeliner on May 7, 2007 4:34 PM   
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You fascist pig.

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In the minds of the right-wing fascists, they only wanted what Adolf wanted
Posted by: chief of okeefe on May 7, 2007 6:30 PM   
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Thank you to ateo for, once again, letting a little of the neo-con warmonger mindset get exposed in public. Usually, you have to get a bunch of them alone, away from decent people, to hear talk like this.

As you can see from his writing, it was never about that phony "liberation" of Iraq. It was about conquest and subjugation. The same thing that Nazi Germany did to Poland in 1939. Oh sure, before the German attack, the German airwaves were clogged with BS about how Poland was threatening Germany, conspiring with the West to attack, mistreating German minorities (actually somewhat true). Any pretext to provide cover for a simple war of agression.

Once you get inside their heads, the neo-con repubs are Nazis who still need to get just a little more power before they can "turn it loose" and impose dictatorship and mass murder-- on their opposition at home, and, of course, the rest of planet earth.

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RE: America lost because America lacks the will to do what is necessary to win
Posted by: leafsong1 on May 8, 2007 8:11 AM   
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You belong in prison for having posted this. You are an enemy of the Human Race and it is the right and the duty of every member of the Human Race to hunt you down and kill you like a dog. Your crime is the same as that of Goebbels and the rest of the nazi genocide mongers, except your crime comes long after the world made it explicitly illegal. Do the world a favor and die and go to Hell, where you can join your skank whore mother.

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Blood enemies?
Posted by: phindrup on May 7, 2007 6:03 AM   
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to keep our blood enemy Iran from forming a natural, inevitable market relationship ?????

Only because idiot Bush and his clique named them so!

There are private/company winners in this mess, all leading back to idiot Bush and his clique.

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» not a completely closed loop Posted by: Ripcord
Iran pulling America's chain, but then so is Osama and the AQ boys
Posted by: Bobsays on May 7, 2007 6:33 AM   
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America has walked blindly into every blind alley laid before it like a drunk on a Vegas bender (who hasn't done that?). America needs to start talking to people who think like these guys do. People who have read Clauswitz, Mao's Little Red Book, and learned a lesson or two from the Vietnam War. Instead, America is lead by a toxic combination of the rah rah crowd and the kind of guy who gets every leg up in life from his dad.

America is now on a bloody and painful journey. It is not even at the halfway point. Take a deep breath, pour yourself a big mint julip and make a lot lof ong-term plans: it is going to get rough.

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ALTERNET FINALLY...
Posted by: Scientz on May 7, 2007 6:41 AM   
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...prints the War Nerd.

About time...

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» Actually ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Actually ... Posted by: Fade
Not just Iran
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 7, 2007 7:00 AM   
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China and Russia also won. I suppose, France and Germany got consolation prizes. And hell, while we're at it just about every OPEC nation and every OECD exporter....

And it's not over yet. The Iraqis are sitting on many trillions worth of oil. At least $10 trillion at today's prices. $50 trillion is probably a much more realistic number. With money like that at stake, do not be surpised when nukes start going off within that country.

Every country wants a piece of that oil pie. It's something to keep in mind. If we're forced to pull out, others will move in. The surprising thing is that you rarely hear the rethugs use that talking point. Yet it is a very simple truth. (I guess that's why they dont use it!) They are still so far in denial that they have not yet accepted the cynical position their elite leaders have forced upon them. Sooner or later, they will have to come out and admit it was all about oil, but for now they can only flop around like fishies out of water.

Meanwhile, the gap between reality and rhetoric is not shrinking.

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King God, George W. Bush
Posted by: LANCE on May 7, 2007 7:53 AM   
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We should nuke the shit out of every GD Nation who doesn't bow down to their master, King God, George W. Bush and lick his feet.
hahahaha.......

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» Hugh has a heart Posted by: Ripcord
If we won..sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on May 7, 2007 8:44 AM   
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I'd sure as hell hate to see how Iraq would look if we lost.

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» lost-schmost--win-schwinn Posted by: Ripcord
» RE: lost-schmost--win-schwinn Posted by: sheena2u
King God sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on May 7, 2007 8:48 AM   
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Lance, that is EXACTLY what Bush is dreaming of

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Did you see? Dealer does drugs and sells off what's left of the Iraqi family joolz on Ebay
Posted by: skolya on May 7, 2007 9:00 AM   
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You gotta hand it to her, to her, at last, a little levity in these dreary days, where the blame goes where it belongs for once and for all!

