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Feminism in the Era of 'Girls Gone Wild'

By Amanda Marcotte, AlterNet. Posted May 5, 2007.


Everyone these days wants to hear how young women have lost their way, especially if the author can blame feminism for it. But in reality, feminism has been anything but a tragedy for women.

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Laura Sessions Stepp worries about young college women and fears that their much-touted sexual freedoms will damage them in the long run, making them somehow ineligible for marriage and commitment in the future. In the Valentine's Day issue of the Washington Post, where Stepp hangs her journalist hat, she wrote a long piece bemoaning how college women were ruining their chances of attaining decent marriages by putting off the hard work of dating, instead replacing it with low-maintenance "hooking up." The blame for this sorry state of womanhood lay with overt ambition, according to Stepp, who quoted one young woman after another who refused to waste time and energy on romantic entanglements, preferring to concentrate on their studies and extracurricular activities.

Naturally, Stepp's rampage against the anti-romance attitudes of young women netted her more than a hand-wringing article in the Washington Post. Her concern has erupted into a full-length book, titled "Unhooked." Everyone these days wants to hear how young women have lost their way, especially if the author can blame feminism for it, which Stepp does, pointing to '70s era feminist writings that argue against the compatibility of career and marriage. Hiding anxiety about women's gains behind a story about how independence turns women into sluts is a strategy that never goes out of fashion.

If this sort of anxiety about young women and sex stayed with conservatives, it would be one thing, but the practice of writing about the degraded state of young womanhood has expanded and now has also become part of feminism. The book that opened the season was Ariel Levy's "Female Chauvinist Pigs," which proposed that young women have translated the concept of sexual freedom into embracing the same misogynist version of sexuality that has been the currency in traditional porn.

Levy traced what you might call the "Girls Gone Wild" sleaze culture and documented the attempts to repackage sexual exploitation as somehow empowering. While Levy has a point that there's something ridiculous about the sleaze culture promoting itself as "empowering" for women, the alarmist concern that young women are derailing the cause has been criticized by other feminists as overstated.

There's nothing new with the argument that there's something "empowering" about rejecting feminism and peddling yourself to men for use for sex or reproduction. Crack open Susan Faludi's classic on the backlash against feminism in the '80s, and you'll see variations of that argument in every aspect of the backlash pressure. From the fashion industry to the right-wing noise machine's arguments about "natural" gender roles, Faludi detailed how proponents of the backlash endlessly argued that women are supposedly happier being more feminine and helpless, happier at home with babies, and happier without being in the male world of the rat race. The argument that women feel more empowered shaking their ass in lingerie than in drawing that man-sized paycheck in the male-dominated rat race only differs from the '80s backlash on the surface. And yet it gets mistaken for "third wave feminism" all the time.

In her New York Times article "What's Wrong With Cinderella?" Peggy Orenstein conflated the "empowerment" language with actual feminism, when she identified cultural phenomenon like "Porn Star" T-shirts and making out with your girlfriends to impress frat boys with third-wave feminism. It was a dark spot on an otherwise interesting article about the marketing pressure on young girls to play at being princesses.

Liz Funk, another self-identified feminist writer, made a big splash in Internet circles when she wrote an article also identifying young adulthood as a distressing time for women. She characterized the freedom to drink and to go to clubs as damaging and risky for women, particularly in terms of rape. The story left the same impression drawn by Laura Sessions Stepp, that the seeming gains of feminism have actually managed to hurt young women.

By realistic measures, though, feminism has been anything but a tragedy for young women. Because of feminist gains, young women now make up more than half of the students in college. The gains are reflected in law and medical schools, which are also half female now. Girls' athletics have grown exponentially since the '70s because of Title IX. The worry over young women and sex is somewhat misplaced as well, especially considering the decline in teenage pregnancies throughout the '90s, a decline that was attributable to increased contraceptive use, a huge feminist goal.

Young women growing up now have more than a few T-shirts proclaiming "Girl Power" to motivate them. Not only do they have their own accomplishments so far as a generation to look upon, but they are growing up in a world where they have an array of role models. A young woman in the "Girls Gone Wild" age bracket is going to school in an era where we have a female speaker of the House, and Katie Couric has managed to break into the authoritative position of night-time anchor. We still have a long way to go in terms of equity in numbers in prestigious positions like this, but young women these days are no longer constrained as much as women in the past by the notion that there are some jobs that are permanently closed off to women.

If young women are doing fine by themselves by picking up the books and working hard and presenting a very real challenge to male dominance, then what should we make of the "Girls Gone Wild" stereotype? The notion that college age women are wasting their potential somehow by acting like nothing more than sex objects is paralleled neatly by the notion that the kindergarten set of girls that are supposedly rejecting their feminist parents in order to embrace the fluffy princess phenomenon, pushed mostly by the Disney company. In fact, the princess marketing has something of a "gotcha" element to it, as if the miles of pink and lace present an irresistible temptation for the inner delicate flowers of young girls. The more likely story is that the relentless drumbeat of marketing the Princess line has made girls feel that they're missing out if they aren't a part of it.

The grown-up version of Disney's Princess line is the TV show "The Pussycat Dolls," where the symbol of belonging is not a pink lace princess dress, but a feather boa. Granted, the Pussycat Dolls are highly sexualized, but the marketing push is the same as the Princess line, the story being one about how women and girls find themselves irresistibly drawn away from participation in the real world and towards feminine accoutrements and being on display rather than being active. And these messages are coming, as they always have, from marketers that are more interested in protecting male privilege and making money than everything else. The co-option of words like "empowering" from feminists should be taken for what it is, a backlash wolf in feminist sheep clothing.

