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In Aftermath of Va. Shooting, Ethnic Groups Prayed, 'Let It Be Some Other Asian'

By Andrew Lam, New America Media. Posted April 18, 2007.


As the country waited to learn the identity of the killer at Virginia Tech, Asian Americans held their breath, waiting to see if they would shoulder the spillover of blame for the acts of an individual.

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All across America, no doubt, non-Korean Asian-Americans are now heaving a sigh of relief. "Asian," after all, was the four-alarm-fire word we saw throughout the day after the shootings that took the lives of 33 people at Virginia Tech. The shooter was "Asian," the news reports said. But who was this "Asian" exactly?

Before the news identified the killer as Cho Seung-hui, a 23-year-old English major from South Korea, all ethnic backgrounds were up for grabs. A friend from a small college town on the East Coast, who is Chinese, called to say: "Please, please let it be some other Asian. We'll be in deep if it's Chinese."

In a popular Vietnamese chatroom, Vietnamese college students were writing to each other to speculate. One said, "I have a bad feeling. It might be Mi't (Vietnamese slang for Vietnamese)." Others wrote in advising each other on what to do.

The blogosphere buzzed with speculation on the identity of the killer. The waiting game was as tense as waiting to find out who the next American Idol might be. On another blog, debbieschlussel.com, Schlussel speculated that the shooter could be a Muslim Pakistani. "Why am I speculating that the 'Asian' gunman is a Pakistani Muslim? Because law enforcement and the media strangely won't tell us more specifically who the gunman is."

A Muslim Pakistani friend, an engineer who refused to have his name mentioned, emailed me to say, "If he's a Paki and Muslim, we might all just pack up and go home. I'm praying that he is some other Asian."

Let it be some other Asian! This was the prayer among so many Asian-American communities. And not just Asians.

"Every time there's an incident like this, every ethnic group is on pins and needles," said Khalil Abdullah, an African-American colleague. An Anglo shooter may be an individual, a loner, but God forbid if a person of color goes on a shooting rampage. His whole tribe would be implicated. "I still recall my aunts when President Kennedy was assassinated. They were praying that it wasn't a Negro." Many ethnic communities do not feel that they belong to the core of the American fabric, Abdullah added. "The action of an individual can cancel out the good image of an entire group."

Case in point: A Virginia Tech student and Chinese-American blogger was initially thought by many bloggers to be the culprit. He was reputed to have a penchant for guns and many photos of himself posing with his rifles. More than 200,000 people have visited his sites since the shooting and many left angry, racist epithets against Chinese. He told ABC, "Right now, pretty much the Internet thinks it is me. ... I am just interested in trying to clear my name."

As a Vietnamese-American, I have always found the word "Asian" to be too generic to be a useful identifier. Asia is the largest continent with the largest and most diverse population in the world. In Asia, people identify themselves by their national or ethnic origin, not as "Asian."

Yet, in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech massacre, many of us -- including myself -- used the word to refer to any other "Asian" besides us.

In the end it wouldn't have worked for very long. To be a minority in America, even in the 21st century, is to be always on trial. An evil act by one indicts the entire community. Whoever doubts this need only look at the spike in hate crimes against Muslims and South Asian communities after 9/11.

After the shootings, my best friend, a Korean-American lawyer in Washington, D.C., felt in his bones that somehow a Korean was responsible. He didn't know why. But, "one thing's for sure now," he said, "we can safely lay the model minority theme to rest."

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Andrew Lam is a writer and editor with New America Media and author of "Perfume Dreams: Reflections on the Vietnamese Diaspora".

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Posted by: Alec Freeman on Apr 18, 2007 2:02 AM   
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In the midst of this awful event, we still have to deal with this racist nonsense! I am indeed concerned about the physical and emotional welfare of Asian Americans, particularly male Asian American college students, as the aftershocks of this horrible tragedy continue. Moreover, prejudices do not stop with race or ethnicity. I am sure many gay people are breathing sighs of relief, as we learn that the killer stalked female students, indicating plausibility that the murderer was likely heterosexual. I could see the headline in "The New York Post": "Campus Perv Kills 32."

