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Imus Is Snoop's Frankenstein Monster

By Earl Ofari Hutchinson, New America Media. Posted April 13, 2007.


Civil rights leaders should protest Snoop Dogg's forthcoming album. Imus demeaned a basketball team but Snoop has demeaned a generation of young blacks.

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Now that Imus is officially out, the question is will Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the civil rights leaders, black professional and women's groups march on say a company such as Koch Records and demand that they pull Snoop Dogg's forthcoming album, The Big Squeeze?

They should, and that means ignoring Snoop's loud protest that he's no Don Imus. He's not, he's worse.

While Imus's "nappy headed hos" slur has been plastered all over creation, the "B" "H," and expletive-laced rant that Snoop unleashed against Imus, has barely got a squint of mention.

His R rated words are so vile they can't be printed in adult company. But here's the gist of what he said. He gave veiled praise to the Rutgers women basketball players as ladies of distinction.

But that's only a ploy. To him, they're the rare exception among black women. Most are Bs and Hs, poor, hood dwelling, rank-losers. In one grotesque sentence in his knock against Imus, Snoop managed to get in all the ancient stereotypes about black women.

Now this is the same Snoop that strolled out of a courtroom moments after copping a no contest plea, being slapped with five years probation and community service on felony drug and firearm charges. He then delivered his self-serving Imus and I "are-two-separate-things" rant.

This is the same Snoop that in the next few weeks will hit the road and promote, The Big Squeeze with such good housekeeping titles as "We Came to Bang Out," "Pop Pop Bang," and "F----in is Good for U."

The album features some Snoop's rap buddies and rivals and gives them a chance to be heard and of course bought. And you can be assured that these rap maestros offer a generous sprinkling of B's and H's and other endearing references to black women.

You can be assured that Snoops's corporate owners will bank millions off it. Unlike the 350,000 MSNBC viewers and the few hundred thousand more CBS radio listeners that cackled with and at Imus's inane trash talk, millions of young and not so young persons will dance to, talk up, and delight in the rapper's skewed descriptions of black women. That talk will be embedded even deeper in the youth and adult lexicon.

Snoop called Imus, and other shock jocks that spew their on-air slurs, tired old white men. Imus paid the price and got canned for it. That wouldn't have happened if civil rights leaders, black professional and women's groups, as well as legions of blacks picketed CBS, threatened sponsor boycotts, and dumped mountains of enraged postings on Internet websites.

Within hours after Imus ladled out his bile against the Rutgers women, my mailbox filled up with these postings demanding his scalp. Yet, I have not received one angry email since Snoop made his B and H dig against Imus.

I haven't heard any outraged calls for Koch Records to pull the album, or threats of a boycott if they don't. I have heard no denunciations from Sharpton, Jackson, the National Association of Black Journalists, and not a peep from women's groups about it and him.

A few years ago the NAACP got called on the carpet for nominating some of the most vile rap women bashers for image awards. The last draw was when the NAACP nominated R. Kelly, who was accused of sex crimes against underage girls.

Though the NAACP voters back peddled fast, and tightened the reins on who got nominations and awards, it set a subtle tone that it's better to ignore gangster rap groups than mount a full court attack on them.

Imus was a different matter. And many blacks have gone through tortured gyrations during the Imus furor to make a Snoop like defense that his offense was different. But Imus on his own would not have slurred the Rutgers women with the pejorative term "nappy headed ho's." He would have demeaned them with something like this, "They're some rough looking broads" or "They're some funny headed chicks."

That would have drawn few squeals. But "nappy headed hos?" That line is beeline straight from the rapper's playbook. The day after Imus was officially canned by MSNBC, the shock jocks that daily feast off on-air bashing and trashing minorities, gays, women, and Muslims, ran wild.

They relentlessly played lyrics from the gangster rappers. This was damage control, and their insidious point was to cancel out the furor over Imus and deflect the finger of guilt for trash talk from them.