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Where Is The Line & Who Is To Say
Posted by: NoPCZone on May 5, 2007 1:02 AM   
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Where is the dividing line between a healthy sexual appetite and being a girl gone wild? Who defines that line and who are they to say so?

I thought this was America and people were generally free to follow their own convictions unless it imposes upon someone else's rights. Isn't that the underpinning of the abortion rights and Civil Union campaigns?

Are the PC people going to become the modern civil priesthood and tell us how we are to act sexually when it's nobody's business but me and my partner's? I don't want Jerry Fallwell, the US Government, any state or local government telling me how to conduct myself and I sure don't want some self styled feminist. That's just trading masters- not being a free moral agent.

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» Good answer Posted by: kepstein7777
Wrong. Women are happier when free to make logical decisions.
Posted by: utilitarianist on May 5, 2007 1:49 AM   
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The issue here is whether women are pressured into making decisions that are illogical. 40 years ago there was a backlash against the status quo for pressuring women to hitch up with a nice man and raise a family or be rejected as failures, now it has come full cirlce and there is a backlash against feminists who use bigotry to belittle women who decide to have families and pressure young women to become wildly polygamous otherwise they aren't "empowerred".

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» thx ^-^ Posted by: utilitarianist
Sex is currency...
Posted by: Blade on May 5, 2007 3:12 AM   
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Check out the dating sites. Young beautiful girls who should not have to advertise at all splash themselves all over the net doing all sorts of raunchy sex, and asking for more. They are learning at a very early age all to use their sexual powers to manipulate and control others. Women control access to something precious, like gold, and that's a powerful position. In these times, what with camera phones and web cams, young ladies have found new and powerful ways to discover and use their natural born skills. Instead of being the gatekeepers to society's morality, they've become the Sirens. Centuries ago the honor of a lady was enough to die for, as a man, but today, there is no honor for ladies, only "Power of the Pussy".

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» Fool's gold Posted by: kepstein7777
» RE: Fool's gold Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: Fool's gold Posted by: fork
» RE: Fool's gold Posted by: Blade
What? You thought liberation meant evolution?
Posted by: PJAW on May 5, 2007 3:56 AM   
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Well, perhaps it opens the door, but it certainly doesn't show the way. The story goes that down through the ages, men have had greater opportunity to evolve than women have, and we have largely failed. And women, on the other hand, could have evolved to unknown heights had men not actively repressed them. Well, there's no doubt some truth to the represssion part, but the belief that women would somehow display a higher state of human development if given the chance, is substantially bullshit.

Some have, many haven't, just like men. Why that strikes anyone as surprising is... well... surprising.

It's rare for any human, regardless of gender, ethnicity or any of the common descriptives we use for one another, to do anything that truly impresses or uplifts the rest of us. We're mostly just chimpanzees with car keys.

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Being taken advantage of
Posted by: colinmeister on May 5, 2007 3:56 AM   
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I have never seen a "Girls gone wild" video, but occasionally when I wake up during the night, I catch a fragment of an infommercial.

If the young women are being well paid for making these videos, I suppose it helps pay for college, but I often wonder if the "Stars" really get much more than a bottle of gin for their efforts.

It would be a good idea if young people in general, and girls going away to college in particular, were educated not to let greedy businessmen take advantage of them, and use their looks and talents to make money for their business and short change those who actually do the work.

I often wonder what the reaction is if the interviewer of a young female graduate recognises the candidate from the "Girls gone wild" video he watched at a stag party? Would it help or hinder the woman's chances of landing the job?

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» RE: Being taken advantage of Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» PURE EXPLOITATION Posted by: fluffmuffinmom
» RE: PURE EXPLOITATION Posted by: Logic's Edge
» RE: PURE EXPLOITATION Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: PURE EXPLOITATION Posted by: fluffmuffinmom
» RE: PURE EXPLOITATION Posted by: Logic's Edge
» Different things. Posted by: colinmeister
» RE: Being taken advantage of Posted by: VannaLaRoche
» RE: Being taken advantage of Posted by: Cathyblj
» RE: Being taken advantage of Posted by: Ian MacLeod
Which feminism?
Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 5, 2007 4:14 AM   
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The article says feminism has made great strides in terms of college, employment, etc. That's good news, but it also means it's reaching a point of diminishing returns. I would call that equality feminism. As a result, today it's more about recreational and special interest feminism.

Recreational feminism is fun and has sex appeal: Is being slutty empowering or demeaning? Should men stop being pigs? Should college girls get drunk and take their tops off?...Men love to look, and many women love to be looked at. It's biological, and it's been going on forever, but it's still fun to talk about.

Special interest feminism is asking for more than equality: extra days off from work, preferential hiring, special programs, and so on. Some think it's justified, but basically it's asking for special treatment, so it's harder to make the case than for things that fall under equality feminism. This feminism can also be fun, because it leads to lots of heated arguments and brings out all the demons of both sexes.

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» RE: Which feminism? Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: Which feminism? Posted by: Cathyblj
» RE: Which feminism? Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: Which feminism? Posted by: fork
Stews gone wild.
Posted by: HughScott on May 5, 2007 5:33 AM   
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Many years ago, I was a captain for Continental Airlines where some of the female flight attendants made modern-day “girls gone wild” look like Sunday school teachers.

When they visited the cockpit during cruise, the lust in the air would be so powerful, male pilots had to wear their oxygen masks to keep from getting hard-ons, yours truly included.

