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Why Are Americans Afraid of Being Naked?

By Dara Colwell, AlterNet. Posted April 19, 2007.


In the Netherlands people can be naked in their gardens, the beach and recently the gym. But in America, even chocolate sculptures can't be without clothes. What gives?

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When Catholic protesters recently shut down a New York exhibit displaying a naked, life-sized Jesus sculpted from chocolate, the outcry wasn't totally unexpected. Labeled offensive by critics, the artwork touched an angry nerve by pushing religion and nudity -- two substances that historically don't mix -- into the limelight. While the media was quick to exploit the story, it also expressed surprising modesty when it came to the naked Christ, avoiding the full frontal and opting for photos of the Lord's backside.

But in Europe, and particularly the Netherlands, where bakeries display anatomically correct marzipan nudes in their front windows right next to chocolate bunnies and chicks, such furor over confectionary draws a complete blank. On this side of the Atlantic, when it comes to nudity, Europeans happily assert they've got absolutely nothing to hide.

"The Netherlands is a liberal country where public nakedness is allowed, and that's the way it should be -- that's why there's a law for it," says Ragna Verwer of the Dutch Naturist Federation (NFN), a 70,000-member-strong organization established to expand naturist activities.

According to Verwer, 1.9 million Dutch regularly get nude, going to nude beaches or stripping down in their own gardens, though she estimates the numbers are much higher as NFN doesn't include sauna-goers in its research. "Naked recreation is well accepted here. But we have to take care that things stay this way, which is why we often discuss these matters with local city councils and recreation areas to create more places."

Legally, in Netherlands people are allowed to be naked anywhere except public roads or when they annoy others, a law in play since 1986. It is not uncommon to find nude swimming sessions at public swimming pools, nude or topless beaches. Recently, Fitworld, a gym in Heteren in the eastern Netherlands, introduced Naked Sunday, offering locals the opportunity for bare workouts. This quickly proved a popular idea -- at least with journalists, photographers and television crews, who easily outnumbered participants on the opening day.

"I've done interviews with people from Russia, Ireland, Canada, Australia, America and Turkey," says Fitworld's owner, Patrick de Man, who says Naked Sunday was in part a competitive response to other gyms offering pole dancing courses, but also a response to a request from two of his naturist clients. De Man says the amount of attention he received both from home and abroad was surprising because "being naked is absolutely normal here," though admittedly, bare bench presses were totally new to Holland. But the owner has also received complaints from locals, mostly about sanitation, and at least one member wrote on the club's website that he was switching gyms.

"A lot people from the church have sent me letters about God and stuff like that. But I tell them God was the first man of naturism. He and Adam and Eve were all naked on Earth," says de Man, taking the criticism rather pragmatically. True -- at least until the couple donned their first fig leaves, provoking centuries of subsequent debate.

"Nudity is definitely not shocking or even arousing," says Mandy Servais, a customer at Amsterdam's Sauna Deco, in a robe wrapped loosely around her body, which for all intents and purposes, was naked, as Dutch saunas are visited in the buff. Says Servais, who has frequented saunas since she was a teen, "I think as a society we're very simple and take a practical approach to sex and nudity. We think that everything that exists is normal so there's no need to make a fuss. We're not really occupied with what others think."

Verwer mirrors Servais' response. "I think the Dutch believe let everyone have their dignity and do what they enjoy most. This isn't just how we think about naked recreation, the same goes for gays --everyone's accepted," she says.

While the Dutch seem to accept that underneath their clothing everyone's naked, the same laissez-faire attitude doesn't apply in the States, where the public has been schooled in the cultural ideology that "nude is naughty," and nudity is regarded as sexual.

Perhaps much of this attitude can be chalked down to America's cultural forefathers, the Puritans, whose deeply religious moral zeal made them fear nudity so much they refused to bathe, ensuring a future of national prudishness.

This might appear a huge contradiction given the American media's rampant appetite for sex, but how else to explain the fury over Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" and the network's rush to cleanup before facing clampdowns and stiff fines? Or PBS's need to position the disclaimer "For mature audiences only" when broadcasting footage of Michelangelo's David.

A further inconsistency when it comes to nudity is what Americans regard as risqué: barely clad Victoria Secret models strutting their way across television or nude grandmothers? As Dove soap found out this March, it's the latter. The Federal Communications Commission, which regulates America's broadcast media, banned a series of prime-time ads depicting six middle-aged women posing nude for Dove Proage products, claiming it was inappropriate, though the ads ran successfully in Europe and Canada.

Ironically, Dove's parent company is the Anglo-Dutch giant Unilever. While a number of pro-family and women's groups complained the ad contributed to the further commercial sexualization of women -- an ongoing and valid debate -- clearly, older nudity is threatening because our culture rarely separates nakedness from sex, which is something the elder crowd, at least until Viagra, wasn't supposed to be having.

On a similar note, in 2004 Wal-Mart, never one to balk at profits, refused to sell Jon Stewart's book "America," which featured doctored nude photos of Supreme Court judges. Old, saggy bodies were simply too offensive compared to, say, the number of slasher films Wal-Mart also carries.

Of the Dove Proage ads, says Claire Taylor, who works in international advertising, including projects with Ogilvy & Mather, the company responsible for the Dove ad campaign, "If the ad featured 20-year olds, there'd be no problem. It's so hypocritical."

Taylor, an American who has lived in Amsterdam for the last 25 years, thinks the negative reaction stateside is due to "puritanical prudishness," which doesn't balk at violence or soft porn on television, yet is offended by older nudity. "Now seeing older bodies -- that's reality TV if you want reality," Taylor quips.

Another, perhaps sobering, reality: America has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in the industrialized world, according to the American Association of Pediatrics, and a rate that exceeds the Dutch by nine-fold. A healthy attitude to nudity as well as sex, something the Dutch are regaled for, might have a positive impact as more exposure typically leads to greater information.

