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MSNBC Drops Simulcast of Don Imus Show

MSNBC. Posted April 12, 2007.


MSNBC announced it will no longer air "Imus in the Morning," but unless CBS cancels the radio version of the show, Imus will continue to have a forum for his racist comments.

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MSNBC said Wednesday it will drop its simulcast of the "Imus in the Morning" radio program, responding to growing outrage about the radio host's racial slur against the Rutgers women's basketball team.

"This decision comes as a result of an ongoing review process, which initially included the announcement of a suspension. It also takes into account many conversations with our own employees," NBC news said in a statement.

Talk-show host Don Imus triggered the uproar on his April 4 show, when he referred to the mostly black Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos." His comments have been widely denounced by civil rights and women's groups.

The decision does not affect Imus' nationally syndicated radio show, and the ultimate decision on the fate of that program will rest with executives at CBS Corp. In a statement, CBS reiterated that Imus will be suspended without pay for two weeks beginning on Monday, and that CBS Radio "will continue to speak with all concerned parties and monitor the situation closely."

MSNBC's action came after a growing list of sponsors -- including American Express Co., Sprint Nextel Corp., Staples Inc., Procter & Gamble Co., and General Motors Corp. -- said they were pulling ads from Imus' show for the indefinite future.

NBC News President Steve Capus said he made the decision after reading thousands of e-mails and having countless discussions with NBC workers and the public, but he denied the potential loss of advertising dollars had anything to do with it.

"I take no joy in this. It's not a particularly happy moment, but it needed to happen," he said. "I can't ignore the fact that there is a very long list of inappropriate comments, of inappropriate banter, and it has to stop."

NBC's decision came at a time when Imus' program on MSNBC was doing better competitively than it ever has been. For the first three months of the year, its audience was nearly identical to CNN's, leading CNN to replace its morning news team last week.

'He's crossed the line'
Calls for Imus' firing from the radio portion of the program have intensified during the past week, and remained strong even after MSNBC's announcment. The show originates from WFAN-AM in New York City and is syndicated nationally by Westwood One, both of which are managed by CBS Corp. MSNBC, which had been simulcasting the show, is a unit of General Electric Co.'s NBC Universal.

Bruce Gordon, former head of the NAACP and a director of CBS Corp., said before MSNBC's decision Wednesday he hoped the broadcasting company would "make the smart decision" by firing Imus.

"He's crossed the line, he's violated our community," Gordon said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "He needs to face the consequence of that violation."

Gordon, a longtime telecommunications executive, stepped down in March after 19 months as head of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, one of the foremost U.S. civil rights organizations.

He said he had spoken with CBS chief executive Leslie Moonves and hoped the company, after reviewing the situation, would fire Imus rather than let him return to the air at the end of his suspension.

"We should have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to what I see as irresponsible, racist behavior," Gordon said. "The Imus comments go beyond humor. Maybe he thought it was funny, but that's not what occurred."

A CBS spokesman, Dana McClintock, declined comment on the remarks by Gordon, who is one of at least two minorities on the 13-member board.

The 10 members of the Rutgers team spoke publicly for the first time Tuesday about the on-air comments, made the day after the team lost the NCAA championship game to Tennessee. Some of them wiped away tears as their coach, C. Vivian Stringer, criticized Imus for "racist and sexist remarks that are deplorable, despicable, abominable and unconscionable."

The women, eight of whom are black, agreed to meet with Imus privately and hear his explanation. They held back from saying whether they'd accept Imus' apologies.

Stringer said late Wednesday that she did not call for Imus' firing, but was pleased with the decision by NBC executives.

She said the meeting with Imus was never designed to call for his removal but to give the women on the team the opportunity to meet with him and for him to see the people he had so publicly hurt.

"The young ladies and I needed to put a face behind the remarks... He needs to know who these young ladies are that he hurt," Stringer said.

Imus has apologized repeatedly for his comments. He said Tuesday he hadn't been thinking when making a joke that went "way too far." He also said that those who called for his firing without knowing him, his philanthropic work or what his show was about would be making an "ill-informed" choice.

