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Is Bush Leading Us to Nuclear War?
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This alarmist vision was accompanied by the White House's release of "A National Strategy for Combating Terrorism," which painted a picture of a "troubling potential WMD terrorism nexus emanating from Tehran." The administration is building the case for war against Iran -- a job made easier by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent announcement that Iran can now enrich uranium on an industrial scale -- despite the fact that many Iran-watchers and nuclear experts consider their claims of enrichment capacity to be an overblown boast.
This is not the first time the "no-nuclear-weapons-for-you" ploy has been used to lay the groundwork for a war. On Oct. 7, 2002, while making the case for regime change in Iraq, President Bush said: "America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."
Yellow cake, aluminum tubes and histrionics about Saddam Hussein's nuclear capabilities followed ... all of which were challenged at the time, and have turned out to be completely fabricated. And, when not grinding the axe of pre-emptive war as counter-proliferation strategy, the administration periodically raises the specter of nuclear terrorism, in the form of dirty bombs and suitcase-sized warheads.
But while the United States demands that other countries end their nuclear programs, the Bush administration is busy planning a new generation of nuclear weapons. Nearly 20 years after the Berlin Wall crumbled, the United States is allocating more funding, on average, to nuclear weapons than during the Cold War.
The Bush administration is pumping this money -- more than $6 billion this year -- into renovating the nuclear weapons complex and designing new nuclear weapons. Such hypocrisy is one of the main obstacles to nuclear arms reductions because it runs the risk of shattering the 1970 Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in which the nuclear-armed states pledged to begin the process of disarmament if the non-nuclear states opted not to pursue the deadly technology.
The centerpiece of the administration's move toward developing a new generation of nuclear weapons is "Complex 2030," a multiyear plan introduced last April by the National Nuclear Security Administration (the semi-autonomous agency within the Department of Energy that oversees the nuclear weapons program).
Complex 2030 calls for the construction of new or upgraded facilities at each of the National Nuclear Security Administration's eight nuclear weapons-related sites throughout the country. The plan also calls for building a new nuclear weapon, the Reliable Replacement Warhead (RRW), inside the old warheads. The program was conceived in response to concerns that the cores of existing nuclear weapons could be wearing out and need to be replaced. But RRW development has gone much further than that.
The Department of Energy (DOE) notes in its summary of Complex 2030 that one of the major goals of the program is to "improve the capability to design, develop, certify and complete production of new or adapted warheads in the event of new military requirements." In short, while the Bush administration has publicly stressed reductions in nuclear weapons, it is working to produce new, more usable nuclear weapons.
Three small steps forward
As a candidate for president in 2000, and during his first months in office, Bush suggested that the United States should significantly cut its nuclear arsenal. In his first address before a joint session of Congress, the new president went so far as to pledge: "We can discard Cold War relics and reduce our own nuclear forces to reflect today's needs." He followed through on this promise with the 2002 Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty (SORT), which calls for reducing the U.S. and Russian nuclear arsenals from 6,000 each -- the limit established under the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty -- to between 1,700 and 2,200 warheads each over a 10-year period.
Presidents Bush and Putin signed the treaty at Konstantin Palace in St. Petersburg right after the city celebrated its 300th birthday in June 2003. Also known as the Treaty of Moscow, SORT has serious flaws. It has no method for verifying that each side is meeting its commitments; the cuts are not permanent -- neither side is obligated to destroy or dismantle the warheads, only to take them "off-line;" and both sides would have to agree to extend the treaty if they have not met their obligations by the time the treaty expires in 2012. After the Senate unanimously voted to ratify the treaty, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) called it "as flimsy a treaty as the Senate has ever considered." Yet even with these flaws, SORT establishes important benchmarks and offers the potential of trust-building between the former superpower rivals.
Another positive development occurred in mid-February, when the Bush administration, after years of work through the "six party talks," announced a deal with North Korea. The hermit nation agreed to take the first steps toward dismantling its nuclear program in exchange for large supplies of fuel oil and eventual political recognition. The first phase of the agreement calls for North Korea to take concrete steps within 60 days, including closing down its nuclear reactor at Yongbyon, getting inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency on the ground, and beginning to reveal the locations of its other nuclear facilities. In exchange, it will receive 50,000 tons of fuel oil at the end of the 60-day period. The agreement demonstrates that the Bush administration is slowly learning the nuances of diplomacy -- you have to give to get.
More good news surrounds the recent fate of the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator (RNEP). One of the most controversial new weapon designs proposed by the nuclear weapons complex, the RNEP promised to destroy hardened and deeply buried targets, such as underground bunkers containing chemical and biological weapons and military command centers. Such a difficult challenge would necessitate decades of steady and climbing investment, making it the kind of techno-fantasy that the nuclear weapons complex of the future would love to tackle.
In 2003, Congress allocated $15 million to study the RNEP. But in 2004 and 2005, Rep. David Hobson (R-Ohio), then chair of the Water and Energy Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, led successful fights to defund the RNEP. Later, he boasted: "It's dead, forget about it! Go conventional. If I have to kick it three or four times, I'm going to keep kicking at it until we think we've totally gotten it out of the way."
Giant leaps backward
The Bush administration has aggressively counteracted these small positive developments with a succession of negative and destabilizing actions and statements -- the most significant of which is the assertion that nuclear weapons are a central component of U.S. military and political strategy.
This stunner was concealed within the administration's 2002 Nuclear Posture Review (NPR), a Pentagon report that relies on input from the Joint Chiefs and the armed services to define the role of nuclear weapons in U.S. security. The final classified report concluded that nuclear weapons "play a critical role in the defense capabilities of the United States, its allies and friends."
Submitted to Congress in January 2002, the NPR was not made public until portions were leaked to the press two months later. It states, "The need is clear for a revitalized nuclear weapons complex that will ... be able, if directed, to design, develop, manufacture and certify new warheads in response to new national requirements; and maintain readiness to resume underground testing if required."
The NPR introduces the concept of a "new Triad," composed of nuclear and non-nuclear strike capabilities, defensive systems, and "responsive infrastructure" for maintaining and/or producing nuclear weapons as requested. The report also emphasizes the development of creative new nuclear weapons -- like low-yield or surgical warheads that are able to "reduce collateral damage," and nuclear bombs with "earth penetrating" capabilities.
The NPR concluded that nuclear weapons "provide credible military options to deter a wide range of threats, including WMD and large-scale conventional military force." The Bush NPR explicitly named potential targets -- Iran, Syria, North Korea, China and Russia. The review explained that the United States might use nuclear weapons to retaliate for the use of chemical or biological weapons against U.S. targets, as the ultimate tool in a military conflict over Taiwan, or, disturbingly, as a response to undefined "surprising developments." Proliferation trumps prevention
During the Cold War, spending on nuclear weapons averaged $4.2 billion a year. When the Cold War ended, DOE officials and members of Congress imagined the conversion of the nuclear weapons complex. But innovative proposals for civilian or green technology labs never got off the ground, and the nuclear labs successfully lobbied Congress for a new infusion of weapons money. By the end of President Clinton's tenure, nuclear weapons activities within the DOE's annual budget had jumped to $5.2 billion -- more than the Cold War average, but less than what the new Bush administration would say it needed.