Still, in America, being naked remains complex. Because our associations are often limited to porn, hippy naturalists, or the $400 million a year nude recreation industry, nudity is either seen as sexual or a gimmick. Take journalistic "undercover" exposes -- a choice phrase, given the situation -- on nudists at play ("Just look at those guys playing tennis!").

Or the media's buzz over photographer Spencer Tunick and his nude landscapes. Tunick, who specializes in photographing hundreds of naked bodies sprawled together in abstract forms against an urban backdrop, has definitely pushed social boundaries at home. But in Amsterdam, where Tunick is due this summer, it's a different story -- or no story. "Is it a big deal that's everyone's naked when everyone's naked?" asks Servais.

In Europe, then, clearly neither moral outrage nor public disorder greets nudity. Men don't go wild, women remain safe and the zero fashion statement remains just that, something with zero impact.

Taylor, who has fully adapted to Dutch ways, has taken her American sisters to the sauna when they visit and watched their transition from shock to comfort. "They're both overweight, so at first they were horrified. But one of my sisters quickly got used to being naked and it felt natural. When you see that other people are flabby and kind of falling apart, it's OK," she says, laughing. "Listen, you got to check out each other's parts, but seeing the Cesearean scars, fat rolls, cellulite, eczema and aging bodies of the over 50s crowd puts it all in perspective -- you realize how absolutely unique a gorgeous naked body is. Americans might associate nudity with eroticism but here, it's only associated with nakedness," she says.

But there is a glimmer of hope. Sometimes nudity can be a useful, positive statement, even in the States. Like the World Naked Bike Ride, a sort of "Critical Ass" of cyclists organized to protest car culture, promote sustainability practices and celebrate creative expression. Organized by Conrad Schmidt, a South African living in Vancouver, British Columbia, the international event is clothing optional.

"It's a way of challenging the stifling conformity we get here in Vancouver and North America, and certainly nudity laws challenge a system that needs shaking up," says Schmidt, who has been surprised how trouble-free the rides have been on a whole, though in America, Chicago tried to shut the event down and Los Angeles, never a hotbed of community activism, boasted a larger police-to-participant ratio.

"In Portland, people are always riding naked these days, but what's strange is they're apparently harassed more by the police when they're clothed," he says. "Nudity is tough for law enforcement because it involves the concept of indecent exposure. There's no good definition of what's indecent about the human body."

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Dara Colwell is a freelance writer based in Amsterdam.

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I thought it was funny
Posted by: White middleclass male on Apr 19, 2007 1:30 AM   
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that Americans complained about children seeing Janet Jackson's nipple as they were watching 300 lbs men cream each other

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These Americans are crazy...
Posted by: Catherine Martell on Apr 19, 2007 2:49 AM   
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"Or PBS's need to position the disclaimer "For mature audiences only" when broadcasting footage of Michelangelo's David."

Good grief!

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» RE: These Americans are crazy... Posted by: counterpoint
We are animals
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Apr 19, 2007 2:50 AM   
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Being naked removes any possibility of pretending otherwise. The prudes who repress their own sexuality and channel that sublimation into prurient disgust and horror at the sexuality of others must repress others. "I ain't descended from no monkey" they cry, "God made us in his own image 6000 years ago."

Sex is shameful and nasty. Nudity = sex - therefore nudity is shameful and nasty. 100 years ago in this country, a wife who enjoyed sex might well be suspected if infidelity. Sex is still considered shameful even within marriage in some quarters and it hasn't been that long since everything but vaginal intercourse was outright illegal. I myself was taught that sex was only for procreation and that even within marriage sex was to be restricted to exclusively procreative use.

At a high school dance I was approached by a team of penguins (nuns). The girl and I were seperated and individually told that we had been dancing too close and were in a state of mortal sin (If you die before confessing and being forgiven, do not pass go - go directly to hell.) I was astounded; yeah, I had been really turned on, but couldn't quite see how that was such a bad thing. A couple of days later, I went to confession and still incredulous, asked if the nuns had been right. The priest said they were exactly right.

"I am 14 years old," I said "Marriage is impossible for me for seven or eight years at least. Are you telling me that I'm going to hell if I do much more than hold hands for the next seven years?" (If you don't firmly and sincerely resolve not to commit the sin again - which I couldn't imagine doing - then you've made a bad confession. That's also a mortal sin.)

"Yes," he replied, "that is what I'm telling you."

I took a deep breath and broached a subject I had never discussed with any adult. "What about masturbation?"

"That's also a mortal sin," he replied.

Suddenly it all became clear to me. "You are crazy as hell," I said, then I got up (you kneel in confession) and walked out.

That was the day I stopped being Catholic and started deprogramming myself.

What does all this have to do with the subject at hand? Only a certain kind of religious fanatic believes that natural is evil and sinful. Obviously civilized behavior requires reasonable restraint of our animal nature, but the lust to regulate the harmless behavior of others is the hallmark of the religious fanatic.

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So where can I see the naked Jesus???
Posted by: kgs1947 on Apr 19, 2007 3:23 AM   
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We cow-two to prudes in this country! If people...bakers, candlestick makers and so on...wouldn't collapse before the sex-negative perpetrators, we might makes some advances in this country about accepting our sexual natures. We probably would not have so many porn sites either.

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» RE: So where can I see the naked Jesus??? Posted by: littlemanintheboat
On the other hand...
Posted by: ro5b on Apr 19, 2007 3:44 AM   
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...I kind of like it that nudity and eroticism are so intertwined here. I don't think I'd really like it if I didn't get turned on by the sight of a naked female body.

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No freedom for you....
Posted by: digitalfrenzy on Apr 19, 2007 4:13 AM   
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The sad fact is that in the country of continous titilation, and selling of sex, the people in charge are sexually repressed uptight religious white people. The fact that disclaimers on PBS are shown bolster the ignorance and pettiness of a politically correct farce gone too far. America is one of the least free places I have lived, and its sad to see so many people think that the USA is the blueprint to freedom. You are all deluded. Go back to your Nascar, eat your burger, and go shopping. That is your freedom. You are free to consume...that is all. The thought process in the US is at least 5 years behind Europe, and that is your downfall. The Fall of Rome part 2 is happening, and Americans are blissfully ignorant to the fact that their country is falling apart. The fact that Bush is still in the Whitehouse and not in jail with Cheney illustrates how apathetic you all are. People dont hate America because of your freedom, they hate you because you are too bloody lazy and stupid to appreciate what you have. Oh that and the governments penchant for invading countries that have oil and/or brown people. THE EXPERIMENT IS FAILING. Only 231 years to go from completely free, to completely screwed. Good job.

