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Is Bush Leading Us to Nuclear War?

By William D. Hartung and Frida Berrigan, In These Times. Posted May 23, 2007.


While the United States demands that other countries end their nuclear programs, the Bush administration is busy planning a new generation of nuclear weapons known as "Complex 2030."
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Only days before the fifth anniversary of September 11, President George W. Bush addressed military officers in Washington to warn that nuclear-armed terrorists could "blackmail the free world and spread their ideologies of hate and raise a moral threat to America."

This alarmist vision was accompanied by the White House's release of "A National Strategy for Combating Terrorism," which painted a picture of a "troubling potential WMD terrorism nexus emanating from Tehran." The administration is building the case for war against Iran -- a job made easier by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent announcement that Iran can now enrich uranium on an industrial scale -- despite the fact that many Iran-watchers and nuclear experts consider their claims of enrichment capacity to be an overblown boast.

This is not the first time the "no-nuclear-weapons-for-you" ploy has been used to lay the groundwork for a war. On Oct. 7, 2002, while making the case for regime change in Iraq, President Bush said: "America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

Yellow cake, aluminum tubes and histrionics about Saddam Hussein's nuclear capabilities followed ... all of which were challenged at the time, and have turned out to be completely fabricated. And, when not grinding the axe of pre-emptive war as counter-proliferation strategy, the administration periodically raises the specter of nuclear terrorism, in the form of dirty bombs and suitcase-sized warheads.

But while the United States demands that other countries end their nuclear programs, the Bush administration is busy planning a new generation of nuclear weapons. Nearly 20 years after the Berlin Wall crumbled, the United States is allocating more funding, on average, to nuclear weapons than during the Cold War.

The Bush administration is pumping this money -- more than $6 billion this year -- into renovating the nuclear weapons complex and designing new nuclear weapons. Such hypocrisy is one of the main obstacles to nuclear arms reductions because it runs the risk of shattering the 1970 Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in which the nuclear-armed states pledged to begin the process of disarmament if the non-nuclear states opted not to pursue the deadly technology.

The centerpiece of the administration's move toward developing a new generation of nuclear weapons is "Complex 2030," a multiyear plan introduced last April by the National Nuclear Security Administration (the semi-autonomous agency within the Department of Energy that oversees the nuclear weapons program).

Complex 2030 calls for the construction of new or upgraded facilities at each of the National Nuclear Security Administration's eight nuclear weapons-related sites throughout the country. The plan also calls for building a new nuclear weapon, the Reliable Replacement Warhead (RRW), inside the old warheads. The program was conceived in response to concerns that the cores of existing nuclear weapons could be wearing out and need to be replaced. But RRW development has gone much further than that.

The Department of Energy (DOE) notes in its summary of Complex 2030 that one of the major goals of the program is to "improve the capability to design, develop, certify and complete production of new or adapted warheads in the event of new military requirements." In short, while the Bush administration has publicly stressed reductions in nuclear weapons, it is working to produce new, more usable nuclear weapons.

Three small steps forward

As a candidate for president in 2000, and during his first months in office, Bush suggested that the United States should significantly cut its nuclear arsenal. In his first address before a joint session of Congress, the new president went so far as to pledge: "We can discard Cold War relics and reduce our own nuclear forces to reflect today's needs." He followed through on this promise with the 2002 Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty (SORT), which calls for reducing the U.S. and Russian nuclear arsenals from 6,000 each -- the limit established under the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty -- to between 1,700 and 2,200 warheads each over a 10-year period.

Presidents Bush and Putin signed the treaty at Konstantin Palace in St. Petersburg right after the city celebrated its 300th birthday in June 2003. Also known as the Treaty of Moscow, SORT has serious flaws. It has no method for verifying that each side is meeting its commitments; the cuts are not permanent -- neither side is obligated to destroy or dismantle the warheads, only to take them "off-line;" and both sides would have to agree to extend the treaty if they have not met their obligations by the time the treaty expires in 2012. After the Senate unanimously voted to ratify the treaty, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) called it "as flimsy a treaty as the Senate has ever considered." Yet even with these flaws, SORT establishes important benchmarks and offers the potential of trust-building between the former superpower rivals.

Another positive development occurred in mid-February, when the Bush administration, after years of work through the "six party talks," announced a deal with North Korea. The hermit nation agreed to take the first steps toward dismantling its nuclear program in exchange for large supplies of fuel oil and eventual political recognition. The first phase of the agreement calls for North Korea to take concrete steps within 60 days, including closing down its nuclear reactor at Yongbyon, getting inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency on the ground, and beginning to reveal the locations of its other nuclear facilities. In exchange, it will receive 50,000 tons of fuel oil at the end of the 60-day period. The agreement demonstrates that the Bush administration is slowly learning the nuances of diplomacy -- you have to give to get.

More good news surrounds the recent fate of the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator (RNEP). One of the most controversial new weapon designs proposed by the nuclear weapons complex, the RNEP promised to destroy hardened and deeply buried targets, such as underground bunkers containing chemical and biological weapons and military command centers. Such a difficult challenge would necessitate decades of steady and climbing investment, making it the kind of techno-fantasy that the nuclear weapons complex of the future would love to tackle.

In 2003, Congress allocated $15 million to study the RNEP. But in 2004 and 2005, Rep. David Hobson (R-Ohio), then chair of the Water and Energy Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, led successful fights to defund the RNEP. Later, he boasted: "It's dead, forget about it! Go conventional. If I have to kick it three or four times, I'm going to keep kicking at it until we think we've totally gotten it out of the way."

Giant leaps backward

The Bush administration has aggressively counteracted these small positive developments with a succession of negative and destabilizing actions and statements -- the most significant of which is the assertion that nuclear weapons are a central component of U.S. military and political strategy.

This stunner was concealed within the administration's 2002 Nuclear Posture Review (NPR), a Pentagon report that relies on input from the Joint Chiefs and the armed services to define the role of nuclear weapons in U.S. security. The final classified report concluded that nuclear weapons "play a critical role in the defense capabilities of the United States, its allies and friends."

Submitted to Congress in January 2002, the NPR was not made public until portions were leaked to the press two months later. It states, "The need is clear for a revitalized nuclear weapons complex that will ... be able, if directed, to design, develop, manufacture and certify new warheads in response to new national requirements; and maintain readiness to resume underground testing if required."

