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Culture of Fear: Poetry Professor Becomes Terror Suspect
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A young man from ROTC was watching me as I got into my car and drove away. I thought he was looking at my car, which has black flower decals and sometimes inspires strange looks. I later discovered that I, in my dark skin, am sometimes not even a person to the people who look at me. Instead, in spite of my peacefulness, my committed opposition to all aggression and war, I am a threat by my very existence, a threat just living in the world as a Muslim body.
Upon my departure, he called the local police department and told them a man of Middle Eastern descent driving a heavily decaled white Beetle with out of state plates and no campus parking sticker had just placed a box next to the trash can. My car has NY plates, but he got the rest of it wrong. I have two stickers on my car. One is my highly visible faculty parking sticker and the other, which I just don't have the heart to take off these days, says, "Kerry/Edwards: For a Stronger America."
Because of my recycling, the bomb squad came, then the state police. Because of my recycling, buildings were evacuated, classes were canceled, the campus was closed. No. Not because of my recycling. Because of my dark body. No. Not even that. Because of his fear. Because of the way he saw me. Because of the culture of fear, mistrust, hatred and suspicion that is carefully cultivated in the media, by the government, by people who claim to want to keep us "safe."
These are the days of orange alerts, school lock-downs, and endless war. We are preparing for it, training for it, looking for it, and so, of course, in the most innocuous instances -- a professor wanting to hurry home, hefting his box of discarded poetry -- we find it.
That man in the parking lot didn't even see me. He saw my darkness. He saw my Middle Eastern descent. This is ironic because though my grandfathers came from Egypt, I am Indian, a South Asian, and could never be mistaken for a Middle Eastern man by anyone who had ever met one.
One of my colleagues was in the gathering crowd, trying to figure out what had happened. She heard my description -- a Middle Eastern man driving a white Beetle with out of state plates -- and knew immediately they were talking about me and realized that the box must have been manuscripts I was discarding. She approached them and told them I was a professor on the faculty there. Immediately the campus police officer said, "What country is he from?"
"What country is he from?!" she yelled, indignant.
"Ma'am, you are associated with the suspect. You need to step away and lower your voice," he told her.
At some length, several of my faculty colleagues were able to get through to the police and get me on a cell phone where I explained to the university president and then to the state police that the box contained old poetry manuscripts that needed to be recycled. The police officer told me that in the current climate I needed to be more careful about how I behaved. "When I recycle?" I asked.
The university president appreciated my distress about the situation but denied that the call had anything to do with my race or ethnic background. The spokesperson of the university called it an "honest mistake," not referring to the young man from ROTC giving in to his worst instincts and calling the police but referring to me who made the mistake of being dark-skinned and putting my recycling next to the trashcan.
The university's bizarrely minimal statement lets everyone know that the "suspicious package" beside the trashcan ended up being, indeed, trash. It goes on to say, "We appreciate your cooperation during the incident and remind everyone that safety is a joint effort by all members of the campus community."
What does that community mean to me, a person who has to walk by the ROTC offices every day on my way to my own office just down the hall -- who was watched, noted and reported, all in a day's work? Today, we gave in willingly and wholeheartedly to a culture of fear and blaming and profiling. It is deemed perfectly appropriate behavior to spy on one another and police one another and report on one another. Such behaviors exist most strongly in closed, undemocratic and fascist societies.
The university report does not mention the root cause of the alarm. That package became "suspicious" because of who was holding it, who put it down, who drove away. Me.
It was poetry, I kept insisting to the state policeman who was questioning me on the phone. It was poetry I was putting out to be recycled.
My body exists politically in a way I cannot prevent. For a moment today, without even knowing it, driving away from campus in my little Beetle, exhausted after a day of teaching, listening to Justin Timberlake on the radio, I ceased to be a person when a man I had never met looked straight through me and saw the violence in his own heart.
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Posted by: talkville on Apr 24, 2007 1:41 AM
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» culture of cowardice?
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» RE: Indeed a culture of fear
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» Call it like it is: RACISM
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» He was from Boston?
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Posted by: disgusted on Apr 24, 2007 3:20 AM
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He was once a settler who cut down and burned the forest of New England because he was afraid of the wildlife. He was once a trader who passed out smallpox blankets to the Indians. Then later a buffalo hunter who decimated entire herds and left them to rot on the plains. His grandfather herded Japanese into camps, his father was at MyLai. His brothers are at Abu Graib and Gitmo. Where will he be tommorrow?
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» Lets not forget he was at Kent State, Seattle, Genoa, etc... nm
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» And that he hasn't always been white... you know.. like Colin Powell.
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» "He" is not "Other." "He" is "Us."