Since then, spending on nuclear weapons has increased by almost 14 percent to a 2007 total of $6.4 billion (after adjustment for inflation), but it is not enough to satisfy a nuclear-obsessed administration. The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA), formed in 2000 to manage the nation's nuclear weapons complex within the DOE, has a five-year "National Security Plan" that calls for annual increases that will push the nuclear weapons budget to $7.4 billion by 2012.
Compare these significant increases in nuclear spending to what the DOE is allocating for non-proliferation and prevention of nuclear conflict. The NNSA spends more than nine times more on "Atomic Energy Defense Activities" -- a category that includes nuclear weapons, naval nuclear reactors and environmental cleanup at military nuclear facilities -- than it does on nuclear arms reductions and non-proliferation.
In addition, spending on nuclear weapons research, development and maintenance in the DOE budget far outpaces the funding devoted to the development of alternative energy sources, a critical need in the age of global warming and dwindling oil supplies. The DOE's proposed budget for "Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy" -- which includes non-nuclear, non-fossil fuel forms of energy -- is $1.2 billion for FY 2008, one-thirteenth of expenditures on "Atomic Energy Defense Activities."
Upgrading nuclear capabilities
Under Complex 2030, the NNSA is taking steps to boost the U.S. ability to test and produce new warheads, and to consolidate production of uranium, plutonium and non-nuclear components within nuclear weapons.
The central component of Complex 2030 is the Reliable Replacement Warhead (RRW) program. The official rationale for the RRW program is to produce weapons that are safer and more durable than the warheads in the current stockpile. Supporters of RRW fear that the components of nuclear weapons could wear out and that the only way to know if the warheads are viable is to replace their inner workings. And -- the line of thinking continues -- as long as scientists are replacing the plutonium or uranium cores, they might as well "tweak" the weapon's design.
But the assertion that the old nuclear weapons need to be replaced by reliable new warheads is undermined by a recent NNSA study that indicates that the existing plutonium triggers, or "pits," may be viable for another 90 to 100 years. The report, issued in November and reviewed by an independent panel of scientists and academics, indicates the need for considerable skepticism of the Complex 2030 claims.
In addition, the RRW program will establish the infrastructure needed for future development of new warheads with new capabilities. A key element of this upgraded and consolidated nuclear infrastructure is a new facility to produce "pits," the plutonium triggers that set off the explosion of a hydrogen bomb. The DOE has proposed constructing a Modern Pit Facility, but Congress has deemed the $2 to $4 billion price tag too steep, and has rejected funding proposals for two years running.
As an alternative, the department is pushing the idea of a Consolidated Plutonium Center (CPC) that would bring all of the plutonium-related activities together at one site. The new facility would be a sort of "modern pit facility-plus," capable each year of producing 125 plutonium pits to trigger nuclear weapons, and at the same time develop new military applications for plutonium.
This more expansive concept is likely to cost more than the facility alone, but NNSA has yet to provide a cost estimate to Congress. A small down payment for the CPC -- $24.9 million -- is proposed in the FY 2008 budget; budget projections for continuing work on the CPC total $282 million through 2012.
Under Complex 2030, the new CPC will be one of a series "transformed" and "consolidated" nuclear sites. Currently, there are eight facilities -- Los Alamos National Laboratory (N.M.), Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (Calif.) and Sandia National Laboratories (N.M.), the Nevada Test Site (R&D activities, including sub-critical experiments), the Oak Ridge Y-12 Plant in Tennessee (uranium and other components), the Pantex Plant in Texas (warhead assembly, disassembly, disposal), the Kansas City Plant (non-nuclear components), and the Savannah River Site (tritium extraction and handling) in Georgia.
While Complex 2030 would mandate that some of the sites have a smaller "footprint" (less floor space), it would also require the investment of tens of billions of dollars for new or upgraded factories, including two new factories -- a Highly Enriched Uranium Materials Facility (HEUMF) and a Uranium Processing Facility (UPF) -- at the Y-12 site; a new Chemistry and Metallurgy Research Replacement facility at Los Alamos National Laboratory to "support plutonium operations"; a new factory for the production of non-nuclear components of nuclear weapons at the current site of the Kansas City plant; and significant upgrades at the Pantex warhead assembly/disassembly facility. The spending on the CPC is only a small portion of the as yet unknown costs of the Complex 2030 initiative. Broken pledges, skeptical Congress
All of this raises concerns for Robert Civiak. A program examiner for Department of Energy national security programs in 1988 and 1989, Civiak now does research for Tri-Valley Cares, a group that advocates the elimination of nuclear weapons. He calls the Reliable Replacement Warhead a "multibillion dollar effort to redesign and replace every nuclear weapon in the U.S. arsenal." Jay Coghlan, executive director at Nuclear Watch of New Mexico, agrees, calling RRW a "nukes forever program, and a Trojan horse for future new designs."
NNSA's planning documents call for the production of the first RRW by 2012, and according to analysis by James Sterngold in the San Francisco Chronicle, the work is already beginning. He writes, "Lab officials said researchers not only have produced extensive designs ... but they have already conducted non-nuclear tests of the critical detonation devices and other components. They have begun to plan in detail how the weapons would be manufactured."
Rep. Pete Visclosky (D-Ind.), the new chairman of the House Energy and Water Appropriations Subcommittee, has criticized the RRW project for its "make-it-up-as-you-go-along" approach. "There appears to have been little thought given to the question of why the United States needs to build new nuclear warheads at this time," he says. "My preference is that the DOE would have spent their resources reconfiguring the old Cold War complex and dismantling obsolete warheads." He has not ruled out slowing or eliminating the RRW if the administration is unable to present a strategy "that defines the future mission, the emerging threats and the specific U.S. nuclear stockpile necessary to achieve strategic goals."
The 110th Congress and beyond
In an August 2005 speech to a symposium on post-cold war nuclear strategy, Rep. Hobson described the administration's call for research on new bombs and the Nuclear Earth Penetrator as "very provocative and overly aggressive policies that undermine our moral authority to argue that other nations should forgo nuclear weapons."
Hobson's concerns are shared by a number of his colleagues on the other side of the aisle, including Reps. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), John Spratt (D-S.C.) and Lynne Woolsey (D-Calif.), all of whom joined him in successfully leading an effort to defund the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator. Skepticism about the need for massive investment in nuclear weapons at a time of huge war bills and growing deficits, a growing sophistication about nuclear issues, and a Democratic majority means that for the first time in years the nuclear weapons complex is feeling the heat.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) represents the state that houses the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, which recently won the Reliable Replacement Warhead competition. In a press release issued after the decision, she said, "While I appreciate the fact that Lawrence Livermore was selected, this in no way answers my questions about the Reliable Replacement Warhead program" -- a program that she remains "100 percent opposed to."
Despite support from the White House, the DOE, key contractors, and a number of powerful members of Congress such as Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.), Rep. Zach Wamp (R-Tenn.) and Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) -- all of whom have nuclear weapons facilities in their states or districts -- the Complex 2030 plan to modernize the U.S. nuclear weapons infrastructure may be scaled back or rejected by congressional opponents, who will receive backing from arms control and environmental organizations.