In a perverse sense, though, they got it right. Imus paid the price for his bile. On the other hand, Snoop and his buddies simply have upped the price for their records, and profit from them. As long as the outcry from civil rights groups, and blacks remains feeble, scattered, and disjointed, they will continue to jingle the cash registers while self-righteously defying anyone to compare them to Imus.

Imus demeaned a basketball team; Snoop and his pals have demeaned a whole generation of young blacks, and especially young black women, and blacks have let them get away with it. That's why Imus is their Frankenstein.

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Earl Ofari Hutchinson is a political analyst and social issues commentator, and the author of the book, The Emerging Black GOP Majority (Middle Passage Press, September 2006), a hard-hitting look at Bush and the GOP's court of black voters.

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Nudge, nudge...
Posted by: mmeetoilenoir on Apr 13, 2007 12:25 PM   
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It's last straw, not last draw. As in the straw that broke the camel's back...

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» BULL-SHIT... Posted by: psychochurch
haleluja
Posted by: travellerev on Apr 13, 2007 12:37 PM   
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Thank you. I'm a fifty year old middle class white woman living down under and I am gratefull for your article.
I loath the Imusses of this world, but if Snoop can advertise his misogeny with song lirics like, "I'm a bad boy, with a line of hos." then he has no right to expect different treatment than Imus. It's time that black women take a stance and speak up to this kind of lanquage and demand the respect their due.

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» Vanilla Ice, anyone? Posted by: mejsmith
» RE: haleluja Posted by: MartianBachelor
» RE: haleluja Posted by: mizani
It's about power, not justice.
Posted by: aethr on Apr 13, 2007 1:22 PM   
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Your mistake, Mr. Hutchinson, is assuming that this is about discrimination and justice. It's not. Don Imus deserved to be slapped. He didn't deserve to lose his job. Taking his job is how certain black "leaders" demonstrated their power, but far more egregious bigotry is spoken, although with politer language, by other, more powerful white talking heads while these "leaders" do nothing.

Going after Snoop Dogg for his hatred of black women won't gain these leaders any credibility. It won't enhance their stature or power, so they won't do it. Worse than that, they know they won't win in such a battle, and losing will only make them weaker, not more powerful.

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» RE: It's about power, not justice. Posted by: dogwhisperer
Apt analogy?
Posted by: BenjamminH on Apr 13, 2007 2:26 PM   
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I've been comparing this whole thing to what O'Reilly and some conservatives did back in 2003. Since France was not supporting our plan to invade Iraq, many people chose to boycott France. But it was just for show. One diner owner in Jersey even filled a Dom Perignon bottle with ginger ale just to dump it in the gutter. If these guys REALLY wanted to make their point, they might have organized a boycott CHINA campaign; after all they were against our plan as well. BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD.

Same thing today with Rev Sharpton, et al. If they truly want to make a point about remarks that degrade women and people of color, then Imus is small potatoes. But then again, he's also an easy target.

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» RE: Apt analogy? Posted by: bbfmail
So now what?
Posted by: standardschaefer@sbcglobal.net on Apr 13, 2007 2:48 PM   
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I agree with Earl Ofari Hutchinson and commend his courage to say what he does here, but wonder what he might suggest as a general strategy for the Left. I think he correctly sees that much of the appeal of the Republicans during BushJr-time has been their condemnation of excessive "freedoms" in the media-- the sexism and pornography of Hollywood and the music industry. Being against the culture of Snoop, even if veering into racism, being against homosexuality has attracted a movement of people horrified by what they see as moral degradation. But I think the real left, the progressives and radicals, often fail to condemn the excesses of guys like Snoop. The question then is how can the Left develop a languages of moral rejuvenation--thereby attracting new people--without duplicating the hate language of religious right. What will it take for progressives to see the value of fighting in this cultural terrain, and not become complacent because guys like Imus lose a small portion of their income.

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» RE: So now what? Posted by: lamar
» which guy is BS? Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» RE: which guy is BS? Posted by: dmstern
» You got to be fake, man. Posted by: dmstern
» RE: Bye.... :O) Posted by: ekipnrut
» RE: Bye.... :O) Posted by: lamar
» RE: So now what? Posted by: dogwhisperer
» RE: So now what? Posted by: Lesha
» No double standards Posted by: Lesha
I Agree, Imus Even Looks Like Frankenstein
Posted by: hole11 on Apr 13, 2007 3:50 PM   
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The problem is that the basketball team didn't get much of a chance to lash out. There wasn't a open meeting with Imus so we don't know what happened with Frankenstein and the torch bearers.