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Brute Force Doesn't Solve Conflicts....
Posted by: Michael Boldin on May 7, 2007 9:29 AM   
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it only creates more problems. For example, force in Iraq and Afghanistan has created more hatred against this country, raised the threat against us, brought us to the point of economic ruin and on and on and on....

Now we have to "worry" about Iran too? The absurdity of it knows no bounds...

It's the use of force that Bush, Co (and the entire government) must move away from. Then, and only then, will we have peace and prosperity.

A good read on this issue:

The Bush Doctrine: Selective Bullying - click here

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Who lost?
Posted by: mistery509 on May 7, 2007 9:35 AM   
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The war is lost. The families who lost their sons and daughters for a useless war lost. The soldiers who lost their brains and their limbs lost. The thousands innocent Iraqie people who where slaughtered lost. Iraq, a historic beautiful country lost.
The world, standing by and letting this happen lost.

Yet, the worms who caused this disaster are out there riding high with their Texan hats and their crooked smiles.

Have a happy day, folks!

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Israel is the biggest winner
Posted by: rwa on May 7, 2007 11:02 AM   
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”Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat (is) and actually has been since 1990 – it's the threat against Israel,”…”And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell,” - Phillip Zelikow – President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), 2001 – 2003

“A stronger Israel is very much imbedded in the rationale for war with Iraq. The destruction of Saddam’s Iraq will not only remove an enemy of long standing, but will also change the basic power equation in the region.” - Joe Klein Time Magazine, Feb 5, 2003

"American Jews are responsible for pushing the country to war with Iraq"…"If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this,"
Congressman James P. Moran Jr., Virginia

“Those who favor this attack {against Iraq} now will tell you candidly, and privately, that it is probably true that Saddam Hussein is no threat to the United-States. But they are afraid at some point he might decide if he had a nuclear weapon to use it against Israel.” - General Wesley Clark, August 2002

“The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history” – Ari Shavit, April 5, 2003 Haaretz News Service-Israel

“With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The answer: President Bush’s policy to secure Israel.” “My own answer is that the lie (that a massively-armed Iraq posed a grave and imminent threat to the U.S) was fabricated by the neo-conservatives in the administration whose first loyalty is to Israel and its interests and who wanted the United-States to smash Iraq because it was the biggest potential threat to Israel in the region. They are known to have been pushing for the war with Iraq since at least 1996, but they could not make an effective case for it until after Sept 11, 2001..” – Senator Ernest F. Hollings, U.S. Senator South Carolina–May 2004

“For whose benefit these endless wars in a region that holds nothing vital to America save oil, which the Arabs must sell us to survive? Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam? Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud.” Patrick Buchanan, March 2004

“What has been happening over the years is a predictable routine of foreign visitation from the head of the Israeli government. The Israeli puppeteer travels to Washington. The Israeli puppeteer meets with the puppet in the White House, and then moves down Pennsylvania Avenue, and meets with the puppets in Congress. And then takes back billions of taxpayer dollars. It is time for the Washington puppet show to be replaced by the Washington peace show.” – Ralph Nader, consumer advocate, author and independent Presidential candidate, July 2004

“For Bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was one reason everyone could agree on…“I’m not concerned about weapons of mass destruction.” - Dept Sec of Defense Paul Wolfowitz

“My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel” – Cindy Sheehan, mother of Spc. Casey Sheehan, 24, killed in Baghdad on April 4, 2004

“The Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.” - Mahathir Mohammed, Prime Minister of Malaysia, October 2003

“Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, October 8th, 2001

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» RE: Israel is the biggest winner Posted by: wolfdaughter
A Little WW2 History might Help!
Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive on May 7, 2007 11:41 AM   
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Dippy statement.
"(Note: You could argue that America entered WWII fairly early and still came out ahead, but on the European Front up to D-Day our role was supplying materiel to the Russians and letting them do all the bleeding for us. On both fronts we were far away from the action and that allowed us to pick where and when to commit money and troops, so the generalization still holds: the further away you are, the better.)"

1) America entered WW2 as late as we could. WW2 started in Sep 1939. We entered in Dec 1941.

2) Gosh, don't think you should overlook North Africa, Sicily, and Italy where we lost thousands.