But it will take more than cutting a million here or a billion there, more than gunning against a specific corner of the Complex 2030 plan, more than defunding the most aggressive or alarming aspects of the nuclear weapons complex, to deal with nuclear weapons in the 21st century. Members of Congress are going to need to challenge the bedrock of administration foreign policy -- that nuclear weapons should occupy center stage as a guarantor of U.S. security.
But they will not do that without being pushed -- and pushed hard -- by civil society. The urgency of the task creates opportunities for a big tent of strange bedfellows to work together: Weary cold warriors like George Shultz, William Perry, Henry Kissinger and Sam Nunn, who in January co-authored a Wall Street Journal op-ed titled "A World Free of Nuclear Weapons"; well-established Washington organizations like the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the Arms Control Association; disarmament activists like Helen Caldicott and the Abolition 2000 network; and members of the international community from the United Nations on down are all saying the same thing: The United States cannot insist that other nations disarm or opt not to pursue nuclear technology, while aggressively ramping up U.S. nuclear capabilities. This hypocrisy cannot stand.
Global security through nuclear disarmament or a world awash in nuclear weapons. The choice is obvious. And it is ours to make.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 23, 2007 12:18 AM
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Don't know where
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Some sunny day.....
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Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2007 3:29 AM
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First, he has no concept of military leadership, the result of being commissioned in the National Guard without any officer training whatsoever.
Second, by his own admission, he makes decisions based on gut instinct, without using the best minds and information available.
Third, Shrub is a born-again Christian who believes he’s on a mission from God to spread freedom and democracy throughout the Middle East.
The combination of those character traits will, I believe, based on my four years of Bush research, cause him to order a preemptive nuclear strike against Iran in 2008. Only the Pentagon can stop him – specifically, Marine General Peter Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
The big question then becomes, will Gen. Pace act like an American patriot instead of a White House lapdog and declare the Oval Office order unconstitutional – i.e. a declaration of war without the approval of Congress?
We had all better pray he does.
For more information about why President Bush is such a dangerous leader, visit my nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, the only one with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: Universal on May 23, 2007 3:39 AM
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So you think the overused word class here has nothing to do with class interests, class elites, and class hierarchies, then the recent revelations that the U.S. and U.S. corporations, like Chiquita and others finance death squads to murder labor organizers, innocent civilians, just as German corporate fascism financed Herr Hitler, with its corrupted middle layers, the class mercenaries, shock troops who defend this madness, imperial, nuclear annihilation. Yet both the Amerikans and Israelis have learned nothing from the Holocaust, the class ideology of fascism, which murdered millions of Jews, when in fact their class ideology states both explicity, and implicitly "Ever again", not "Never again" to another Holocaust, and period of Western Corporate fascism.
The only way we will clean house, clean up this rot, is to understand that an "independent" ideology is one that breaks from Corporate, class interests, and class ideology, that makes us all fools for supporting the class nationalist, imperialist fake opposition of Democrats, whos ideology, is class liberalism, not the revolutionary liberalism of the Enlightenment, and Karl Marx. We need not only a new party to represent the interests of middle-working class interests, who are not tied to the fascist oligarchy above.
These fascist clowns, soldiers have no brains or compassion. They are the stuff of mindless mercenaries, goosestepping into the rot of their Fuehrer, Bush, republicans and democrats. The whole world is becoming Al Quaida because we have defined innocent people worthy of extinction, by the racist remarks of this soldier. Either we throw out these fascists, or the world will do to us what it did to Nazi Germany, total defeat and destruction.
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Posted by: ggmurray on May 23, 2007 4:30 AM
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Insanity at the top does not equal insanity of the people. Just say NO. And SPEAK, VOTE, and LIVE instead the kind of America we want for ourselves and the world.
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Posted by: mgloraine on May 23, 2007 4:53 AM
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Making more or better or just newer nukes won't alter the prospect of nuclear terrorism one iota, since the issue with a retaliatory strike against a terrorist group is where to target. What are we going to do, bomb the presumed country (or countries) of origin of the alleged culprits? What if they're Canadian? or American?
This doesn't have anything to do with terrorism or any other perceived threat currently on the scene, this is just business as usual for the military-industrial complex. Rule Number One: It's all about the money. Rule Number Two: It's ONLY about the money.
Weapons mongers of any sort have to make sales to stay in business, so they will readily support the campaign efforts of anyone promising to keep their revenues up. Having helped pay for the Bush White House, they naturally expect the pay-back. Conventional arms dealers are doing just fine with the whole Afghanistan/Iraq debacle being dragged out for maximum profits, but we're not dropping any nukes (yet). So a big, fat, open-ended Research and Development program disguised as Maintenance looks like a handy means for channelling cash to one's political supporters, doesn't it? All the justifications are merely rhetorical window-dressing.
The hypocrisy of demanding that the rest of the world "do as we say, not as we do", appears glaring. But glaring hypocrisy has not deterred the Bush League on any occasion prior to this, so it's probably unrealistic to expect any pangs of conscience to interfere while the money still flows.
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Posted by: gdonald on May 23, 2007 6:19 AM
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In the world of Nukes, I feel the same. Nuclear deterrence is the only way to make the bad guy think twice before he launches on you.
Having said that I will say this.
As with carrying a gun and with possessing nuclear capabilities comes a very serious responsibility to be sure that you have a well defined structure that determines when you can use such lethal force. We have these structures already built in but it also requires constant training and vigilance by the entities possessing such forces to make sure that these lethal forces are in proper working order and cannot be used wrongly. This is where we the people come in. The United States has developed perameters for the use of Nukes. The authorizations for the use must run through a series of confirmations in order to launch. It is therefor prudent that we the people make sure we are electing to office those who are not war mongers. The current system of Democrat's and Republican's does not offer me the peace of mind that they are acting in the best interests of we the people. President Bush is definitely one of those examples of a man that should not possess the football. In looking at the field of candidates for the 2008 Presidential elections I am also not given much peace of mind. I will go to the polls and vote for independent candidates only because I see that we have reached a point in our nation that unless we the people make the change, the changes that our current politicians are offering gives me little hope that we have much of a bright future. This should concern us all for our children and their children's futures. We're at the edge of a cliff and unless we change course we are going to go off that cliff into the abyss.
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» Never said deterrence is self defense.
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Posted by: rwa on May 23, 2007 6:26 AM
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By Charley Reese
The Orlando Sentinel
Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?
A: Israel.
Q: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?
A: Israel.
Q: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses? A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?
A: Israel.
Q: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?
A: Israel.
Q: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?
A: Israel.
Q: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?
A: Israel.
Q: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?
A: Israel.
Q: What country is the United States threatening to bomb because “U.N. Security Council resolutions must be obeyed?”
A: Israel's enemy du juer.
and a few add-ons…
Q: Which country in the Middle East has Attacked the US twice in known false flag operations (not including 911) the Lavon Affair and the USS Liberty attack?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country Spied on the US multiple times with the Pollad scandal, the ADL (1993 during the first WTC bombing) the Art Students, and AIPAC?
A: Israel .