The Rev. Al Sharpton said in New York that he would put pressure on CBS but that the issue was larger than Imus.

"I think we also have to have now a broad discussion on how the music industry allows this to be used," Sharpton said. "I don't think that we should stop at NBC, and I don't think we should stop at Imus."

Jackson wants more black show hosts
The Rev. Jesse Jackson said he planned to meet with CBS and NBC executives on Thursday with a delegation of other civil rights activists and lawmakers to discuss the Imus situation and diversity in broadcasting.

"Imus is on 1,040 hours a week and yet they have virtually no black show hosts. That is true for other networks as well," Jackson said. "We must raise the ethical standard for all of them."

At the Rutgers campus in New Brunswick, N.J., about 300 students and faculty rallied earlier in the day to cheer for their team, which lost in the national championship game, and add their voices to the crescendo of calls for Imus' ouster. One of the speakers was Chidimma Acholonu, president of the campus chapter of the NAACP.

"This is not a battle against one man. This is a battle against a way of thought," she said. "Don Imus does not understand the power of his words, so it is our responsibility to remind him."

Before the announcement was made, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) had appeared on the MSNBC program "Hardball," where host David Gregory asked the senator and presidential candidate if he thought Imus should be fired.

"I don't think MSNBC should be carrying the kinds of hateful remarks that Imus uttered the other day," Obama said.

He went on to note that he and his wife have "two daughters who are African-American, gorgeous, tall, and I hope, at some point, are interested enough in sports that they get athletic scholarships. ... I don't want them to be getting a bunch of information that, somehow, they're less than anybody else. And I don't think MSNBC should want to promote that kind of language."

Obama went on to say that he would not be a guest on Imus' show in the future.


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The Punishment of Imus: What about Coulter and Limbaugh?
Posted by: Mary MacElveen on Apr 12, 2007 6:41 AM   
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The Punishment of Imus: What about Coulter and Limbaugh?
By Mary MacElveen
April 12, 2007

(Snip)
In the wake of the firing of Don Imus, while I applaud NBC and MSNBC for at least doing the right thing, in this country, there is systemic problem when people would even think that language like that is funny. Any apology if given frequently holds little meaning and sincerity. After a while it becomes just words without feeling behind it. He is not the first and only one, and will not be the last. But, what he said on his radio simulcast pails in comparison to the many demonic rants of Ann Coulter.

Her last bout of name calling was when she called former Senator John Edwards a “faggot” at a CPAC convention and while many took it to mean a form of Gay bashing, she was invited on to numerous talk shows to explain herself. She stated that she meant it as a school-yard taunt and given her character, I just do not believe her explanation. Exactly where was the wall-to-wall coverage showing any public outrage to her statement? It was no where to be seen. No one treated her as a pariah as is being done with Imus.

To read the rest of my editorial, please go to this link: http://snipurl.com/1g79m

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Oh Goody, Another PMRC
Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Apr 12, 2007 7:08 AM   
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"I think we also have to have now a broad discussion on how the music industry allows this to be used," Sharpton said. "I don't think that we should stop at NBC, and I don't think we should stop at Imus."

Lemme guess, a government enforced music rating system? Or, maybe a *law* as to what lyrics are permissible in lyrics?

Feh. Sharpton's answer to everything is bigger gov't and more laws in the name of progressive egalitarianism.

When will he get it this kind of change requires a change in the home first?

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Are you serious?
Posted by: GrizzleBee's on Apr 12, 2007 7:11 AM   
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Freedom of speech is top priority! Racism is an intention not the words that are taken from context! Look at the ones who make the biggest stink they themselves are just as accountable.The news media have taken this and repeatedly said the very same text for days now. Hiding behind their hipocritical rationalizations. Those personally affected have the right to be offended those who choose to be offended have made that decision. Imus took those words from what was considered artistic freedom. And now because the face changed the words somehow gain a racial significance. Sharpton, Jackson,Olberman,etc.. Have all lept at the oportunity to save face while simultaneously undermining their very positions. Why promote apathy and then complain about it!