For frisky first and second officers to get laid on layovers (captains were considered old fogies), a girl-boy wink and nod was all it required.

Over the years, I watched the same lusty ladies grow old and remain single while more “properly behaved” stews got married and had kids. I wonder who’s happier now?

That’s a rhetorical question.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of the forthcoming JohnQPublic4PRESIDENT2008.com and King-George.biz, the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» RE: Stews gone wild. Posted by: VannaLaRoche
» promiscuity... Posted by: vwaites
When does a woman's brain actually work?
Posted by: H_H on May 5, 2007 6:30 AM   
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When a woman makes a decision that feminists dislike (such as being a cheerleader or wearing makeup or cooking a meal for her husband) she must be presumed to have been acting under false consciousness: She was "pressured" by patriarchy/men/media/power disparities/whatever... and must be presumed to have not done the act freely. If one has "embraced their oppression" they're clearly not in a right state of mind and badly require proper (feminist?) guidance.

And yet, if this same woman does something that feminists approve of, like filing a lawsuit or having an abortion or deciding to major in sociology, now she's totally acting under free will and her brain is assumed to be functioning properly.

So if a woman were to sign a contract in a business transaction, her signature must be honored. Yet, if the same woman were to sign a contract to be in a porn film we should conclude that she was hoodwinked and her signature really doesn't mean anything.

This is somewhat confusing. One moment, women are puppets of Teh Patreearkee(tm) but the next moment, they're fully functioning people. So when is it safe to assume that a woman is genuinely in control of her own mind?

If a woman's mind can truly be expected to flip back and forth like that, I wouldn't want to trust such a creature to work in my business or handle my accounts or run for president.

Perhaps one of the femnists on Alternet, maybe even the august Ms. Marcotte herself, could explain to me the math I should do in order to figure-out when a woman has the mind of an adult and when she has the mind of a kindergartener?

The real litmus test so far seems to be whether a woman's actions happen to annoy a feminist or not. But I'm sure it can't be something as subjective and moronic as that.

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» Fred and Ethel Posted by: kepstein7777
» You missed the sarcasm Posted by: H_H
wolf words
Posted by: grim ripper on May 5, 2007 6:33 AM   
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"The co-option of words like "empowering" from feminists should be taken for what it is, a backlash wolf in feminist sheep clothing."

just like the co-option of words like "emboldening" by republicans, as in "withdrawl now would embolden the enemy." The wolf, here, seeks to inspire fear in the american public.

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contra ceptives
Posted by: grim ripper on May 5, 2007 6:43 AM   
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Not sure how it fits in with the argument, but I found it telling how, when referring to contraceptives as a "huge feminist goal," it is supposed to be understood, I guess, that contraceptives mean birth control pills.

In other words, even within the shrine of feminism, it goes without saying that it shall be women who are to shoulder the daily responsibility, the cost, and the health risks of contraceptive pills.

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» RE: contra ceptives Posted by: Krotos
WON;T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE IDENTITY POLITICS WEDGE ISSUES AND THE RICH???!!!
Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on May 5, 2007 6:50 AM   
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Please, I beg of you, leftists, PLEASE concentrate more on Identity Politics Wedge issues like gender issues, race issues, sexuality, religion, lifestyle politics, environmentalism, etc, and NOT on bread and butter populist economics issues like taxing the rich, single payer healthcare, worker vacation time, mass immigration that depresses wages, etc.

I say this because by focusing on Identity Politics issues, we help the rich divide the populace into warring factions which cannot unite against the rich. But if the Left focuses on bread and butter populist economics issues, the populace is better able to unite against the rich and tax them to use that money for the people. THat is BAD for us rich people!

Won't someone please PLEASE think of the rich?! Please.....

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» Right on. Posted by: Philip Newton
Britney redux
Posted by: profoflitandtrout on May 5, 2007 7:43 AM   
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A few years ago, my girlfriend and I were looking in the infant/toddler section of a local Shopko for a teddy bear for a non-traditional baby shower for a friend's daughter. At the height of Britney-mania (a year after "Oops! I did it again" or so), here were spandex-enhanced, low-riding, flared jeans for toddlers with baby-t's to match.
That evening we discussed not only how this apparel seems to be a child molester's fantasy, but the state of feminism and sexual empowerment. Unlike the 'vagina monolugues' style sexual empowerment, this current take seemed to be telling young women that they were taking back their sexuality by choosing how much skin to show, that they could control their objectification in a way that men would grovel at their diva-like status.
Undoubtedly, as the author eventually gets to in the final sentences after much incoherent analysis, commercialism has a lot to do with it. Sex sells, and it does get my progressive, feminist goat when I hear, see, and read about sexual empowerment as choosing to let the top of your thong stick out above the back of your jeans.

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» RE: Britney redux Posted by: Bozwell
Red Brown and Blue Party comment
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on May 5, 2007 8:03 AM   
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Feminism correctly identifies the problem of patriarchy but falls into twisted versions of it, due to 6000 years of internalizing its values. A way out of the confusion, blaming and social inequities is to recognize the natural relation of the sexes. Womam (and children) are by nature superior to men. Men come from womem; their purpose is to serve womem and children. When they deviate from this purpose, they tend to become war mongers, capitalists and "lost boys," doing a great deal of harm to the earth and a natural consciousness. As depth psychologists have pointed out, men have a womam/anima within themselves which is their salvation, not some outer god or savior figure.