The NPR introduces the concept of a "new Triad," composed of nuclear and non-nuclear strike capabilities, defensive systems, and "responsive infrastructure" for maintaining and/or producing nuclear weapons as requested. The report also emphasizes the development of creative new nuclear weapons -- like low-yield or surgical warheads that are able to "reduce collateral damage," and nuclear bombs with "earth penetrating" capabilities.

The NPR concluded that nuclear weapons "provide credible military options to deter a wide range of threats, including WMD and large-scale conventional military force." The Bush NPR explicitly named potential targets -- Iran, Syria, North Korea, China and Russia. The review explained that the United States might use nuclear weapons to retaliate for the use of chemical or biological weapons against U.S. targets, as the ultimate tool in a military conflict over Taiwan, or, disturbingly, as a response to undefined "surprising developments." Proliferation trumps prevention

During the Cold War, spending on nuclear weapons averaged $4.2 billion a year. When the Cold War ended, DOE officials and members of Congress imagined the conversion of the nuclear weapons complex. But innovative proposals for civilian or green technology labs never got off the ground, and the nuclear labs successfully lobbied Congress for a new infusion of weapons money. By the end of President Clinton's tenure, nuclear weapons activities within the DOE's annual budget had jumped to $5.2 billion -- more than the Cold War average, but less than what the new Bush administration would say it needed.

Since then, spending on nuclear weapons has increased by almost 14 percent to a 2007 total of $6.4 billion (after adjustment for inflation), but it is not enough to satisfy a nuclear-obsessed administration. The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA), formed in 2000 to manage the nation's nuclear weapons complex within the DOE, has a five-year "National Security Plan" that calls for annual increases that will push the nuclear weapons budget to $7.4 billion by 2012.

Compare these significant increases in nuclear spending to what the DOE is allocating for non-proliferation and prevention of nuclear conflict. The NNSA spends more than nine times more on "Atomic Energy Defense Activities" -- a category that includes nuclear weapons, naval nuclear reactors and environmental cleanup at military nuclear facilities -- than it does on nuclear arms reductions and non-proliferation.

In addition, spending on nuclear weapons research, development and maintenance in the DOE budget far outpaces the funding devoted to the development of alternative energy sources, a critical need in the age of global warming and dwindling oil supplies. The DOE's proposed budget for "Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy" -- which includes non-nuclear, non-fossil fuel forms of energy -- is $1.2 billion for FY 2008, one-thirteenth of expenditures on "Atomic Energy Defense Activities."

Upgrading nuclear capabilities

Under Complex 2030, the NNSA is taking steps to boost the U.S. ability to test and produce new warheads, and to consolidate production of uranium, plutonium and non-nuclear components within nuclear weapons.

The central component of Complex 2030 is the Reliable Replacement Warhead (RRW) program. The official rationale for the RRW program is to produce weapons that are safer and more durable than the warheads in the current stockpile. Supporters of RRW fear that the components of nuclear weapons could wear out and that the only way to know if the warheads are viable is to replace their inner workings. And -- the line of thinking continues -- as long as scientists are replacing the plutonium or uranium cores, they might as well "tweak" the weapon's design.

But the assertion that the old nuclear weapons need to be replaced by reliable new warheads is undermined by a recent NNSA study that indicates that the existing plutonium triggers, or "pits," may be viable for another 90 to 100 years. The report, issued in November and reviewed by an independent panel of scientists and academics, indicates the need for considerable skepticism of the Complex 2030 claims.

In addition, the RRW program will establish the infrastructure needed for future development of new warheads with new capabilities. A key element of this upgraded and consolidated nuclear infrastructure is a new facility to produce "pits," the plutonium triggers that set off the explosion of a hydrogen bomb. The DOE has proposed constructing a Modern Pit Facility, but Congress has deemed the $2 to $4 billion price tag too steep, and has rejected funding proposals for two years running.

As an alternative, the department is pushing the idea of a Consolidated Plutonium Center (CPC) that would bring all of the plutonium-related activities together at one site. The new facility would be a sort of "modern pit facility-plus," capable each year of producing 125 plutonium pits to trigger nuclear weapons, and at the same time develop new military applications for plutonium.

This more expansive concept is likely to cost more than the facility alone, but NNSA has yet to provide a cost estimate to Congress. A small down payment for the CPC -- $24.9 million -- is proposed in the FY 2008 budget; budget projections for continuing work on the CPC total $282 million through 2012.

Under Complex 2030, the new CPC will be one of a series "transformed" and "consolidated" nuclear sites. Currently, there are eight facilities -- Los Alamos National Laboratory (N.M.), Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (Calif.) and Sandia National Laboratories (N.M.), the Nevada Test Site (R&D activities, including sub-critical experiments), the Oak Ridge Y-12 Plant in Tennessee (uranium and other components), the Pantex Plant in Texas (warhead assembly, disassembly, disposal), the Kansas City Plant (non-nuclear components), and the Savannah River Site (tritium extraction and handling) in Georgia.

While Complex 2030 would mandate that some of the sites have a smaller "footprint" (less floor space), it would also require the investment of tens of billions of dollars for new or upgraded factories, including two new factories -- a Highly Enriched Uranium Materials Facility (HEUMF) and a Uranium Processing Facility (UPF) -- at the Y-12 site; a new Chemistry and Metallurgy Research Replacement facility at Los Alamos National Laboratory to "support plutonium operations"; a new factory for the production of non-nuclear components of nuclear weapons at the current site of the Kansas City plant; and significant upgrades at the Pantex warhead assembly/disassembly facility. The spending on the CPC is only a small portion of the as yet unknown costs of the Complex 2030 initiative. Broken pledges, skeptical Congress

All of this raises concerns for Robert Civiak. A program examiner for Department of Energy national security programs in 1988 and 1989, Civiak now does research for Tri-Valley Cares, a group that advocates the elimination of nuclear weapons. He calls the Reliable Replacement Warhead a "multibillion dollar effort to redesign and replace every nuclear weapon in the U.S. arsenal." Jay Coghlan, executive director at Nuclear Watch of New Mexico, agrees, calling RRW a "nukes forever program, and a Trojan horse for future new designs."

NNSA's planning documents call for the production of the first RRW by 2012, and according to analysis by James Sterngold in the San Francisco Chronicle, the work is already beginning. He writes, "Lab officials said researchers not only have produced extensive designs ... but they have already conducted non-nuclear tests of the critical detonation devices and other components. They have begun to plan in detail how the weapons would be manufactured."

