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Rebecca Walker: Baby Love and Other Observations from Writing While Pregnant

By Rachel Kramer Bussel, SMITH Magazine. Posted April 30, 2007.


Exploring abortion at 14, her rocky relationship with her mother Alice Walker, and the ecstasy of bearing a child at 37, the content of Rebecca Walker's memoir provides fertile ground for this probing interview.

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Writer Rebecca Walker knew at the age of 20 that she wanted to have a baby. While traveling in Africa, she had a vision of herself mothering a child with a man she encountered there, but she pushed it aside. She continued to push her maternal longings aside for fifteen years until meeting her current partner Glen, who encouraged her to follow her heart. She recounts this journey in Baby Love: Choosing Motherhood After a Lifetime of Ambivalence (Riverhead). Now the 37-year-old mother of two-year-old son Tenzin wants to let young women know that being ambivalent about having kids can be costly.

Exploring everything from her abortion at age 14 to her conflicted feelings towards the child she adopted with her female partner, Walker takes readers intimately inside every stage of her pregnancy and painful birth. Along the way, she also details her relationship with her mother, feminist writer Alice Walker, which that grows increasingly fraught as her pregnancy progresses. Pinning her personal journey to a broader cultural paradigm of women putting off parenting until "the time is right," Walker, also the author of Black, White and Jewish: Autobiography of a Shifting Self (Riverhead, 2001) and editor of What Makes a Man: 22 Writers Imagine The Future (Riverhead, 2004), sees her book as providing advice she wished she knew while making this most important decision.

Rachel Kramer Bussel: The book is written in diary form, taking you through the very earliest stages of your pregnancy through birth. Is it culled from actual diary entries? When was the book actually written?

Rebecca Walker: It is in journal form but then there are the chapters, so I was doing some journalism but I was doing a lot of diagramming. I had huge sheets of paper taped to the wall and I was going to call it The Book of Lists. When I was pregnant I found myself making lists constantly: things I should eat, things I shouldn't eat, all the stroller options, what things induced labor, what things to take to the hospital. It was constant listmaking on huge pieces of paper. Then I started diagramming different experiences that I was having and making notes on them all.

Bussel: Was that just for you or was it with the intention of turning it into a book?

Walker: My process for writing is generally that I diagram on the wall, so I was already thinking about writing a book. But it wasn't until maybe my third or fourth month when I found myself saying, "Nobody ever told me it was going to be like that" that I wanted to document it in a way I could share it with other people who weren't informed about what it was going to be like.

Bussel: Was the actual book written while you were pregnant?

Walker: The journal was written all while I was pregnant. Some of the chapters, which are meditations on the theme, were written while I was pregnant. The last one was written when Tenzin was about six or seven months old. I would say for the most part, 85% of the book was written while I was pregnant; then there's the labor and that last chapter.

Bussel: How do you feel about the statements you make in the book when you reread them now? Did some of them change after you weren't pregnant?

Walker: It's hard to say; there is something called baby love and it is describing a temporal experience. It has to do with the rush of hormones and the intense experience of being pregnant which is a finite experience that I think affects one's view. I stand behind everything in the book, but I don't know that I feel the same things as intensely.

I was really in the throes of all that stuff. I was being confronted with a lot of feelings and experiences in the pregnancy that I don't think I could recreate. They were really motivated by that super immediate experience of having this baby inside of me, not knowing what was going to happen and feeling a lot of urges that I had never felt before. I think it would be very hard to recreate that.

Bussel: There's a sense in the book that something had been holding you back from even admitting that you truly wanted a baby, and that once you realized that truth and went with it, your life changed. What were the main things holding you back, and how did you overcome that? What enabled you to make that change after 15 years?

Walker: Being supported in the longing, having somebody who said, "Of course you should do it," someone who didn't question the urge. I think that was key because so many other people had questioned it or fed into my ambivalence about it. Meeting someone who was so decisive and so supportive was helpful. Deciding to follow my own inner callings, deciding to just not be cowed by all the different sociopolitical scripts that I'd been raised with and not to succumb to the fear that had a lot to do with meeting the right person and my maturation process. Recognizing that I had had a history of depression and being active in addressing that and resolving for myself that I didn't have to repeat some of those things that I had grown up with, all of those things paved the way for my choice to proceed with fate. I could and I would be a great mom and my life wouldn't be over; I could still be a creative and a thinking person.

