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Higher Education Conformity

By Barbara Ehrenreich, Barbaraehrenreich.com. Posted May 2, 2007.


Is a college degree really a sign of competence? Or is it chiefly a signal to employers that you've mastered the ability to obey and conform?
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Can you be fired for doing a great job, year after year, and in fact becoming nationally known for your insight and performance? Yes, as in the case of Marilee Jones, who was the dean of admissions at MIT until her dismissal last week, when it was discovered that she had lied about her academic credentials 28 years ago. She had claimed three degrees, although she had none. If she had done a miserable job as dean, MIT might have been more forgiving, but her very success has to be threatening to an institution of higher learning: What good are educational credentials anyway?

Jones is hardly the only academic fraud. The outplacement firm Challenger, Gray and Christmas estimates that 10-30 percent of resumes include distortions if not outright lies. In the last couple of weeks, for example, "Dr. Denis Waitley Ph.D." -- as he is redundantly listed in the bestselling self-help book The Secret, where he appears as a spiritual teacher -- has confessed to not having his claimed master's degree, and the multi-level vitamin marketing firm he worked for admits that it can't confirm the Ph.D. either.

All right, lying is a grievous sin, as everyone outside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue knows. And we wouldn't want a lot of fake MIT engineering graduates designing our bridges. But there are ways in which the higher education industry is becoming a racket: Buy our product or be condemned to life of penury, and our product can easily cost well over $100,000.

The pundits keep chanting that we need a more highly skilled workforce, by which they mean more college graduates, although the connection between college and skills is not always crystal clear. Jones, for example, was performing a complex job requiring considerable judgment, experience and sensitivity without the benefit of any college degree. And how about all those business majors -- business being the most popular undergraduate major in America? It seems to me that a two-year course in math and writing skills should be more than sufficient to prepare someone for a career in banking, marketing, or management. Most of what you need to know you're going to learn on the job anyway.

But in the last three decades the percentage of jobs requiring at least some college has doubled, which means that employers are going along with the college racket. A resume without a college degree is never going to get past the computer programs that screen applications. Why? Certainly it's not because most corporate employers possess a deep affinity for the life of the mind. In fact in his book Executive Blues G. J. Meyers warned of the "academic stench" that can sink a career: That master's degree in English? Better not mention it.

My theory is that employers prefer college grads because they see a college degree chiefly as mark of one's ability to obey and conform. Whatever else you learn in college, you learn to sit still for long periods while appearing to be awake. And whatever else you do in a white collar job, most of the time you'll be sitting and feigning attention. Sitting still for hours on end -- whether in library carrels or office cubicles -- does not come naturally to humans. It must be learned -- although no college has yet been honest enough to offer a degree in seat-warming.

Or maybe what attracts employers to college grads is the scent of desperation. Unless your parents are rich and doting, you will walk away from commencement with a debt averaging $20,000 and no health insurance. Employers can safely bet that you will not be a trouble-maker, a whistle-blower or any other form of non-"team-player." You will do anything. You will grovel.

College can be the most amazingly enlightening experience of a lifetime. I loved almost every minute of it, from St. Augustine to organic chemistry, from Chaucer to electricity and magnetism. But we need a distinguished blue ribbon commission to investigate its role as a toll booth on the road to employment, and the obvious person to head up this commission is Marilee Jones.

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Barbara Ehrenreich is the author of 13 books, most recently "Bait and Switch: The (Futile) Pursuit of the American Dream."

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My thoughts exactly!
Posted by: zyxwvut on May 2, 2007 1:06 AM   
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I began wondering a few months ago if the main function colleges perform in making a person attractive to employers is that most people who go through college adopt the dominant values of our culture, become centrists or non-threatening leftists, and basically know how to play the game of life in America: obey authority, follow the rules, be optimistic about the future even if you sense there is little reason to be cheerful, be sweet, naive, and innocent.

Colleges today do not put the emphasis on scholastic learning, but instead on professional education. This type of education is all about playing the game of life in America and as far as ability, it mainly requires commonsense and personal ambition, not four years' worth of education. A community college could prepare students who plan to enter business or marketing in the technical aspects of their desired career paths. Life experience would fill in the gaps.

And yes, employers do fear analytical abilities in their employees. Thoughtful employees might question their managers and the organization they work for. Even worse, a human resources manager might fear for his or her own job if the applicant seems to be intelligent.