Rep. Pete Visclosky (D-Ind.), the new chairman of the House Energy and Water Appropriations Subcommittee, has criticized the RRW project for its "make-it-up-as-you-go-along" approach. "There appears to have been little thought given to the question of why the United States needs to build new nuclear warheads at this time," he says. "My preference is that the DOE would have spent their resources reconfiguring the old Cold War complex and dismantling obsolete warheads." He has not ruled out slowing or eliminating the RRW if the administration is unable to present a strategy "that defines the future mission, the emerging threats and the specific U.S. nuclear stockpile necessary to achieve strategic goals."

The 110th Congress and beyond

In an August 2005 speech to a symposium on post-cold war nuclear strategy, Rep. Hobson described the administration's call for research on new bombs and the Nuclear Earth Penetrator as "very provocative and overly aggressive policies that undermine our moral authority to argue that other nations should forgo nuclear weapons."

Hobson's concerns are shared by a number of his colleagues on the other side of the aisle, including Reps. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), John Spratt (D-S.C.) and Lynne Woolsey (D-Calif.), all of whom joined him in successfully leading an effort to defund the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator. Skepticism about the need for massive investment in nuclear weapons at a time of huge war bills and growing deficits, a growing sophistication about nuclear issues, and a Democratic majority means that for the first time in years the nuclear weapons complex is feeling the heat.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) represents the state that houses the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, which recently won the Reliable Replacement Warhead competition. In a press release issued after the decision, she said, "While I appreciate the fact that Lawrence Livermore was selected, this in no way answers my questions about the Reliable Replacement Warhead program" -- a program that she remains "100 percent opposed to."

Despite support from the White House, the DOE, key contractors, and a number of powerful members of Congress such as Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.), Rep. Zach Wamp (R-Tenn.) and Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) -- all of whom have nuclear weapons facilities in their states or districts -- the Complex 2030 plan to modernize the U.S. nuclear weapons infrastructure may be scaled back or rejected by congressional opponents, who will receive backing from arms control and environmental organizations.

But it will take more than cutting a million here or a billion there, more than gunning against a specific corner of the Complex 2030 plan, more than defunding the most aggressive or alarming aspects of the nuclear weapons complex, to deal with nuclear weapons in the 21st century. Members of Congress are going to need to challenge the bedrock of administration foreign policy -- that nuclear weapons should occupy center stage as a guarantor of U.S. security.

But they will not do that without being pushed -- and pushed hard -- by civil society. The urgency of the task creates opportunities for a big tent of strange bedfellows to work together: Weary cold warriors like George Shultz, William Perry, Henry Kissinger and Sam Nunn, who in January co-authored a Wall Street Journal op-ed titled "A World Free of Nuclear Weapons"; well-established Washington organizations like the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the Arms Control Association; disarmament activists like Helen Caldicott and the Abolition 2000 network; and members of the international community from the United Nations on down are all saying the same thing: The United States cannot insist that other nations disarm or opt not to pursue nuclear technology, while aggressively ramping up U.S. nuclear capabilities. This hypocrisy cannot stand.

Global security through nuclear disarmament or a world awash in nuclear weapons. The choice is obvious. And it is ours to make.

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The Doomsday Device
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 23, 2007 12:18 AM   
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Well meet again
Don't know where
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But I know we'll meet again
Some sunny day.....

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» Mr. Degan, Heard You Posted by: jackyD
When the bomb that drops on you, gets your friends and neighbors too,
Posted by: jparsons on May 23, 2007 12:24 AM   
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We all will go together when we go...

Tom Lehrer

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» And speaking of Tom Lehrer.... Posted by: Tom Degan
» And of course.... Posted by: jparsons
This is FUN!
Posted by: Temporary on May 23, 2007 1:57 AM   
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I wonder how Asian powers such as India, China and Iran will respond to THIS!?

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Why do we even send in ground troops when we can nuke?
Posted by: White middleclass male on May 23, 2007 2:30 AM   
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I never understood why we go in to kill Afghanis, Iraqis or how ever else when we can decimate them from the air. I guess soldiers cost less than nukes.

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» rushsays git them ragheads Posted by: Iconoclast421
The short answer is YES!
Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2007 3:29 AM   
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Besides being the worst U.S. president in history, George Walker Bush is the most dangerous -- for three main reasons.

First, he has no concept of military leadership, the result of being commissioned in the National Guard without any officer training whatsoever.

Second, by his own admission, he makes decisions based on gut instinct, without using the best minds and information available.

Third, Shrub is a born-again Christian who believes he’s on a mission from God to spread freedom and democracy throughout the Middle East.

The combination of those character traits will, I believe, based on my four years of Bush research, cause him to order a preemptive nuclear strike against Iran in 2008. Only the Pentagon can stop him – specifically, Marine General Peter Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

The big question then becomes, will Gen. Pace act like an American patriot instead of a White House lapdog and declare the Oval Office order unconstitutional – i.e. a declaration of war without the approval of Congress?

We had all better pray he does.

For more information about why President Bush is such a dangerous leader, visit my nonprofit investigative website, King-George.biz, the only one with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» .Based on instinct ... Posted by: Sushi
» RE: The short answer is nobody knows. Posted by: Illiteratilumen
100 democrats voted with Bush for nuclear war against Iran
Posted by: Universal on May 23, 2007 3:39 AM   
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You can see the rot of class nationalism, and corporate fascism, enabled by the corrupt Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Edwars and others who are willing to be servile tools for AIPAC and the Israeli lobby, both fascist warmongerers of Amerika and Israel, includes two class parties, whose class elites, and class ideology serve Corporate Empire of America.

So you think the overused word class here has nothing to do with class interests, class elites, and class hierarchies, then the recent revelations that the U.S. and U.S. corporations, like Chiquita and others finance death squads to murder labor organizers, innocent civilians, just as German corporate fascism financed Herr Hitler, with its corrupted middle layers, the class mercenaries, shock troops who defend this madness, imperial, nuclear annihilation. Yet both the Amerikans and Israelis have learned nothing from the Holocaust, the class ideology of fascism, which murdered millions of Jews, when in fact their class ideology states both explicity, and implicitly "Ever again", not "Never again" to another Holocaust, and period of Western Corporate fascism.