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» Alcohol and Drugs Posted by: db
» RE: Alcohol and Drugs Posted by: jmooney
» RE: ed Brown and Blue Party comment Posted by: Logic's Edge
More anti-choice rhetoric.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 5, 2007 8:20 AM   
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'Live your life the way I want you to, and stop engaging in, colluding with, or behaving in ways that I consider sleazy'.

Geez, and here I thought it was the responsibility of the national republican committee to police my private choices in the way that I live my private life. Guess the author hopped on the "If'n ya cain't beat 'em, join 'em" crowd.

Well, I learned something from watching the NRC, too. My adopted phrase is that "Yer' either with us, er yer' aginn' us". And the author has set herself squarely against choice, against us.

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Shouldn't it always be a thoughtful decision, to have a family?
Posted by: Sojourner on May 5, 2007 8:37 AM   
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And I cannot imagine a universal correct answer where one size fits all. How is that pro- or anti-feminist?

Or is it just that some women feel threatened if they're not doing "what's being done"? So what if girlfriends don't like what you like? Does "fashion" rule?

Or is feminism just a standard variation on the sorority theme? Group together for protection? Yes, there's a reality basis for it.

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more than one third-wave feminism
Posted by: nkmarti on May 5, 2007 8:47 AM   
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Just as the author seems to know that feminism changes--it's not just one thing--there are women who identify themselves as third-wave feminists who think that sex work is incredibly empowering. And there are those who do not.

This article seems to want to stifle the serious debate about the power of sexual display culture in the U.S. by slamming authors like Ariel Levy, who asks some serious questions without having all the answers. If anything, there are so many nuances to women identifying as feminist, that there are bound to be some clashes. Not to mention that their are generational rifts that are being fully supported and perpetuated by even alternative media outlets. Astrid Henry's NOT MY MOTHER'S SISTER tries to address some of these issues.

A book like UNHOOKED seems to speak to the same anxieties between work/life balance right now that are assailing women of all ages...but it also indicates that there's only one idea of what feminism is, and that's just not the case.

On the Girls Gone Wild issue, just because women are complicit in some of the sexual display culture that permeates our society doesn't mean it's a good thing--just as making a choice as a woman isn't always a feminist choice. Women can make these choices--some may feel empowered, some may be thumbing their nose at their feminist moms--but they should not stop questioning the motivations and larger societal forces that impact on those choices.

The notion of freedom of individual choice as the dogma of feminism is faulty, and slightly influenced by the strength and force of the word "pro-choice". Somehow if you're not allowing for "Girls Going Wild" you're anti-choice or anti-feminist. That's just not true. I still believe feminism is about community, with debate, because not all women are the same, and neither are all feminisms.

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the problem with feminism...
Posted by: carolcarre on May 5, 2007 9:00 AM   
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is the same as the problem with all movements, hierarchies and so forth. There is an essential nihilism in any life philosophy that looks only at material attainment (what is termed equality)instead of the other levels of human development, intellectual, moral and spiritual attainment. So now women are free to be as crude as men, and as rich, and as self-obsessed. Are they happier? No. Are men happy? Frequently not, since they define themselves merely by the sexual and monetary mastery they have in this society.

So once you have the stuff you want, where do you go? You can either slide into the mindless self-obsession of pornography or you can grow up.

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Decadence and Decline
Posted by: ceti on May 5, 2007 9:01 AM   
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The decline and fall of American culture, its decadence and corruption under late imperial capitalism, and its globalization through corporate media, is sadly unrecognized subtext to this story. The commodification of everything, in this case sexuality, feeds the voracious libidinous appetites of a self-indulgent generation, just as corporations require constant titillation and consumption to grease the wheels of commerce. You see this everywhere, where standards of modesty are in free fall collapse, which is ironically leading to some Muslim women asserting their feminism through wearing the hijab. In fact, they are in the vanguard of defending values of decency, modesty, and self-respect, while their sisters are tossing of their tops and acting like frat boys in their bad behaviour.

The cooptation of a counter-hegemonic ideology like feminism, its decline into decadence over the last two decades, is a tragedy that mirrors generalized societal decline. Even though women have achieved a dominant position in much of academia, old stereotypes remain and are reinforced daily, while women and girls are being sexualized at younger age.

Maybe we should go back to seeing "Killing Us Softly"

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» RE: Decadence and Decline Posted by: Blade
Weapons of Mass Distraction
Posted by: Philip Newton on May 5, 2007 9:13 AM   
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We will always be free to prattle about gender identification, "feminism," "consumerism," any ism you like -- as long as it doesn't alter the bottom line for the plutocracy.

We roll in the mud over faux bedroom "politics," fight over who gets what crumbs and the oligarchs quietly lift our wallets and laugh all the way to the bank.

Isms suck.

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Not just Feminism...
Posted by: Urmutt on May 5, 2007 10:06 AM   
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1) It's not just about Feminism. As compared to the 60s/70s Generations and earlier who we admired for their passionate concern for Social Injustice, these later generations that you are relating about are widely reviled for being totally callow and oblivious to such concerns, even to such extent as to be referred to as "The Children of Reagan/Bush" because of the way that they blindly accept the Supply Sider Corporate ethic. These are not the 'HIP' crowd of the Woodstock days, these are SQUARES, i.e., more conventional Beer Drinkers and Party Time folks with much the same values as our own more conventional middle class 50s Parents.