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» RE: Are you serious? Posted by: xi_people
» Freedom of Speech.... Posted by: CatDad
freedom of speech is a delicate thing
Posted by: counterpoint on Apr 12, 2007 7:21 AM   
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yes, I know, this is about the corporate media and how they greedily exploit people's lust for shock jocks who bluntly reaffirm what they already believe.
But I also happen to have opinions that are offensive to others, are impolite, and that may be interpreted as racist or anti-semitic or anti-black or anti-religious, anti-government or anti-Republican.
If such positions are all off limits - for me or for media personalities or shows - we'll have lost freedom of speech.
Some of my positions may be off, others on target, but unless we can talk about them publicly without the fear that one sloppy remark will get me kicked off the air for good we don't have an open forum.
And it's the unpopular left positions that are going to be attacked first.
Take religions for example: people with arbitrary belief systems tell us: "This is how our petty version of god wants YOU to lead your life, let's make some laws for everybody". I say: Go away you gullible delusional weirdos! This is all made up and the next horde of brainwashed suckers with a totally different 'holy book' are already lining up around the block. We need rational principles to determine public policy".
Can I say this? Can I say this even if I dress my language down to something that implies it but is not rude?
Hell, in this country I can't even use a strictly technichal philosophical term like bullshit on the air!
Pity.
Just remember one thing: they'll go after the community radio DJs first, citing the Imus case. (I used to do several hours of public affairs programming every week on Boston area college stations, using very polite language, but topics or speakers who rarely made the NPR list.)
I hate the garbage spewed out by the Imusses and Limbaugh's as much as you do but I fear if we get one or the other jock off the air (partially, mind you!) we accomplish little but providing endless fodder for the right who will now regurgitate their emotionally potent talk about how the Left and their crazy PC wants 'regular guys' to shut up.

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» RE: freedom of speech is a delicate thing Posted by: apophenia_monkey
» You may be right . . . Posted by: MAD
Try being a black female construction electrician.
Posted by: mobile68 on Apr 12, 2007 7:36 AM   
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Try being a black female construction electrician.

If you really want to see some hate against women, go on a construction site. Or in any other male-dominated field such as the railroad, where women are the in the minority. The hate increases when the skin of the female gets darker.

The sad part is that nobody addressed how what Imus said is a reflection of why women and people of color in this so called x-tian-democratic-freeist-society-in-the-world called the u.s.a. are still being discriminated against in the work place by mainly white men, since women and people of color were finally ALLOWED to work jobs that are not low-paying and female dominated only 30+ years ago. Women cannot or will not ban together to put a stop of this kind of behavior in the work place because of the fear of losing their only source of legit income. It seems to me that the more women and people of color advance in white-male dominated careers, the white male got to ratchit up the hate.

Someone please explain to me why is it mostly white men who:
-Is being paid $200+ million to do a half ass job of running the largest companies in america?
-Are the owners of major league football, baseball, and basketball teams?
-Are the commissioners of the major field of sports?
-Are the majority that heads colleges, universities and hospitals?
-Dominates the police and firefighter forces?

Why is there only a hand full of women and only one black senator in the u.s. senate 200 years later?
What is the big deal about if a woman, or a woman/man of color becomes the leader of a country that supposedly prides itself on being a melting pot?

As for the apologists for Imus that uses the excuse that the rappers say it in their songs shows how bone headed they are. If that's what the rappers say and you know it's wrong, then why didn't Imus and his supporters call out the rappers for their hate speech long before Imus made his bone headed comments? It's like my mother used the following example about caving into peer pressure, "If your friends Monica, Suzie, and Diane decide to go and jump off a bridge are you going to do it too because you want them to see that you respect and support them because they are your friends?" The hate of women and people of color by white men has been in existence long before hip-hop became mainstream. In fact the misogony that the rappers talk about in their music, one must follow the trail that still leads to the white male jewish dominated controlled media execs at Time-Warner, Sony, etc. They set the standard for the only way a black male can make it in mainstream music scene now is to become one of those disgusting self-hating rappers and for the black female to be one of those video hoes.
Yes I know they have a choice in not doing that kind of music but when artists like Kelis wanted to go the clean route the execs told her she had do do a hip-hop themed song to get her 1st album out for radio play. However in Europe, her album is hot for the non hip-hop songs on the album. So go figure.
You will never hear positive rappers or R&B artists like Common, KRS-1, Public Enemy, Prince or even John Mayer on the radio because then people will wake up from their slumber and begin to question the powers that be.