The only way we will clean house, clean up this rot, is to understand that an "independent" ideology is one that breaks from Corporate, class interests, and class ideology, that makes us all fools for supporting the class nationalist, imperialist fake opposition of Democrats, whos ideology, is class liberalism, not the revolutionary liberalism of the Enlightenment, and Karl Marx. We need not only a new party to represent the interests of middle-working class interests, who are not tied to the fascist oligarchy above.

These fascist clowns, soldiers have no brains or compassion. They are the stuff of mindless mercenaries, goosestepping into the rot of their Fuehrer, Bush, republicans and democrats. The whole world is becoming Al Quaida because we have defined innocent people worthy of extinction, by the racist remarks of this soldier. Either we throw out these fascists, or the world will do to us what it did to Nazi Germany, total defeat and destruction.

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» I agree Posted by: Lincoln fan
And of course...
Posted by: adp3d on May 23, 2007 3:45 AM   
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...these new facilities wil be built by Bechtel, staffed by Lockheed-Martin and GE, and once again, our tax dollars being ripped off.

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» RE: And of course... Posted by: AlienSlave
» Stocks Posted by: openhouse
Perhaps it's "concealed carry" on a grand scale
Posted by: jlohman on May 23, 2007 3:57 AM   
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I'm not a Bush supporter. Dislike him immensely. But I am a supporter of concealed carry and believe the ability for anyone to carry a concealed weapon would have stopped many of history's massacres. Perhaps if every country had a nuclear capability no one country would step out of line. As it is only a few country's will have nukes, plus a few unwieldy terrorists. I'm not comfortable with that.

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» RE: Yeah... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
Bush is not America
Posted by: ggmurray on May 23, 2007 4:30 AM   
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Bush thinks America is part of himself, and as his personal life, administration, and policies implode, I suspect he thinks, why not let the whole thing blow up?

Insanity at the top does not equal insanity of the people. Just say NO. And SPEAK, VOTE, and LIVE instead the kind of America we want for ourselves and the world.

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» Really???? Posted by: Nick
Thoroughly consistent with the true agenda
Posted by: mgloraine on May 23, 2007 4:53 AM   
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The present Bush 'administration' is living proof that nuclear-armed terrorists could "blackmail the free world and spread their ideologies of hate and raise a moral threat to America."
Making more or better or just newer nukes won't alter the prospect of nuclear terrorism one iota, since the issue with a retaliatory strike against a terrorist group is where to target. What are we going to do, bomb the presumed country (or countries) of origin of the alleged culprits? What if they're Canadian? or American?
This doesn't have anything to do with terrorism or any other perceived threat currently on the scene, this is just business as usual for the military-industrial complex. Rule Number One: It's all about the money. Rule Number Two: It's ONLY about the money.
Weapons mongers of any sort have to make sales to stay in business, so they will readily support the campaign efforts of anyone promising to keep their revenues up. Having helped pay for the Bush White House, they naturally expect the pay-back. Conventional arms dealers are doing just fine with the whole Afghanistan/Iraq debacle being dragged out for maximum profits, but we're not dropping any nukes (yet). So a big, fat, open-ended Research and Development program disguised as Maintenance looks like a handy means for channelling cash to one's political supporters, doesn't it? All the justifications are merely rhetorical window-dressing.
The hypocrisy of demanding that the rest of the world "do as we say, not as we do", appears glaring. But glaring hypocrisy has not deterred the Bush League on any occasion prior to this, so it's probably unrealistic to expect any pangs of conscience to interfere while the money still flows.

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guns or butter
Posted by: solrev on May 23, 2007 5:22 AM   
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I do not know what planet you people live on, but you should look at a map sometime. Downwind of Iran are Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, and China. Bush is not going to nuke Iran. All this saber rattling is a slight of hand trick to misdirect your attention. Nukes are just a money-laundering scheme to steal your money. Why do you think you pay taxes? No matter how you slice it government spending is just welfare. The only question is who gets the welfare. A nuke job program is just as good as any other job program to launder money. Life is good so you only pretend to rock the boat. The fear of becoming one of the quick and the dead keeps everybody in line. Why do you think taxation without representation has become a way of life? The government of the US is only going to kill people it can get away with killing. The days of Caesar or Hitler conquering the world are over. Military weapons are good business but economic weapons are more powerful if one wants control.

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Posted by: otto on May 23, 2007 6:06 AM   
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Right on! Bush, Cheney and their policies have pushed us back to a place worse than the Cold War years; too many Americans have been brainwahed for too long a time to see the implications of all this, and the forces of the so-called Evil Empire are more cynical now (with good reason) and have intensified their hatred of us. These Bush years have brought us to the brink of another "stone age" - except that there won't even be any cute dinosaurs around, much less himan beings.

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» RE: o Posted by: Sushi
Deterrence
Posted by: gdonald on May 23, 2007 6:19 AM   
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In the real world there are evil people who thrive on bringing death and destruction. That is why I believe in Carry Concealed Law of deterrence and oppose any restrictions on said. As a former law enforcement officer I can feel safe knowing I'm not waiting on the law to stop the person trying to kill me or my family. I don't go looking for a fight and live with in the Constitution and by my morals.

In the world of Nukes, I feel the same. Nuclear deterrence is the only way to make the bad guy think twice before he launches on you.

Having said that I will say this.
As with carrying a gun and with possessing nuclear capabilities comes a very serious responsibility to be sure that you have a well defined structure that determines when you can use such lethal force. We have these structures already built in but it also requires constant training and vigilance by the entities possessing such forces to make sure that these lethal forces are in proper working order and cannot be used wrongly. This is where we the people come in. The United States has developed perameters for the use of Nukes. The authorizations for the use must run through a series of confirmations in order to launch. It is therefor prudent that we the people make sure we are electing to office those who are not war mongers. The current system of Democrat's and Republican's does not offer me the peace of mind that they are acting in the best interests of we the people. President Bush is definitely one of those examples of a man that should not possess the football. In looking at the field of candidates for the 2008 Presidential elections I am also not given much peace of mind. I will go to the polls and vote for independent candidates only because I see that we have reached a point in our nation that unless we the people make the change, the changes that our current politicians are offering gives me little hope that we have much of a bright future. This should concern us all for our children and their children's futures. We're at the edge of a cliff and unless we change course we are going to go off that cliff into the abyss.