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» CONFORM = SUCCESS Posted by: anonimus1
» Stereotyping Posted by: anonimus1
» RE: Stereotyping Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: And why is conformity bad? Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: And why is conformity bad? Posted by: poppop_schell
BA is just a BA in mind-numbing conformity
Posted by: Bobsays on May 2, 2007 1:09 AM   
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If I look at my life and the people I met in university, it was the ones who were 'bad' - didn't pick up their degrees because they hadn't paid library fines, or dropped out two years in, or stirred up a lot of shit on campus - who are now living both professional success and financial success. As for those who got the great grades, I never hear about them.

University, with its obsession over fees and testing, has totally undermined higher learning and destroyed creative thought. Now, with tuition fees outpacing inflation, universities and professors are co-conspirators in the most horrendous fraud of our times: that they are the only source of creativity and intellectual achievement. These people need to hang their heads in shame.

I recommend students to tell the social engineering freaks who run the universities to go get stuffed. If you have ideas, are passionate about learning, want to change the world, then the best thing you can do is to rebel against your professors and the system.

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» great advice for failure!!! Posted by: poppop_schell
Good Article
Posted by: flyingfish on May 2, 2007 2:25 AM   
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" although no college has yet been honest enough to offer a degree in seat-warming."
Ha!
Good article, and some good points.
Interesting about the MIT lady, there was also the case recently of the wikipedia editor claiming to be a professor holding several degrees who turned out to be a 23 or 24 year old kid. Didn't stop him from contributing valid/valuable information though!

I've had the thought before of, wouldn't things be more interesting if more people chose to work for themselves instead of so many vegetating under fluorescent lights, "working" for some behometh corporation?
It can be a daunting propostition not to fall in line with the status quo, for me though it was something I felt I owed myself, as well as everybody else. Especially for the fact that the status quo appears to be a crock.
This book was especially helpful for me, (this page does appear kinda cheesy, though it's got some great info in it.)

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» RE: Good Article Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Good Article Posted by: Maurelia
Business or Liberal Arts?
Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 2, 2007 2:38 AM   
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I think it depends. For my first degree, I studied mostly social sciences, and most of my instructors were anti-establishment. Thanks in part to them, I don't believe everything I read, hear, or what people tell me. So that college experience didn't do a very good job of turning me into a conformist or a robot.

With business programs, it's more about jumping through hoops and following along without asking too many questions. Nobody uses calculus or economics in the real world--except maybe engineers or economists--but many B school students have to take two or so semesters of each. You're better off focusing your energies on getting through the courses than trying to understand the material or seeing its relevance.

College can be a radicalizing experience, or an extension of the mind-numbing conformity and hoop-jumping of high school, depending on the college, the major, the department, etc. This article is a basis for a good discussion, but I think it oversimplifies things.

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» RE: Business or Liberal Arts? Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» RE: Business or Liberal Arts? Posted by: Vandover
» RE: Business or Liberal Arts? Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: Business or Liberal Arts? Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» RE: Business or Liberal Arts? Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: Business or Liberal Arts? Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» RE: Business or Liberal Arts? Posted by: Vandover
A Timely Article
Posted by: talkville on May 2, 2007 2:52 AM   
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"Certainly it's not because most corporate employers possess a deep affinity for the life of the mind. In fact in his book Executive Blues G. J. Meyers warned of the "academic stench" that can sink a career: That master's degree in English? Better not mention it."

The institutions of education have fallen in line with the prison industry and even to a large extent our "health" industries -- disciplines of conformity and control (see Mental Health, for instance and the large number of pharmaceutical products designed especially for behavioral controls). The disciplines of corporatism in all aspects of living have become ubiquitous. The only thing not taught or encouraged is thinking for oneself (and, incidentally, for or about others).

Thanks for a very timely and very important article. It's time to un-blur the lines between education and indoctrination.

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» RE: A Timely Article Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: A Timely Article Posted by: zorro
» RE: A Timely Article Posted by: poppop_schell
» RE: A Timely Article Posted by: talkville
Engineering Bridges?
Posted by: bornxeyed on May 2, 2007 3:10 AM   
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. And we wouldn't want a lot of fake MIT engineering graduates designing our bridges.

I have a degree in engineering and I never used any more math or physics in my engineering jobs that I didn't already know in high school.

I once asked a group of engineers why I ever needed to go to college, sit through boring lectures, take 6 semesters of calculus and end up $30,000 in debt just to use algebra and look up properties in tables and one fellow drone offered that going to college proved to employers you will show up on time.

An odd assumption, considering I was always late for my classes, if I even went at all.