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Weird
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 18, 2007 3:38 AM   
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While the news was unfolding, I pictured an oriental person for some reason. I hadn't really thought that Asian could mean Indian, Pakistani, etc.

Interesting point about the different ethnic groups hoping it wasn't one of "them." If it's a white guy, it must be some psychotic loner. But if it's a Muslim, he must be part of something bigger, and all Muslims will get dragged away, spied on and locked up...all over again.

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Did the murderer's race matter?
Posted by: colinmeister on Apr 18, 2007 3:57 AM   
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What difference does the race of a madman make? Maybe it is just a standard American reaction to try to blame a "Foreigner" for every bad thing that happens, as in "It couldn't be a nice American white boy."

Looking back over the years, it seems like murderers and terrorists come from a number of different backgrounds. Obviously the 9/11 terrorists, if we believe the govermnet, were Sunni Arabs. The second biggest terrorist attack in the USA was carried out by a white boy from Michigan and his white friend. The Columbine bowlers were white boys from Colorado.

"Asian" seems like a very loose term to describe people from the largest continent on earth. I am not up on political correctness, but there have to be more narrow terms to describe people from different parts of Asia.

I was in a conversation with a co-worker a few years ago, and he asked me if I liked "Asian" food. I told him I very much liked Indian food, that I enjoyed Japanese and Thai food, but that I didn't care for Chinese food.

He seemed to be using "Asian" purely to talk about Chinese food, which I found bizarre, since business like "Ming's take-away" always describe their cuisine as "Chinese".

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» RE: Did the murderer's race matter? Posted by: xconservative
» Well, it's better than "Caucasian". Posted by: colinmeister
Everybody xcept WASPs....
Posted by: Zemiti on Apr 18, 2007 4:01 AM   
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Sure, seems there is one Anglo-Saxon (Caucasian) group on one side in America, with the rest being all the other ethnic groups (commonly referred to as minorities). This is typical US; history bears this racial (group and class) classification out, this is a legacy which is as much a part of us as bounty hunting is. We have mastered the art of throwing the baby out with the bath water, let alone collective punishment. What a shameless shining example we must be to the world! Yet we wonder where all the hatred and anger comes from?

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Race is not an issue
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Apr 18, 2007 4:05 AM   
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Why is this being raised?

If we have five Asian shooters in a row, then maybe it would deserve a closer look. But it's too obvious that there was no racial motivation here. Just someone beaten down by society and going nuts because of it.

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You mean he didn't listen to Satanic Music...
Posted by: cordas on Apr 18, 2007 4:20 AM   
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Whenever a tragedy like this happens the media likes to whip up a storm around whatever scraps of infomation they can find and starts pointing their collective fingures at whatever minority comes up.

Does it matter if the person is Asian, Black, Listens to Heavy Metal or Gangster Rap, has ginger hair or a 3rd nipple?

The simple answer is yes, as the Media will pick up on that fact and blame that group, politicians will gladly jump on this bandwagon as it gives them credibility (well face time on the tv and in newspapers / magazines). This will be joined by the usual gang of hate mongers who will have a new hate group for a week or 2.

I remember after one such tragedy in the UK one of our tabloid papers created a list of 10 things to know if your neighbour / son / work colleague was about to pull out a gun and start blasting, just about everyone I knew at the time fitted at least 7 out of the 10 criteria, and suprise suprise non of those people have gone on to be murders, and most have never even been in a fight (whether started by themselves or others).

All I can say is ignore the media and if you hear someone you know spouting off rubbish try and calm them down a bit, and point out that this tragedy was commited by one person and not any specific group of people.

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Segregated Nation
Posted by: Urstrly on Apr 18, 2007 5:04 AM   
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Americans who live in primarily white areas are surprisingly ignorant about race. Why bother with the differences between Chinese, Koreans, Indians, etc. when you can cover them all in one "not from around here" label. Stereotypes make it easier for many people to write off people who are different, and you have to wonder what this young man experienced before he went off the deep end. Some things we know for sure—there were two killings last August in Blackburg, there had been recent bomb threats, and police were convinced that the first two killings this week were an "isolated instance." Because, I think, they were sure that mass murders don't happen in predominantly white, quiet communities. Even after Columbine and Oklahoma City, we persist in these notions. Talk about a false stereotype.