Very weak on History, don't you think?

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» The History you don't know Posted by: gclef88
RON PAUL in 2008!!!
Posted by: anonimus1 on May 7, 2007 12:34 PM   
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I want to introduce you to Republican 2008 presidential candidate congressman Ron Paul, and his political views –

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

Yes, he’s a REPUBLICAN. Hard to believe, I know.

The main thing is, he wants to get rid of the IRS and also the corporate-owned Federal Reserve’s management of US currency. Nothing could possibly do more to improve the long-term standard of living for anyone living in the USA. No more run-away inflation of the US dollar.

He’s very much Christian, but he doesn’t believe the Federal government should be getting involved in people’s personal lives (abortion, gay marriage, religion in schools, etc). He’d like states to vote on those issues on their own.

He’s against war with Iran. He prefers trading with other countries to enhance diplomacy, rather than going to war with them.

He’s already produced several bills to alleviate the costs of health care. He’s a practicing doctor.

He’s not getting much news coverage, but he’s what I feel most people are looking for in this country.

Just thought you should be introduced, if you haven’t already.

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» RE: ON PAUL in 2008!!! Posted by: Bobsays
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» RE: ON PAUL in 2008!!! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Ron Paul is full of shit Posted by: Darrell Kern
IRAN HAS A LONG HISTORY WITH THEU.S.
Posted by: new world water on May 7, 2007 1:19 PM   
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First we put in the Shaw of Iran and then after the revolt we undermine his replacement. Then we arm Sadam to fight them and then we get rid of Sadam. We lie to the Saudi's about Sadam massing troops at their border under a previous Chaney stint with the promise the troops would leave after the threat is gone. The troops are still there. We now have Iran pretty much surrounded with troops in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Kuwait and Turkey. Who knows what we have in Turkmanistan but this is another nutbag who has statues of himself all over the country in a Las Vegas kind of show. Add to that three aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf and some kind of Syrian and Egyptian connection since somehow we send people there for torture and it's no wonder these people are trying to do something to keep us at bay. The Iranians know full well that the Caspian Sea pipeline would be much smoother if it ran through Iran and that Pakistan is a reluctant partner to the U.S. and they have Nukes. Taking whose version of God is correct out of the equation it seems the only way to keep the U.S. out of your affairs is through a Nuclear threat. Those in possesion of Nukes get diplomacy like North Korea and those without get occupied. We claim to find Iranian arms in Iraq but I wonder how many U.S. arms have been found over the years in Iran? I don't claim that Iran is a shining example to the world but faced with the countless years of U.S. intrusion in the region and the occupations that have resulted it seems foolish to think that they would just stand by and wait for their turn at occupation to come. Both Democrats and Republicans openly speak of protecting U.S. interests in the entire region meaning we're getting the oil one way or another, and Iran unfortunately for them has alot of oil. Funny how we seem to find the need to spread demacracy and freedom only in the places that have some natural resource we want or someplace with strategic military value.We here in the "Homeland" only get the prapaganda version of things supplied by the now corporate media. We need to wake up.

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punctuation is your best friend.
Posted by: ShoShenQ on May 7, 2007 1:45 PM   
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the use of paragraphs is your best friend.

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» RE: and a lot of white space Posted by: Ripcord
It's All About $$$, and America, You are Now China's BIT@!
Posted by: sofla100 on May 7, 2007 3:57 PM   
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Take a look at today's headlines and you will find Alcoa making a bid for a Canadian Aluminum Producer. Alcoa was very clear that they need to do this to have a chance against mega companies in Russia and the Far East. The Chinese stock market coughed a little bit, back in February, and the USA markets teetered. Back again to today, and regular gas pushes over US$3.00 a gallon. But, America, we have it together right? Yes, America can outfit it's 18 year olds in sleek combat vests, give them high powered rifles, and put them in jet fighters and send them to Iraq. How incredibly stupid America is. The old ways of war, the guns, the bombs, that is passe, that is so 20th century. The new ways of war are the mega mergers, control of commodities and the markets, control of oil and natural resources. And, America is losing very badly. It started with free trade and the idiots fixated on the "great glories of globalization." Now, coming to today, China sits on over USA$1 trillion in its banks and vaults. They lift a finger, and America's money supply, it's economy, and it's markets, collapse like a house of cards. Want to know what that would be like? Just start reading about the Great Depression. As for America, yes, you better send your kids to keep the oil supply pipelines open, to keep "the markets" working for us, or "we" (in China) might just shut you down, teach you a lesson or two about who the real boss now is.