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» Great point! Posted by: Bobsays
» RE: Engineering Bridges? Posted by: Sushi
» University education vs OTJ training Posted by: poppop_schell
» There's a good point Posted by: ateo
» RE: There's a good point Posted by: poppop_schell
Objectively?
Posted by: igoeja on May 2, 2007 3:30 AM   
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Granted, people that can't handle college, or perform poorly, might think of it as conformity, and think of good grades as favoritism, but most college students, and particularly the best academic performers, are not conformists. What one considers conformity, is better termed socialization and value system similarity, but such value systems are inherently individualistic and often politically liberal and leftist, although all educational systems require some level of indoctrination.

Back to objectivity, one might think of education as a proxy for intelligence and productivity. Why? The correlation between educational attainment and IQ is about 0.6. The correlation between IQ and job performance is 0.4 to 0.8, increasing with job complexity.

Conscientiousness, the ability to follow through, is more likely the attribute one should single out, and this too has a high correlation with workplace performance.

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» RE: Objectively? Posted by: poppop_schell
Another angle: are big-name schools worth it?
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on May 2, 2007 3:54 AM   
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New twist in the Jones story in today's Boston Globe:
"First, despite having falsely claimed three degrees she did not have, it turns out Jones does have a college degree -- from a school she did not list on the résumé she gave MIT when she first applied for a job there... She earned a bachelor's degree in biology in 1973 from a small Catholic college in Albany, the College of Saint Rose, according to MIT and Saint Rose...The news that Jones has a degree from Saint Rose raises the question of whether her past inspired her to lead a crusade to convince parents and students that a famous college isn't the only ticket to success."

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pick your major, pick your poison....
Posted by: ellie on May 2, 2007 4:02 AM   
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as a university professor with a real PhD, (including the lifetime of debt for a miniscule salary) who is still very proud of her non-conformist and non-stellar performance in high school, I treasue those students who kick up a ruckus, try to get those baby sheeples to think out of the box, use common sense, encourage dissent plus creativity, and dispise giving and grading exams....

it all depends on the dicipline you pick, my dicipline, sociology, are the 'hold it folks, who spiked the kool-aid' people!!!

in my department, every faculty member gets one section of sociology 101 which makes the distribution of usually first year students fairly evenly distributed... we all have one hell of a time de-programming our students and try to get them up to speed on critical thinking from years of mind numbing standardized 'no child left behind' testing, teach then to read and write, and eventually, during the semester the lights start to go on in their heads, ok, most not all of them...

ok, back to coffee, rant done for now... conformity is based on your selection of your major... no real money to be made in soc, but it sure is fun being a professional pain in the neck, and our majors do go on to work on issues and projects that try to put a dent in unfair and injust mainstream policies and laws....

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» Communication Degrees... Posted by: Phenix
Competence?
Posted by: reval on May 2, 2007 4:12 AM   
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Anyone inclined to believe that there's a direct correlation between a college degree and competence needs to become a hospital patient with a life-threatening illness. That experience alone will teach you everything you need to know about what colleges are pumping out.

It will be one of the most frightful experiences you'll ever have in your life.
Rev. El

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» RE: Competence? Posted by: talkville
Are college degrees signs of competence? Of course not. Look at President Bush.
Posted by: HughScott on May 2, 2007 4:17 AM   
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For AlterNet bloggers with sheepskins who think they’re smart, I challenge them to take the following 10-question test:

1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters in English.
2. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
3. Name the epochs into which U.S, history is divided.
4. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
5. Who were Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Penn and Howe?
6. What are “elementary” sounds and how are they classified?
7. Define the following prefixes and use in conjunction with words: mis, pre, semi, post, non and inter.
8. Give four substitutes for the caret ‘u’.
9. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each.
10. Describe the movements of Earth and give its inclination.

Those questions are from a final exam administered to eighth grade students in Salina, Kansas. The year? 1895. That’s right, folks – 112 years ago.

My generation (I'm 71) got to the Moon using slide rules and T-squares. Today's "college" graduates need GPS to find the next gas station.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» What a difference a year makes! Posted by: talkville
» Dickens re-dux Posted by: talkville
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» Do They Change Your Depends Posted by: apophenia_monkey
» You're as Bad as Rush and Bush 43 Hugh Posted by: apophenia_monkey
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» RE: lawl, 1337 computer science III h4x0r Posted by: apophenia_monkey
» A RIDICULOUS COMPARRISON Posted by: hurshy43
» RE: A RIDICULOUS COMPARRISON Posted by: poppop_schell
It's not just college -- let's include the financial industry!
Posted by: anonimus1 on May 2, 2007 4:52 AM   
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It's not just college -- let's include the financial industry!