2) The Feminist Movement self destructed itself with a excess of hypocrisy and absurdity articulated as if it was intelligently thought out when it was really all about Rage. They alienated the support of more enlightened Non Sexist men with their continual Male Bashing but more importantly they alineated the vast majority of American MOMS in their condemnation of the Stay At Home mother in favor of the 'You've Come a Long Way Baby' Female CEO. I used to go with one of the latter who 'bought' the Feminist propaganda about that and she was the most MISERABLE woman imaginable. NO it is NOT Fun or any great satisfaction at all to be a Corporate CEO, far from it, this is the most stultifying and regimented, even fairly considered Inhuman position to have to be in. And oh yes, that woman I was going with had the Ulcer to go with her CEO ship, had to carry a Jumbo Jar of Tums with her. In contrast I also went with a dedicated Suburban Mom and she was without a doubt one of the healthiest most well satisfied women I've ever known. Her take: "Those Feminists are full of crap to suggest that one can be a 'good' Mother from the distance of a corporate office. Kids need their Moms to be THERE for them just as ours were for us. If I could not have afforded to be a Stay At Home Mother I would not have been so callow as to have children at all."

The Feminists destroyed their credibility with the support of such as Date Rape Laws in that this was total contradiction to their urging Women to 'Take Care of Themselves'. They insulted everyone further with such as the Anti Sex League thing of Andrea Dworkin and Margaret McKinnon, putting themselves squarely in league with the Religious Right. I mean who wanted to be associated with a bunch of Angry Puritans as these Women allowed themselves to become?

And lastly, wasn't Female Sexuality one of the main things that the Feminists wanted Women to discover? Well they did indeed succeed with that. So Where's the Beef? Tee Hee...

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masculine tendancies
Posted by: axjxhx on May 5, 2007 10:09 AM   
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the "girls gone wild" have been born from the masculinization of women. since the 2nd wave feminists really believed that in order to take up work in a man's world, that they had to BE more like men, this is where this dilemna comes from. an idea that has been handed down from the 2nd wave, these girls gone wild are taking their cues from young men in the adult entertainment industry. i don't think that this is a conscious effort anymore, either. i think that masculinization has become a subliminal part of a young woman's relating to (and succeeding in) the world around her. it is a fact that women's brains are different now than they were before the women's movement (check out "The New Feminine Brain" by Mona Lisa Schulz, MD, PhD - she explains that a woman's brain has changed from traditional to more masculinized in order to survive in the workplace, as one example).....so we can see how testosterone can possibly play into the sexual overdrive that these girls gone wild have in common.
i think that it is very conveniant for some people to look at these overly sexualized women and to lay blame on an entire generation of women to come before them, as if we were back in Eden and Eve is our grandmother.......everyone needs to remember that we live in an imperfect world. these young women have very little wisdom to draw from in the way of feminine role models, because the patriarchy keeps insisting that every generation of women are inherently evil. so, each generation starts anew with mostly examples of how men would succeed in this world. they come to adulthood with ideas of what success is based on patriarchical values (for one example, americans idolize the paper money system) and they do the best they can to ensure their own individual success based on that model. i'm in no way saying that every woman is playing the patriarchical game, but in this phenomenon of the girls gone wild, i think that this is very much what is happening. if there was a better model of educating women about their bodies and about the intuition and spitiuality and power that lies within them, there wouldn't be so many confused women trying desperately to gain attention and validation from men through traditionally masculine sexuality (aggressive).

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"the fool and the harlot"
Posted by: Blade on May 5, 2007 10:40 AM   
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Yes, it is fool's gold, but it is an existential fact. I am not advocating "chivalry", just pointing out the lack of sexual ethics in our society centers around "the pill" and women's so-called sexual liberation. All society has role models, etc. Women's role models nowadays are without morals that protect and promote the best in society. Girls grow up around all kinds of porn so now think anal sex, group sex, and animal sex are OK. All those patriarchal rules were there for a reason, women are the portal to our group morality. They set the standards because they control access. Now, there are no standards. Women need to fight a war to restore standards to their behavior, and men will have to fall in line.

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Girls on the Media aren't reality.
Posted by: Ghoulman on May 5, 2007 10:59 AM   
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Something strikes me as weird... the perception by the writers that girls today are 'sluts' seems based on how girls are portrayed in the media. Girls Gone Wild like porn.

Let's face it, that stuff should be called "Girls With No Self Esteem". Professional porn workers get paid real money for such play-acting.

But in reality, there haven't been any real social problems (in this context) with young girls today. Certainly I can't think of one study or real social pole that demonstrates anything is amiss. And why should it? Girls are having sex? This is a surprise??? Sure, you can find some story of a girl who was murdered while walking home drunk from a party, but anecdotal evidence is not evidence of anything.

I tend to agree with the feeling this article brings forward, that books like these seem like anti-feminist backlash. After all, we are living in the Conservative Movement Era of America. And sexual women are always a threat to the ever American desire to live in the frickin' 1950s. Need an abortion? Sorry honey, you're a slut who deserves your fate? Yikes. I smell a veto from Shrub.

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CAMERAS
Posted by: mizipi on May 5, 2007 12:11 PM   
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Children learn at a very young age that one way to get attention is to 'play to the camera'. Girls-gone-wild is just another example of this. We all crave attention, especially around alcohol with others seeking the same. When I was a child in the 1960's, public breast feeding was common, even in church. Now it is considered 'dirty' by many folks. Only fifty years ago, the thought of hot-pants or miniskirts in public was scandalous. Values change. To a lot of the younger generation, 'baring your boobs' ain't nuthin'! Get over it, all of you prudes. Some gal showing her tits is nothing compared to some aristocrat making billion$ on illegal wars - so let's make Girls Gone Wild an OK thing and discuss how to make Aristocrats Gone Wild a jailable offense.