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And here I thought it was Israel that was leading us to nuclear war
Posted by: rwa on May 23, 2007 6:26 AM   
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an interesting list from a few years ago…

By Charley Reese

The Orlando Sentinel

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?

Answer: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?

A: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?

A: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?

A: Israel.

Q: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?

A: Israel.

Q: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?

A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?

A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses? A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?

A: Israel.

Q: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?

A: Israel.

Q: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?

A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors?

A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?

A: Israel.

Q: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?

A: Israel.

Q: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?

A: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?

A: Israel.

Q: What country is the United States threatening to bomb because “U.N. Security Council resolutions must be obeyed?”

A: Israel's enemy du juer.

and a few add-ons…

Q: Which country in the Middle East has Attacked the US twice in known false flag operations (not including 911) the Lavon Affair and the USS Liberty attack?

A: Israel.

Q: Which country Spied on the US multiple times with the Pollad scandal, the ADL (1993 during the first WTC bombing) the Art Students, and AIPAC?

A: Israel .

Q: Which is the only foreign country whose lobby - the most powerful foreign lobby in Washington - doesn’t have to register as an agent of a foreign government or abide by the restrictions on foreign lobbies?”

A: Israel.

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I HOPE WE ALL SURVIVE TO LEARN A LESSON
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 23, 2007 6:32 AM   
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We can no longer have just 'one' person with the power to blow us all to kingdom come. The imbalance of power over the last 5 yrs. shows a need for us to be able to keep a balance no matter who gets elected. A handful of nuts can't be allowed to terrify the entire world. And that's what's happening. The U.S. has never had leadership so detached from its people and purpose. I say they have to go. Thanks, ANNA

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Leading us? He and his masters ALREADY used micro-nukes on the WTC
Posted by: xbj on May 23, 2007 6:40 AM   
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You don't get molten steel in the basements of the WTC FOR SIX MONTHS and radiation levels so high that all dogs used to search for bodies ARE LONG DEAD and rescue workers are DYING AS YOU READ and they wouldn't allow geiger counters anywhere within a mile of ground zero for a year WITHOUT the use of micro-nukes in the demolition of those buildings on 9-11.

You don't get steel beams the size of houses blown out across the streets and buried feet deep into buildings without micro-nukes being used, instead of when buildings merely "fall" due to structural "stress".

We've ALREADY had the first nuclear attack on US soil, and THEY PULLED IT.

In more ways than one.

Men that would use nuclear weapons on their own people to increase their wealth would think nothing of taking out entire countries to achieve the same objectives in a desperate attempt to maintain power at all costs when EVERYTHING was crumbling around them.

And one of the biggest bastards juiced in on that day, Gulliani, wants to be NaziGOP PRESIDENT?

This ain't hell YET, as much as you've tried to make it so, you treasonous bastards.

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Why does Alternet INSIST on PLASTERING THIS BAST**D's face Everywhere?!
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on May 23, 2007 7:14 AM   
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I can't speak for other people, but I'm so damned sick of seeing him, hearing of him and being constantly reminded how "screwed" we are by him that I wish every freaking thing about him would just disappear.

Please stop posting so many pix of this monster... I HATE Him!

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The only guarantee....
Posted by: Michael Boldin on May 23, 2007 7:41 AM   
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we have by trying to dominate the world is more violence, death and destruction.

By forcing our will on people all over the world, we can be assured that eventually people will try to get revenge - or simply defend themselves. If this country doesn't stop killing people, backing coups, and spending billions to prop up dictators, we'll never have peace and security.

Our own nuclear stockpile - and use of them in the past - is a major part of the problem. No nation has ever had such a greater national OF-fense in history. It's time we focused, instead, on a national DE-fense...

Some further thoughts...

"Leaders Don't Kill People..." - click here

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Government ownership, private corporate operation...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 23, 2007 7:56 AM   
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Just as with Blackwater, the private mercenary corporation, the government-business complex involved in nuclear weapons production profits from international instability. The nuclear situation involves the government nuclear sites listed above, Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, etc, - but also involves a group of privately owned corporate interests who will be collecting those billions in government contracts for a new round of nuclear weapons productions.

Those corporate groups include Bechtel, BWXT, the Washington Group, Battelle Memorial Institute - for example, see Glorious contracts awarded to corporate cronies of the Bush Administration

The LLNS team was formed to manage and operate Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory by entities renowned for their expertise and accomplishments throughout the DOE nuclear weapons complex and beyond. Bechtel is the largest project management contractor in the United States. The University of California is the world's largest academic research institution. BWX Technologies and Washington Group International are the top two DOE nuclear facilities contractors and between them manage and operate four of DOE's five safest sites. Battelle is a global leader in science and technology and commercializes technology, performs contract research and manages laboratories for government and industry. The team also includes Texas A&M University, which provides an important academic alliance.

So, it's not just a plan that's being carried out by the US government under the direction of George W. Bush - private contractors with close ties to the Bushes are raking in billions as well, and the nation's most prestigious public universities are actively providing the cover for this plan.

The corporate Democrats are also in on the general plan; Dianne Feinstein is married to Richard Blum, President of the UC Regents and an architect of the UC-Bechtel-BWXT-Battelle "management team" for Livermore labs.

This secretive alignment of private business interests, politicians, and government and academic bureaucrats is a hallmark of totalitarian governments from Nazi Germany to Soviet Russia. It looks like protofascism, but it's probably just another bloated armament contract for the military industrial complex.

But could it lead to nuclear warfare? Yes. It's not just nuclear warfare either. To many people, Project Bioshield looks like a cover for offensive biowarfare research, primarily under the guidance of Battelle Memorial Institute. This is why Battelle is involved at Lawrence Livermore; they're planning on using the shield of nuclear secrecy to prevent oversight of their biowarfare research.

Nukes, smallpox, and GW Bush - the global terror team.

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hell no we won't go
Posted by: solrev on May 23, 2007 8:04 AM   
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We are not on the brink of any nuclear disaster. Even if we nuke Iran the rest of the world not retaliate with nukes. China, Russia, Europe, and the Middle East would simply boycott the US. We would turn to anarchy and kill each other without the foreign imports we have become dependent on. Nuking China, Russia, Europe, India, and Pakistan would not save us from our own destruction even if they did not retaliate, which they would. I do not know what scares me most terrorists or these dam nukes. What really scares me is the first trumpet of Revelations “and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up” (global warming). The second trumpet “a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood” (a super volcano). The third trumpet “a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters” (a meteor or comet). The fourth trumpet “and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise” (supernova).