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I don't know...
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 19, 2007 4:19 AM   
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If people are rude and inconsiderate with their cell phones, how will they be with public nakedness? Think about it for a moment, but only for a moment.

Maybe this works in Scandanavian countries where everyone is beautiful, blond, shy and reserved...and it's too cold to be naked for most of the year. Americans are loud, boisterous, obnoxious, obese, and much more...Are you sure you want to add naked to that list?

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I would like to see Amercian women protest.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Apr 19, 2007 4:52 AM   
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The high price of womens' clothing should be protested by a day of "Clothes Off."

Millions of nude and naked women walking around in protest may do something to bring the price of womens clothing back to market competition.

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» Watch the media and the men. Posted by: SayBlade
Carie
Posted by: Taraerin on Apr 19, 2007 5:00 AM   
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"Another, perhaps sobering, reality: America has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in the industrialized world, according to the American Association of Pediatrics, and a rate that exceeds the Dutch by nine-fold. A healthy attitude to nudity as well as sex, something the Dutch are regaled for, might have a positive impact as more exposure typically leads to greater information."

As stated in this article above this is quite true. Europeans have a healthier image of what human sexuality is. It is not the act of having sex. Human sexuality encompasses your own being, your whole life.
Siecus.org reflects these highlights for comprehensive sexuality education:
Sexuality is a natural and healthy part of living.

All persons are sexual.

Sexuality includes physical, ethical, social, spiritual, psychological, and emotional dimensions.

Every person has dignity and self-worth.

Young people should view themselves as unique and worthwhile individuals within the context of their cultural heritage.

Individuals express their sexuality in varied ways.

Parents should be the primary sexuality educators of their children.

Families provide their children's first education about sexuality.

Families share their values about sexuality with their children.

In a pluralistic society, people should respect and accept the diversity of values and beliefs about sexuality that exist in a community.

Sexual relationships should never be coercive or exploitative.

All children should be loved and cared for.

All sexual decisions have effects or consequences.

All persons have the right and the obligation to make responsible sexual choices.

Individuals, families, and society benefit when children are able to discuss sexuality with their parents and/or other trusted adults.

Young people develop their values about sexuality as part of becoming adults.

Young people explore their sexuality as a natural process of achieving sexual maturity.

Premature involvement in sexual behaviors poses risks.

Abstaining from sexual intercourse is the most effective method of preventing pregnancy and STD/HIV.

Young people who are involved in sexual relationships need access to information about health-care services.

Too often people like some of the religious right have their own perversions of sex and construe things out of cartoons. In my own opinion they have a sexual dysfunction issue.
Abstinence only education is on the chopping block now because we know it does not work. In Europe they don't have problems with high ratios of teen pregnancy, STD's etc. because they have a healthy idea of what human sexuality it. It is the US that is profoundly messed up.

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» Amen Posted by: hbw
Bodily Repression can Lead to Dysfunction
Posted by: Seyazou on Apr 19, 2007 5:05 AM   
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The hypocrisy in this country regarding nudity and sexuality is vexing. For all the sanctimonious outrage that was produced by Janet Jackson's exposed nipple, or the naked chocolate Jesus, we as a country produce the great majority of the world's hardcore pornography. We are titillated by blurred and pixilated body parts on any of Jerry Springer's on-stage fights, we pump hundreds of millions into movie studio coffers to be teased by young women and men in highly revealing clothes; yet never completely nude; and of course there's the gratuitous violence.

I believe centuries of Puritanical ethic regarding sex and nudity have poisoned American society. That we have so many pedophiles, rapists, etc., I believe is a side effect of sexual and bodily expression. Associating nudity with sexuality is not entirely a bad thing, nor is it to be unexpected, but associating ANY nudity with sexuality can lead to perversion; even more so in a society obsessed with youth - and especially sexualizing youth; which may explain in part a lot of child molesters.

My girlfriend is from New Jersey, but spent several years living in Amsterdam where the local culture certainly rubbed off on her. Nudity is not shunned in her household (she has 3 kids) and when her and I are alone, spending the day together, we go around in the nude; a first for me because I was initially self conscious about it, but soon got used to it. My own attitudes about nudity have changed, though I was never a prude anyway.

While I believe attitudes towards nudity in this country will not change anytime soon (as long as the religious right - itself a hot bed of sexual and mental dysfunction - retains a grip on much of middle America), it would do us good to de-mystify the human body, desexualize it and see it for what it is - God's creation through millions of years of evolution and environmental adaptation, and nothing at all to be ashamed of.

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» It is perfectly possible... Posted by: D_comp
Sexual repression
Posted by: Wish on Apr 19, 2007 5:18 AM   
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Why is it that it's always those "religious" zealots (and I use the term 'religious' loosely, cause it has nothing to do with some faith) who loathe nudity, sexuality, sex etc?
They deny their very being, as we ARE sexual beings.
If "god" has created us, he did so with sexuality in mind. Thus, these lunatics are actually rejecting the very "god" they say they so proudly defend (as if an almight "god" needs any defending by puny humans...).
These people are só sexually repressed.
And mind you, it's not just the socalled 'christians'.

But okay, if they want to live a limited, repressed joyless life, so be it. But nooooo, they want everybody else to live a neutered life also.
Read the definition of 'sect'. It almost all applies for these big 'organized religions'.