We heard from the coach and she isn't the team, though she gets paid more than any of the team players probably in their entire four year college term in just one year.

Since it was a closed meeting. They should of listened to him for 10 minutes and accepted or declined his apology and not listened for three hours. Don't they have better things to do?

This whole thing was hijacked by so called black leaders. Snoop and all those other rappers are just as much black leader and role models as Jackson and Sharpton and their pocket book proves it. Their jobs are opposite of Sharpton and Jackson as well. They are not out to appease and say sorry. They are to be hard, hit back and spare no quarter. You cross them and you accept the laws of the jungle. Ask Tupac about it. Wait you can't.

Rap turned society upside down. And it should. No longer do you have to try out for a team or apply to a college. You can rap with your own lingo and sample other peoples music. You bring all your baggage and dead end jobs and all those encounters with your fellow "people" who aren't there to lift you up financially they are competing with you and are just another obstacles. Observe rap vs reverends. Each is his own frankenstein. There will not be any real winners. Only those who are casual observers will feel like they are being the victims or targets of their vitriol. Sinners or saviors it's all on the same coin.

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» Rap Vs Sermon Posted by: hole11
Imus and Rappers are separate issues--don't get it twisted
Posted by: macktan on Apr 13, 2007 4:18 PM   
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Do you honestly think that Imus sits around and listens to rap music enough to mimic it? I doubt that Imus can can sing one line from a rap song.

I agree that rappers need to tone it down...but I disagree over the power you think they have--enough to transform grown corporate white men into rapper wannabe's? In other instances Imus used the old stuff--calling Ifill a cleaning lady and Serena Williams an animal. We are not responsible for Imus's views--it's like blaming the rape victim for being raped!!

Let's stop blaming black people for the racist verbiage of whites. All Imus did was pick up a phrase that updated old terms.

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u agree with limbaugh on this point
Posted by: anotherworldisplausible on Apr 13, 2007 4:53 PM   
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you took the words right out of rush's mouth. "look at some of the music and look at some of the lyrics played on the public airwaves being sung ... by recording artists and stars, and I don't hear the Reverend Sharpton concerned about that. ... I heard Snoop Dogg..." i love it when the hard left & hard right agree.

rush makes some weak points on the rest of that link. but i do agree with the right's (& the anti-authoritarian left's) analysis that this is the political correctness police coming to get you. demand that geffen pull snoop's album & of course maybe the next logical step is to move on to fire the rest of the hate-speech shock jocks. sure, i'd like to see the airwaves full of compassionate lyrics & analysis too. but i heard imus' apology & was impressed & then he also immediately went to dialog with those he hurt. maybe it was just PR damage control. but what if it was sincere? do we want a left that won't forgive its enemies? are these the progressive values we stand for? if he was serious about his apology, he may have become a great ally as a public figure & radio personality took responsibility for what it means to be male & white in a toxic racist & patriarical culture.

the US is chock full of poor racist rednecks (who are offended if you call them racist) who vote republican & love the shock jocks. we need a prolonged compassionate dialog with these folks as they (& the culture which created them) embark on the confusing & painful journey that is the awakening to being "on the hook" when it comes to race & patriarchy. to get imus to the point of apology was a mastery of organizing. then to drive the knife in further & have him fired was perhaps clumsy & counter productive. this is seen (perhaps correctly) as futher offense of "elitist liberals who oppose free speech." in oppression & desperation lie the seeds of facism, authoritarianism & totalitarianism - may we not water these seeds (in "them" or in us)...