Bussel: Your relationship with your mother is equally prominent in the text as your relationships with your son and partner, and the picture you paint is one of a very rocky, tumultuous relationship. How did the process of writing about it, both in Baby Love and in Black, White, and Jewish, help you deal with that relationship?


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Rachel Kramer Bussel lives in New York City. She is Senior Editor at Penthouse Variations, and a Contributing Editor to Penthouse.

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Same here
Posted by: asilsfable on Apr 30, 2007 2:26 AM   
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I, too, am black and Jewish, am a new mother and an older mom. I've also had a tumultuous relationship with my mother, which led me to question what kind of parent/mother I could be. I am also enchanted with the experience of mothering.

Having a son (he's 18 months) has made me much more political and much more engaged in world affairs. I also travel a great deal--at times twice a month--and sometimes he comes with me. He's had a passport since 5 months old (and his picture is adorable!).

There's a couple of points I must make, however, with regard to Ms Walker's assertions about motherhood. It's quite true that everyone lies to pregnant women; it's stunning what people won't/don't tell you. Unfortunately, Ms Walker continues that tradition by not fully explaining or elaborating what aspects of motherhood truly are challenging and consciousness expanding.

Growing a child inside of one's body is not necessarily an experience that every woman needs to have in order to have a successful, bonded and engaged relationship with their child. If someone left my son, Jansen, on my doorstep, I can't imagine loving him any less than I do now. The 'glue' comes with the process; the longer we know each other, the more bonded we are to each other. It doesn't come with passing through the birth canal; it comes with the passage of time. Trust me, childbirth ain't the fun part!

Post partum syndrome has gotten a lot of ink as of late, but no one ever waxes poetic about the 'freakout' that most new mothers go through--often regardless of age. Finding out that mothering is not instinctual and going through the 'I'm a failure as a woman' phase is the rite of passage that many experienced mothers forget about. It can be a lonely experience, that first child, for some reason. It's all about coming to terms with who you need to be (which is a better person) in order to parent well and relate to a new being. It's very Zen; your kid will always mirror your best and worst attributes and you have to deal with that--which means dealing with yourself.

The other issue I had with the interview is that there was no mention of the benefits of being an older mother. I'm SO glad I have the economic and emotional stability that years under your belt confer. I don't feel that my child has robbed me of any 'youth' or taken something away from me in regards to my time. It was my decision in the end to have my son, and I'm ever so happy that I did. He's taught me so many things about myself and broadened my sense of what defines accomplishment. I now include successful relationships in that realm, and I must say that's something that's never occured to me before.

For me, personally, giving birth has turned me into an abortion activist. No one should have to endure childbirth if they don't want to. Children ideally should be wanted from the onset and though many who populate this earth are 'accidents', that fact serves as no reason to imprison a pregnant female with forced labor if she doesn't want to go through it.

Lastly, I applaud Alternet for running this article, considering its readership. I've been disenchanted with Alternet as of late due in part to the anti-child stances I've read from posters. I consider myself a progressive and to infer that I cannot be so and be a mother as well is offensive to me. It also doesn't serve the movement; over 80% of women by age 44 are mothers. To dismiss all of us wholesale as a liberal lost cause is a grave mistake.

I believe that we, including my son and I, have something to contribute.

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Groan.
Posted by: bradford on Apr 30, 2007 4:44 AM   
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Just what we need - yet ANOTHER self-absorbed pregnancy book by yet another self-important yenta. Like nobody ever crapped out a kid before. Puuulleeesse! Save this tripe for Good Housekeeping.

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» RE: Groan. Posted by: douglashoyt
this is almost worthy of NPR
Posted by: kelt65 on Apr 30, 2007 4:47 AM   
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Don't we have enough self congratulatory epiphanies from middle class yuppies?