'Shame' is something big and defines everything in your life; defines all the things you think (and the mind only looks for trouble and problems). Of yourself AND of others.
Take judgements for instance: Jesus didn't judge, but 'religious' people do nothing but judge. Again, they defy the one they call their savior. Talking about sin...
To learn what all your shame is, and free yourself from that shame, let's you live freely, interact freely, connect. Let's you live in harmony with others.

Why is it that 'religious' people are amongst the most aggresive and violent people? What do you think (sexual) repression does?
Is it any wonder the USA is such a violent nation? With so much hate, hypocrisy, etc etc?
Repression let's all the feelings and emotions fester, boil. And it has to go somewhere. Sexual repression is part of it.

BVreak free from those deceitful religions, and start believing in yourself, in humanity, in nature, in this world, in life itself. All your repressions and fake believes, you give your children. Your children are traumatized right away from birth.
But well, I guess you want your children to become the very self-righteous tightasses like you are, not?

Holland is not the worst place to live in.

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Freedom
Posted by: mizipi on Apr 19, 2007 6:07 AM   
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In the USA, one is free to do .............well almost anything, if that includes getting a low-paying job at Walmart or McD's. One is free to nit-pick the Bible for sin (e.g. abortion is a sin, though Jesus never condemned abortion, but he condemned divorce and I don't hear no steenkin' TV preachers bitchin' 'bout D-I-V-O-R-C-E). Like the article stated, almost naked models can advertise underwear on TV, good Republicans can talk about ED (as a 9 year old girl asks her mama, "What is erectile dysfunction?"), blow-jobs are a reason for impeachment, though lying about others and starting a war that cost billion$ each month.....
We Americans live in the most sinful, prudish nation in the world (even the Bible says "the love of money is the root of all evil" as every politico talks about economic development). So let's all "git nekkid and smoke a joint" to celebrate our FREEDOM!!!!!!!

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Maybe it's not all about sex
Posted by: mwildfire on Apr 19, 2007 6:31 AM   
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Most of this is because we equate nudity with sexual come-on, but could it be that another reason Americans are so uptight about nudity is the other thing it symbolizes...honesty and openness? Seems to me a deep dishonesty is at the crux of this nation's character. We love to punish "criminals" because we project our own sins onto them, and imagine that if we punish them hard enough, we can free ourselves of guilt. Every time there's a serial killer in the news--right now for example--there is a society-wide orgy of hand-wringing emotionalism, and virtually nobody admits how much we all get off on the whole thing. As a society, we avert our eyes from the implications of the fact that we're using at least a quarter of the whole world's resources; oil is starting to run low; and our supposed leader has suddenly decided on thin evidence that we must establish bases all over the oil-rich countries, eliminate their leaders, and slaughter millions of their people.
Naked? Hell, we can't even go downtown in a full set of clothes--we have to have a Humvee to armor us against the world...

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» RE: Maybe it's not all about sex Posted by: MartianBachelor
The History of Sex---TOTALLY CENSORED on cable TV
Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 19, 2007 6:35 AM   
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About a year ago--it was either HBO or the History Channel that aired a program called "The History of Sex--Uncensored". The promos ballyhooed it as such. And indeed it was a very scholarly and fascinating documentary on the attitudes towards sex from ancient Egypt through Roman times down to modern history.

While the narrative content was unsurpassed, the visual part was virtually incomprehensible. There were so many floating blobs during the sequences depicting ancient Roman sexual art, for example, as to make it almost impossible to follow what the narrator was describing.

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Claire Taylor hit the nail on the head
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Apr 19, 2007 7:17 AM   
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And I think this ties into yesterday's article pretty well too. If we were exposed to more naked people of all ages, then women wouldn't be so obsessed with their bodies. As it is today, you generally dont see a naked (or nearly naked) female unless she's really hot.

I want to lose my lunch thinking about millions of exposed fat rolls... we're so far gone that we're pretty much forced to remained clothed out of decency. Honestly I think seeing a really fat naked body is worse than seeing an old naked body.

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A good argument for not going to Europe
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Apr 19, 2007 7:39 AM   
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Yecch. Please keep your clothes on, and don't sit on anything if you're naked. I'm not religious & am gay - call me a repressed American if you want.

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Who cares about being naked when our kids are dying in Iraq?
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 19, 2007 8:13 AM   
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New rule for AlterNet: There should be one topic per day about Iraq -- ranging from brain trauma caused by roadside bombs and the medical care returning GIs aren’t getting, to the corrupt military-industrial complex and war profiteering by Republican neocons.

In the past five days, AlterNet has posted 30 articles for comment and just one pertained to Iraq (“Chomsky and Zinn on Patriotism in America”). So who runs AlterNet’s editorial board anyway -– Karl Rove?

Here’s a suggestion. Each day, rather than publish an article about Iraq, post a question for discussion -- such as “Should GIs be patrolling Baghdad?”

Hugh E. Scott, disgusted Vietnam veteran and the editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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Only in America
Posted by: willymack on Apr 19, 2007 8:25 AM   
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Would car manufacturers make a car with a vinyl roof covering or phony convertable top, and only here would there be enough rubes to actually BUY anything that tacky. Why is anyone surprized that a few twisted minds can convince so many people here that sex, or anything that reminds one of sex, is naughty, immoral, or abnormal? We've been set up practically since day one to accept the word of various charlatans as the TRUTH, and therefore the WAY.

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Posted by: CriminallySane on Apr 19, 2007 8:38 AM   
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What this country needs is a good enema.

(I can't take sole for that, I do forget who said it first...)

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THE INSANITY OF "SAFETY THROUGH FEAR"
Posted by: jethro on Apr 19, 2007 9:05 AM   
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For those "WHO'VE EARS TO SEE AND EYES TO HEAR".For a spiritual aspect: "THE POWER OF MYTH"(I recommend the two dvd set (Bill Moyers interviewing creator Joseph Cambell over last two summers of his life at George Lucas's Skywalker Ranch) you'll want to watch it over and over!) , THE POWER OF NOW! by ECKHART TOLLE. For a profound look at how people actually become physically addicted to the emotions they experience most often(for a lot of people that emotion is "FEAR")look for the movie (best chance of finding it at web site!)"WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW"!!