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Meet the new enemy. The same as the old enemy?
Posted by: Bulldog on May 23, 2007 8:26 AM   
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Today, ex-UK Prime Minister Bliar announced that a new generation of Nuclear Power stations needs to be built in UK to cover the risk of Russian states blackmailing the west over Gas Supply lines that cross their territories.

1) Much of the current & future Yellowcake supply trail leads back to the Russian Federation:-

Analysis of the Nuclear Fuel Availability at EU Level from a Security of Supply Perspective:

Right-click: Save as: - .pdf file 206Kb.
Euratom Supply Agency – Advisory Committee
Task Force on Security of Supply
Final Report of the Task Force
June 2005.


2) Used nuclear fuel from Civil Magnox reactors gets recycled by the ‘Tripartite’ UK, Germany & France in Plutonium production Reactors like Cap-de-la Hague 'SuperPheonix' on the North French coast just across the English channel. Sales of Reactor grade Uranium 238 from this source were to be sold to IRAN as part of the 'No-Nukes for You' assurance deal, at elevated prices. That's allegedly partly why the Iranians turned down that offer as 'too pricey', of their own admittance.

The Civil reactor program is an integrated part of the Nuclear weapons cycle. Without the sales of 'Weapons grade Plutonium' through the above schema the civil program could end up with insufficient funds to finance the decommissioning of civil reactors or their safe maintenance. An episode of this sort can be found with the example of the Chernobyl incident where the SALT treaty had forced the closure of Russia’s then nuclear weapons production needs and capacity. This was my reasoning in a long letter I sent to Radio Moscow science correspondents just 6 weeks before the Chernobyl meltdown.
I alleged they they could not afford to pay for stringent safety protocol enforcement. Moscow replied on the radio but clearly not with any intent or ability for timely intervention.

The UK Government also reiterated this week that it would not be financing the redevelopment of the civil nuclear program within this country but would be looking to tend it out to private investment solely, as has been the case in the USA for decades. Thus dubious profiteering could take precedence over safety if the nuclear weapons cycle is not sustained. Hence the continued need for nuclear weapons we see repeated today by Bush & Co.

The Military Industrial Complex is busy 'staging the future'. Nuclear war is unlikely even though from a business perspective 'Peace is Abhorrent' to this industry.

In a world ruled by the 'War on Terror' and the unfolding schism of US/UK versus Russian Federation states, the new enemy could conveniently become the old enemy 'Russia'. Convenient in these ways:
a) From the COLD-WAR stemmed the death of 20 Million mostly civilians in 'proxy-wars' fought on behalf of the superpowers. Any war fought without a substantiatable loss of civilian life is not considered a real war when the militarists are attempting to redraw the global map.
b) From the end of the COLD-WAR stemmed the Afghan / Al-Qaeda fabrication, and hence the self-sustaining 'war-on-terror'
c) Once any conflict with the Russia Federation or it's so-called rogue states is accomplished, then the cycle of a self-perpetuating warfighter business is closed!

America's would be beneficial 'Minding the Gap' Pentagon strategy for globalizing responses to potential conflict could be de-railed if the business precepts for the securing of energy supply & substantial warfighting profits take precedence over the securing of a fair global economic relationship.

Juntawatch

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What does it take...
Posted by: thehousedog on May 23, 2007 8:53 AM   
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for people everywhere to rise up against this complete idiot president and his cadre of criminals running this country and put them in prison where they belong? will this nation and the world be a safer place? will we at least survive another few years? what does it take for people to get motiviated? oh, that's right - we're all busy watching American Idol or Dancing with the Stars. We suck and we deserve what we get. Sorry, to the rest of the world. As we, as a nation, accelerate through the downward spiral, remember - you're either with us or against us. I hate our President, all the people who voted for him and the corruption that keeps him in office. Display your "W" sticker on your car proudly as you become the cause of the destruction of all that used to be OK with this country. Jimmmy Carter need not apologize - this IS the WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

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New nuclear weapons are illegal and unconstitutional.
Posted by: fanny666 on May 23, 2007 9:13 AM   
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The article mentioned this in passing, but it really should be at the crux of the issue: this is unconstitutional.

Bush has not followed Article 6 of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. According to Article 6, section 2 of the US Constitution such treaties are the "supreme law of the Land." Therefore, Bush's nuclear programs are illegal, unconstitutional, and impeachable.

Write to your House Rep, be polite, be specific.

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What's apparent
Posted by: willymack on May 23, 2007 9:34 AM   
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Is there ANYONE using this format who believes that the chump-in-charge is in his right mind, or has the brain power to concieve, let alone direct the horrors foisted (or are in the works) upon us? What's apparent is that, despite screwing us over time & again, georgiepoo and pals STILL have some adoring followers. At least we can see who the lackwits are and concentrate our efforts on convincing the rest of us that it's time we put a leash on the bush crime cartel, and at the same time, take steps to ensure the 2008 election is not rigged yet again. Don't forget; they got away with it at least twice and will almost surely try it again. Also apparent is that Congress, inculding the Democrats haven't the stomach to effectively oppose the evil that is this "administration" so it's up to US, the American people to hound our elected officials into positive action, including impeachment, or if it's too late for this, at least take away the money for the phony war in Iraq and the "war on terror".

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The Cold War ... once again
Posted by: Ghoulman on May 23, 2007 9:54 AM   
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There will be no major attack on Iran, I don't care how worried Seymour Hersh gets. Sure, there is, and will be, war crimes against Iran (the US has already murdered Iranian diplomats, an out and out act of war), including invading, spying, and assassination by US forces. And this will go on and on like the Cold War I grew up with. The insanity will never end, and the USA is the cause once again just as the USA was the major aggressor in the Cold War against the Soviets. Yea, that's a fact Jack.

Once the Cold War ended the USA was desperate for an enemy, a reason for spending half of every tax dollar on the largest military on Earth or ever. Think about it. The Military Congressional Industrial Complex needed a reason to exist. Policing the world didn't work (Clinton and Bush Sr. struggled to find a new role for the US military), so terrorism had to be spun as a world wide attack on the USA, even though terrorism is and simply can't possibly be any real threat to society by any stretch of the imagination. But never under-estimate the ability of the US to make propoganda and create a world wide terror network out of thin air and the compliance of the media, other world leaders, etc. There had to be a new enemy, kinda like the old enemy, a War on Terror and Tehran had to be the center of the terrorist threat, which neatly included the lies about there being a nuclear threat.