I have a friend who filled me in on what goes on in the financial industry. Apparently, most financial planners go through endless hoops to receive various licenses, so that they can learn how to manage your money.

None of these people are hired for their ability to manage money, however. The interviews are all completely focused on one's ability to sell. It does not matter what company, either. They are ALL like this.

So, you can be a self-taught, gifted, market trader who knows how to make tremendous amounts of money. But if you get into the interview process with any of these financial firms, that same person won't ever open doors if they have not demonstrated that they can sell, sell, sell!!!! The sales guru will always have priority over the trading guru, with all financial firms. ALWAYS. This is no exaggeration, apparently, from what I have been told.

So, these firms will have someone manage your money who knows nothing about how to make money. They will certainly know how to sell, though. And they will know how to make you comfortable and ready to believe them, because they have been specifically trained to do this to you.

With most Americans facing major short-falls in retirement due to yearly 8% inflation of the US dollar, and sky-rocketing healthcare, food and energy costs -- the US government has essentially agreed to fully allow a bunch of sales morons to handle your money for you, to ensure that you retire.

As long as they are fully licensed and fully conformist, they are all set to go to screw up your retirement. I have learned to first ask such people if they know how to make successful trades in the stock market, and to demonstrate this ability on paper by picking stocks in the market, and see how much money they make in a one month time span.

99.9% these people will have no idea how to personally do this. However, it's essential that they personally make you consistent money in your retirement portfolio, so that you can retire.

Next time you sit down with a financial advisor, make sure they pass the paper-trading (on paper only -- not real trades) one-month stock test before they touch your hard-earned money!!!

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Yes and No
Posted by: socialpsych on May 2, 2007 4:52 AM   
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I've been teaching college for 23 years and I would love a little more obedience and conformity from students. I don't mean in the sense of training kids to be mindless office drones. Hardly! I mean reading when they are given reading assignments and writing their own thoughts in their own words rather than cutting and pasting other people's work from the web and turning that in with their names on it. The Me Generation is too busy conforming to the demands of cell phone companies, video game manufacturers, and the downloadable music industry to be capable of controlling themselves enough to read, write, and do math in accordance with the contract they entered into when they signed on for duty as college students. In the end, we are graduating illiterate dolts who may be just what the marketplace of meaningless jobs deserves.

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» RE: Yes and No Posted by: babalucci
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» RE: Yes and No Posted by: omnivore
the double-edged sword
Posted by: kww355 on May 2, 2007 5:15 AM   
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The job market is so lousy ( in my corner of the world, at least ) that employers use the requirement of a degree as a first "screen" to lessen the sheer volume of applicants. If you make it over that hurdle, some will tell you that you are "too educated" for this particular job. You'll be bored, unhappy and won't stay. ( You knew it anyway but applied for the job in sheer desperation to bring in some $$ and try to pay off the student loans. )

Requiring a degree for many jobs is a conceit and "class-ism". I had 1 year of college, got a job that paid well and retired at 50. I know lots of brainy, intelligent grads but many don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain. My father calls them "educated idiots".

There can be a wide berth between "book learning" and good old common sense.

I'm not demeaning anyone with a degree. I'm just pointing out that there are lots of bright, concientious people out here without degrees that would be valuable employees. Too bad most companies will never find out.

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» RE: the double-edged sword Posted by: poppop_schell
Irrelevant Degrees
Posted by: emgscot51 on May 2, 2007 5:21 AM   
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I spent my career as a mainframe computer programmer, without a degree. I was surrounded by college graduates who often turned to me for help with the work we were all doing. My only concern with the graduates was that very few had relevant degrees like Computer Science. There were degrees in oceanography, communications, fine arts, and even one in theology. At least I got to continue to do the work I loved since promotions into middle management required that precious degree. Naturally, I became a well-paid consultant.

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» RE: Irrelevant Degrees Posted by: Bobsays
sad state of learning
Posted by: nkmarti on May 2, 2007 5:37 AM   
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I know this will sound stupidly utopian, idealistic, and a bit naive, but I feel that its the role of colleges as "training schools," the emphasis on what kind of job my kid's going to get--because it's often the parents that push this idea--that has made education into a commodity (and an expensive privilege) instead of an area of curiosity and intellectual growth. Just like how many schools with NCLB prepare for the tests, high schools--often, but not always, elite ones--prepare for college entrance, also often teaching for the tests.

Who gets to go to college, and how much it costs, are appalling. As a humanities professor, sometimes the cost of one student going to University can pay my salary. So it's not for the "big bucks" that we do it...it's for the intellectual interaction, turning students on to ideas, watching them light up when they learn. Those are (and should be the rewards) of a college experience. And more people should be able to experience that lightbulb going on.