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» RE: u agree with limbaugh on this point Posted by: MartianBachelor
don't mimic
Posted by: standardschaefer@sbcglobal.net on Apr 13, 2007 5:08 PM   
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Absolutely the left shouldn't mimic the right, ever. But I still think that the debate around Imus and his remarks is largely stuck in a very limited level of discourse. And I'd like to see that the left has weapons other than tolerance-at-all-costs. The sexism in some rap music should stir as big and urgent a debate.

But I agree that the firing of Imus should largely be a matter for his supporters, owners, handlers, and listeners--unless we're going to limit everyone's right to make money off of hate speech.

A great deal of the talk around Imus so far is just political correctness, often by hypocrites like Jesse Jackson (remember his Hymietown comment?) I don't think he should have lost his job for that comment.

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» RE: good point. Posted by: anotherworldisplausible
» Colored Glass Floors Posted by: hole11
» RE: don't mimic Posted by: LizOnlineInGa
» RE: don't mimic Posted by: standardschaefer@sbcglobal.net
This is a wildly complex issue...
Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Apr 13, 2007 9:40 PM   
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thankfully made a bit clearer by certain differentiators. For instance, Imus owes his career extension to the fact that his show has morphed into a pseudo-political affairs show. Would he be carried by MSNBC and the many news-talk stations on the radio side without having Senators, news anchors, political pundits and the like? I think we can agree that the answer is no.

That fact in and of itself makes any comparison to a rap or hip-hop artist or comedian specious. The context is entirely different and so are the audience expectations. I’ve been increasingly turned off by the Imus show’s cruelty and vulgarity for some time—years before the Rutgers incident. I once heard them call cancer survivor Olivia Newton John a “one-titted skank.” I swear it’s true, but I never heard a word of outrage about it.

The idea that they would be saying filth like this one moment and talking to Joe Lieberman the next is without precedent in broadcasting—and for good reason, they are entirely different kinds of broadcasts. Unfortunately, Imus never got the memo. This was inevitable.

Another differentiator in the Imus case is the target of his abuse: young, accomplished women. This wasn’t just about race—I traveled this past Easter weekend to deep Appalachia, where I was raised. There are hardly any people of color in my hometown and I can assure all that it has a ways to go on the path of being enlightened to diversity.

Can you guess the hot topic between Grace and “just a small slice of cake, please?” It was Imus and the good country folk were pissed off about it. You see, he attacked perfectly innocent, barely adult women—and that stoked the fatherly, motherly, brotherly and sisterly instincts to protect. My family may be lily white, but they’ll stand up to protect a young woman from being called a whore ten times out of ten—irrespective of race.

As for Imus, I wish there was another way. I wish there was a way to roll back the clock to when his show started to gain a political/public affairs audience and temper the kind of humor they were employing. But there’s not, and as our departed hero Kurt Vonnegut would have said “so it goes.”

But most of all, I wish Imus could feel first-hand the pain he’s caused. And I don’t mean the pain of the loss of a career—I mean the demeaning, horrific feeling of being a little person under attack from a powerful media figure who has the ear of Senators and CEOs.

And that’s why EWM took a shot at that, if you're inclined:

Punishment: Imus Agrees to Become Nappy-Headed Ho

...EWM- (April 11, 2007, New York, NY) – In what some are calling an act of desperation and others say is a cry for help, disgraced disc jockey Don Imus has agreed to become a “nappy-headed ho” during his two-week suspension for referring to the Rutgers women’s basketball team by that epithet.

The move comes as damage control efforts have only served to worsen Imus’ crisis. The deal was worked out with the blessing of Reverends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who noted that, “It will accomplish nothing. But seeing Imus in drag giving hand-jobs to degenerates will be funny as hell...”

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Blacks do the best job...
Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 14, 2007 12:41 AM   
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In the world of destroying other blacks. Black-on-black crime, bad black governments, black ho-hating, disrespecting all and sundry - all these things do more to harm the prospects of hardworking blacks than anything the Ku Klux Klan and their ilk do.

All a white racist has to do is let blacks carry on as usual and watch them fail on mass. It is sad state of affairs. And when the British PM tells the truth about this, everybody jumps down his throat. He is the first politician of the modern age to actually tell the truth on black failure in the western world.