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Left at it again!!!
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Apr 18, 2007 5:08 AM   
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Leave it to a liberal to spew divisive racial junk in the wake of such a tragic event.. That local community is pulling together in an incredible fashion and this author is still trying to use it for liberal agenda..

They never cease to amaze me!

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It sounds like the group with the most to fear is "quiet" people.
Posted by: zyxwvut on Apr 18, 2007 5:31 AM   
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Introverts beware! The witch hunt is on.

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Whites have done the most
Posted by: Krain61 on Apr 18, 2007 5:39 AM   
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killings in this country over the years as far as schools and going postal or micky d's or companies.
People have to realize that in this world anyone could be the next nut case. What about that uni bomber guy? White again.
Yes I'm white also. But no I'm not your next nut case.
Look at the Oklahoma bombing..White..most school shooting were almost all white people. leave the Asians alone.

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Would Be Hero.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Apr 18, 2007 5:48 AM   
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If Mr. Hui did this while a member of the US Army in Iraq against the "insurgencies," he would be a hero and given decorations and kudos.

In Iraq, the "innocent" victims would be called "collateral damage."

It is only our prespective which is flawed, huh?

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Look beyond the current event.
Posted by: WorldViewer on Apr 18, 2007 6:01 AM   
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Once again, the power elite uses every opportunity to divide and conquer us through the media. What difference does it make that a mass-murderer is white, black, Korean, Chinese, blue, red or purple? Let’s look beyond the current event and try to understand what makes HUMAN BEINGS do such things. Then perhaps we can find some common ground to solve the terrible mess in which we find ourselves in this world.

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the other backlash may be against atheists
Posted by: counterpoint on Apr 18, 2007 6:14 AM   
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I'm worried the campus massacre in Virginia will somehow be associated with atheism. Today is only the second day after the shooting, and little has been made public. But an AP wire story noted: "A law enforcement official who read Cho's note described it Tuesday as a typed, eight-page rant against rich kids and religion. [...]
Cho indicated in his letter that the end was near and that there was a deed to be done, the official said. He also expressed disappointment in his own religion, and made several references to Christianity, the official said."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9604940

My heartless opinion is that the mere existence of such senseless killings simply say that mental illness and freely available weapons of mass killings (under $600 for a gun and ammo, including tax, what a bargain!) are a recipe for disaster, and that a deity who doesn't give a hoot about innocents is either evil or, more likely, non existent.
But if the killer can be labeled an atheist these more rational arguments will likely be ignored, and some of the rage may get directed against people like me who don't buy into supernatural fairy tales.

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as a muslim american
Posted by: nebgirl on Apr 18, 2007 6:45 AM   
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as a muslim american, whenever a crime makes national headlines i live in fear the perpetrator will be a muslim. i am relieved to know i am not the only one with those feelings. as soon as i heard about the shootings i realized to my shame, that the first and strongest emotion i felt was fear that it would be a muslim who had committed the shootings. the second emotion was sorrow for the victims, they resided uneasily together within me until i learned the identity of the shooter. it makes me angry that i am somehow held accountable for the behavior of complete strangers.

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psychos come in all colors...
Posted by: xenacat on Apr 18, 2007 6:51 AM   
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it is interesting how the media has siezed upon the shooter's race as a distraction. Both conservative and liberal factions have their own spin on this tragic situation and I find that both groups are shifting the focus to issues that are incidential to the actual event. I be very surprised if EVERYONE of Asian descent was on thier knees praying that it wasn't one of their "kind". That is akin to saying that whole state of Texas was holding their collective breath hoping it wasn't another Texan... in other words, ridiculus. The problems here are not so much racial as they are emotional and psychological properties of the young man who comitted this terrible act. Mass murderers are colorless - let's look at the personal factors that caused this young man to be so troubled and act out in such a violent way. Once again, race is the least of the worries here and it is a disservice to the Asian community and the broader culture to narrow the focus so totally to one biological fact about the shooter.