Still, in a country so divided by wealth and privilege, and caught up in the myth that we're a "meritocracy" and that working hard can get you somewhere, getting a good job seems like the natural and only way to achieve success--and payoff massive debt, whether from college or otherwise.

I don't know specifically how I could personally change things, except staying actively involved in politics. I'll never stop trying to get the maximum amount of "light bulbs" to light in my classes, or turn students on to learning.

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» RE: sad state of learning Posted by: poppop_schell
otto
Posted by: otto on May 2, 2007 5:56 AM   
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Interesting and thought provoking! Marshall McLuhan used to insist that written exams were designed by professors after the invention of the printing press, as a means of controlling students who were too smart to handle. In earlier times lectures were public and obviously oral, as were exams, and students chose teachers who gave the best lectures. Students could ask questins and challenge teachers, but the teachers were the sources of their information and so had to be better informed. After books and reading became more common, many well-read students would stand up and challenge their teachers...so something had to be done to protect the teachers and their reputations: written (secret) exams that the teachers marked - privately, of course!

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Grad School
Posted by: pdxstudent on May 2, 2007 5:58 AM   
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"In fact in his book Executive Blues G. J. Meyers warned of the "academic stench" that can sink a career: That master's degree in English?"

Ahh, a reminder of why I'm not going to grad-school (as an English major) unless someone else is paying for it.

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» RE: Grad School Posted by: zyxwvut
Fear supports lower pay, too.
Posted by: papermaven on May 2, 2007 6:10 AM   
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I found this on a librarian's job listing site the other day. Note that it requires a BA, prefers a Masters, and is full-time but pays hourly. Based on 2000 hours/year, which is, I suspect an overestimate, that's $22,720/year. You can't aspire to much on that, even in Knoxville.
SENIOR LIBRARY ASSOCIATE III-Howard Baker Center for Public Policy- Pay Grade 37, $11.36 hr. Regular, F/T Earned Bachelor's degree. Master's degree preferred. Administrative background with some archives knowledge helpful. Knowledge of webpage design and management and digitization. Knowledge of Windows operating system, some digital image, audio and video standards helpful. Apply with cover letter, UT Employment Application, resume and references to: Bobby Holt, Howard H. Baker, Jr. Center for Public Policy, 217 Hoskins Library, Knoxville, TN 37996-4014.
Req Number: 06-126980443K

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» Speaking as a library employee... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» We still have libraries? Posted by: ateo
We need more liberal arts majors!
Posted by: zooeyhall on May 2, 2007 6:18 AM   
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Liberal Arts majors (like sociology) are the ones that really matter in this world. Look at who it is that totalitarian governments monitor and arrest in the middle of the night. It is NOT the chemistry people or the MBAs or the engineers. It is the poets, philosophers, authors, sociologists...in other words the people who ask the fundamental questions and are the ones who THINK! They are the ones who raise the ruckus...not the geeks with the MBA in computers.

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» Ditto Posted by: talkville
» Science Posted by: benzene
Now I remember why I'm self employed
Posted by: Gypsi on May 2, 2007 6:23 AM   
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I'm not a conformist, I hate sitting for hours pretending to be busy, did 20 years in the business world, and just about won't hire anyone to touch anything that matters, like bookkeeping, money management or even web design. It only takes one educated idiot to crash a company when it's as small as mine. But I started the company when I couldn't get a job doing what I wanted to do. I hope to never re-enter the job market. I can't call a weed a rose and keep a straight face.. Great comments, great story.

I think a high school diploma from prior to 1980 might be worth a college degree today. We learned things that are just not being taught.

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» LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP Posted by: hurshy43
» RE: LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP Posted by: poppop_schell
The American Dream
Posted by: ritadona on May 2, 2007 6:26 AM   
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A college education is something that is sold hard, too, to the children of immigrants. It's a badge of honor among family to be among the ones who have attained such a lofty goal.
I've long felt, though, that college, much like the rest of this country's educational system (any country's system?) is an institution designed to do much as you've stated in your article--indoctrinate people into the ways of society, conformity. I've also known that college, university is a business, and like any other business, they have a bottom line.
It's funny to think that most of this country, getting back to the immigrant issue, is built by uneducated (often illegal) immigrant labor--people with skills that no college classroom could ever provide. Chief among these, survival. They don't teach you how to survive in college, though I suppose you figure that out (the fact that your college education didn't really teach you how to live in the real world) soon enoug