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» That's right, the white man is the devil!!!!!11!1!1one
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 24, 2007 4:41 AM
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That ROTC kid sounds like a total dork.
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Posted by: Hedda on Apr 24, 2007 4:45 AM
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My point being, I have seen first hand how people with dark skin are viewed and it is very sad. They are viewed by many as suspect....ask any black american, they understandwhat it means to be profiled, and now people from other countries with dark skin are presumed a terrorist first ....only to be watched until proven to be innocent. kinda bass akwards huh. but, sadly seems to be an American tradition.
One thing I don't understand is ....... why do some white people tan ? Then treat people with dark skin different? Are they jealous that they have to work for a tan? I dunno, I just don't get it.
I also was telling another friend I went to school about what happened to my neighbor and how I saw it as racial profiling.... you know what he said to me? Keep in mind he is a black man (actually brown, anyways...) he said, "I dunno, If I had to fly and I saw one of them turban heads getting on the plane, ummm ........... I think I'll be driving".
Go figure.
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Posted by: luther6 on Apr 24, 2007 4:52 AM
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Posted by: katz22br on Apr 24, 2007 5:16 AM
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A country where, decades after a supposed "integration", most neighborhoods are still pretty much segregated and where the heritage/color of one's skin still elicits different treatment from law enforcement and the justice system, is certainly fertile soil for the roots of this fear and distrust, us vs. them, mentality.
Although is tempting (and easy) to peg all ills on the current administration, that kind of behavior is neither new nor unexpected in the US. Power plays and interests morphed from time to time, but all non-WASP got (and still get) their time as scapegoat-du-jour: Native, Black, Chinese, Irish, Italian, Jew, Japanese, Catholic, Latino, and now Middle-Eastern, just to name a few. Along with the scapegoating goes the profiling, which is little more than prejudice and stereotypes made legal.
And back we go to segregation, since prejudice and stereotypes go hand in hand with ignorance of what the "other" is really about, and that kind of ignorance can only survive in isolation. If you live in a totally homogeneous neighborhood, is easy to believe whatever is said about those strangers living on the other side of the tracks. You don't see their day-to-day lives, their happy and sad moments, your kids don't play with their kids. All you know about them is whatever is told to you by government and media.
Divide and conquer, as always. Dubya didn't have to work too hard on that one.
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Posted by: luther6 on Apr 24, 2007 5:33 AM
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If there had been anything in the box that they could have called bomb making materials, both of those people would have been arrested. Possibly released later, but maybe tried and even convicted. I always love the expression on the poor idiot's face when he/she realizes that yes, the jury is buying the ridiculous "evidence" and convicting them.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Apr 24, 2007 5:36 AM
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The tragedy is that in this country, where we have a wide variety of ethnic groups, indicents such as these will happen.. It is an insult to those involved but it appears unavoidable.
I'd rather insult the person than take a chance of having hundreds killed by a bomb!
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Posted by: Hedda on Apr 24, 2007 6:08 AM
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After the shootings at Virginia Tech there were dozens (maybe hundreds?) of threats made on other campuses around the country. People at other colleges realized that this could happen anywhere, even their school.
SO what if the ROTC student wasn't judging the box of poetry based on the color of the persons skin dropping it off, but his fear came from a different place.... like the V-teck shootings.
In that case was he just exercising his concience "better safe than sorry?"
Food for thought!
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 24, 2007 6:26 AM
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Yes, we should be protected from real terrorism... but this sort of paranoia and idiocy IS NOT PROTECTING US!!!!
So now terrorists around the world know.. you want to create panic in Boston? You don't need explosives... just a fucking litebrite or two. When we panic over something like this, we dramatically lower what people who actually want to do harm to our people have to do to create panic.
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» And the media...
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» Ok... how do you "profile" for these folks?
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» Cho didn't pass the test but was given a "passing" grade just like the 19 hijackers had multiple
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» You didn't even read my post but that's ok. Your violent response says it all.
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» RE:the killer at VA Tech WAS profiled!
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» Like I said, you ppl would much rather persecute nonviolent people than nail the violent ones but
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Apr 24, 2007 6:47 AM
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Where was Alter-Net for Steven Jones?
Professor Kevin Barrett was continually harrassed by Republican officials who demanded his firing from a University of Wisconsin. Barrett had high ratings as a teacher, why did they try to fire him? Barrett was "outside the classroom" fighting for 9/11 truth. Barrett was even physically attacked.
Where was Alter-Net for Kevin Barrett?
Educators all over the US and Canada have been attacked and threatened with dismissal for demanding the truth about the lies we've been fed about 9/11, which have been used to strip our civil liberties and stage bloody wars for oil.
Where was Alter-Net?