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» it's "en masse" I think. nm Posted by: grim ripper
» RE: Blacks do the best job... Posted by: anonymous black writer
Snoop makes the I-Man sound like Martin Luther King.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 14, 2007 2:51 AM   
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Don Imus gives new meaning to the word “crude” but he is no racist. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have worked so hard to get Harold Ford Jr. elected to the Senate. But clearly the I-Man wandered off the farm of responsible broadcasting. However, rather than fire him, MSNBC and CBS should have extended his unpaid leave of absence.

On the plus side, having forced Imus off the air, one would hope the same media lynch mob led by Al “Tanya Brawley” Sharpton and Jesse “Heimie Town” Jackson would go after Snoop who has made millions trashing black women millions of times.

Don’t hold your breath. This fuss is all about political power, not public civility. In the end, Snoop will sell more records while Sharpton and Jackson continue inflaming the small minority of black people who believe they aren’t a dark version of the KKK.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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sonny
Posted by: sonny0412 on Apr 14, 2007 3:40 AM   
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i feel bad about all the fuss.......i figure being that iam a brother...that the only recourse is to be equal,
if we are going to punish don imus...then we need to
take snoop,,rev sharpel ,jesse jackson and any other fool out completely..i agree with the punishment for imus..but we have to look past the color and look at the behavior..now imus isnt the only fool out there,look at these other fools..jackson,sharpel,snoopdog..etc..get rid of them..take snoops.record off the stands.,fire him as well.and both -pastors ..jackson -sharpel..no pastor would defile the good name of the lord like these two have..we as people who believe in God for give not take revenge.and this upcoming presidential canditate..obama. fire him ..we dont need a brother in office who is going to only start a race war..we need a leader ,who will unite us.
iam sorry for these 4 men..my gender..please forgive them ,they know not what they do..
but if we must be equal and fair,,fire them all...
AMEN................

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» Indeed Posted by: kepstein7777
» RE: sonny Posted by: SEDGFLD
We get it already
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 14, 2007 3:51 AM   
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We already heard about the double standard ad nauseum this week. But I guess everyone has to jump on the rappers-do-it-too bandwagon.

So are you going to burn Snoopy's records like they did when Lennon said he was cooler than Jesus?...Or when the Dixie Chick said whatever she said?

If and when this blows over, so-called "progressives" will go back to complaining about how the Religious Right or the Neocons are taking away our free speech, and never see the irony.

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» RE: We get it already Posted by: edith
» RE: We get it already Posted by: anonymous black writer
free speech
Posted by: dannrusso on Apr 14, 2007 3:58 AM   
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doesnt mean you have to be nice...

and maybe being on the radio means you have to be nice...

I still have to figure it out...

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» What Was Franklin Doing? Posted by: hole11
Enough Already!
Posted by: jack alexander on Apr 14, 2007 4:10 AM   
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All of this is a smoke screen as to what is really wrong with this country. Angela whatever her name was and the 'father' of her child was too.

The fact is the major media is creating this circus to reach our baser instincts and cloud our minds, and to distract us.

What really matters is the sub-moronic chimpanzee in the white house and his band of henchmen. The media is afraid of the FCC becasue if they really presented the problems wrong with America right now they would lose their licenses or the IRS would audit their taxes--and subsequently shut them down.

Consider: The pentagon is unlawfully extending tours of duty in Iraq. The chimp wants to send thousands more troups to and illegal and unwinnable war. The so called 'Green Zone' that we created and are maintaining in Iraq is pourous and bombers can get to the newly empowered parliment in Iraq. Literally thousands of emails are suddenly 'lost'. And the list does on. One has to go to the foreign press to learn the facts.

We had something like this in the 70's with another president--remember Dick? The 18 minutes of audio tape that was missing/erased? All of the lies and deaths--and another illegal war?

I tell you this: What Tricky Dick did pales in scope compared to the crimes that are being committed on a minute by minute basis by the current administration.

And it seems to me that all you people are interested is passing gas about things that are truly trivial in comparison to what you should really be concerned with.