The world is placing itself, like pieces on a chess board, to occupy the newly defined Cold War curtain. Iran will be the new evil empire, Africa will be where the war is fought as China and the West gobble up the remaining assets, murdering millions all the while.

Really, it's not hard to see what motivates the economic imperatives of the USA. An economy based on greed alone, where the most ruthless big business is the hero and supported by a government committed to maintaining a constant fear of destruction.

Think about it. Realistically, right now, except for Russian nukes I suppose, there is no threat to American society... at all.

This is what today looks like, twenty years from now it will look the same and Americans will still believe they are under constant attack and feel justified in slaughtering millions.

"Now thou art come unto a feast of death." - William Shakespeare, Henry VI

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Iran's options
Posted by: persian on May 23, 2007 10:40 AM   
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What's Iran to do? As much as I despise the mullahs in my native country, I hate war even more. The idea of Iran getting her hands on the n-bomb is gaining more support from the iranian public. Mr. Bush would never start a war knowing that Iran could actually put up a decent fight.

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Be Happy
Posted by: civilized european on May 23, 2007 11:52 AM   
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Yeeee Haa. Looks like Jesus is returnin folk must do whats needed to help ! Maybe them dumb Brits will give us a helpin hand agin, rapture for som and fiery suppositories fer others. Yeeee Haa!

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When the man with his finger on the button....
Posted by: babs on May 23, 2007 12:03 PM   
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... cannot even pronounce the name of the weapons, is as dumb as a post, and cares nothing for human life, we need to be very afraid.

And you can all dispassionately discuss who did what, and when, who said what and do we believe them, but against this real threat from a demonstrably psychopathic regime, the whole world has become the wild west - lawless and barbaric - and the smirking sherrif wants to settle some scores in the biggest way possible. We tiny people, who work to pay for these horrors, are fish in a barrel waiting to be picked off.

I wonder where Bush & Cheney think they're going to live when nuclear, er nucular, winter sets in? Personally, I vote for 6 feet under - and in a pine box, not a bunker.

The world is begging America (not Bushco but the real "freedom and justice" America) to look hard at what your government is doing in your name, without your knowledge. Please, can you use the freedoms that you still have to bring these thugs to justice before it is way too late?

If the world had another super power whose mission it was to take out dangerous regimes, the Bush government would be number one with a bullet, and we would all breathe a bit easier.

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When is enough enough!
Posted by: Conservasaurus on May 23, 2007 12:16 PM   
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Let’s start with the thought that it would be great if EVERY nation could and would dismantle their weapons programs. It was surely the hope of many as the cold war seemed to be ending.

National security priorities have definitely changed and weapons requirements have changed along with them. The need to a stockpile of 6,000 warheads seems to be a strategy of the past.. Huge broadsides of nuclear exchanges, while a great deterrent, was only that.

I can’t imagine any situation today requiring 6,000 war head response if any nuclear response is warranted at all. A mere hundred would seem to suffice for any nation.

The nuclear proliferation to countries such as N Korea, Iran, China's increasing stockpiles combined with the delivery technology unfortunately demands that the US maintain some inventory level and a modern deterrent strategy. To do this weapons systems and the weapons themselves need to be modernized and updated.

So while the “Reliable Weapons Warhead” program is supposed to provide the US with much more modern, stable & safe platform to manufacture weapons with an eye on long term safety concerning regarding weapons stockpiles. -

I'd rather see funds directed toward terrorists activities and way of preventing them from acquiring WMD - downsizing our stockpiles and enhancing the technology for launch detection and delivery

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Bush is not leading us to Nuclear War
Posted by: Reader11722 on May 23, 2007 12:35 PM   
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Bush, as well as the Democratic Congress, are controlled by zionists. The puppet-masters are pushing for more war that will lead to a nuclear holocaust on Iran. Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon and Wikipedia America Deceived (book), conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will nuke Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....

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Is it any wonder?
Posted by: Democritus on May 23, 2007 1:16 PM   
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When Michael Gerson was Bush's speech writer, he included Iran in an "axis of evil." If that is so, is it any wonder that Bush wants "regime change" in Iran, any way he can get it? If it means using tactical nuclear weapons, then that's the price he's willing to pay. So is it any wonder that Iran wants nuclear capability, too? During the cold war, the concept of mutually assured destruction prevented us and the Soviets from firing off nukes. We used nuclear weapons on Japan when we knew they couldn't retaliate in kind. If Iran gets nukes, then we can't attack them with impunity. Israel would have to pay a bitter price if we did. So Iran's getting a nuclear deterrent might be the second best option to avoiding nuclear war. What's the best option? It's sitting down and talking to the Iranians and assuring them that we aren't out for regime change. Why don't we do that, especially since the Iranians have sought a dialogue? It's because Bush still thinks that Iran is an "evil" nation, and he won't bargain with evil. This theological mindset is what leads nations to war.

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NEWS FLASH: Today at the Naval Academy, Dub-ya said Al Qaeda will use Iraq for an ops center.
Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2007 1:28 PM   
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Just when I thought George W. was total Looney Tunes, he showed himself to be incredibly stupid as well. Does he really think the American people will believe his latest fear-mongering bullshit -- that Bin Laden could establish an international terrorist operations center in Iraq?

Yeah, right. The Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds would love that -- having Al Qaeda fighters living in their midst, the same secular fanatics that randomly killed their men, women and children by the thousands. Not even loyal Republicans with room-temperature IQ would accept that far-fetched scenario as possible.

It’s time to impeach both Bush and Cheney and take our chances with President Pelosi. She couldn’t do any worse.

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» Home sweet home Posted by: openhouse
Was the color photo of Bush waving a cowboy hat cropped?
Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2007 1:51 PM   
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The picture reminds me of Slim Pickens in my all-time favorite flick, "Dr. Strangelove," riding a 24-megaton H-bomb down to its Soviet target, shouting "Yee-HAW!"

If that was AlterNet's intent, it screwed up big time. As during 9/11, in WWIII our cowardly commander-in-chief would be hiding in the deepest Defense Department bunker possible.