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Amanda Marcotte
Posted by: Krotos on May 5, 2007 3:44 PM   
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really is not somebody Alternet should be associating with. This woman is a censorious, dishonest, left-wing analogue of Anne Coulter and Michelle Malkin. There's a very good reason she's no longer blogging for the John Edwards campaign.

Look up her screeds on the now-exonerated Duke rape suspects if you don't believe me. And please, editors, use better judgement in the future about whom you publish.

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» RE: Amanda Marcotte Posted by: SatanicJamboree
Feminism is Still a Dirty Word
Posted by: SatanicJamboree on May 5, 2007 7:08 PM   
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Thank you Ms. Marcotte for a surprisingly thoughtful and balanced article on this subject--all too rare on Alternet these days.

What I find disturbing are the number of blatantly anti-feminist responses one always finds on this site in response to articles like this--often blatantly sexist and so nakedly misogynist that I can't understand why the hell they're not posting on little green footballs, etc.

Is there some kind of anti-feminist, reactionary movement within the left? More likely these are men sitting home on a Saturday, stewing over their lack of female companionship (yes, even married ones--I know many women who keep a lot of distance from their misogynist husbands) and seeking to vent against women because of it.

Yes, I'm sitting at home on a Saturday--my wife sometimes looking over my shoulder--always wondering how half the guys posting here can even get a female to give them the time of day, much less anything else:)

Is it possible to debate feminism today without dredging up the worn out conventional wisdoms that our society can't seem to shake?

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Mike Males
Posted by: mmales on May 5, 2007 10:54 PM   
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Of all groups in American society, young women are doing the best--by far. Better than men of any age. Better than older women, who are suffering rising drug abuse and crime that can't be admitted (this is America--we can only blame powerless groups for problems).

Still, the fact is, whether we use psychological measures (happiness, feelings of safety, massive declines in rape victimization, etc.) or social measures (college graduation, professional jobs, falling suicide, violent death, drug and alcohol abuse, etc.), women ages 15-24 are healthier and advancing more rapidly than any group in our society.

The fact is that both mainstream and so-called "alternative" commentators are so threatened by the improvements in younger women that they've invented all kinds of "crises" to disparage them as victims and self-victims, and they relentlessly search out whatever young women will give them troubled quotes to buttress their fears.

How many of you would guess that the latest survey of high school seniors shows young women happier with themselves, their friends, their safety, and other dimensions than any previous generation? That teen girls only RARELY get cosmetic surgery (that would be their Baby Boom mothers you're talking about, who get plastic surgey by the millions)? That women are 56% of college enrollees, a majority of new lawyers, soon to be a majority of new physicians? That young women are safer from rape today than any previous generation studied? That 40 years ago, women earned just 16% of all paid income--versus nearly half today for females under age 25? Girls today are not fragile, troubled, or self-hating, as youth-bashing commentators across the spectrum insist. All this yuppie fretting about girls, whether from the culture-war Left or the culture-war Right, is just the New Misogyny, dressed up as "concern."

In truth, it's older generations who are succumbing to skyrocketing drug abuse, crime, depression, materialism, cosmetic procedures, and fear--and, without the guts or introspection to face these facts, are manufacturing panics about girls and young women. Enough crap! Whatever small fraction of young women today are suffering problems adjusting to being out in the world, it's a far tinier fraction than the much larger percentage of older men and women who are unable to handle social changes and are far more messed up than their daughters.

And, progressives, ponder this fact: exit polls show that if ONLY women under age 25 had voted in 2004, Bush would have lost 47 states, a landslide. But if ONLY middle-aged women (mostly Boomers) had voted in 2004, Bush STILL would have been elected. So, commentators, stuff that superiority. Whatever problems girls have, they're not nearly as bad as their elders'. Young women are taking over, and it can't happen soon enough.
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Like it or not
Posted by: Pirate1 on May 5, 2007 11:29 PM   
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There is no standard by which to measure any of this... women are as individual and varied in what turns them on as men... only difference is now some of them live in parts of the planet where they are more or less free to try things out, to experiment and move on... and not be stoned to death, branded with big "A"s or be burned at a stake...
You act like being in one of these situations binds a woman to continually do this for the rest of time... what nonesense. As for not getting hired by someone who may have seen her in a video, what loss is that? Who'd want to work for someone like that anyway?... leave the girls alone, damn it... they are finding their way, leading the species out and away from all that false moralistic crap. Control a person on such a basic level as their own sexuality and you've got them... get them actually believing that any of it matters, as it seems a lot of the posters here do, and they have you good! All fighting, judging and policing each other and making their job of control easy. Genitalia are supposed to be used, and used at the discretion of the person possessing them according to what they desire, when and with whom... all this so called "morality" is just warmed over puritanical BS. Give those guys the upper hand again and any girl or woman who doesn't "obey" will be burned... read your history.

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stop with the couric example
Posted by: bambino on May 6, 2007 10:55 AM   
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katie couric was added as a gimmick to cbs because they were doing so badly and anything looked like up. and it is now just an embarrassment at number three. she is not a good example of achievement in high circles at all. in fact, she is an example of overreaching and failing. universities may be full of women but departments are not. law schools produce lots of women but where do they end up, not as partners in high places. to say there are contraceptives does not mean there are no disceases to be transmitted. and they are. women are doing well it seems but not as well as this giddy article seems to imply. there are new pressures on girls to conform. the sluts may be gone but not forgotten as an image. with agologists like this writer there is nothing but more problems ahead. its ok to be critical sometime. we wont hate you. you silly girl...