Alter-net is nausiatingly "select" about what freedom they defend. It is time to demand Alter-Net stop shilling for the government's lies about 9/11, and act like a REAL ALTERNATIVE NEWS SOURCE.
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» The "911TruthMovement" is a propaganda front - look at "Loose Change"
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 24, 2007 7:39 AM
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That's what happens when a corrupt and incompetent commander-in-chief uses fear-mongering to lead the United State during wartime instead of traditional patriotic values, such as shared sacrifice. The end result: a nation of quivering sheep.
My fifth great-grandfather, John Scott, a Vermont farmer who fought British Redcoats in 1776, has to be turning in his grave -– 10,000 rpm minimum.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption. AlterNet readers who object to my NON-PROFIT campaign to expose President Bush as a lying crook can email me through the website rather than comment here.
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» RE: America: a nation of quivering sheep -- thanks to President Bush.
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» RE: A nation of quivering sheep - BE AFRAID
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Posted by: kiel on Apr 24, 2007 9:01 AM
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Man, the idiocy just keeps growing....
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Posted by: Fojie on Apr 24, 2007 9:28 AM
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The ROTC student should be suspended for calling in a fake bomb threat.
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Posted by: z on Apr 24, 2007 10:29 AM
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"We have nothing to fear but fear itself......"
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on Apr 24, 2007 10:30 AM
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I'd milk it for all it was worth if I had the skill set, but perhaps others will run with the idea.
Remember, A.R. Ammons started writing poetry on board a U.S. destroyer escort in the South Pacific during the World War II...
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Posted by: astralman on Apr 24, 2007 11:22 AM
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Posted by: djnoll on Apr 24, 2007 11:31 AM
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First, someone pointed out that this incident occurred right after the shoots at VA Tech. IN the day after that shooting, 7 universities or colleges around the nation were shut down because of bomb threats, and even VA Tech had been shut down twice for such threats in the preceding month. So, did the ROTC student act unreasonably? All things considered, maybe not.
Second, did racial profiling occur? Probably, but not just by the ROTC student. It was also by the police, the local media, students, and faculty who did not know the professor. It was systemic. That is where the danger is with profiling. It is infectious and often spreads very rapidly in a crowd.
Third, did assistance given to the police by the fellow faculty member help? Absolutely not, on the face of it, but in the end it did help to diffuse the situation. It is why this current state of fear in this nation is so intolerable - panic and fear drive out reason, and in this case made the situation potentially much worse.
We now live in a state where fear dictates so many actions by people who should know better, that it is becoming very dangerous to be human. This professor and his associate were subjected to incredible ignorance and danger from someone who thought he was doing the right thing. No where in the article is any information given about whether the college involved has had any prior bomb threats or scares, but I know because my nephew graduated from there a year ago, that they have had them, just as many other schools have had them over the last several years.
So, the question becomes how do you stop fear and take back your sense of freedom? You take it back by shutting down those who would deprive you of your freedoms. You take it back by becoming active in changing this nation back to a free nation that does not live with constant reminders that we should be afraid. WE take off the blinders that allow us to only see one answer - hate - and we start seeking truth and liberty. Take steps in your communities to educate your children and your family and friends about what this nation should be. You will be surprised at how little they actually know about that subject. Become vocal at city and county government meetings and take back your local governments. Go to your state leaders and demand a better alternative than submission to a corrupt federal government, and then march on Washington to demand from Congress and the White House that they acknowledge that they are there at the will of the people and that the people are still in control. Like Sheryl Crowe to Karl Rove: We are the American People!
http://www.standanddeliveramerica.com
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Posted by: freethink7 on Apr 24, 2007 12:00 PM
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The fed up down trodden masses need to rise up and fight the powers that be if we are to remain a free country. Terrorist Fascist Nazis are governing this country. Time’s running out.
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» Ridiculous assertions - Nazi eugenics? CIA bombs in the World Trade Centers?
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» There were no bombs in the WTC; there were no missles fired at the Pentagon - please.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 24, 2007 12:40 PM
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See also:
Unfathomed Dangers in PATRIOT Act Reauthorization
by Paul Craig Roberts January 24, 2006: A provision in the "PATRIOT Act" creates a new federal police force with the power to violate the Bill of Rights. You might think that this cannot be true, as you have not read about it in newspapers or heard it discussed by talking heads on TV...
The role of the federal government on college universities is also starting to get suspicious: see Spying on the Protesters John S. Friedman September 1, 2005 : Scattered evidence accumulating around the country suggests that the domestic surveillance that occurred during the Vietnam War may be returning, involving a more coordinated federal effort through the National Guard as well as the Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs), teams of state and local police, and federal agents, led by the FBI....