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Black people cringe too when we watch the news
Posted by: cinattra on Apr 18, 2007 6:58 AM   
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I have to agree with the author on this one. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I'm pretty sure older Black Americans still cringe when they're watching the news and particular crimes that have come to be associated with Black Americans are announced on tv.

Now it's all muddled. Murder-suicides used to be the domain of Anglo Americans (no I don't have numbers to back this up only anecdotal observation of watching the news) but now that crime at least in the news occurs across all people groups. Pedophilla and other sex crimes against children is another one that so far seems to be the domain of Anglos mainly probably because they totally out number all other groups. If not now but in the near future I'm sure we will see more Black preachers and maybe teachers among others being caught.

Biology says that we are all the same no matter the color of skin we have. Culture and how we categorize ourselves says different.

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A Different Perspective
Posted by: the islander on Apr 18, 2007 7:07 AM   
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It was an American -- I think he was a marine -- Timothy MacVeigh -- who blew up a child care center. Did we blame the marine corps?

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At least America is starting to talk and think more about race/ethnicity nowadays...
Posted by: Wassermann on Apr 18, 2007 7:09 AM   
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ANY and ALL discussions of race/ethnicity are FULLY welcome in my eyes.

I welcome the discussion; it's a neglected (almost taboo) topic in America, so let us open up the discussion and spread it WIDE. In the past it was openly discussed, but now discussion about race/ethnicity in America has gone mostly 'underground' (or internet-bound).

For instance, in this American democracy where everything is just so 'fair' and 'equal,' there is a tiny but VERY powerful minority (a minority of only about 3% of the U.S. population) that controls more wealth and has more political and economic influence than ALL of the African-Americans AND Hispanics COMBINED, along with a great deal of the European-Americans also living in the United States. So just who is this tiny ethnic minority that wields so much financial and political clout in the USA, often to the detriment of the MAJORITY in this 'great' American DEMOCRACY? Oh, I guess that's a taboo subject too.

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Spreading paranoia instead of outrage.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 18, 2007 7:14 AM   
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Before reading Lam’s article, it never occurred to me that America’s Asian community would be frightened by some kind of backlash from the Virginia shooting, worried that the killer might be native to their original country.

If, in fact, the paranoia exists -- Lam offered no proof -- then all he’s done with his article is spread more fear among U.S. Asians, like President Bush tries to do every day with all Americans.

The next time Lam writes, he should try spreading outrage over the GIs who die daily in Iraq. The rest of the media is certainly not doing it.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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Prescription drugs connected to school shootings
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Apr 18, 2007 7:18 AM   
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It's perhaps too early to comment because the data is still real sketchy, but the only relevant group IMO to which Cho belonged was 'anti-depressant drug user'.

It's barely been mentioned in all the coverage and related chattering, which is understandable and quite predictable considering how much money they get from big pharma. They haven't even reported yet which of these dangerous drugs he's been on. Prozac? Zoloft? Which? When? Maybe the toxicology results haven't been released yet, but somewhere out there there's someone who prescribed these. In the wake of what happened to Anna Nicole just weeks ago you'd think the media would be all over this aspect of the story.

And in spite of him apparently being on these drugs, they're still describing him as being 'depressed'. I thought these drugs were the remedy for this condition.

I'm also confused that the reports talk about the efforts of the English prof who was disturbed enough about his writings to go to some lengths to get him into counseling, but I thought these drugs were only prescribed in conjunction with the involvement of such a 'mental health professional'. At this point the story just doesn't add up.

I'm sorry, but race, ethnicity, cultural background, religion - whatever - seem like very peripheral issues at this point.

Antidepressant drugs may cause aggressive, violent behavior in youth

Prescription drugs are connected to school shootings and other violence, yet more drugs are touted as the solution

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Doubleplus Ungood
Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Apr 18, 2007 7:21 AM   
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"By 2050—earlier, probably—all real knowledge of Oldspeak will have disappeared. The whole literature of the past will have been destroyed. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Byron—they'll exist only in Newspeak versions, not merely changed into something different, but actually contradictory of what they used to be. Even the literature of the Party will change. Even the slogans will change. How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished? The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking—not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness."