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Unfortunate bullshit points.
Posted by: johndoraemi on May 7, 2007 4:00 PM   
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Demonizing nations as "evil" is not a legitimate starting point. The worst part of this article is its through-the-looking-glass understanding of what has happened in Iraq.

"If Shia/Sunni violence looks like cooling off, Tehran's agents, who have penetrated both sides of the fight, play the hothead in their assigned Sunni or Shia gangs and lobby for a spectacular attack on enemy civilians or shrines -- whatever gets the locals' blood up. "

How convenient nothing in this opinion piece requires any substantiation.

But, numerous attacks have been sponsored by Western intelligence services. From US army placing car bombs in detained motorists' vehicles and sending them to police stations for "paperwork," to the British SAS murdering Iraqi policemen in Basra while driving a car bomb dressed as Arabs, to the British levelling the jail where their agents were being held for outright terrorism and murder, to Israeli agents torturing prisoners in Abu Ghraib -- this article is in denial of who really has been pulling the strings and "pushing the rods" in Iraq.


"Then, if things get too hot, which would mean the U.S. getting fed up and leaving, they drop a control rod into the reactor core by telling Sadr to call off his militia or letting the Maliki regime stage some ceremony for the TV crews, the kind that keeps the Bushies back in Ohio convinced it's all going to come out fine."

What utter nonsense. The US regime will NEVER leave. That's why they went in. To NEVER leave. That's where the action is, the military bases, the oil. This ignorant article is a rambling rant by a confused pundit.

Iran controls little to nothing in Iraq. Their representatives are snatched and taken away to be lovingly questioned with power drills. This article completely misrepresents the situation on the ground.

Don't buy it. Legitimate authors have sources, and they can corroborate everything they say. They don't rely on the reader's absolute trust and blind following along.

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An issue I replied to on this thread that deserves a more visible posting.
Posted by: HughScott on May 7, 2007 4:22 PM   
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In my response to Fade about the motives behind U.S. foreign aid, I argued that oil was only one consideration.

Case at point, English-speaking India, which is gobbling up American jobs for less wages and inferior working conditions.

AlterNet readers should know that most U.S. aid recipients are initially determined by Freedom House (FH) -- a quasi-government nonprofit foundation that assigns “freedom ratings” to targeted countries.
India received a favorable freedom rating despite 25 million people living in abject poverty because of the nation's cruel caste system. Apparently FH believes bottom-class citizens in India are free to be poor.

Not coincidentally, numerous PNAC signatories have chaired the Freedom House Board of Directors, such as:

Kenneth Adlemann
Max Kampelman
Steve Forbes (PNAC founder)
Jeanne Kirkpatrick (PNAC founder)
Anthony Lake
Bette Bao Lord
Mark Palmer
Peter Rodman
Arthur Waldron
Ruth Wedgood
James Woolsey

One more thing. Freedom House is partially funded with Treasury dollars funneled to it by the National Endowment of Democracy (NED), a neocon front organization managed by PNAC founders Francis Fukuyama and Vin Weber.

Finally, the NED has been repeatedly attacked by Republican candidate for president in 2008, Ron Paul, who called it “unpatriotic.”

Hugh E. Scott, the editor of King-George.biz, the ONLY website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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Did the AlterNet get permission from the author (Gary Brecher) to edit his article?
Posted by: Pat Kittle on May 7, 2007 4:49 PM   
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I am familiar with Gary Brecher's column.

He calls himself the "war nerd" and he makes no secret of having a rather unfortunate Machiavellian attitude toward war (and life in general).

For example, in his original article at one point he said, "So if you cared about the Iraqis, which I don't and neither do you..."

Elsewhere he said, "Another lesson in the Brecher Doctrine: Nuke 'em, bribe 'em or leave 'em alone."

Again, did the AlterNet get permission to edit his original article?

Suggestion: If you edit articles, state so clearly when you do.

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We are doomed
Posted by: TWilliams on May 7, 2007 6:23 PM   
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Trying to get radical Arabs to like Americans is like trying to get Nazi's to love the Jews. It is just not going to happen - even if the US completely pulls out of the Middle East. Islamic fundamentalists have hard core beliefs and just like with the Nazi's the only way to solve the problem is to defeat them - completely.