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Guys are STUDS and Girls are SLUTS
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on May 6, 2007 11:18 AM   
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Guys are STUDS and Girls are SLUTS...

Total double standard. Although I hate to see women dressed in skimpy clothing flaunting their sexuality (because that's all the young guys see...) ....it's just not right that guys who score poontang are admired while women who also want and need orgasms are degraded.

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The Real Problem
Posted by: ususesttyrannus on May 6, 2007 11:46 AM   
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Thanks to the pop culture phenomenon of posting women as dolls and men as orchestrators, women are broadcasted as toys for men, and, socially, people fall for this stereotype. People want to see the behavior of women on TV and in the magazines infiltrating their daily lives simply to blame their problems on it. We can't clean up the media, at least to the extent that we would like to, but we can work to publicize a different breed of women. We need to reestablish the idea that the women can participate in society. We need to rehabilitate the flapper...

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luzmejor
Posted by: luzmejor on May 6, 2007 1:14 PM   
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The worry about feminism comes about because marketers of all kinds are frightened that people won't be spending their fortunes on households, children and appliances.

And "religious" organizations are worried sick that women will no longer be forced to make their basic livings by sexual pursuits and housekeeping chores alone, along with raising their future generations of tithing church-members.

And they all remember the heady days of the post-war baby booms, and want to repeat their profit-taking.

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Let's not confuse feminism with privacy issues
Posted by: nellie blogger on May 6, 2007 4:34 PM   
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Moral preaching is pretty unattractive, whether it's coming from the right or the left. As someone who entered college during the heyday of feminism in the 70s, I would say this article is misguided.

I'd rather focus on unequal pay-- which still exists. I'd rather focus on double standards -- which seem to be this article's stock in trade. I'd rather focus on the latest Supreme Court decision, which implies that women make frivolous decisions about their pregnancies. I'd even rather focus on the b-word and p-word, which, for some reason, have become "cool" lately.

What women do in the privacy of their lives is their business, as long as it's legal. If women respect themselves, strive for the moon, and fight for their rightful place in this world, I think we're on the right track. Look who we have as the presidentilal frontrunner--one of the original feminists. Pretty good progress for women from thirty years ago.

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It's been good....and bad.
Posted by: Eat Politicians on May 6, 2007 8:38 PM   
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Feminism is just another ism. Trying to say anything about it's totality is like any other stereotyping or labelization of a term. In the end, some of it has been very pratical, thoughtiful and intelligent work, and some of it is total crap and an absolute waste of time and energy.

Most of the best work seems to have been done in the late sixties /early seventies and then in the ninties. Mostly ivory tower babble for the eighties and currently. Twenty pages on the word "guy" and other pointless navel gazing...

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Who's asking for extra days off at work?
Posted by: fluffmuffinmom on May 6, 2007 9:35 PM   
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I want to work at a place where women get more days off than men! Where do I sign up???

All I know is - at my office, we all get one sick day a month and I get to use most of mine either dealing with the horrible debilitating cramps I've endured every single month for the past 33 years or staying home to care for a sick kid. That's why I have few sick days accumulated and the men in my office seem to have hundreds of them.

How do I get these "extra" days off and other special treatment just for bein' a woman that you're talking about?

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White Women biggest Oppressor by 2009!
Posted by: Eat Politicians on May 7, 2007 11:27 PM   
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Come on ladies, we can do it!

White men have been the biggest oppressors up until now, but we can totally out-oppress them.

Just the other day I was talking to my friend on my Iphone in the hamptons, rolling around in my escalade and I was waiting in line behind this guy in a datsun getting gas and I'm all like, "dude, you are so gross. You totally don't have any money. Didn't they stop making datsun in the 80's. So uncool. You should like totally just move and then get your gas when I'm done. I mean, my gas tank is bigger than your whole car dude. As if"

So like, women have come a long way since those women like burnt their bras to protest the white male phallic oppressors and even though I'm like "ew chic, go get a boob job or something, I was still totally like, right on girl."

We can so totally do it.

White women the biggest oppressors by 2009!

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I have a great idea for dealing with the situation
Posted by: Cruella on May 8, 2007 5:23 PM   
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A cooling-off period for appearing in pornographic materials... I have explained fully on my blog here.

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Who cares about feminism?
Posted by: Aussie Kim on May 8, 2007 11:22 PM   
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Some people just Hate Women (fullstop) and there's nothing we'll ever be able to do about it, I think.

Read: Texas Hates Women

Fine - if HPV vaccine can't be made available, then viagra should not be available either, or only to married men with GPS emitters round one ankle and a heart monitor that broadcasts to the guy's wife so that she alwyas knows where he is, but also knows what he's up to. Else Viagra could lead to promiscuity too, AND giving women nasty diseases...

What do these idiots think - that women who get cervical cancer are dirty sluts who deserve it?

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Feminism in the Era of 'Girls Gone Wild'
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Leave 'em alone
Posted by: Soco on May 11, 2007 6:48 AM   
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It's true the "Establishment Liberals" want women to think and act like their PC committe has deemed appropriate. Reject Religion (Even the ethics in them), untold millions of years of human female evolution (Which is the only rationale thing to accept as fact, just reject the gender traits nature established) and be a "New Woman." Screwing anyone and everyone for sexual freedom, acheive more than men, fight in the military (In which men have no reason being in), have a child and a career (create a latch key kid). Be burnt out, used, and emotionally exhausted into old age. Be the new victim of the 21st century!