Do you choose to implode as a nation/civilzation while being prepared for further suppresion by this criminal regime? Or will you do the right thing and put this pure effluent aside and deal with the real issues of life in this country and the world?

Go ahead, take another big whiff of the smoke. Let your minds be clouded... Get dumbed down some more. Or take a deep breath of fresh progressive air and get up and do something useful for yourselves and the world!

To h*ll with celebrities, money, insults, racial bickering. Fix the world with the energy you are wasting here....

Regards.... j

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» Here, here Posted by: grim ripper
» RE: nough Already! Posted by: ALANHESTER
Thinking in a hurricane
Posted by: talkville on Apr 14, 2007 4:23 AM   
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Whoa! Imus's atomic sound-byte unleashed quite a few, un-countable really, dimensions into our atmosphere. I'll leave discussion of Snoop's alleged 'sins' within the Black community, as I am not black. There's a disconcerting and very worrisome phenomenon taking shape, however, and not only along the racial-relations or gender-relations lines.

One of these aspects is the 'morality' and 'propriety' dimension, and I'm afraid - terribly afraid - that there''s a subtle re-alignment happening here with 'moral majority' type movements of past and present -- this is at its core a repressive and reactionary stance in its general contours. Restrictions of liberty have never helped make any social relations better, more enlightened or more equal - even in realms of rights. It's prudent to move really carefully here - these waters are quite murky at the moment. Censorship is not a simple object to contemplate or to act on.

And there's more than censorship and speech issues flying around these days after the exploding Imus affair. The State is active on many fronts in its attack on each and every one of us - not abstract "individuals" but concrete flesh and blood ones. There's much more to ethics and morality and conduct than just shutting people up. Better to sit back a bit and think this through a little; there's implications in all of this that just may not be in the interests of democracy or our civil relations. So far, the only real beneficiary of all this seems to be the corporate State and capitalism. It's best to be on guard against precipitous moves in a hurricane. We haven't even addressed or exhausted the repercussions of Katrina yet!

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» RE: Thinking in a hurricane Posted by: CharlesRoland
» Dear half wit racist morons: Posted by: ekipnrut
RAPPERS DON'T WORK FOR RADIO STATIONS
Posted by: thetruth07 on Apr 14, 2007 4:41 AM   
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Let's not forget that Don Imus works for radio which is supposed have ethical guidelines created by the FCC. On the other hand rappers work for record companies who are owned by old white men who could care less about young black men calling their black women out of their names. Young white kids buy 80% of rap music, this music could not make the kind of money its making just by black patronage alone.
I would also like to address this misconception that black people haven't complained about the rap lyrics in music. Black women's groups have been fighting for the last 15 years as well as Sharpton and Jackson, black women's magazines such as Essence have covered this, its just not covered by the mainstream media. And we all know who owns the media.
Rap music is a young boy's game which caters to the young minds of America. Not every black person in America goes around calling each other out of their names. We all know that if you call a black woman out of her name and there is a black man there, you will be chin-checked, make no mistake!!!
Freedom of speech isn't "free" when you abuse this freedom, a price is paid. Let's not forget that the KKK has freedom of speech also, does that mean white America will do as the KKK do?

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Liberal censorship?
Posted by: colinmeister on Apr 14, 2007 4:47 AM   
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Usually it's political liiberals, lead by the ACLU, who fight censorship in the USA. Right wingers are usually the ones accused of trying to cemsor air waves and recorded media.

This spat over Don Imus and Snoop Doggy-dog, or whatever his stage name is, has revealed that the left is just as open to censorship of material they don't like as the right.

If enough people would just ignore those who say things they don't like, they will just go away. Imus was fired, so the censors won. If people had just stopped listening to and watching his show, he'd have had the show cancelled anyway. If nobody buys Snoop's record, and I suspect most potential buyers are African-American, Snoop will not be making any more records.

Fight censorship in all its forms - you might be the next one to be censored.

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Ridiculous backlash
Posted by: xi_people on Apr 14, 2007 5:29 AM   
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Predictably, when a major white media figure takes a pratfall over matters relating to race, the "mainstream" punditry rush out any and all excuses for how it could have happened.