This past November, several days after George W. Bush's election, an FBI agent and plainclothes officers from the Raleigh, North Carolina, police department came to the residence of Brad Goodnight, a 21-year-old student majoring in computer science and psychology at North Carolina State University. He went with them to police headquarters, where he was asked about specific friends, about his role in Campus Greens, Food Not Bombs and other organizations, and whether he recognized photos of people in the audience at a local punk rock concert. His interrogation was apparently related to an earlier protest rally near Republican headquarters, where vandalism had occurred and three people were arrested. Goodnight said he was told, "We have paid informers and treat them well." He was warned that if he didn't agree to cooperate he would face continued scrutiny. He refused. He had not committed any crime, was not charged with any offense and was soon released. Besides interrogating Goodnight, the FBI knocked on dorm-room doors, and campus police increased their presence at peace vigils, all of which "definitely had a chilling effect," said Elena Everett, a recent NCSU graduate and chair of the North Carolina Green Party. "People, especially international students, didn't feel comfortable speaking out anymore."
"Just about every university in the country" has some connection to the JTTFs, according to an FBI spokesman in Texas....
This government is out of control - Gonzales, Cheney and Bush are behind this.
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Posted by: grim ripper on Apr 24, 2007 12:55 PM
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How isolated is this?
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» Not very.. and we already know they use it vindictively....
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Posted by: darcampb on Apr 24, 2007 1:56 PM
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Posted by: drblack on Apr 24, 2007 2:10 PM
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The local cops are extremely consevative,as is the town.
As someone else asked ,why didn't this guy ask the proffessor what he was doing?
Many ROTC guys are gung-ho types who want to" kill them some furaners"
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Apr 24, 2007 2:12 PM
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Hear, hear.
Let's keep in mind the racism cultivated by Washington in a nation torn apart by it. Americans are noted for being particularly racist. With the current bullshit aimed at a fictional "islamofascist" movement, the world looks at the US in real horror.
This is a common story across the US, there are many more. This is important. No less fascistic than rounding up "commies" in the 50s McCarthy Era. The only difference is, the poor fellow in this story was only a few steps from a torture chamber.
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Posted by: The Big Raven on Apr 24, 2007 2:20 PM
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Posted by: drblack on Apr 24, 2007 2:35 PM
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Since 9-11 I have to ask, are Americans cowards? Are My fellow Americans gullible and superstitious?
Life is dangerous and death is inevitable. Fear will prevent a life from being led to its fullest.
Courage and rational thinking are required for a free and democratic society.
To those who are fearful...buck up: Remember FDRs words.
America's greatness comes from courage and knowledge.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 24, 2007 2:40 PM
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No, this is NOT s scientific study - just something I noticed.
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Posted by: texshelters on Apr 24, 2007 3:01 PM
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Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming on Apr 24, 2007 4:11 PM
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Thank you for sharing it. I hope we're all brave enough to look in the mirror and be honest with ourselves about how we might have reacted.
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Posted by: Ullern on Apr 24, 2007 5:06 PM
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Point is, domination-techniques do work. And the group in power will always have access to most techniques of domination, by having the power to define what's acceptable and not.
That's why formalizing equal and transparent standards for all is so important. Domination-techniques only work when they're not named by their real names. A ROTC-guy not being called and checked on his real motives, conscious or not, is not called by the real name of his actions.
ROTC's real name is Rumpelstiltskin. If you do not name it by its true name, they'll take away your first-born baby and make it into one of their own. Just like in the scary fairy-tale by the Grimm brothers. That’s the grim(m) truth.
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Posted by: davidg on Apr 24, 2007 6:55 PM
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Posted by: ateo on Apr 24, 2007 11:22 PM
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How many tragedies could be averted if citizens would become concerned and report suspicious activities to the proper authorities? Instead we sit idly by and do nothing, thinking, "it's none of my business."
The ROTC man will be in Iraq one day leading the children of the poor, the ones we all sent there, in battle. It is good that he hone his observational skills now while he's in a relatively safe environment.
But, people like you, the liberal college educated children of the middle class, don't want to hear anything about that. After all, it's not you or yours that are fighting and dying in Iraq - it's the poor kids from rural American and the officers who couldn't afford college through any other means but ROTC and a commitment to the military.
Hypocrites living in isolated middle class bubble communities that exist through no effort of your own, that's what you are.
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Posted by: Patrick Murfin on Apr 25, 2007 5:20 AM
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In an era when almost no one reads poetry anymore, I guess building readership by any means is worth it. Just think of all those mystified local cops. Or—better yet—some techno-spooks in a warehouse-like building some where near Langley, pouring over those discarded manuscripts, using the most sophisticated soft ware and cryptographic technology to de-code the secrets there-in!