My fix; Leave women alone! liberals and conservatives should stay the f*ck out of womens business and allow them to be women. Men and women are designed by either god or nature (doesn't matter which) and did fine without Liberals or Conservatives battling over them and trying to define them according to party philosopy.

Which is worse the "cult of liberal feminism" or a fundamentalist religion? Looks about the same to me. Women have power, the majority of it is incorrectly being compared to the achievements or accomplishemnts of men. It's akin to compare apples to oranges. Women have different goals and perspectives than men and any good man needs these traits to be successful as men.

Yep, you are to accept evolution as fact but redefine the gender roles nature established for men and make them effeminate metrosexuals and turn women into drunken, overworked tail chasing, emotionally bankrupt college frat boy.

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What happened to literacy?
Posted by: JNagarya on May 12, 2007 5:34 PM   
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The article author writes --

". . . . cultural phenomenon like "Porn Star" T-shirts and making out with your girlfriends . . . ."

"Phenomenon" is singular. "Phenomona" is plural -- more than one "phenomonon". It's no wonder we have a generation that doesn't know the difference between "people" -- plural -- and "person" -- individual.

On the positive side, perhaps we're finally arriving at a point where pursuit of truth will be placed above self-serving ambition by acknowledging and admitting that "sexism" has always been and remains a two-way street. And that the female is the central focus not only of males, but also of females.

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"A few bad apples" --
Posted by: JNagarya on May 12, 2007 6:16 PM   
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Where is "feminism" today? When the news of the heinous tortures committed at Abu Ghraib broke, there was shock -- and then confusion: among the equal-opportunity torturers were several women. But that was clarified and conclusively explained by older "feminists": the male torturers were, of course, responsible for their conduct, and to be punshed for it. But the women torturers? -- the fault -- and responsibility -- did not lie with them. They were "victims," ya see, of an abstract excuse called "patriarchy".

The male torturers in that situation were lucky they weren't found guilty not only for their crimes, but also for the identical crimes committed by their innocent, "victimized" female partners-in-equality.

If "feminists" -- or women in general -- want equal rights under the law, then they must also accept equal responsibility under the law, instead of constantly avoiding the latter by pointing their fingers away from themselves at a posited abstract by means of which whatever wrongs they do are invariably caused by and the responsibility of men.

Who is "infantilizing" women if not those who always seek a way to blame men -- "patriarchy" -- whenever the woman earns, and deserves, the negative consequences of her actions? Those who make the excuses, and teach how to always blame someone else -- in these contexts, "patriarchy" (men). "Feminists" today are always independently free to do anything they please -- including that of avoiding independent responsibility by blaming men for their own screw-ups. Face it: the war crime of torture is a war crime even when women do it.

I was for equal rights before women for five years before most women got wind of the issue. Frankly, I'm disappointed: the rhetoric is high and respectable; but it has about as much validity in real-time as Bush*it's claim to be a Christian. I'm still for equal rights for women; but I continue to wonder when that will happen, it being the reality that rights are inextricably entwined with responsibilities. The rights one claims are bogus when every time the other part of the equation -- responsibility -- comes up one blames some abstract, in this instance, "patriarchy".

In my state, if a male teacher has sex with an underage female student, it is statutory rape, and he gets 20 years, no question, no debate. When a female teacher does the same with an underage male, she's unlucky if she gets 5 years, with early parole after serving 2-2-1/5 years. I'm responsible for my actions and behaviors. I am not responsible for the actions and behaviors of those members of the opposite sex who claim to be free and mature -- but, when convenient, plead inability to direct their own lives, so that their actions are instead "actually" dictated by "patriarchy".

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Oppression? Being eligible for the draft --
Posted by: JNagarya on May 12, 2007 6:32 PM   
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This is well said --

"Well, perhaps it opens the door, but it certainly doesn't show the way. The story goes that down through the ages, men have had greater opportunity to evolve than women have, and we have largely failed. And women, on the other hand, could have evolved to unknown heights had men not actively repressed them. Well, there's no doubt some truth to the represssion part, but the belief that women would somehow display a higher state of human development if given the chance, is substantially bullshit."

But it leaves out the fact that everyone, regardless their sex, is oppressed, though in different ways. Traditionally, as example, only men have been eligible for the draft. Does a female -- a woman -- have any idea how life-arresting and future-cancelling that sword of Damacles is? No, she does not. Traditionally, throughout history, men have "oppressed" women by being the only sex to be cannon fodder thrown away in war in order to protect, ultimately, the future of his culture/society/country, by preserving women, and children.

Eggs are relatively rare. Sperm is a dime-a-million. "Any dude'll do" as the old song goes. Throughout history, men, not women (and children) have been expendable. Being expendable is inarguably, undeniably, incontrovertibly _OPPRESSION_.

The Feminists of the 1970s had it correct: they didn't seek to reinforce male militarism by demanding to be in the military; they were about ending (allegedly testosterone-driven) war. Most women of the day accepted that.

But most women drew the line when the Feminists said, "Wanna be independent, sister? Then get off the man's wallet." When those Feminists proposed repealing all alimony and child-support laws -- establishing genuine independence --it was "too radical" for most women's economic comfort.

Let's grow up, beyond the childish oversimplifications and finger-pointings at such abstracts as "patriarchy" as excuses for one's actions. Let's stop the lie that only women are oppressed. Let's see women, in every day life, day in and day out, accept responsibility not only for having equal rights, but also for having equal responsibilities.

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