Orwell, George (1949). Nineteen Eighty-Four.

according to the author of this article, we all need a stint in room 101 it seems...

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emeritus prof Stuart Fischoff
Posted by: sfischo on Apr 18, 2007 7:44 AM   
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This is not an unexpected reaction by Asians. Most minorities ins imilar situations respond that way. it's so common in fact that eminent psychologist, Gordon Allport, in his classic book The Nature of Prejudice, called it one of the "traits due to victimization." He called this particular reaction one of "collective conscience." Jews are always doing this. Many vowed never to vote for a Jewish candidate for U.S. President because he might screw up and make it really bad for Jews. Clearly the groups that are susceptible vary from country to country as minority status varies. Majorities are individuals while minorities are groups. It's the way of all sociological flesh.

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EXACTLY WHAT 'SIGNS' ARE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 18, 2007 8:01 AM   
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This boy was an accident waiting to happen. One professor took a personal interest in him to no avail. Just because there are no druges or alcohol involved doesn't mean something else might not be wrong. That's where the school should have acted. They have a responsibility to the other students. Not much said of parents. There would be if they were divorced. The school officials didn't want to make waves. I'm sure they have their reasons. Thanks, ANNA

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Believe it!
Posted by: The Populist on Apr 18, 2007 8:01 AM   
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The Plutocrats are loving this. This can be seen as a mini 9/11. More intolerance for "those" people. More security, more survaillance. The Oligarchy has been using violence since 1846 as a part of system of government.

Violence and racism are as American as apple pie. Believe it. And the Plutocrats use these tools to divide the working men and women of this country and the world.

Los Populistos Blog

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So ridiculous
Posted by: ateo on Apr 18, 2007 8:13 AM   
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Every time a white guy goes out and shoots up a building I don't worry about a back lash against white people.

Any Asian person that feared anything from the fact that one person who happened to be of the same national origin as them did something is pretty stupid.

Asians have a lot of positive capital in the U.S. to burn through before anyone starts to question their contributions to society.

Americans are in love with being afraid for no reason, that's the truth of the matter. People love to play the victim role because it gets them attention they would otherwise not have had. You say Asians in America were afraid? I say they were secretly hoping it was one of their brethren because of all the attention, sound bytes, interviews, and ignorant articles like this it would produce. Making them feel special when in reality the odds of someone even calling an Asian an insulting name because of this is somewhere around 0.

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So what's "Asian"?
Posted by: outpost12156 on Apr 18, 2007 8:23 AM   
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One day while I was in a very long winded EEOC 'training' session where it was explained that all people were conviently placed into certain race category boxes, I had the audacity to ask: "So if your from east of the Euphrates, your Asian?" The trainers were not pleased, and I got somewhat taken down a peg or two for making such a glib remark. But really. The word Asian ought to be banned as a descriptive for such a wide group of ethnicities. There are vaste differences between all of the peoples that are generally clumped into this group, and it is just not fair to try to do that. I think this is more of an American trait than otherwise.

And even if he was South Korean, so what? He was a person who evidently had issues and problems that he couldn't work out and either did not seek help or the help was not forthcoming. It could have been anyone. He was one person not a whole of an ethnic group.

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Situation, everything gonna be alright, our Terrorist Dictator brings calm to Virginia Tech.
Posted by: symcokid on Apr 18, 2007 8:56 AM   
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That incident at Virginia Tech would barely be noticed in Iraq, hell, that's an hourly occurence over there that we are helping intensely to exacerbate. Bush should be concentrating on bringing normalcy back to New Orleans and getting out Troops out of Iraq!!!

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Hollywood
Posted by: Skills83 on Apr 18, 2007 9:34 AM   
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That's a very good point. His plays were "twisted" but Hollywood pumps out a "Chainsaw Massacre" practically every three weeks. I've always hated horror movies and gore fests because I think they desensitize the public. I've never understood why people need to PAY MONEY to see that, in spite of the world we live in.