The first ploy, already embodied in this article, is to blame elements of the minority community in question for creating the "environment" which made the gaff "acceptable." To wit: Black rappers have been using the word "ho" for ages, therefore its perfectly acceptable for Imus to have used the term, while "not understanding" how derogatory it was.

This is pure idiocy. Are we to understand that Imus, a long-time icon in the broadcast business, is now taking his cues from Snoop? Just because Snoop says something, Imus can follow suit? Its obvious that if Imus verbalized on his show all of the curses that so-called gansta rappers use, on a regular basis, he would have been fired a long time ago.

Newsflash: the music/rap industry and the mainstream news media are completely separate and therefore have different standards. You wouldn't expect to find the content of a rap song being read on a news broadcast, nor would a rap record contain nothing but mainstream news. So the idea that just because certain words were used by rappers make it "ok" for news outlets to use is ludicrous.

I decry the use of words like "b*tches" and "hos" in rap records. I wish that the record industry -- which by the way is controlled by white males, not Black rappers -- would clamp down and not allow such lyrics to appear on records. In rap's earliest days, such foul content was not included and the genre was brilliant. However, once the record labels stepped in and rap went "mainstream" the torrent of insults and denigrations began. What a coincidence.

Imus made his own bed, and now has to lay in it. He should have been fired a long time ago for racist and sexist comments made on his show. None of what has happened to him has the slightest thing to do with the rap industry or Snoop, as this article intimates.

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C. Delores Tucker Was Right
Posted by: shirleyj on Apr 14, 2007 5:37 AM   
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African-American women have long railed against the misogyny of the Gangsta Rap sub-culture of hip hop. C. Delores Tucker, former head of the National Congress of Black Women, took on the producers of this so-called music a few years ago. For her trouble, she was harassed and attacked by her brothers and their bankrolling underwriters. She has since passed away. Our African-American leaders must continue Ms. Tucker's campaign and take a stronger stand to shut down this vile genre because of its effects on our culture both domestically and internationally. I cannot help but believe that the sofa manufactured by a Chinese company and described as "N-- Brown" according to the Toronto Star was given that unfortunate description by those who learned about the N-word via our gangsta rap music in addition to longstanding racist utterances from members of the majority community. The white community, from whom we learned these words as slaves, is therefore not excused. But brothas, we African-American women are not your enemies. Enough of the "bootyfication" of our image and culture!

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80% of Rap Music sold.........
Posted by: deapp on Apr 14, 2007 5:59 AM   
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80% of rap music sold is sold to young White kids. Why? Maybe because of their fascination with Blacks calling themselves N's and Ho's. If the racist Neo-Conservative want rap to end so badly, just tell their kids to stop buying it and it will surely die. The Black community doesn’t have the publicity hogs to promote their disgust with negative rap music. When White media pick up a story it will go around the world. When Blacks have a concern over negative rap, only Black media pick it up and no one else pays any attention. Now the Racists are pretending they are concern with rap negativity only after Imu foul mouth racist rants have been made obvious. This has been going on for a long time. Let’s call for the 80% of White rap purchasers to stop buying negative rap and stop buying the video “White Girls Gone Wild”.

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It's all about the money
Posted by: Democritus on Apr 14, 2007 6:00 AM   
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Don Imus stepped over the line, but he was just offering a riposte to a comment one of his cohorts made about the Rutgers women's basketball team. They thought it was funny, just like some of the other crude comments they make about celebrities every day--except these women weren't fair game, because they were just college kids playing the game of basketball. If Imus had used the phrase, "nappy headed ho" to describe Snoop Dog, then there wouldn't have been any cause for apology--it would not only have been accurate, it would even have been funny. Snoop thinks that he has the right to demean black women but Imus doesn't. He's wrong. But the people who make money on his recordings don't care. Where is the outrage from women's organizations against Snoop? They should be leading a boycott against his albums.