People who post here do not understand this though. They want to appease Arabs in every way shape and form. In the end we will all pay if we cave in to them. The Arabs have been trying to invade western society for thousands of years. It is not going to stop. Just look at what is happening in Europe. Countries like Sewden, Denmark, the UK and France have huge populations of Arabs that have brought riots and tons of crime. The only way it will end to the appeasers is when the Arabs take total control.

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He speaks Libertarian now...but will the Repubs let it happen if he gets more attention?
Posted by: elfinito on May 7, 2007 6:35 PM   
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He is too much of a true conservative...the neo-cons that run the repub. party now will not tolerate it.

Even if he somehow pulled off the nomination...the political game would begin, and any attemtps anything meaningful will be stifled by the neo-cons.

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Norway
Posted by: Aussie Kim on May 7, 2007 7:34 PM   
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What Norway knows and the US must learn

"US SECRETARY of State Condoleezza Rice's "hello" to the Iranian Foreign Minister and her brief "businesslike" meeting with the Syrian Foreign Minister at the international conference on Iraq in Egypt have generated considerable international attention. I join those who see these two gestures as small but significant steps towards a more rational American foreign policy in the Middle East.

It is important to acknowledge when the United States does something sensible in the world, because this happens relatively rarely in the Middle East. In this case, Washington is showing important new strains of maturity, realism and composure that have long been absent from its arsenal. Whatever the reason for the slow revisions in American policy, the change is to be welcomed. Those to whom the United States says hello should respond with a gracious "and hello to you too, Ma'am," so that simple courtesies can quickly move towards serious dialogue that leads to meaningful diplomatic negotiations for mutually satisfying policy changes on all sides..."

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By the way, "terror" (asymmetric warfare) can be highly effective too.
Posted by: zyxwvut on May 7, 2007 8:23 PM   
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An interesting personal vignette about Yale Skull & Bones, PNAC and Freedom House.
Posted by: HughScott on May 7, 2007 9:38 PM   
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In 1958, I was an Air Force intelligence officer in Washington D.C., where I worked with the CIA before it moved to Langley, VA.

That same year I married my soul mate, Jean Stevens. The best man at our wedding was my USAF roommate, a member of the famed Yale Skull & Bones House of Lord. For privacy concerns, I will call my old roomie “Frank.”

I wrote “famed” House of Lord because it has six Bonesmen in its family history book along with the Yale graduation dates, as follows:

1854: George de Forest Lord
1898: Franklin Atkins Lord
1922: William Galey Lord
1929: Oswald Bates Lord, husband of Mary Pillsbury of the Minnesota based Pillsbury Flour Corporation who was a delegate to the United Nations during the Eisenhower administration.
1949: Charles Edwin Lord, former Comptroller of the Currency, Department
of the Treasury
1959: Winston Lord, son of Oswald, Reagan ambassador to China.

With “Frank” as my host, I met Winston Lord after a Yale-Princeton football game in the company of another Yale preppy with a famous last name, Peter Duchin –- son of the great keyboard maestro, Eddy. Peter later became a masterful piano player in his own right.

Fast forward to 2005. That year after finishing my first nonfiction book, George Dub-ya Bush, THE PHONY FIGHTER PILOT, I began a sequel with the intention of investigating Shrub’s notorious Yale fraternity, Skull & Bones.

For help, I asked Frank Lord to arrange an interview for me with Winston as an anonymous S&B source. To my shocked surprise, not only did Frank turn me down, he issued a stern warning to leave the fraternity alone. Yeah, that would work, threatening a Vietnam veteran with a stubborn pilot personality.

Suspicious of Winston Lord when he was the U.S. ambassador to China in the late 1980s, I read some of his speeches from that era. In one talk, he advocated favored nation trade status for Red China even though thousands of Chinese dissidents had been imprisoned and murdered after the Tianemen Square uprising.

Winston also assured audiences during the Reagan years that free trade agreements like NAFTA would be good for working Americans. A false promise, it turned out.

Challenged by Frank Lord's warning, I continued my investigation and eventually uncovered the PNAC connection to Freedom House (mentioned in an earlier comment of mine on this thread).