So whatever the rappers are saying about women, it has not affected me earning a living yet. It's the racism and misogony that have and is still being practiced by white men through out history that affects my bottom line.

My how we have progressed.

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» Until education is free... Posted by: vangogh69
Significance?????
Posted by: veive on Apr 12, 2007 8:08 AM   
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If a guy's career gets scuttled for occasionally, or even frequently, saying stupid and/or insensitive things, how do you explain George W. Bush's remaining in office after all of his stupid, insensitive and illegal actions? America's prognosis is bad because it has no sense of proportion.

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» agreed Posted by: MartianBachelor
One strike and you're out? IT'S ABOUT ROSIE, NOT IMUS
Posted by: xbj on Apr 12, 2007 8:07 AM   
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Even though Imus has certianly spewed racist bile before, no one EVER said anything and there was no uproar. This is his first major (and don't get me wrong, highly jusitified) attack, so doesn't it stand to reason he should get one more chance and THEN if he EVER says anything racist again, then he's AUTOMATICALLY OUT? As if he ever would!

We have to be very careful here, because this is NOT about Imus; the Right has been very vocal in his damnation, and not because they give a damn about racism for a single second; it's all lynching practice leading up to their real target, Rosie O'Donnell, daily on "The View" waking up millions of formerly oblivious American women with her very truthful "unAmerican" views. It's obvious with every Rove talking point about the Imus issue that comes out of Elisabeth Hasselbeck's mouth on the show; the GOP tool is not arguing about Imus, she's arguing about Rosie; her not-so-subtle subtext is that Rosie's views are "hurting" the troops the same way Imus' remarks hurt the Rutgers' athletes and all black women. That's HER next step, folks. And we already know people who slavishly follow the Right have no problem making and following LINKS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE.

CONNECT THE DOTS. DON'T miss the point on this. Yes, absolutely what Imus said was indefensible. Yes what he said, he'd said many times before, and sometimes in far worse ways. BUT NO ONE EVER SAID ANYTHING.

The ONLY reason they're saying anything now IS BECAUSE THE RABID RIGHT are REALLY after ROSIE.

Be smart and PLEASE quit falling into Rove's "Divide and conquer" honeytraps.

Imus deserves one final chance to PROVE he's been educated. If he's exiled, it will prove nothing other than ROSIE IS NEXT.

If he ever says anything racist again, THEN he should be out on his ass. Call it TWO strikes and you're out.

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» Isn't the View... Posted by: vangogh69
» RE: Isn't the View... Posted by: xbj
Imus is stupid, but...
Posted by: Edison829 on Apr 12, 2007 8:28 AM   
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I have to really laugh at Al "Tawana Brawley" "Kill aBrooklyn Jew" Sharpton, and Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson putting pressure on anyone to watch what they say. As to Imus, he's a pig of the highest order. BUT, I also agree with the poster above regarding Coulter and Limbaugh (ptoi!)

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» RE: Imus is stupid, but... Posted by: VZEQICVA
IS THIS REALLY ABOUT IMUS AND RUTGERS ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 12, 2007 8:38 AM   
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Did Al Sharpton really believe that he could be President of the US? He seems to have put himself in charge of deciding what's fair and who needs his 'help'. He does the Rutgers women a disservice. Using them to his own advantage. They've done extremely well on their own. I expect they'll continue to be high achievers. Rev. Al, stop interfering in the lives of these young women. Maybe they chose to accept a sincere apology. It's up to them, not you. Thanks, ANNA