Q: Which is the only foreign country whose lobby - the most powerful foreign lobby in Washington - doesn’t have to register as an agent of a foreign government or abide by the restrictions on foreign lobbies?”
A: Israel.
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You don't get steel beams the size of houses blown out across the streets and buried feet deep into buildings without micro-nukes being used, instead of when buildings merely "fall" due to structural "stress".
We've ALREADY had the first nuclear attack on US soil, and THEY PULLED IT.
In more ways than one.
Men that would use nuclear weapons on their own people to increase their wealth would think nothing of taking out entire countries to achieve the same objectives in a desperate attempt to maintain power at all costs when EVERYTHING was crumbling around them.
And one of the biggest bastards juiced in on that day, Gulliani, wants to be NaziGOP PRESIDENT?
This ain't hell YET, as much as you've tried to make it so, you treasonous bastards.
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» My "Nonsensical Baloney"...when the only flaws you have yet to address are spelling errors!!!
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Posted by: ~Fiona~ on May 23, 2007 7:14 AM
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Please stop posting so many pix of this monster... I HATE Him!
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on May 23, 2007 7:41 AM
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By forcing our will on people all over the world, we can be assured that eventually people will try to get revenge - or simply defend themselves. If this country doesn't stop killing people, backing coups, and spending billions to prop up dictators, we'll never have peace and security.
Our own nuclear stockpile - and use of them in the past - is a major part of the problem. No nation has ever had such a greater national OF-fense in history. It's time we focused, instead, on a national DE-fense...
Some further thoughts...
"Leaders Don't Kill People..." - click here
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 23, 2007 7:56 AM
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Those corporate groups include Bechtel, BWXT, the Washington Group, Battelle Memorial Institute - for example, see Glorious contracts awarded to corporate cronies of the Bush Administration
The LLNS team was formed to manage and operate Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory by entities renowned for their expertise and accomplishments throughout the DOE nuclear weapons complex and beyond. Bechtel is the largest project management contractor in the United States. The University of California is the world's largest academic research institution. BWX Technologies and Washington Group International are the top two DOE nuclear facilities contractors and between them manage and operate four of DOE's five safest sites. Battelle is a global leader in science and technology and commercializes technology, performs contract research and manages laboratories for government and industry. The team also includes Texas A&M University, which provides an important academic alliance.
So, it's not just a plan that's being carried out by the US government under the direction of George W. Bush - private contractors with close ties to the Bushes are raking in billions as well, and the nation's most prestigious public universities are actively providing the cover for this plan.
The corporate Democrats are also in on the general plan; Dianne Feinstein is married to Richard Blum, President of the UC Regents and an architect of the UC-Bechtel-BWXT-Battelle "management team" for Livermore labs.
This secretive alignment of private business interests, politicians, and government and academic bureaucrats is a hallmark of totalitarian governments from Nazi Germany to Soviet Russia. It looks like protofascism, but it's probably just another bloated armament contract for the military industrial complex.
But could it lead to nuclear warfare? Yes. It's not just nuclear warfare either. To many people, Project Bioshield looks like a cover for offensive biowarfare research, primarily under the guidance of Battelle Memorial Institute. This is why Battelle is involved at Lawrence Livermore; they're planning on using the shield of nuclear secrecy to prevent oversight of their biowarfare research.
Nukes, smallpox, and GW Bush - the global terror team.
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Posted by: Bulldog on May 23, 2007 8:26 AM
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1) Much of the current & future Yellowcake supply trail leads back to the Russian Federation:-
Analysis of the Nuclear Fuel Availability at EU Level from a Security of Supply Perspective:
Right-click: Save as: - .pdf file 206Kb.
Euratom Supply Agency – Advisory Committee
Task Force on Security of Supply
Final Report of the Task Force
June 2005.
2) Used nuclear fuel from Civil Magnox reactors gets recycled by the ‘Tripartite’ UK, Germany & France in Plutonium production Reactors like Cap-de-la Hague 'SuperPheonix' on the North French coast just across the English channel. Sales of Reactor grade Uranium 238 from this source were to be sold to IRAN as part of the 'No-Nukes for You' assurance deal, at elevated prices. That's allegedly partly why the Iranians turned down that offer as 'too pricey', of their own admittance.
The Civil reactor program is an integrated part of the Nuclear weapons cycle. Without the sales of 'Weapons grade Plutonium' through the above schema the civil program could end up with insufficient funds to finance the decommissioning of civil reactors or their safe maintenance. An episode of this sort can be found with the example of the Chernobyl incident where the SALT treaty had forced the closure of Russia’s then nuclear weapons production needs and capacity. This was my reasoning in a long letter I sent to Radio Moscow science correspondents just 6 weeks before the Chernobyl meltdown.
I alleged they they could not afford to pay for stringent safety protocol enforcement. Moscow replied on the radio but clearly not with any intent or ability for timely intervention.
The UK Government also reiterated this week that it would not be financing the redevelopment of the civil nuclear program within this country but would be looking to tend it out to private investment solely, as has been the case in the USA for decades. Thus dubious profiteering could take precedence over safety if the nuclear weapons cycle is not sustained. Hence the continued need for nuclear weapons we see repeated today by Bush & Co.
The Military Industrial Complex is busy 'staging the future'. Nuclear war is unlikely even though from a business perspective 'Peace is Abhorrent' to this industry.
In a world ruled by the 'War on Terror' and the unfolding schism of US/UK versus Russian Federation states, the new enemy could conveniently become the old enemy 'Russia'. Convenient in these ways:
a) From the COLD-WAR stemmed the death of 20 Million mostly civilians in 'proxy-wars' fought on behalf of the superpowers. Any war fought without a substantiatable loss of civilian life is not considered a real war when the militarists are attempting to redraw the global map.
b) From the end of the COLD-WAR stemmed the Afghan / Al-Qaeda fabrication, and hence the self-sustaining 'war-on-terror'
c) Once any conflict with the Russia Federation or it's so-called rogue states is accomplished, then the cycle of a self-perpetuating warfighter business is closed!
America's would be beneficial 'Minding the Gap' Pentagon strategy for globalizing responses to potential conflict could be de-railed if the business precepts for the securing of energy supply & substantial warfighting profits take precedence over the securing of a fair global economic relationship.
Juntawatch
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Posted by: fanny666 on May 23, 2007 9:13 AM
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Bush has not followed Article 6 of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. According to Article 6, section 2 of the US Constitution such treaties are the "supreme law of the Land." Therefore, Bush's nuclear programs are illegal, unconstitutional, and impeachable.
Write to your House Rep, be polite, be specific.
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Posted by: willymack on May 23, 2007 9:34 AM
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Posted by: Ghoulman on May 23, 2007 9:54 AM
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Once the Cold War ended the USA was desperate for an enemy, a reason for spending half of every tax dollar on the largest military on Earth or ever. Think about it. The Military Congressional Industrial Complex needed a reason to exist. Policing the world didn't work (Clinton and Bush Sr. struggled to find a new role for the US military), so terrorism had to be spun as a world wide attack on the USA, even though terrorism is and simply can't possibly be any real threat to society by any stretch of the imagination. But never under-estimate the ability of the US to make propoganda and create a world wide terror network out of thin air and the compliance of the media, other world leaders, etc. There had to be a new enemy, kinda like the old enemy, a War on Terror and Tehran had to be the center of the terrorist threat, which neatly included the lies about there being a nuclear threat.