On the other hand, pity that poor professor, not just because he was profiled for his alien duskiness, but because he is so poorly paid that he must supplement his income by judging poetry contests. If he has enough discarded doggerel to dispose of by the carton, he must be employed by one of the vanity publishers that lures eager, but incompetent, amateur poets to submit their work. Few get the prize, most will get an offer to include their work in some pricey anthology—for a fee.
But, hey, maybe those poems can still be put to good use for national security! Ship ‘em to Guantanamo, I say. Give them to the most hardened terrorists. Make them read them 14 hours a day at gun point. They will be turning in their grandmothers and their goats in no time!
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Posted by: champi on Apr 25, 2007 7:36 PM
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This isn't new, this country has been in this circumstance time and time again (Alien and Sedition Act of 1794, anyone?) - only the target changes. The question is, when will we, the rational and thoughtful ones, learn to counter these actions other than grumbling to each other about how wrong it is?
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Posted by: weber on Apr 26, 2007 6:26 AM
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Erich Fromm's "Escape From Freedom" might help understanding the nature of the boy's behaviour and the paranoia of present society.
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Posted by: memerot on Apr 26, 2007 9:04 AM
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Then it was indeed quite dangerous. Dear god if I ever have to read another college poet I will gouge out my eyes.
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 26, 2007 1:41 PM
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Ship-State U's rather "Presidential" response, and the PA State Trooper's response. Ah, brings back memories of the good ole days growin' up in North Eastern PA where the ave. PA State trooper had a GED, if he was the cream of his crop, and fur'ners were from Jersey and to be shot on sight. Where the trooper's motto was everyone in the "public" was a suspec' n' guilty if'n ah say so. And, having attended a fine PA State University, the oh-so familiar waft of everything is fine, there is no racism here, only Xtian charity and love abound... you have a friend in Pennsylvania. Man, I am soooo glad I escaped that PA cult when I did. Now I have to deal with SoCal imports from Chicago and Indiana who are hell bent on saving us liberal lefties from our dammed pink selves and they're taking up all our water. At least they still let us read poetry and recycle it curbside. Hey prof, come on out here, we won't pay you jack but there're enough of us fur'ners to help you blend in.
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Posted by: moofie on Apr 26, 2007 10:39 PM
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Boston is contagious.
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Posted by: carlon on Apr 28, 2007 1:55 AM
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What does that make you?
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Posted by: disgusted on Apr 24, 2007 3:20 AM
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He was once a settler who cut down and burned the forest of New England because he was afraid of the wildlife. He was once a trader who passed out smallpox blankets to the Indians. Then later a buffalo hunter who decimated entire herds and left them to rot on the plains. His grandfather herded Japanese into camps, his father was at MyLai. His brothers are at Abu Graib and Gitmo. Where will he be tommorrow?
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 24, 2007 4:41 AM
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That ROTC kid sounds like a total dork.
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Posted by: Hedda on Apr 24, 2007 4:45 AM
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My point being, I have seen first hand how people with dark skin are viewed and it is very sad. They are viewed by many as suspect....ask any black american, they understandwhat it means to be profiled, and now people from other countries with dark skin are presumed a terrorist first ....only to be watched until proven to be innocent. kinda bass akwards huh. but, sadly seems to be an American tradition.
One thing I don't understand is ....... why do some white people tan ? Then treat people with dark skin different? Are they jealous that they have to work for a tan? I dunno, I just don't get it.
I also was telling another friend I went to school about what happened to my neighbor and how I saw it as racial profiling.... you know what he said to me? Keep in mind he is a black man (actually brown, anyways...) he said, "I dunno, If I had to fly and I saw one of them turban heads getting on the plane, ummm ........... I think I'll be driving".
Go figure.
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Posted by: luther6 on Apr 24, 2007 4:52 AM
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Posted by: katz22br on Apr 24, 2007 5:16 AM
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A country where, decades after a supposed "integration", most neighborhoods are still pretty much segregated and where the heritage/color of one's skin still elicits different treatment from law enforcement and the justice system, is certainly fertile soil for the roots of this fear and distrust, us vs. them, mentality.
Although is tempting (and easy) to peg all ills on the current administration, that kind of behavior is neither new nor unexpected in the US. Power plays and interests morphed from time to time, but all non-WASP got (and still get) their time as scapegoat-du-jour: Native, Black, Chinese, Irish, Italian, Jew, Japanese, Catholic, Latino, and now Middle-Eastern, just to name a few. Along with the scapegoating goes the profiling, which is little more than prejudice and stereotypes made legal.
And back we go to segregation, since prejudice and stereotypes go hand in hand with ignorance of what the "other" is really about, and that kind of ignorance can only survive in isolation. If you live in a totally homogeneous neighborhood, is easy to believe whatever is said about those strangers living on the other side of the tracks. You don't see their day-to-day lives, their happy and sad moments, your kids don't play with their kids. All you know about them is whatever is told to you by government and media.