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Why Are Americans Afraid of Being Naked?
Posted by: pfm on Apr 19, 2007 9:41 AM   
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Being naked in private or public, oh my God, my mother would have a heart attack. It’s sinful, shameful, to think of the lustful ideas which will be visited upon those who view such nudity. I have often wondered why in America we have such a twisted view of nudity. We pay to see it on the stage shows along Las Vegas’ mega casinos. We promote it with our topless bars. We support it with our attachment to the “porn” pervasive on the internet. But we can’t openly discuss it. We prefer it would seem to support that which is camouflaged, concealed, hidden or disguised. We are afraid to be seen for who and what we are. Is it any surprise then, that “we” are afraid in the face of nudity…?

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Nine times outta ten...
Posted by: Habaro on Apr 19, 2007 9:39 AM   
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...the people who like to strut around naked are the oblivious mutant slobs you don't wanna look at anyways. So, until our Imperial, FDA-approved corporate diet and lifestyle puts on its new clothes, I'm down with the current consensus on nudity. Besides, last time I checked, "wrong" was pop-culture's latest code word for "hot". And isn't everything about hotness these days? So let's keep nudity wrong.
On the plus side though, public nudity may help slow down our reproductive rates and food consumption considering we'll all lose our appetites for both sex and food. I guess I don't know quite what to think, but one thing's for sure: I don't want to be bombarded by saggy boobs, smelly asses, fat rolls, and hairy turtle-dicks in my daily travels. Maybe its an acquired taste, though...

Sorry if I offended any gross people--and no, I don't think I'm perfect.

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Nude Is Good
Posted by: hbw on Apr 19, 2007 10:52 AM   
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Just as more than 50 million American adults have used marijuana and have no problem with it, a larger percentage of the population than you might think has been naked in the great outdoors, or even in public places. But it is still not truly accepted here. Women who appear naked are "sluts," men are "perverts."

Even worse, there are so many males here who feel their manhood threatened in the presence of a naked man. The tyranny of the majority is even more tragic because it stems from a deeply ingrained societal neurosis, ('scuze teh Big Words).

I see public nudity as a political expression, like the Baring Witness project. My screen name hbw stands for Houston Bare Witness. I envision a nation that does not fear the human body, especially when that body is less than ideal.

I'm encouraged by the current crop of young Americans, especially Burners, who seem to understand the meaning of the word "freedom" a lot better than even the Boomers with their hippie baggage. They understand that an exposed penis is not a dangerous weapon, that nudity is natural and not necessarily sexual, but indeed that nature itself is sexual and there's nothing wrong with it. The Burners, like their recent ancestors, may "grow up" and look back on their 20s with horror, but I sure hope not.

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Do
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Apr 19, 2007 11:06 AM   
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you really want to see helen thomas naked?

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Well, quickly...
Posted by: vangogh69 on Apr 19, 2007 11:37 AM   
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There's a whole host of reasons why America has the sexual reputation it does, many of which are beyond the scope of my comments here. I will say, however, that we can thank the founders of this country who were to a large degree Puritanical individualist missionarians in their thinking and who, unfortunately, were our forefathers.

Everything in the US is sexualized, except god forbid, sex itself! Only here do we make a big deal out of a pop star's nipple (something we all have, let's get over ourselves please!) while not making a big deal about how the athlete's at the Superbowl make more in a season than some teachers do in a lifetime! The religious right: kiss my ass! Your brand of hypocricy and self-denial is almost as offensive as your desire to make everyone else as miserable as you are!

As someone who has lived outside of the US and been among people who didn't have the same hangups about nudity as US citizens, I can say that yes, not everyone has the perfect body, but on the whole, they seemed to be more comfortable in their own skin than here (in the US). Also, they were in much better shape. Perhaps if everyone stripped down more often then they'd care more about their physiques and we wouldn't have such an alarming rate of obesity. We'd do well, IMHO, to demystify the human body a bit more!

I get so disgusted thinking that we still have this sex/nudity issue when it's the 21st century. Some are acting like we're still in the dark ages! Fuck! Please.

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Another reason why Vermont rules!
Posted by: tweedster on Apr 19, 2007 12:02 PM   
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It's getting warmer out and soon enough their shall be nude frolicking and happy naked times in downtown Brattleboro! Come on down to Harmony Parking Lot!!!

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Europeans are no better than Americans
Posted by: astralman on Apr 19, 2007 12:39 PM   
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these comments are pretty much in the realm of "they do things better in Europe," which is a trend that dates back to the age of Thomas Jefferson and tends to cover areas as disperate as architecture, sex, and religion. Europe is full of problems especially with regards to religion and immigration. Think about the trouble in France w/ muslim women who wear hijaab. Or in the Netherlands and Belgium, they are also having much difficulty with immigrants, language, and religion beliefs. It's tough to call freedom the ability to walk around naked as much as it's called freedom to buy burger king vs. mcdonalds. the truth is none of this is freedom. Freedom comes from liberating one's mind from bullshit on both sides of the atlantic and any other land mass.

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Is this really about "sexual" repression? Come on...
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Apr 19, 2007 12:58 PM   
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Why be so worried about what the Europeans think - why is that always the standard? Check back a few years from now after their Muslims have taken over the place and see how tolerant they are of nudity then!

I thought the choco-Jesus was kind of funny, but I'll grant that JC didn't habitually run around naked & has never traditionally been depicted naked (or chocolate). The artist intended to shock, and then pretended to be annoyed when people were shocked. Typical artist! Come to think of it, King David probably didn't run around naked either.