Some people don't like "shock jock" radio or television. That's fine. Just turn the channel. What happened to Imus after his unfortunate remark shows how hypocritical Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Snoop really are. Remember, it was Sharpton and Jackson, that dynamic duo, who jumped on Joe Biden for calling Barack Obama "clean" and "articulate." Who are they to be the gatekeepers of political correctness? Where were Sharpton's apologies to the Duke lacrosse team for slandering them after the charges were dropped. We all remember Jackson's slurs against Jews, as well. Why aren't they deploring Snoop's recordings? Well, he's black; and it's all about the money, baby.

The worst offenders in this mess are the heads of CBS and MSNBC. First they demand apologies, which Imus contritely issues. Then they give him a suspension. Finally, when the PC crowd really gets loud, and sponsors threaten to pull ads, they fire him. What a cowardly, gutless thing to do. Imus, along with his irreverence and iconoclasm was actually one of the only commentators who made critical comments on the political scene. Many politicians were on the receiving end of well-deserved zingers--including George H.W. Bush for his meagerly charitable contributions. Even if you didn't agree with him, you knew he wasn't going to pull any punches. With Imus gone--and before him Howard Stern on radio--we aren't going to get anything on our corporate stations except pablum. One wishes that CBS had been so protective of viewers' sensibilities when they helped cheerlead for the invasion of Iraq.

What should have happened in Imus' case was simply his apology to the Rutgers women's basketball team. That was issued and it has now been accepted. That should have been it. But that wasn't it, and we'll all be the poorer for it for not having access to Imus' dissenting opinions. If you're like me and are really ticked off about CBS's bottom-line, money-grubbing behavior, I suggest that you watch CBS just so you can boycott the products of every single advertiser that pressed CBS to fire Imus.

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westward
Posted by: westward on Apr 14, 2007 6:54 AM   
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Mr. Hutchinson, thank you very much for your analysis. It's refreshing.

We're long overdue for some public, mainstream dialogue among people of different races, in which we can look at assumptions about each other with understanding and analysis that doesn't go for the kill.

I agree that Don Imus went over the line, but I am appalled that, in the examination of what should be said on television, several commentators have sidestepped or excused the bile that pop artists like Snoopdog put out, by characterizing him as an "artist."

Maybe I'm older than some of the crowd that reads Alternet, but I can recall another media firestorm, maybe twenty years ago, over the trends in music, when the musician Prince was in the headlights of the media for some sort of offense. I liked (still like) Prince and I couldn't figure out what ignited the fire storm (very similar conditions to what's now going on). I was troubled by the attack on him.

But when it came to others defending Prince, something really stuck in my craw. One of his corporate backers said, in excusing him, that he was an artist comparable to James Joyce. Maybe, except James Joyce was broke, had a mad daughter, and struggled to get anything published (including books that had taken him decades to write, due to his sense of artistry) because of obscenity laws.

I think that we have, these days, a cheap sense of what it means to accomplish something artistically, and Snoopdog and others like him think that the ability to exploit others, easily, cheaply, somehow an "artist" makes.

Imus (not an artist, but a shock jock) lampooned others, took cheap shots at many targets, got too lazy to remake his show and raise the level discourse, and is paying a very hard price. Why shouldn't people like Snoop and others also be examined for their cheap and exploitative tactics? It only seems fair. Thank you for taking a step in this direction.

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Posted by: mizipi on Apr 14, 2007 7:24 AM   
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A Republican response: This is nothing more than 'political correctness' gone wild. The liberal media is trampling on Imus's civil right to 'free speech.'

A Democratic response: There is no place in our society for such remarks.

A non-political response: Who the hell is Don Imus? Never heard of him.

A Christian response: Forgive me God, I am a sinner. May you bless Don Imus, Osama bin Laden and George Bush, for they know not what they do. Comfort these people, so that one day they can live in peace with all people.

My response: With all the crap going on in the USA today, this is the best reaction we can come-up with? If you like women's college basketball, go to a game and yell for your team of choice. If you like Don Imus, write him a letter of support. If you do not like the lyrics of rap music, don't listen to it. Anyway, what's the difference in what Imus said and some of the things that were said about Saddam Hussein prior to March 2003? Stupid, hate-filled speech! Thank goodness,