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» Secret Service Posted by: openhouse
» Kerry brilliance Posted by: openhouse
» Cowboy Bu$h Posted by: aussidawg
They're going to blow you away, ha ha, they're going to blow you away
Posted by: Miette on May 23, 2007 3:33 PM   
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This is a very touchy topic, on all sides of the political playing field. All I have to say is that there should not exist enough nuclear bombs to destroy the world, especially in one country. How many thousands of nuclear bombs, of various grades, are out there? Who really knows? We really need to set the example. I'm not saying to abandon the technology, but why in the hell should we EVER have even 1,000 nuclear bombs?!? We need to stop playing such a dangerous "who's got the most toys?" game.

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» Weapon sites Posted by: openhouse
» openhouse re the weapons. Posted by: civilized european
» In charge Posted by: openhouse
Crackpot Christians
Posted by: eosrk on May 23, 2007 5:23 PM   
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this is the result, when cracpots such as Bush and other evanganicals use Gods' name in vain, and get elected into office, running Capitol Hill, while sending the rest of this country into the bowels of Hell!

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» cracked pots Posted by: openhouse
We have to blow 'em up over there
Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming on May 23, 2007 6:27 PM   
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so we don't have to fight them over here. But of course there won't be anything left here or there, so it won't matter much.

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Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Posted by: Mahjee on May 23, 2007 6:51 PM   
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I see not one comment admitting that America murdered hundreds of thousands of people in two nuclear holocausts 62 years ago. You are the only nation to have ever used such inhuman weapons on fellow human beings ( civilians targets not military ) and you're trying to convince the rest of us that Iran is a threat! Give me a break... Your military may be the most powerful and the best equipped in the world but they can't hold their heads up and claim to have any honour. That has been stripped away by Mr. Bush jnr. and the oil/petroleum lobby who seem to run America.

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» RE: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Posted by: Logic's Edge
» RE: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Posted by: spanky
» Iwo Jima Posted by: openhouse
» RE: Hiroshima and Nagasaki Posted by: omnivore
Hmm!
Posted by: mommy64 on May 23, 2007 7:21 PM   
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Isn't Bush II the "swirling wind?"

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Let me at 'em
Posted by: packrat on May 23, 2007 7:35 PM   
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OK, compromise. Let's nuke the country of Al-Qaeda and leave all of the other soveriegn nations alone! Otherwise, one day they're really gonna get pissed at us.

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Day cannot resist de cowboy jack-boot, mein Fuhrer!
Posted by: monkeywrench on May 23, 2007 9:27 PM   
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Velcome to dee Fourth Reich, vhere uberfuhrer GeorgenBushen II vil stop da scourge uf nu-cu-lar boom-boom, by nuking any country dat tries to produce dem. (Only VEE haf de right to make you glow in zee dark!)

Seig heil to zee spirit of Goebbels unt Goring! Unt say bye-bye to zee Reichstag...er Congress, dat today "burned demselves down" in support uf our Supreme Kommandant.
Raise your glass to zee new "Master Race:" zee Neocon Volkszenmurderen.

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» mein Fuhrer! Posted by: openhouse
» RE: mein Fuhrer! Posted by: boing007
Moral or Mortal
Posted by: David Baker on May 24, 2007 12:09 AM   
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Did Bush say nuclear weapons raise a "moral" threat or a "mortal" threat? Somehow I think it's supposed to be mortal. (that's how it's written on the Riga Summit website transcript of the speech) Of course with Bush it's always hard to tell these things.

Personally, I think it would be great for everybody if the only threat the terrorists posed to America was a moral one.

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The only real answer...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on May 24, 2007 2:15 AM   
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...to the Chimp is impeachment, war crimes trial and if convicted, execution.

You guys can vent your spleen all you want here, because sociopaths are not convinced by logic or fear of their reputations.

Is even the mild punishment of impeachment possible? Not really. Our only hope was the "new" Democrapic congress, and they rolled over and are playing dead.

So just enjoy the days you have left and hope they will last at least until the next election, when we may have a chance to get rid of the Democraps that have rolled over.

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Challenge
Posted by: mommy64 on May 24, 2007 7:01 AM   
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We took away
your corporations,
we disassembled,
we crated,
we shipped.
we protected them,
by truck, by train, by sea, by plane,
we scorned, we chided
those who challenged our authority,
we used your institutions
to create a global protection racket
with our experience,
we profited,
we sent you the bill
we call taxation.

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» RE: Challenge Posted by: mommy64
Is Iran Leading us to Terrorism?
Posted by: Syz on May 28, 2007 4:05 PM   
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Chavaz is the dictator the liberals are looking for, not Bush. Perhaps you'd be more comfortable joining Chavaz today while he puts the final touch against freedom for his people. I applaud the courage and strength of the citizens fighting this revolution. Something I have not seen in the Media this Memorial day regarding our celebration of our Military through the years. Just pictures of Moore hugging the despot Chavaz with the approval of our socialist Congress.

Iraq is not about a love affair for Bush or the opinions of Media pundits, Pelosi and her gang of Chavaz marxists, nor is it about the courage or cowardice of our men in battle, but about The United States and its allies to determine which side of history we want to be on: those who connect to freedom or those who disconnect to achieve tyranny.

Obviously, Pelosi and her congress have chosen tyranny as our contribution for the Iraqi citizens and worse, she represented herself to our enemies as an American while doing so.

The cauldron you continually stir has rusted out my friends. Watch and see how Chavaz puts it ALL in his pocket and you'll see what the liberal Con at your feet is doing to The United States. Give up salivating over the joy of failure and try being an American.

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hitler reincarnated
Posted by: richholland on May 29, 2007 12:32 AM   
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born during the second world war, i learned at school the nazis and hitler wanted to occupy all the world because hitler was crazy and so were the germans.

although mein kampf was a forbidden book in the netherlands sometimes small parts of it came in the press:
i.e. the Nazis wanted acess to grain(Oekraine) and oil (Russia.
i. the German and Austrian feared the American and English capitalisme on one side and the Russian communisme on the other side of their countries.

Of course I know the only aim of the USA are to liberate people; to save envirment, to give everybody human rights.
America the land of the brave and honorfull.
Could it be possible that it might be dangerous if some families own very very much money and power????
Could it be possible their is a tiny little bit danger inside the American system??????/

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Dr. Strangelove
Posted by: boing007 on May 30, 2007 9:05 AM   
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President Bush is insane. Impeach. Now!

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