This person hasn't been through shit

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Why any intelligent woman would choose to bring another human onto the planet...
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 30, 2007 6:36 AM   
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Why any intelligent woman would choose to bring another human onto the planet just blows my mind. We all know the reasons why the earth needs less humans. But eco-devastation aside...as long as parents are raising their kids to be conscious eco-friendly humans, it's a good thing. If parents are raising their kids on McDonalds, Walmart, and X-Box...well, then they're not doing the future of the planet any favors.
Teach your children well. The future of ALL SPECIES is in their hands.

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some things disturb me
Posted by: SekhmetsatRa on Apr 30, 2007 7:43 AM   
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she's right that pregnancy and motherhood are lied about, but she herself is adding the gilt by stating she learned more from her kid than yale... she must not've taken the right classes. i have children. they drive me insane. the only reason she still has baby love is she DOESN"T deal with the kid 24 hours, 8-days a week. she gets trips away. quit your tripping, sister, and see how long the love lasts. real motherhood, the kind endured by us sub-elites, do not EVER get trips away. School is a time of rejoicing, because we FINALLY, FINALLY get time to ourselves. i can't wait til mine are grown up and GONE.

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» RE: some things disturb me Posted by: tigerlilly
Ambivalence about Children can be costly?
Posted by: nkmarti on Apr 30, 2007 7:52 AM   
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Having children can be costly, to the planet and to the lives of women. Nice to know that Ms. Walker had such choices, indeed, but I get sick of the beauty of motherhood being constantly shoved down my throat. For another take on parental ambivalence that might give some women the other side of the tale, try reading WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN.

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My experiences during pregnancy.
Posted by: andrewstromotich on Apr 30, 2007 9:20 AM   
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Having a child also changed my life. Having a child during the war in Iraq was crazy. Filled with love and awe for my wife, feeling the kicks, being the first hands to touch my daughter, watching my wife give birth infront of my mother, her mother my grandmother and my sister, and seeing what the experience did to them definitely made me more political. I would hold my daughter and tears would fill my eyes. I had to lie and tell my wife they were tears of joy (i was incredibly happy) because I couldn't tell her that in my head I was imagining all the sins I had witnessed while working on my film. babies with empty skulls and dirt in their eyes, parents eyes forever burned, and the cries of one who has had this gift ripped from their chest would fill my head as i stared lovingly into the eyes of my own gift.
A mother watching as the tortured wheezing through a traciotomy tube of her only son ceases in the barren "operating room" of a falluja hospital (her only daughter died the next day: both shot by US snipers during curfew in the first siege)...

Having a child changed everything. Baby clothes smell of third world children's sweat, filling the tank with gas tightens the muscles in my back...

my friend Hans's son just got a bronchial infection and cried for two days straight. My friend Rana stayed with a host family in samarra (she is an NGO worker) whose infant son threw up and cried for over 24 hours before they risked a trip to the hospital (turned back by unmoved soldiers at a road block that signalled they would be killed if they continued). the child is probably dead now...

all of us with children have been given a gift, but until we understand and confront murder in a time of love, we are dooming our children by ignoring the sufferings of their siblings...
Iraq, Nirvana, and Collective Existence

sorry for the rant...

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Now to find the right publisher...
Posted by: DaBear on Apr 30, 2007 9:22 AM   
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It's a nice book, this nice privileged woman wrote. She has important things to say. What struck me, as it struck other commentors, it the sheer.... well, privilege of it all. A Nanny? For a minute I thought this was a peer, then I realized no, she's from the elites.

The other part that stood out for me was the depiction of men, fathers in Sweden and elsewhere. I'm a SAHD (now back to working from home) and it was a hellish journey, not the kid part, the dealing with asshat males and contemptuous or envious females part. The is no limit to how much shit other grownups want to download onto the poor SAHD schmuck in 'Merkuh. I've been pitching this idea about so-called "Baby love" and men who become SAHD's by choice and economic reality (not-so-much-choice) to lots of publishers lately and the response thus far is, "American audiences just aren't into Dads. Write about your wife, that'll be more marketable." Feminism, as defined by Ms. Walker's definition, has some more work to do. Maybe I'll move to Sweden... oh wait, they're tougher on immigration than Canada... who told us, we don't need any more teachers or writers. We want oil industry techs. Damn, foiled again.