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mental cases at schools are hard to deal with
Posted by: counterpoint on Apr 18, 2007 10:03 AM   
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The reasons have to do with administrative constraints. I've been close to a case of suicide at MIT. There had been ominous signs but since the person who later killed herself was an adult (ie profs and dorm parents could not legally alert the parents) and no 'hard' reasons for expelling or hospitalisation existed nothing could be done exept on a person to person level. There had been several friends and faculty who had tried to reach out to that woman but in the end she killed herself exactly when it seemed like she had improved. Actually, it is quite frequent that depressed people attempt suicide when they are emerging from deep depression and are becoming more active again.

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Not to pick on pop culture, but...
Posted by: vangogh69 on Apr 18, 2007 10:08 AM   
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Didn't Hollywood just release a (propaganda) film called 300, glorifying warfare? Or a few weeks ago, Grindhouse, a trashy flick glorifying violence? How many nukes have gone off on that series "24" already? I mean, culturally speaking, we love violence in the US. Also, we're currently at war with two nations and hear an (admittedly) terrible headline about it everyday (if you check the news). All the while, the survivors of a hurricane are left to rot in trailer parks and the politicians give themselves raises for a job well done. Since when do we value life in this country? Oh, I forgot, when it's in the womb because once it's out, it's all "good luck and get the fuck out."

I only bring this up to point out how, as a society, the US has been inhumane/misanthropic/nihilistic/crushing culturally, socially, physically, and psychologically for years. Only a truly deluded nation could have a leader who speaks of his country (the US) bringing "freedom" to another country while his own has a long record of genocide and slavery which ended not before the UK's, but AFTER! Are we then really surprised that tragedies like this happen with this culture of violence we've nurtured?

Sorry, what was the topic? LOL, my two cents.

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Group Think
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Apr 18, 2007 10:15 AM   
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I admit to group think when I first heard it. Now I always wonder whether this is another government engineered manipulated media event. In this case, thank Godus, it isn't. We are conditioned to displace judgements from individuals to groups. It distracts from individual responsibility, like our own. If taking anti-depressants contributed to the act, how about our support or passive compliance with the money-driven big pharma drug pushers? How many of us as individuals benefit as stockholders, bondholders or just plain savings account holders from big pharma. We have individual responsibility in some degree, no matter how small, if we follow the money. The racist card is seen by the lack of backlash/group think against whites. Was there a group backlash against Timothy MacVeigh or Oswald because they were white? Imagine if they had been non-white, how deeply imbedded in the consciousness that would have been. Look how the government sponsored 911 uses group think to make dark skinned terrorists the enemy. An interesting sidelight to this discussion is the suggestion that groups actually like the attention they get. At first blush, I thought the idea ridiculous but now I believe it may be a half truth. It may also apply to the shooter, who may be used it to call attention to himself, the proverbial cry for help. It is a highly symbolic event, which the media loves for financial benefits, and many of us secretly do too. To the degree we don't resist government sponsored terror such as what is happening in Iraq to fatten shareholders pocketbooks here, we are shooters of innocent people too. The RedBrownBlue party advocates for social justice and individual responsiblity to prevent atrocities whether in Iraq or Virginia. They are quite different but share some disturbing similarities.

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Study group formations/ Social Psychology
Posted by: psychochurch on Apr 18, 2007 10:54 AM   
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The larger problem is how and why we go about forming groups, and how our "group" provides us with identity/purpose/direction, etc...group formations are severe and extremely dangerous but a fact of human life....Once safely secured in your own "in-group", everybody else becomes part of another "out-group".....members of the out-group are typecasted, which is always based on stereotypical thinking (heuristics).....this automatic thinking is used to reduce stress in an information-overloaded-society, and not normally considered racist, even through it always distinguishes itself this way......We must make the study of Social Psychology mandatory in both high school and college...in our diverse society, we all need to be aware of how groups form, and why they end up being destructive......education really is the key!!!!

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