The world is placing itself, like pieces on a chess board, to occupy the newly defined Cold War curtain. Iran will be the new evil empire, Africa will be where the war is fought as China and the West gobble up the remaining assets, murdering millions all the while.
Really, it's not hard to see what motivates the economic imperatives of the USA. An economy based on greed alone, where the most ruthless big business is the hero and supported by a government committed to maintaining a constant fear of destruction.
Think about it. Realistically, right now, except for Russian nukes I suppose, there is no threat to American society... at all.
This is what today looks like, twenty years from now it will look the same and Americans will still believe they are under constant attack and feel justified in slaughtering millions.
"Now thou art come unto a feast of death." - William Shakespeare, Henry VI
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Posted by: babs on May 23, 2007 12:03 PM
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And you can all dispassionately discuss who did what, and when, who said what and do we believe them, but against this real threat from a demonstrably psychopathic regime, the whole world has become the wild west - lawless and barbaric - and the smirking sherrif wants to settle some scores in the biggest way possible. We tiny people, who work to pay for these horrors, are fish in a barrel waiting to be picked off.
I wonder where Bush & Cheney think they're going to live when nuclear, er nucular, winter sets in? Personally, I vote for 6 feet under - and in a pine box, not a bunker.
The world is begging America (not Bushco but the real "freedom and justice" America) to look hard at what your government is doing in your name, without your knowledge. Please, can you use the freedoms that you still have to bring these thugs to justice before it is way too late?
If the world had another super power whose mission it was to take out dangerous regimes, the Bush government would be number one with a bullet, and we would all breathe a bit easier.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on May 23, 2007 12:16 PM
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National security priorities have definitely changed and weapons requirements have changed along with them. The need to a stockpile of 6,000 warheads seems to be a strategy of the past.. Huge broadsides of nuclear exchanges, while a great deterrent, was only that.
I can’t imagine any situation today requiring 6,000 war head response if any nuclear response is warranted at all. A mere hundred would seem to suffice for any nation.
The nuclear proliferation to countries such as N Korea, Iran, China's increasing stockpiles combined with the delivery technology unfortunately demands that the US maintain some inventory level and a modern deterrent strategy. To do this weapons systems and the weapons themselves need to be modernized and updated.
So while the “Reliable Weapons Warhead” program is supposed to provide the US with much more modern, stable & safe platform to manufacture weapons with an eye on long term safety concerning regarding weapons stockpiles. -
I'd rather see funds directed toward terrorists activities and way of preventing them from acquiring WMD - downsizing our stockpiles and enhancing the technology for launch detection and delivery
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Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2007 1:28 PM
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Yeah, right. The Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds would love that -- having Al Qaeda fighters living in their midst, the same secular fanatics that randomly killed their men, women and children by the thousands. Not even loyal Republicans with room-temperature IQ would accept that far-fetched scenario as possible.
It’s time to impeach both Bush and Cheney and take our chances with President Pelosi. She couldn’t do any worse.
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If that was AlterNet's intent, it screwed up big time. As during 9/11, in WWIII our cowardly commander-in-chief would be hiding in the deepest Defense Department bunker possible.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on May 23, 2007 9:27 PM
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Seig heil to zee spirit of Goebbels unt Goring! Unt say bye-bye to zee Reichstag...er Congress, dat today "burned demselves down" in support uf our Supreme Kommandant.
Raise your glass to zee new "Master Race:" zee Neocon Volkszenmurderen.
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» mein Fuhrer!
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Posted by: David Baker on May 24, 2007 12:09 AM
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Personally, I think it would be great for everybody if the only threat the terrorists posed to America was a moral one.
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on May 24, 2007 2:15 AM
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You guys can vent your spleen all you want here, because sociopaths are not convinced by logic or fear of their reputations.
Is even the mild punishment of impeachment possible? Not really. Our only hope was the "new" Democrapic congress, and they rolled over and are playing dead.
So just enjoy the days you have left and hope they will last at least until the next election, when we may have a chance to get rid of the Democraps that have rolled over.
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Posted by: mommy64 on May 24, 2007 7:01 AM
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your corporations,
we disassembled,
we crated,
we shipped.
we protected them,
by truck, by train, by sea, by plane,
we scorned, we chided
those who challenged our authority,
we used your institutions
to create a global protection racket
with our experience,
we profited,
we sent you the bill
we call taxation.
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Posted by: Syz on May 28, 2007 4:05 PM
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Iraq is not about a love affair for Bush or the opinions of Media pundits, Pelosi and her gang of Chavaz marxists, nor is it about the courage or cowardice of our men in battle, but about The United States and its allies to determine which side of history we want to be on: those who connect to freedom or those who disconnect to achieve tyranny.
Obviously, Pelosi and her congress have chosen tyranny as our contribution for the Iraqi citizens and worse, she represented herself to our enemies as an American while doing so.
The cauldron you continually stir has rusted out my friends. Watch and see how Chavaz puts it ALL in his pocket and you'll see what the liberal Con at your feet is doing to The United States. Give up salivating over the joy of failure and try being an American.
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Posted by: richholland on May 29, 2007 12:32 AM
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although mein kampf was a forbidden book in the netherlands sometimes small parts of it came in the press:
i.e. the Nazis wanted acess to grain(Oekraine) and oil (Russia.
i. the German and Austrian feared the American and English capitalisme on one side and the Russian communisme on the other side of their countries.
Of course I know the only aim of the USA are to liberate people; to save envirment, to give everybody human rights.
America the land of the brave and honorfull.
Could it be possible that it might be dangerous if some families own very very much money and power????
Could it be possible their is a tiny little bit danger inside the American system??????/
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Don't know where
Don't know when
But I know we'll meet again
Some sunny day.....
Tom Degan
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"The Rant" by Tom Degan>
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Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2007 3:29 AM
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First, he has no concept of military leadership, the result of being commissioned in the National Guard without any officer training whatsoever.
Second, by his own admission, he makes decisions based on gut instinct, without using the best minds and information available.
Third, Shrub is a born-again Christian who believes he’s on a mission from God to spread freedom and democracy throughout the Middle East.
The combination of those character traits will, I believe, based on my four years of Bush research, cause him to order a preemptive nuclear strike against Iran in 2008. Only the Pentagon can stop him – specifically, Marine General Peter Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
The big question then becomes, will Gen. Pace act like an American patriot instead of a White House lapdog and declare the Oval Office order unconstitutional – i.e. a declaration of war without the approval of Congress?
We had all better pray he does.
For more information about why President Bush is such a dangerous leader, visit my nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, the only one with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: Universal on May 23, 2007 3:39 AM
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So you think the overused word class here has nothing to do with class interests, class elites, and class hierarchies, then the recent revelations that the U.S. and U.S. corporations, like Chiquita and others finance death squads to murder labor organizers, innocent civilians, just as German corporate fascism financed Herr Hitler, with its corrupted middle layers, the class mercenaries, shock troops who defend this madness, imperial, nuclear annihilation. Yet both the Amerikans and Israelis have learned nothing from the Holocaust, the class ideology of fascism, which murdered millions of Jews, when in fact their class ideology states both explicity, and implicitly "Ever again", not "Never again" to another Holocaust, and period of Western Corporate fascism.