Divide and conquer, as always. Dubya didn't have to work too hard on that one.
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Posted by: luther6 on Apr 24, 2007 5:33 AM
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If there had been anything in the box that they could have called bomb making materials, both of those people would have been arrested. Possibly released later, but maybe tried and even convicted. I always love the expression on the poor idiot's face when he/she realizes that yes, the jury is buying the ridiculous "evidence" and convicting them.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Apr 24, 2007 5:36 AM
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The tragedy is that in this country, where we have a wide variety of ethnic groups, indicents such as these will happen.. It is an insult to those involved but it appears unavoidable.
I'd rather insult the person than take a chance of having hundreds killed by a bomb!
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Posted by: Hedda on Apr 24, 2007 6:08 AM
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After the shootings at Virginia Tech there were dozens (maybe hundreds?) of threats made on other campuses around the country. People at other colleges realized that this could happen anywhere, even their school.
SO what if the ROTC student wasn't judging the box of poetry based on the color of the persons skin dropping it off, but his fear came from a different place.... like the V-teck shootings.
In that case was he just exercising his concience "better safe than sorry?"
Food for thought!
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 24, 2007 6:26 AM
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Yes, we should be protected from real terrorism... but this sort of paranoia and idiocy IS NOT PROTECTING US!!!!
So now terrorists around the world know.. you want to create panic in Boston? You don't need explosives... just a fucking litebrite or two. When we panic over something like this, we dramatically lower what people who actually want to do harm to our people have to do to create panic.
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Apr 24, 2007 6:47 AM
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Where was Alter-Net for Steven Jones?
Professor Kevin Barrett was continually harrassed by Republican officials who demanded his firing from a University of Wisconsin. Barrett had high ratings as a teacher, why did they try to fire him? Barrett was "outside the classroom" fighting for 9/11 truth. Barrett was even physically attacked.
Where was Alter-Net for Kevin Barrett?
Educators all over the US and Canada have been attacked and threatened with dismissal for demanding the truth about the lies we've been fed about 9/11, which have been used to strip our civil liberties and stage bloody wars for oil.
Where was Alter-Net?
Alter-net is nausiatingly "select" about what freedom they defend. It is time to demand Alter-Net stop shilling for the government's lies about 9/11, and act like a REAL ALTERNATIVE NEWS SOURCE.
Had enough? Demand Alter-Net support the efforts of brave professors fighting for 9/11 truth. See:
Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice:
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and google "9/11 Mysteries" to learn why these heroic professors deserve attention, not attacks, from Alter-Net and alternative media.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 24, 2007 7:39 AM
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That's what happens when a corrupt and incompetent commander-in-chief uses fear-mongering to lead the United State during wartime instead of traditional patriotic values, such as shared sacrifice. The end result: a nation of quivering sheep.
My fifth great-grandfather, John Scott, a Vermont farmer who fought British Redcoats in 1776, has to be turning in his grave -– 10,000 rpm minimum.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption. AlterNet readers who object to my NON-PROFIT campaign to expose President Bush as a lying crook can email me through the website rather than comment here.
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Posted by: kiel on Apr 24, 2007 9:01 AM
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Man, the idiocy just keeps growing....
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Posted by: Fojie on Apr 24, 2007 9:28 AM
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The ROTC student should be suspended for calling in a fake bomb threat.
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Posted by: z on Apr 24, 2007 10:29 AM
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"We have nothing to fear but fear itself......"
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on Apr 24, 2007 10:30 AM
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I'd milk it for all it was worth if I had the skill set, but perhaps others will run with the idea.
Remember, A.R. Ammons started writing poetry on board a U.S. destroyer escort in the South Pacific during the World War II...
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Posted by: astralman on Apr 24, 2007 11:22 AM
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Posted by: djnoll on Apr 24, 2007 11:31 AM
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First, someone pointed out that this incident occurred right after the shoots at VA Tech. IN the day after that shooting, 7 universities or colleges around the nation were shut down because of bomb threats, and even VA Tech had been shut down twice for such threats in the preceding month. So, did the ROTC student act unreasonably? All things considered, maybe not.
Second, did racial profiling occur? Probably, but not just by the ROTC student. It was also by the police, the local media, students, and faculty who did not know the professor. It was systemic. That is where the danger is with profiling. It is infectious and often spreads very rapidly in a crowd.
Third, did assistance given to the police by the fellow faculty member help? Absolutely not, on the face of it, but in the end it did help to diffuse the situation. It is why this current state of fear in this nation is so intolerable - panic and fear drive out reason, and in this case made the situation potentially much worse.