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An Interesting Perspective
Posted by: aussidawg on Apr 19, 2007 1:21 PM   
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I am currently living with my mother-in-law due to the fact that I have a broken leg (thanks to an inattentive fool behind the wheel of a pickup that felt that checking out the status of the floorboard of his truck was more important that looking out of his windshield to see where he was going and as a result broadsided me on my motorcycle, thus crushing my right leg) and live in an upstairs apartment, which untill recently I couldn't access. Well, as it turns out, mom in law is an evangelical Christian (hard core at that). One day, the discussion turned to " these kids these days" and how scantily they dress (low rider jeans, short shorts, tube or tank tops, bikinis with thong bottoms (which of course I see absolutely nothing wrong with;-). Her comments were interesting to say the least. She was talking about how UGLY our bodies are, and explaining that the reason God taught and instructed us to make and wear clothing was so we could cover up these ugly, fleshy bodies and thus avoid imposing lusty temptation on others that don't wish to see such vugar displays. Her viewpoint is that we are creatures of lust and live for the flesh and things of this world, rather than the lord, his blessings and as such, and that it is a sin to show your body in public. The interesting twist is, she has always stated that we were created by God in his own image. Does this mean she is saying God is ugly in the buff? Does God wear clothes? Where does he shop? What styles does he prefer? I guess my assumption would be he is a rather conservative dresser. What do you think?

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It's really quite simple
Posted by: janten on Apr 19, 2007 1:43 PM   
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It's really quite simple. We have a lot to hide. What we have to hide is all on the inside, but we can't hide that so we hide the outside instead.

It's called persona - the false mask(s) we wear to try to convince others (and ourselves) of who we are, or think we are, or think we'd like to be, or think they might want us to be. As such, the mask(s) we hide behind are an expression of who we are ... confused people who don't know who we are.

But even with all this hiding going on, we really can't hide from ourselves, so we distract ourselves from ourselves instead. We fill our lives with stuff, much of which is really part of our persona - part of what we are trying to hide behind. Trouble is, our behinds our still showing, so we need more distraction, most of which we find by giving our selves to the entertainment industry (very broad description here, which includes the news industry).

Because we're always hiding from and avoiding ourselves, we don't stand a chance of ever finding out who we really are, so we don't ever feel like we really know who we are, so we keep hiding our real selves and only showing (off) our false selves.

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Generally the USA is a sick society.
Posted by: Frenchman on Apr 19, 2007 1:46 PM   
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You have to live with Americans for a while. Individually they tend to be nice friendly people. As a society they have a lot of hang-ups. Depending where in the US you are you find these hang-ups vary. More south you go the more religious and bigoted they become. In places like Texas I found a majority of people to be fat and un-sophisticated and totally lacked worldly insight. Generally Americans are very insular in their interests and knowledge of the rest of the world and only understand and get to know only their immediate and narrow geographical location. Most Americans could not tell you the capitals of most European countries. As a society they are very selfish and mean people who would at the drop of a hat advocate using their military might to get their own way. American society generally has no respect for the rest of mankind. Once you strip away the social facade you find it a very corrupted society that has sold its sold to the highest bidder, Corporate America. In their twisted way its OK to kill dark skinned foreigners by the thousands in Iraq, Afghanistan with impunity but if you call a negro a black or call them niggers you will create superficial and artificial moral frenzy. It’s a society that will accept 30,000 people being killed every year by guns yet will howl with indignation at seeing a female’s breast. You go recon figure A very dangerous nation because to day its the greatest threat to world piece.

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Sex vs Violence and Nudity
Posted by: craftne on Apr 19, 2007 1:50 PM   
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Culture, smulture, any culture can adapt.

We could find in the next 10 years we've changed over to the metric system. It's much easier anyway. On to topic

Americans treat sex like it's something evil, yet video games, movies and television show hardcore violence, and that's okay. I'd much rather see certain types of porn be commonplace in America, and I'm female.

I'll never understand that killing, maiming and blowing people up is fine, but a couple getting steamy is reprehensible.

Fine, some porn degrades women, but that is our CURRENT culture. Let's adapt to a violence-free, sex- and nudity-happy culture. Perhaps that would GREATLY reduce our stress and ire, eh? Not to mention changing sex from perversion to a healthy emotional state of mind.

Happiness! Wow, what a concept.

What say you?

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» RE: Sex vs Violence and Nudity Posted by: Einherjar
Heaven forbid
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 19, 2007 4:19 PM   
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That there should be naked people and swearing on the tv!

Hell - that might encourage people to get nude and rude!
And we all know how many deaths THAT would cause.

No, no, MUCH better, safer and healthier to just have ultra violence on the tv. That, combined with mass gun ownership, is SURE to encourage people to be nice to each other...

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The more naked average people around, the less corporations can sell
Posted by: xbj on Apr 19, 2007 5:11 PM   
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It works like this. For people that can't handle porn or don't want it in their life, corporations provide subliminal and overt highly sexualized advertising to sell those repressed people tons of useless crap they don't need but buy anyway because of natural sex drives that have been driven into the subconscious and sublimated into mass consumerism. And people that can handle porn and have made it a part of their life are just gravy when they buy the useless crap as well.

The more average naked people around, the less erotic value the human body retains to be used by corporate America to sell useless crap.

More naked people also hurts the porn industry, which pays a LOT of taxes and has a very powerful lobby.

So that's why America is KEPT so puritanical; it's about commerce and the economy and keeping consumerism and capitalism just buzzing right along.

And they learned it from the Church. Prior to the reformation and for a time afterward, all art was restricted to religious themes. Which explains all the naked religious pics from that time (and why there aren't any today beyond attention-geting jokes like chocolate anatomically complete "statues" of Jesus.) Religious art was the porn of its time, using sex to sell religion. Which people of that time never connected because it the mix of the two was so depraved and unthinkable. Which is why it sold so very well.

Corporate America just took over where the Church left off. Today there are few taboos that still work to imbed advertising deep in the sexual mind, but there can be no doubt that after the crackdown on pedophilia in advertising in the 80's, we've finally moved on to bestiality (the Carls' Jr. milkshake ad with the hick "shaking" the cow while doing some very interesting pelvic thrust "dance" moves immediately and hilariously springs to mind.)

Will America EVER grow up when it comes to sex and accept nudity AND cultivate a realistic attitude towards sex the way the Europeans have? Not if corporate America has anything to say about it.