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aps
Posted by: aps on Apr 30, 2007 10:26 AM   
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for all those grief-stricken women...go get a child! there are thousands languishing in fostercare. adopting is wonderful. no pregnancy fatigue.recovery. let go of the ego driven desire to have a biological child. take care of the ones who are already here. i call myself, laughingly, a geriatric parent...i was 47 when we adoptod our infant daughter. put a child in your lap & you are a family. i'm glad i'm not putting my child thru the selfish, introspective drama of my youth.now i can easily allow her to expand my soul while growing into her own. soo, women, stop whining & get busy. children are waiting.resources are abundant.

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Red Brown and Blue Party comment
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Apr 30, 2007 10:38 AM   
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"Baby Love" is the standard of high justice, relative to our "inner baby" and all those suffering outer ones. Woe to those who fail the test. An ancient wall-writer put this in the mouth of the mythical Jesus concerning those who failed the baby-love test: "It were better a millstone were tied around their necks and they were thrown into the sea." It appears Davy Jones will be having lots of company. Love, Baby, love.

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What did Alice Walker say-
Posted by: WitchyNy on Apr 30, 2007 10:50 AM   
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about this book?

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OH PLEASE
Posted by: Mewsician on Apr 30, 2007 1:58 PM   
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What in hell was the point of putting this junk on the AlterNet site? I mean, since the urge to have babies and talk about it is such a rarified thing and all....

Next topic, please. On something that really matters, if at all possible.

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Color me colorless.... clueless...and... cunning... but of course..
Posted by: ekipnrut on Apr 30, 2007 2:35 PM   
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America used to have one of the best public school systems in the world ......Ummm....exactly when was this
'golden' era American public education (regardless of race)....
Moreover anyone who asserts some element of even
nebulously defined blackness as part of their heritage,is virtually compelled to acknowledge the continuing 'train wreck' of racist miseducation that has ALWAYS been characteristic of what blacks have experienced in public school systems.
Even if she herself..as is obvious..was not so victimized.
Interestingly enough..few jews, certainly authors, would be so stupid or carelessly thoughtless to say anything that could be construed as being unmindful of the history of concrete manifestations of antisemitism. Even more: (as quoted in a March 30, 2007 washingtonpost.com article)........
Yes, I would do anything for my first son, within reason. But I would do anything at all for my second child, without reason, without a doubt." [note: by her 'first' son she refers to her stepson..biological child of her former bisexual lover Me'shell Ndegeocello... with whom she retains her role as a coparent]
Then came a profile earlier this month in the New York Times, in which she sharpened the distinction. While she knows that she would "die for" Tenzin, she said, she's not sure she would do the same for her non-biological child.
Infuriated letters to the editors ensued. As did angry postings on her blog RebeccaWalker.com, such as this one: "I do not want to speak for all the infertile women in the world who cannot birth their own 'natural' children but your comments in the NYTimes about adoptive parents not experiencing the same level of love as biological parents were about the most insensitive I have ever experienced.

This is a ,IMHO, confused, unfocused feckless random stumble
down a path which neither originates in nor leads to any substance or insight... much less wisdom...for people engaged in the struggle to survive and to resist and live beyond fascism
This is a simple 'bitch'...something to ignore....

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Troubled
Posted by: docholliday on Apr 30, 2007 3:12 PM   
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I am troubled by two aspects of this article:

1) The emphasis of having a baby as a milestone in a woman's life.
2) That she wished she had had someone talk to her about having children instead of encouraging her to apply for fellowships, etc.

Does she know how many of us women there are out there who have been wanting to be included in intellectual or academic circles but have never had anyone encourage us? Or that instead of expecting our female minds to think, there are many of us who keep getting asked about when we are going to have a child because, of course, that's what we're supposed to do as women. Or, does she realizes that the epiphanies she's had are probably the result of having waited? As a significantly less mature 20 year old does she really think she would have had all this "Baby Love" she talks about? Or would she have resented her child?

Having the freedom to think, write, and publish are privileges not all of us have even if we desire them.

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