The only way we will clean house, clean up this rot, is to understand that an "independent" ideology is one that breaks from Corporate, class interests, and class ideology, that makes us all fools for supporting the class nationalist, imperialist fake opposition of Democrats, whos ideology, is class liberalism, not the revolutionary liberalism of the Enlightenment, and Karl Marx. We need not only a new party to represent the interests of middle-working class interests, who are not tied to the fascist oligarchy above.
These fascist clowns, soldiers have no brains or compassion. They are the stuff of mindless mercenaries, goosestepping into the rot of their Fuehrer, Bush, republicans and democrats. The whole world is becoming Al Quaida because we have defined innocent people worthy of extinction, by the racist remarks of this soldier. Either we throw out these fascists, or the world will do to us what it did to Nazi Germany, total defeat and destruction.
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Posted by: ggmurray on May 23, 2007 4:30 AM
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Insanity at the top does not equal insanity of the people. Just say NO. And SPEAK, VOTE, and LIVE instead the kind of America we want for ourselves and the world.
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Posted by: mgloraine on May 23, 2007 4:53 AM
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Making more or better or just newer nukes won't alter the prospect of nuclear terrorism one iota, since the issue with a retaliatory strike against a terrorist group is where to target. What are we going to do, bomb the presumed country (or countries) of origin of the alleged culprits? What if they're Canadian? or American?
This doesn't have anything to do with terrorism or any other perceived threat currently on the scene, this is just business as usual for the military-industrial complex. Rule Number One: It's all about the money. Rule Number Two: It's ONLY about the money.
Weapons mongers of any sort have to make sales to stay in business, so they will readily support the campaign efforts of anyone promising to keep their revenues up. Having helped pay for the Bush White House, they naturally expect the pay-back. Conventional arms dealers are doing just fine with the whole Afghanistan/Iraq debacle being dragged out for maximum profits, but we're not dropping any nukes (yet). So a big, fat, open-ended Research and Development program disguised as Maintenance looks like a handy means for channelling cash to one's political supporters, doesn't it? All the justifications are merely rhetorical window-dressing.
The hypocrisy of demanding that the rest of the world "do as we say, not as we do", appears glaring. But glaring hypocrisy has not deterred the Bush League on any occasion prior to this, so it's probably unrealistic to expect any pangs of conscience to interfere while the money still flows.
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Posted by: gdonald on May 23, 2007 6:19 AM
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In the world of Nukes, I feel the same. Nuclear deterrence is the only way to make the bad guy think twice before he launches on you.
Having said that I will say this.
As with carrying a gun and with possessing nuclear capabilities comes a very serious responsibility to be sure that you have a well defined structure that determines when you can use such lethal force. We have these structures already built in but it also requires constant training and vigilance by the entities possessing such forces to make sure that these lethal forces are in proper working order and cannot be used wrongly. This is where we the people come in. The United States has developed perameters for the use of Nukes. The authorizations for the use must run through a series of confirmations in order to launch. It is therefor prudent that we the people make sure we are electing to office those who are not war mongers. The current system of Democrat's and Republican's does not offer me the peace of mind that they are acting in the best interests of we the people. President Bush is definitely one of those examples of a man that should not possess the football. In looking at the field of candidates for the 2008 Presidential elections I am also not given much peace of mind. I will go to the polls and vote for independent candidates only because I see that we have reached a point in our nation that unless we the people make the change, the changes that our current politicians are offering gives me little hope that we have much of a bright future. This should concern us all for our children and their children's futures. We're at the edge of a cliff and unless we change course we are going to go off that cliff into the abyss.
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» Nuclear deterrance
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» Nuclear deterrance is not "self-defense writ large."
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» Never said deterrence is self defense.
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Posted by: rwa on May 23, 2007 6:26 AM
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By Charley Reese
The Orlando Sentinel
Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?
A: Israel.
Q: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?
A: Israel.
Q: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses? A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?
A: Israel.
Q: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?
A: Israel.
Q: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?
A: Israel.
Q: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?
A: Israel.
Q: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?
A: Israel.
Q: What country is the United States threatening to bomb because “U.N. Security Council resolutions must be obeyed?”
A: Israel's enemy du juer.
and a few add-ons…
Q: Which country in the Middle East has Attacked the US twice in known false flag operations (not including 911) the Lavon Affair and the USS Liberty attack?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country Spied on the US multiple times with the Pollad scandal, the ADL (1993 during the first WTC bombing) the Art Students, and AIPAC?
A: Israel .
Q: Which is the only foreign country whose lobby - the most powerful foreign lobby in Washington - doesn’t have to register as an agent of a foreign government or abide by the restrictions on foreign lobbies?”
A: Israel.
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» Are you serious? a nation's INTERNAL sytsem, should not determine whether or not they can have nukes
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» Has nothing to do with my point....
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» RE: And here I thought it was Israel....yet no clue to class nationalism/class tyranny/Empire
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 23, 2007 6:32 AM
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Posted by: xbj on May 23, 2007 6:40 AM
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You don't get steel beams the size of houses blown out across the streets and buried feet deep into buildings without micro-nukes being used, instead of when buildings merely "fall" due to structural "stress".
We've ALREADY had the first nuclear attack on US soil, and THEY PULLED IT.
In more ways than one.
Men that would use nuclear weapons on their own people to increase their wealth would think nothing of taking out entire countries to achieve the same objectives in a desperate attempt to maintain power at all costs when EVERYTHING was crumbling around them.
And one of the biggest bastards juiced in on that day, Gulliani, wants to be NaziGOP PRESIDENT?
This ain't hell YET, as much as you've tried to make it so, you treasonous bastards.
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» RE: When logic fails try personal attacks!
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» RE: My Lord the shills must be TERRIFIED that people will discover the truth for themselves
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» SOFTENED Steel...Have you ever seen a highway gas-tanker accident?... Steel Bridges Collapse!!!
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» Don't worry...I don't critique arguments based on spelling errors!! (N/T)
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» The building itselsef Pulverized..under the weight of a 110 stories of concrete and steel collapsing
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» RE: I'm through arguing with a ridiculous person that spells the word "ridiculous" "rediculous"
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» All day resaerch on Micro nukes....its all Circumstantial Hypothesizing, and not very convincing
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» My "Nonsensical Baloney"...when the only flaws you have yet to address are spelling errors!!!
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» RE: She did.
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» RE: She did.
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» RE: I now have no choice but...
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» Obviously. SOMEONE is obviously threatened by the truth judging from the rabid response.
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» RE: Nah, you still beat me fair and square with the personal threats, I never go "out there." U win.
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» How can we miss you if you won't go away?
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» RE: Backpedaling... the last refuge of someone afraid they've gone too far making threats
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» Talking to his mirror again
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» RE: proof of micro-nukes found!
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» RE: the final refuge of a moron... MORE personal threats
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» RE: Lord Xenu gave Karl Rove and the NaziGOP mini-nuke technologies 75 million years ago...