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American attitudes towards nudity is slowly maturing
Posted by: tcotta on Apr 19, 2007 6:02 PM   
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My wife and I own a nudist resort called The Terra Cotta Inn in Palm Springs, CA. http://sunnyfun.com We are very familiar with American attitudes toward nudity. In my opinion, many Americans are slowly maturing and becoming more like the Europeans in accepting nudity as no big deal.

People forget that many of our forefathers liked to skinny dip like George Washington, James Madison, and other presidents. Bejamin Frankin used to take "air baths" in the outdoors while nude, as he felt it was healthy. (And it is as the sun on bare skin produces vitamin D which promotes strong bones, muscles, and is found to help ward off cancer, MS and other diseases. Just don't over do it and burn.)

A survey back in the late 70's showed 16% of Americans had skinny dipped in mixed company. Last year a Roper poll showed it had increased to 25%.

What is stopping Americans from having a European attitude towards nude sunbathing and nudity? I feel it is Madison Avenue, the fashion industry, and the Hollywood and TV industries.

In America, sex sells. If we make the nude human body be considered naughty, then showing some skin in ads or on TV or in the movies, businesses will sell more product or get more viewers.

The fashion industry wants women to especially feel insecure about their bodies. Women are bombarded with the message, that unless you wear these clothes, use these cosmetics, or do this diet, then you will be undesireable and will never be able to get or hold a man.

Because many Americans don't know how to properly treat the naked human body, we have the highest teenage pregnancy rate and eating disorder rates in the industrialized world.

However, owning our nudist resort, we have found more and more "first timers" are saying enough with Madison Avenue saying nudity is naughty. That is why as Forbes Magazine reports, nude vacationing is the fastest growing trend in the travel industry.

America has a long way to go before it catches up to Europe in body acceptance, but we are slowly making progress.

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Americans are true perverts. We sexualize everything.
Posted by: humanity101 on Apr 19, 2007 6:38 PM   
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Americans are too crazy about sex. Everything has to do with sex. Sex has been fantasized and sensationalized by the corporate media and the church. There is even a big debate about whether or not a mother can breast-feed her child in a public place even with cover. This country is too obsessed with sex.

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As We Are
Posted by: Sparks56 on Apr 20, 2007 3:13 AM   
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Being naked means accepting who you are. Being naked in public means exhibiting who you really are. It also means others accepting you for who you are. Americans have never been very good at those things. Our puritan forebearers absolutely despised the natural human being. Every moment of every day was spent repressing every instinct and urge. If you worked and were miserable, then maybe you had an even chance of going to heaven. Children weren't allowed to play!
We live with that ethos now. The puritans are alive and well in the fundamentalists.
I remember the saunas of Amsterdam in the early 70's. Myself, my girlfriend, and her two children were regulars at the nude beaches in Northern California for years.
It's too bad America can't accept and celebrate people for who they are. They miss the best parts of life.

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» RE: As We Are Posted by: Logic's Edge
The Law in USA would not allow nudity in public.
Posted by: fakir005 on Apr 20, 2007 12:27 PM   
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In europe nudity is allowed. In USA a person would get a ticket. But in many places in USA nudity is allowed on beaches. You'll see a few topless women on beaches. But they have sagging breasts and flabby tummies. If a woman is going to remove her clothes in public she has to take care of her body. One way to take care of the body is to have it massaged with oil head to toe (front and back). If a woman would desire to be massaged I'd offer her my massaging services. I can be reached at fakir005@aim.com (please state "Oil Massaging" in the subject line)

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» oil massaging? Posted by: Ames
Interesting conversation!
Posted by: NeilDeal on Apr 20, 2007 12:53 PM   
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Yea it really makes you think. I stayed next to a nude resort down in Mexico last year. The beach is federally owned so we just happened to take a walk past there. It wasn't a swinger's orgy or anything.

It seems that people want to be able to comfortably chill somewhere in the buff. Sadly for Americans, they have to leave the country to be naked because they don't want to be spotted by anyone they know.

I almost feel naught writing about this. Damn Puritans!

Not to get too far off topic, but maybe there would be less violence in our country if we dropped this prudish, repressive behavior?

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» You might be on to something there Posted by: xconservative
Centuries of religious legislation
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 20, 2007 1:19 PM   
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for one thing. Even non-religious types get ruffled by nudity. I knew a gal down south who wanted to go out to the hard to reach, federal part of Padre Island and "shoot those whores waving their teats around right in the boobs where it'll hurt with a BB gun." She says she isn't a Christian. Once when I was younger, I was sunbathing in my back yard when I jeard a scream. Next thing I knew the cops were at my front door. The five foot tall neighbor (female) had stood on a box to see over the six and a lahf foot fence, called the cops and told them I was lying around outside naked! I almost got nailed for public indecency!

Ian

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Centuries of religious legislation
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 20, 2007 1:21 PM   
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for one thing. Even non-religious types get ruffled by nudity. I knew a gal down south who wanted to go out to the hard to reach, federal part of Padre Island and "shoot those whores waving their teats around right in the boobs where it'll hurt with a BB gun." She says she isn't a Christian. Once when I was younger, I was sunbathing in my back yard when I heard a scream. Next thing I knew the cops were at my front door. The five foot tall neighbor (female) had stood on a box to see over the six and a half foot fence, called the cops and told them I was lying around outside naked! I almost got nailed for public indecency!

Sadly, this is typical in the US.

Ian

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I meant to add...
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 20, 2007 1:26 PM   
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... that it's typical religious "logic": teach kids about sex, it might lead to sex; allow nudity, it might lead to sex; show naked people on TV, it might lead to sex. Etc.

They're scared to death of sex; always have been. They'd rather be convicted of murder, and of 'fornication'.

Ian

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» RE: I meant to add... Posted by: Ian MacLeod
Answer to why are americans afraid to be naked?
Posted by: Mags on Apr 20, 2007 5:16 PM   
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Because they're big, fat and ugly..............