We now live in a state where fear dictates so many actions by people who should know better, that it is becoming very dangerous to be human. This professor and his associate were subjected to incredible ignorance and danger from someone who thought he was doing the right thing. No where in the article is any information given about whether the college involved has had any prior bomb threats or scares, but I know because my nephew graduated from there a year ago, that they have had them, just as many other schools have had them over the last several years.
So, the question becomes how do you stop fear and take back your sense of freedom? You take it back by shutting down those who would deprive you of your freedoms. You take it back by becoming active in changing this nation back to a free nation that does not live with constant reminders that we should be afraid. WE take off the blinders that allow us to only see one answer - hate - and we start seeking truth and liberty. Take steps in your communities to educate your children and your family and friends about what this nation should be. You will be surprised at how little they actually know about that subject. Become vocal at city and county government meetings and take back your local governments. Go to your state leaders and demand a better alternative than submission to a corrupt federal government, and then march on Washington to demand from Congress and the White House that they acknowledge that they are there at the will of the people and that the people are still in control. Like Sheryl Crowe to Karl Rove: We are the American People!
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Posted by: freethink7 on Apr 24, 2007 12:00 PM
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The fed up down trodden masses need to rise up and fight the powers that be if we are to remain a free country. Terrorist Fascist Nazis are governing this country. Time’s running out.
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» Ridiculous assertions - Nazi eugenics? CIA bombs in the World Trade Centers?
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» There were no bombs in the WTC; there were no missles fired at the Pentagon - please.
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» Let me guess: Vince Foster was murdered by World Government agents.. right?
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 24, 2007 12:40 PM
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See also:
Unfathomed Dangers in PATRIOT Act Reauthorization
by Paul Craig Roberts January 24, 2006: A provision in the "PATRIOT Act" creates a new federal police force with the power to violate the Bill of Rights. You might think that this cannot be true, as you have not read about it in newspapers or heard it discussed by talking heads on TV...
The role of the federal government on college universities is also starting to get suspicious: see Spying on the Protesters John S. Friedman September 1, 2005 : Scattered evidence accumulating around the country suggests that the domestic surveillance that occurred during the Vietnam War may be returning, involving a more coordinated federal effort through the National Guard as well as the Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs), teams of state and local police, and federal agents, led by the FBI....
This past November, several days after George W. Bush's election, an FBI agent and plainclothes officers from the Raleigh, North Carolina, police department came to the residence of Brad Goodnight, a 21-year-old student majoring in computer science and psychology at North Carolina State University. He went with them to police headquarters, where he was asked about specific friends, about his role in Campus Greens, Food Not Bombs and other organizations, and whether he recognized photos of people in the audience at a local punk rock concert. His interrogation was apparently related to an earlier protest rally near Republican headquarters, where vandalism had occurred and three people were arrested. Goodnight said he was told, "We have paid informers and treat them well." He was warned that if he didn't agree to cooperate he would face continued scrutiny. He refused. He had not committed any crime, was not charged with any offense and was soon released. Besides interrogating Goodnight, the FBI knocked on dorm-room doors, and campus police increased their presence at peace vigils, all of which "definitely had a chilling effect," said Elena Everett, a recent NCSU graduate and chair of the North Carolina Green Party. "People, especially international students, didn't feel comfortable speaking out anymore."
"Just about every university in the country" has some connection to the JTTFs, according to an FBI spokesman in Texas....
This government is out of control - Gonzales, Cheney and Bush are behind this.
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Posted by: grim ripper on Apr 24, 2007 12:55 PM
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How isolated is this?
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» Not very.. and we already know they use it vindictively....
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Posted by: darcampb on Apr 24, 2007 1:56 PM
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Posted by: drblack on Apr 24, 2007 2:10 PM
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The local cops are extremely consevative,as is the town.
As someone else asked ,why didn't this guy ask the proffessor what he was doing?
Many ROTC guys are gung-ho types who want to" kill them some furaners"
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Apr 24, 2007 2:12 PM
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Hear, hear.
Let's keep in mind the racism cultivated by Washington in a nation torn apart by it. Americans are noted for being particularly racist. With the current bullshit aimed at a fictional "islamofascist" movement, the world looks at the US in real horror.
This is a common story across the US, there are many more. This is important. No less fascistic than rounding up "commies" in the 50s McCarthy Era. The only difference is, the poor fellow in this story was only a few steps from a torture chamber.
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Posted by: The Big Raven on Apr 24, 2007 2:20 PM
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Posted by: drblack on Apr 24, 2007 2:35 PM
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Since 9-11 I have to ask, are Americans cowards? Are My fellow Americans gullible and superstitious?
Life is dangerous and death is inevitable. Fear will prevent a life from being led to its fullest.