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» RE: you are a blithering idiot
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» RE: Micro-Nuke soupcans for Hillary in '08!
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» RE: The more crap you spew, the more you completely validate what I originally posted.
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» RE: The more crap you spew, the more you completely validate what I originally posted.
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» RE: The more crap you spew, the more you completely validate what I originally posted.
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» RE: The more crap you spew, the more you completely validate what I originally posted.
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» RE: The more crap you spew, the more you completely validate what I originally posted.
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» RE: The more crap you spew, the more you completely validate what I originally posted.
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» RE: The more crap you spew, the more you completely validate what I originally posted.
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» RE: COMMENT RATING is obviously going to be one of the new strategies
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» Hey - where's MY paycheck!
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» RE: You get paid in, uh, "other" ways
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» RE: Hey - where's MY paycheck!
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» RE: Can't you guys just backslap each other off the net?
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» RE: xbj wins debate with rock-solid reasoning and empirical proof of mini-nukes!
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» DO THE WORK AND FIND IT FOR YOURSELF LIKE THE REST OF US
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» TRUTH
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» Criminally Sane keeps talking to his mirror
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» CLEARLY this is the truth because the shills are so desperately and rabidly attacking it
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» RE: Wrong again xbj! I have three alter-ego's and I'm the only shill posting against you!
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» GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN
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» Keep validating the original post... and thanks
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Posted by: ~Fiona~ on May 23, 2007 7:14 AM
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Please stop posting so many pix of this monster... I HATE Him!
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» Yup Aussidawg...
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on May 23, 2007 7:41 AM
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By forcing our will on people all over the world, we can be assured that eventually people will try to get revenge - or simply defend themselves. If this country doesn't stop killing people, backing coups, and spending billions to prop up dictators, we'll never have peace and security.
Our own nuclear stockpile - and use of them in the past - is a major part of the problem. No nation has ever had such a greater national OF-fense in history. It's time we focused, instead, on a national DE-fense...
Some further thoughts...
"Leaders Don't Kill People..." - click here
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 23, 2007 7:56 AM
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Those corporate groups include Bechtel, BWXT, the Washington Group, Battelle Memorial Institute - for example, see Glorious contracts awarded to corporate cronies of the Bush Administration
The LLNS team was formed to manage and operate Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory by entities renowned for their expertise and accomplishments throughout the DOE nuclear weapons complex and beyond. Bechtel is the largest project management contractor in the United States. The University of California is the world's largest academic research institution. BWX Technologies and Washington Group International are the top two DOE nuclear facilities contractors and between them manage and operate four of DOE's five safest sites. Battelle is a global leader in science and technology and commercializes technology, performs contract research and manages laboratories for government and industry. The team also includes Texas A&M University, which provides an important academic alliance.
So, it's not just a plan that's being carried out by the US government under the direction of George W. Bush - private contractors with close ties to the Bushes are raking in billions as well, and the nation's most prestigious public universities are actively providing the cover for this plan.
The corporate Democrats are also in on the general plan; Dianne Feinstein is married to Richard Blum, President of the UC Regents and an architect of the UC-Bechtel-BWXT-Battelle "management team" for Livermore labs.
This secretive alignment of private business interests, politicians, and government and academic bureaucrats is a hallmark of totalitarian governments from Nazi Germany to Soviet Russia. It looks like protofascism, but it's probably just another bloated armament contract for the military industrial complex.
But could it lead to nuclear warfare? Yes. It's not just nuclear warfare either. To many people, Project Bioshield looks like a cover for offensive biowarfare research, primarily under the guidance of Battelle Memorial Institute. This is why Battelle is involved at Lawrence Livermore; they're planning on using the shield of nuclear secrecy to prevent oversight of their biowarfare research.
Nukes, smallpox, and GW Bush - the global terror team.
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Posted by: solrev on May 23, 2007 8:04 AM
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Posted by: Bulldog on May 23, 2007 8:26 AM
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1) Much of the current & future Yellowcake supply trail leads back to the Russian Federation:-
Analysis of the Nuclear Fuel Availability at EU Level from a Security of Supply Perspective:
Right-click: Save as: - .pdf file 206Kb.
Euratom Supply Agency – Advisory Committee
Task Force on Security of Supply
Final Report of the Task Force
June 2005.
2) Used nuclear fuel from Civil Magnox reactors gets recycled by the ‘Tripartite’ UK, Germany & France in Plutonium production Reactors like Cap-de-la Hague 'SuperPheonix' on the North French coast just across the English channel. Sales of Reactor grade Uranium 238 from this source were to be sold to IRAN as part of the 'No-Nukes for You' assurance deal, at elevated prices. That's allegedly partly why the Iranians turned down that offer as 'too pricey', of their own admittance.
The Civil reactor program is an integrated part of the Nuclear weapons cycle. Without the sales of 'Weapons grade Plutonium' through the above schema the civil program could end up with insufficient funds to finance the decommissioning of civil reactors or their safe maintenance. An episode of this sort can be found with the example of the Chernobyl incident where the SALT treaty had forced the closure of Russia’s then nuclear weapons production needs and capacity. This was my reasoning in a long letter I sent to Radio Moscow science correspondents just 6 weeks before the Chernobyl meltdown.
I alleged they they could not afford to pay for stringent safety protocol enforcement. Moscow replied on the radio but clearly not with any intent or ability for timely intervention.
The UK Government also reiterated this week that it would not be financing the redevelopment of the civil nuclear program within this country but would be looking to tend it out to private investment solely, as has been the case in the USA for decades. Thus dubious profiteering could take precedence over safety if the nuclear weapons cycle is not sustained. Hence the continued need for nuclear weapons we see repeated today by Bush & Co.
The Military Industrial Complex is busy 'staging the future'. Nuclear war is unlikely even though from a business perspective 'Peace is Abhorrent' to this industry.
In a world ruled by the 'War on Terror' and the unfolding schism of US/UK versus Russian Federation states, the new enemy could conveniently become the old enemy 'Russia'. Convenient in these ways:
a) From the COLD-WAR stemmed the death of 20 Million mostly civilians in 'proxy-wars' fought on behalf of the superpowers. Any war fought without a substantiatable loss of civilian life is not considered a real war when the militarists are attempting to redraw the global map.
b) From the end of the COLD-WAR stemmed the Afghan / Al-Qaeda fabrication, and hence the self-sustaining 'war-on-terror'
c) Once any conflict with the Russia Federation or it's so-called rogue states is accomplished, then the cycle of a self-perpetuating warfighter business is closed!
America's would be beneficial 'Minding the Gap' Pentagon strategy for globalizing responses to potential conflict could be de-railed if the business precepts for the securing of energy supply & substantial warfighting profits take precedence over the securing of a fair global economic relationship.
Juntawatch
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Posted by: thehousedog on May 23, 2007 8:53 AM
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Posted by: fanny666 on May 23, 2007 9:13 AM
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Bush has not followed Article 6 of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. According to Article 6, section 2 of the US Constitution such treaties are the "supreme law of the Land." Therefore, Bush's nuclear programs are illegal, unconstitutional, and impeachable.
Write to your House Rep, be polite, be specific.