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I am very sad by many of your comments.
Posted by: actorguy1 on Apr 20, 2007 7:55 PM   
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I read through almost all of the (162 at the time I posted) comments and some are great, but many are very discouraging. I was most shocked by the comments by people saying things like "Fat people naked would make me vomit" or "All those fat rolls... disgusting".

You really are no better than the oppressors of this country.

I appreciate a well toned body. I myself, former military, have often been in prime shape and health. I also have been out of shape and sadly, ashamed of my body.

Several years ago I decided that I needed to do something I never thought I would do. (Every so often I feel to comfortable in my own skin and try experience something I was always afraid to do) I thought about a nude beach. There is one near my home and so off I went.

It was very uncomfortable at first. I knew NO one. Yet soon, I realized that no one there was outwardly judging me or anyone else. They were there to feel the complete and total freedom from society's constraints. I recommend it. The more you hate nudity or the more you think it is wrong, disgusting or sinful, is the more you should try it once or twice yourself. You might be surprised at how unthreatening it really is. So what if some people are not "pretty" by your standards. That says more about you than those folks.

Your comments of "ewww fat people naked" "gross" "ick" really shows your own immature and childish attitudes. What is it that you must cover up in yourself by belittling others?

I love this country but boy, do we need a full on, no holds barred attitude adjustment. Life is just too short and precious to go around grumbling about things you either don't understand or are too repressed yourself to explore.

I personally think ALL people are beautiful. We are all human after all and that truly is the most attractive thing in my mind.

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Long live the Dutch!!!
Posted by: helgerry on Apr 21, 2007 2:41 AM   
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Coming from the US (living now in the NL with a Dutch wife), I was very apprehensive about going to a sauna here for the first time, since I was warned that everybody (men and women) would be walking around naked.
I started thinking" Oh my God! What if I have an erection at the sight of a nude sexy young blonde next to me?" How embarrassing would that be! So I made sure I had my towel always close by just in case. But it all went fine and I even had a brief conversation with a nice looking woman without any embarrassing erection :) It was a truly relaxed atmosphere, everybody minding their own business...
Now going to saunas is one of my favorite things and I can't imagine having to wear a swimsuit in a sauna. How uncivilized this would be? Long live the Dutch!!!

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ExPat
Posted by: Closets on Apr 21, 2007 9:40 AM   
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Mainstream USA culture is hypocritical on so many levels I don't know where to begin. That's why I immigrated to Miami. We even have a Dade County sanctions nude beach here. I still visit the US to visit family but after a few days I feel the narrow minds closing in on me. closets

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mr
Posted by: jnobud on Apr 22, 2007 2:50 PM   
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nice show of the problem. Now how about a solution or two.

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Nudity is Porn
Posted by: Androgyne on Apr 22, 2007 6:58 PM   
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In America, nudity is considered porn. On TV no anterior or posterior displays are permitted. They have to be fuzzed out.

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RODNOX
Posted by: RODNOX on Apr 22, 2007 9:49 PM   
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AMERICA HAS TURNED INTO THE PEOPLE THE PILGRIMS RAN AWAY FROM------

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Protecting the product
Posted by: rbentley on Apr 23, 2007 11:08 AM   
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If nudity were as common here as it is elsewhere, it would erode the value of the pervasive soft porn approach to product marketing utilized by mainstream corporate America. It's like with anything else in the USA: just follow the money.

Good ol' USA, Inc.

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» RE: Protecting the product Posted by: richholland
Why Americans?
Posted by: runner on Apr 23, 2007 1:20 PM   
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I find it curious that Americans are singled out as excessively concerned about nudity. It seems to me that there is no greater acceptance of public nudity in societies such as China or India, or a host of Latin American countries. Perhaps it's the Europeans who are out of step. And particularly so with the newest residents. I'd suggest that the growing Muslim segment of the Netherlands is not supportive of the views expressed in the article. Or does being nude under a burka count?

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There is a Biblical prohibition against looking on another's nakedness
Posted by: RDVSR on Apr 25, 2007 4:56 AM   
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Perhaps many are not aware that the Bible has a prohibition against looking on the nakedness of another, and many conservative Christians consider it in making their decision..including me. I found it quite difficult in school, and in the army to be naked with others of the same sex, and at age 76 still do. That was in my "upbringing". I don't know how many "outsiders" know of this.

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If God had meant us to go naked, we'd've been born with no clothes.
Posted by: Ullern on Apr 26, 2007 10:46 AM   
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If God had meant us to go naked when possible, humans would have been born with no clothes on...

The US fear of nakedness reflects the denial of our natural state, favoring a manifactured cultural state. This artificial, cultural state is then manipulated for shopping fads and other kinds of unreal superficiality. Hysterical artificial moral attitudes are easy to create, when references to underlying reality are denied. Literally, symbolically or metaphorically.

Had US citizens on the whole not been unfamiliar with, afraid of and in denial of the naked truth as public facts, the Iraq war could never have happened. So it goes.

Ole Ullern

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Naked in Amsterdam
Posted by: richholland on Apr 26, 2007 10:59 PM   
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born in Amsterdam in 1943 I remember Fridayevenings BATHday
.warm water from the pan on the stove
children first after washing sitting near the fire. boys and girls
washing the lame neighbour man
washing old relatives, living with 6 people in 2 rooms.
A very protestant school, schoolswimming to undress all boys one room, all girls in another room no separete cabins.
rubbing the backs of relatives.
At 14 year I was shy about my nude and fat aunt.
So morallity and technology are friends.

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It's sex not nudity that's really the issue
Posted by: sculptor on Apr 27, 2007 12:07 AM   
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It's not that Americans have a a problem with nudity per say. It's that they
have been convinced that sex is shameful. That this is an easy thing to do
is well known to all the religious demagogs that feed on shame and guilt.
Whenever any Americans seem to temporarily rid themselves of the guilt these
demagogs see this as an opportunity to get their evil hooks into the minds of
these innocents. I can only call them innocents" because they seem to be
incapable of seeing this manipulation for what it is.

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