Courage and rational thinking are required for a free and democratic society.
To those who are fearful...buck up: Remember FDRs words.
America's greatness comes from courage and knowledge.
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» Are they afraid? Yes
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 24, 2007 2:40 PM
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No, this is NOT s scientific study - just something I noticed.
Ian
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Posted by: texshelters on Apr 24, 2007 3:01 PM
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Tex Shelters
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Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming on Apr 24, 2007 4:11 PM
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Thank you for sharing it. I hope we're all brave enough to look in the mirror and be honest with ourselves about how we might have reacted.
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Posted by: Ullern on Apr 24, 2007 5:06 PM
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Point is, domination-techniques do work. And the group in power will always have access to most techniques of domination, by having the power to define what's acceptable and not.
That's why formalizing equal and transparent standards for all is so important. Domination-techniques only work when they're not named by their real names. A ROTC-guy not being called and checked on his real motives, conscious or not, is not called by the real name of his actions.
ROTC's real name is Rumpelstiltskin. If you do not name it by its true name, they'll take away your first-born baby and make it into one of their own. Just like in the scary fairy-tale by the Grimm brothers. That’s the grim(m) truth.
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Posted by: davidg on Apr 24, 2007 6:55 PM
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Posted by: ateo on Apr 24, 2007 11:22 PM
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How many tragedies could be averted if citizens would become concerned and report suspicious activities to the proper authorities? Instead we sit idly by and do nothing, thinking, "it's none of my business."
The ROTC man will be in Iraq one day leading the children of the poor, the ones we all sent there, in battle. It is good that he hone his observational skills now while he's in a relatively safe environment.
But, people like you, the liberal college educated children of the middle class, don't want to hear anything about that. After all, it's not you or yours that are fighting and dying in Iraq - it's the poor kids from rural American and the officers who couldn't afford college through any other means but ROTC and a commitment to the military.
Hypocrites living in isolated middle class bubble communities that exist through no effort of your own, that's what you are.
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Posted by: Patrick Murfin on Apr 25, 2007 5:20 AM
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In an era when almost no one reads poetry anymore, I guess building readership by any means is worth it. Just think of all those mystified local cops. Or—better yet—some techno-spooks in a warehouse-like building some where near Langley, pouring over those discarded manuscripts, using the most sophisticated soft ware and cryptographic technology to de-code the secrets there-in!
On the other hand, pity that poor professor, not just because he was profiled for his alien duskiness, but because he is so poorly paid that he must supplement his income by judging poetry contests. If he has enough discarded doggerel to dispose of by the carton, he must be employed by one of the vanity publishers that lures eager, but incompetent, amateur poets to submit their work. Few get the prize, most will get an offer to include their work in some pricey anthology—for a fee.
But, hey, maybe those poems can still be put to good use for national security! Ship ‘em to Guantanamo, I say. Give them to the most hardened terrorists. Make them read them 14 hours a day at gun point. They will be turning in their grandmothers and their goats in no time!
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Posted by: champi on Apr 25, 2007 7:36 PM
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This isn't new, this country has been in this circumstance time and time again (Alien and Sedition Act of 1794, anyone?) - only the target changes. The question is, when will we, the rational and thoughtful ones, learn to counter these actions other than grumbling to each other about how wrong it is?
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Posted by: weber on Apr 26, 2007 6:26 AM
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Erich Fromm's "Escape From Freedom" might help understanding the nature of the boy's behaviour and the paranoia of present society.
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Posted by: memerot on Apr 26, 2007 9:04 AM
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Then it was indeed quite dangerous. Dear god if I ever have to read another college poet I will gouge out my eyes.
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 26, 2007 1:41 PM
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Ship-State U's rather "Presidential" response, and the PA State Trooper's response. Ah, brings back memories of the good ole days growin' up in North Eastern PA where the ave. PA State trooper had a GED, if he was the cream of his crop, and fur'ners were from Jersey and to be shot on sight. Where the trooper's motto was everyone in the "public" was a suspec' n' guilty if'n ah say so. And, having attended a fine PA State University, the oh-so familiar waft of everything is fine, there is no racism here, only Xtian charity and love abound... you have a friend in Pennsylvania. Man, I am soooo glad I escaped that PA cult when I did. Now I have to deal with SoCal imports from Chicago and Indiana who are hell bent on saving us liberal lefties from our dammed pink selves and they're taking up all our water. At least they still let us read poetry and recycle it curbside. Hey prof, come on out here, we won't pay you jack but there're enough of us fur'ners to help you blend in.
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Posted by: moofie on Apr 26, 2007 10:39 PM
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Boston is contagious.
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Posted by: carlon on Apr 28, 2007 1:55 AM
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What does that make you?
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