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Posted by: willymack on May 23, 2007 9:34 AM
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Posted by: Ghoulman on May 23, 2007 9:54 AM
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Once the Cold War ended the USA was desperate for an enemy, a reason for spending half of every tax dollar on the largest military on Earth or ever. Think about it. The Military Congressional Industrial Complex needed a reason to exist. Policing the world didn't work (Clinton and Bush Sr. struggled to find a new role for the US military), so terrorism had to be spun as a world wide attack on the USA, even though terrorism is and simply can't possibly be any real threat to society by any stretch of the imagination. But never under-estimate the ability of the US to make propoganda and create a world wide terror network out of thin air and the compliance of the media, other world leaders, etc. There had to be a new enemy, kinda like the old enemy, a War on Terror and Tehran had to be the center of the terrorist threat, which neatly included the lies about there being a nuclear threat.
The world is placing itself, like pieces on a chess board, to occupy the newly defined Cold War curtain. Iran will be the new evil empire, Africa will be where the war is fought as China and the West gobble up the remaining assets, murdering millions all the while.
Really, it's not hard to see what motivates the economic imperatives of the USA. An economy based on greed alone, where the most ruthless big business is the hero and supported by a government committed to maintaining a constant fear of destruction.
Think about it. Realistically, right now, except for Russian nukes I suppose, there is no threat to American society... at all.
This is what today looks like, twenty years from now it will look the same and Americans will still believe they are under constant attack and feel justified in slaughtering millions.
"Now thou art come unto a feast of death." - William Shakespeare, Henry VI
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Posted by: persian on May 23, 2007 10:40 AM
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» Iran myths
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Posted by: civilized european on May 23, 2007 11:52 AM
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Posted by: babs on May 23, 2007 12:03 PM
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And you can all dispassionately discuss who did what, and when, who said what and do we believe them, but against this real threat from a demonstrably psychopathic regime, the whole world has become the wild west - lawless and barbaric - and the smirking sherrif wants to settle some scores in the biggest way possible. We tiny people, who work to pay for these horrors, are fish in a barrel waiting to be picked off.
I wonder where Bush & Cheney think they're going to live when nuclear, er nucular, winter sets in? Personally, I vote for 6 feet under - and in a pine box, not a bunker.
The world is begging America (not Bushco but the real "freedom and justice" America) to look hard at what your government is doing in your name, without your knowledge. Please, can you use the freedoms that you still have to bring these thugs to justice before it is way too late?
If the world had another super power whose mission it was to take out dangerous regimes, the Bush government would be number one with a bullet, and we would all breathe a bit easier.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on May 23, 2007 12:16 PM
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National security priorities have definitely changed and weapons requirements have changed along with them. The need to a stockpile of 6,000 warheads seems to be a strategy of the past.. Huge broadsides of nuclear exchanges, while a great deterrent, was only that.
I can’t imagine any situation today requiring 6,000 war head response if any nuclear response is warranted at all. A mere hundred would seem to suffice for any nation.
The nuclear proliferation to countries such as N Korea, Iran, China's increasing stockpiles combined with the delivery technology unfortunately demands that the US maintain some inventory level and a modern deterrent strategy. To do this weapons systems and the weapons themselves need to be modernized and updated.
So while the “Reliable Weapons Warhead” program is supposed to provide the US with much more modern, stable & safe platform to manufacture weapons with an eye on long term safety concerning regarding weapons stockpiles. -
I'd rather see funds directed toward terrorists activities and way of preventing them from acquiring WMD - downsizing our stockpiles and enhancing the technology for launch detection and delivery
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» Biological Weapons - Take Two (take one didn't take!)
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Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2007 1:28 PM
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Yeah, right. The Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds would love that -- having Al Qaeda fighters living in their midst, the same secular fanatics that randomly killed their men, women and children by the thousands. Not even loyal Republicans with room-temperature IQ would accept that far-fetched scenario as possible.
It’s time to impeach both Bush and Cheney and take our chances with President Pelosi. She couldn’t do any worse.
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» Stupid is believing the Iraqis won't clean Al Qaeda's clock after we leave.
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» RE: NEWS FLASH: Today at the Naval Academy, Dub-ya said Al Qaeda will use Iraq for an ops center.
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» I stand by my post, Aussiedawg. I'm a Ron Paul fan but Nancy couldn't be worse than Shrub.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2007 1:51 PM
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If that was AlterNet's intent, it screwed up big time. As during 9/11, in WWIII our cowardly commander-in-chief would be hiding in the deepest Defense Department bunker possible.
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» "Yee-HAW" was the only last line I recall, Bob. Then nukes starting going off and music...
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» Different War Different Times...and I guarantee whoever got it first was going to use it!!!
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Posted by: monkeywrench on May 23, 2007 9:27 PM
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Seig heil to zee spirit of Goebbels unt Goring! Unt say bye-bye to zee Reichstag...er Congress, dat today "burned demselves down" in support uf our Supreme Kommandant.
Raise your glass to zee new "Master Race:" zee Neocon Volkszenmurderen.
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Posted by: David Baker on May 24, 2007 12:09 AM
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Personally, I think it would be great for everybody if the only threat the terrorists posed to America was a moral one.
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on May 24, 2007 2:15 AM
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You guys can vent your spleen all you want here, because sociopaths are not convinced by logic or fear of their reputations.
Is even the mild punishment of impeachment possible? Not really. Our only hope was the "new" Democrapic congress, and they rolled over and are playing dead.
So just enjoy the days you have left and hope they will last at least until the next election, when we may have a chance to get rid of the Democraps that have rolled over.
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Posted by: mommy64 on May 24, 2007 7:01 AM
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your corporations,
we disassembled,
we crated,
we shipped.
we protected them,
by truck, by train, by sea, by plane,
we scorned, we chided
those who challenged our authority,
we used your institutions
to create a global protection racket
with our experience,
we profited,
we sent you the bill
we call taxation.
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Posted by: Syz on May 28, 2007 4:05 PM
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Iraq is not about a love affair for Bush or the opinions of Media pundits, Pelosi and her gang of Chavaz marxists, nor is it about the courage or cowardice of our men in battle, but about The United States and its allies to determine which side of history we want to be on: those who connect to freedom or those who disconnect to achieve tyranny.
Obviously, Pelosi and her congress have chosen tyranny as our contribution for the Iraqi citizens and worse, she represented herself to our enemies as an American while doing so.
The cauldron you continually stir has rusted out my friends. Watch and see how Chavaz puts it ALL in his pocket and you'll see what the liberal Con at your feet is doing to The United States. Give up salivating over the joy of failure and try being an American.
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Posted by: richholland on May 29, 2007 12:32 AM
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although mein kampf was a forbidden book in the netherlands sometimes small parts of it came in the press:
i.e. the Nazis wanted acess to grain(Oekraine) and oil (Russia.
i. the German and Austrian feared the American and English capitalisme on one side and the Russian communisme on the other side of their countries.
Of course I know the only aim of the USA are to liberate people; to save envirment, to give everybody human rights.
America the land of the brave and honorfull.
Could it be possible that it might be dangerous if some families own very very much money and power????
Could it be possible their is a tiny little bit danger inside the American system??????/
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