Lo and behold, the chairman emeritus of the Freedom House Board of Directors was PNAC signatory Bette Bao Lord, famed Chinese author and prominent human rights activist – also the wife of Winston Lord. As soon as I saw her name, I knew why Frank threatened me.

The realization made me blow my stack. My first thought was, Screw you, Frank, and the high horse you rode in on!

I had good reason to be enraged. It was as clear as a Waterford wineglass why my best man and former friend told me not to investigate the fabled Lord family. He was afraid I would learn about Bette Bao’s connection to PNAC.

Later that day, I found an example of Mrs. Lord’s forked tongue, two-faced social activism. It happened in December 1997, after she addressed a Washington gathering of Chinese dissidents in exile and other protesters of the human rights violations in China. That evening, Bette Bao attended a White House state dinner honoring their evil tormentor, Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

She later explained her treacherous duplicity as “choosing to show President Jiang that people who disagree in America are not threats to stability.” Yeah, right. Like Martin Luther King choosing to show national stability by giving one of his famous freedom speeches, then attending a KKK meeting afterwards. I don't think so.

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The U.S. Won the War
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on May 8, 2007 6:01 AM   
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George Bush told us as much several years ago after landing on the carrier deck in San Diego Harbor. The U.S. invaded and conquered Iraq hands down with almost no opposition.

The Bush administration then totally botched the occupation of Iraq (though in fairness an occupation of a foreign nation is a terrible idea and probably difficult not to botch). What should be ended is not a war, but a failed and extremely costly occupation.

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I recall, somewhere, Baker III stating how he likes to deal with Iranians.
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on May 8, 2007 8:34 AM   
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He is right when choosing the best of two evils that the Persians are more learned and cultured that the Arabs from the Gulf region who, until petroleum was discovered, were the most backward, culturally-repressed, and poor moslems in the entire world. Prior to the Shah being deposed Iran was a favoured country for us to 'deal with'. The Bush cabal decided once the Shah fell that the Saudis would be a better partner. Since they are historically at odds with Iran (branches of Islam, different races, and over who is biggest 'player' in the region and oil world) it was figured that it would be nice to back Saudi Arabia against the now islamic republic run by Khomeni. This is why we supported Saddam etc. We wanted a war between arab and persians to keep them occupied, keep energy prices high, and keep an excuse for military spending. And cause trouble in the region which is close to USSR. Now days, Saddam is gone and we are running full tilt to get involved in the former 'stani' republics of Russia (Brezinski is key in this and has always wanted these areas.) Now that the region is destabilised we can bring "order from chaos" and reform the middle-east not based on colonialist borders with the USA being the protector/ruler of the region.

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My post was deleted? Well, here's my response to my detractors
Posted by: ateo on May 8, 2007 10:34 AM   
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If you study history you will see that every successful conquerer has done exactly as I laid out in my original post. Everyone from Alexander the Great leveling entire cities that opposed him to the U.S. carpet bombing Dresden into dust in WW2. The list of warlords and nations that have conquered using this methodology would be a veritable who's who of the history of warfare and empire building. That is how the will of a people is broken and uprisings are quelled. To do otherwise is to concede defeat before the game has truly even got underway.

That is how aggressive wars of conquest should be fought, if they are going to be fought. I don't think preemptive (read: aggressive) war is something the U.S. should be involved in. However, if we're going to be involved in aggressive wars of conquest we shouldn't fight them in a half assed way. In America we use our whole ass! Okay people?!

Also, lol at some of those replies. You people are soft. I hope you remember all of those words when Red China is offing 200 million Americans with biological weapons so horrible we don't even know what they are yet.

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So many Iran myths!
Posted by: fanny666 on May 8, 2007 12:41 PM   
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran. Sayyid Ali Khamenei is. Ahmadinejad must take orders from Khamenei. Khamenei has issued a fatwa (religious edict), stating that for Iran to obtain nuclear weapons is haram (forbidden). These people are Shia, they believe that Ayatollahs are holy, like Catholics and the Pope. His word is law.

Iran has not done ANYTHING illegal, according to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. We, however, do not follow article 6.

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Destroy Israel
Posted by: TWilliams on May 8, 2007 5:48 PM   
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The real problem is the US supports Israel. If the US would simply stop supporting Israel and let the Arabs take the land back that is rightfully theirs then there will be peace in the middle east. Israel and AIPAC are the real enemy.

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