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IS THIS REALLY ABOUT IMUS AND RUTGERS ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 12, 2007 8:38 AM   
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Did Al Sharpton really believe that he could be President of the US? He seems to have put himself in charge of deciding what's fair and who needs his 'help'. He does the Rutgers women a disservice. Using them to his own advantage. They've done extremely well on their own. I expect they'll continue to be high achievers. Rev. Al, stop interfering in the lives of these young women. Maybe they chose to accept a sincere apology. It's up to them, not you. Thanks, ANNA

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While Americans Have Been Preoccupied With Imus and Anna Nicole Smith
Posted by: freethink7 on Apr 12, 2007 10:14 AM   
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And other distracting trashy news being force-fed to Americans by our duplicitous mainstream media: more horrendous crimes + killing against Iraq have been occurring, Iraq Parliament has been bombed, public access in upcoming AIPAC lobbyists’ trial is being denied, more than 1,000 killed in attack on Mogadishu, etc etc

Americans, please wake up and stop being so acquiescent to the propaganda, lies, and distraction and suppression of real news that we are being force-fed from our mainstream media.

Visit this website for news that is currently being suppressed:
whatreallyhappened.com

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The problem isn't one guy
Posted by: vangogh69 on Apr 12, 2007 11:03 AM   
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It's a system that rewards bigots, demagogues, homophobes, and racists. I've said it before and I'll say it again: are people really so naive/ignorant to believe that "all that (racism) was so long ago and we've come a long way"? Only in a racist nation do you have a President claim to be "helping" a country while the death toll there approaches genocidal levels. Let's just keep it real and admit that the more things (seem to) change, the more they (definately are) stay(ing) the same.

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what is and is not racist
Posted by: eosrk on Apr 12, 2007 12:00 PM   
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Imus say thing about everybody all the time, but he's not a racist, he does his part for the people, he just dosen't toot a horn, or give to jackson or sharpton to do so.

Michael Richards, is a racist, but I bet he gives plenty to jackson and sharpton.

And I'm a black man saying this, not some hyphened-American!

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No more Imus for me but should MSNBC have fired him? Of course not!
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 12, 2007 12:10 PM   
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For the past two years, to get my brain working before surfing the Internet each morning, I woke up at three a.m. California time and listened with a headset to Imus while my wife continued sleeping.

While Don’s show was certainly entertaining, I always felt uncomfortable with the “Cardinal Keegan” comedy routine that gave new meaning to the word “tasteless.” The obvious insensitive mindset behind the Catholic satire led to last Friday’s flap and the I-Man’s subsequent, hand-in-the-cookie-jar, teary-eyed apology this week.

I don’t believe Don’s a racist. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have worked so hard to get Harold Ford elected to the Senate. But clearly over the years, the I-Man wandered off the farm of responsible broadcasting. However, rather than fire him, MSNBC should’ve extended his unpaid leave of absence another two weeks.

On the plus side, having forced Don off the air, the same outraged media critics can go after Rush Limbaugh whose blatant bigotry makes the I-Man look like Martin Luther King.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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GIVE ME A BREAK
Posted by: Mewsician on Apr 12, 2007 1:06 PM   
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This whole thing is so absurd and blown out of proportion that I can hardly stand it. Two words: RAP MUSIC. Where the hell are Al and Jesse and Conde and all the rest of what passes for the black leadership in this country today on the topic of vile rap music? An endless stream of "niggas" and "bitches" and "ho's" and every other foul epithet imaginable emanates hourly across the land. Living in southern California, there is not a single square foot of territory where we are free of it - it's spewing out of cars and homes night and day, and we're forced to listen to it at every turn. WHERE are the condemnations of this plague on the land? Al, is it okay for blacks to level these offensive terms at one another, but woe to the white man who perpetrates them? Jesse, are you indignant at the prospect of your own daughters growing up with these indignities, as you are with the Rutger girls, but so what if this white girl - or any other - has to be relentlessly subjected to the filthy garbage lyrics of rap and hip-hop, which otherwise rational people still insist on defending as an "art form"? What unadulterated, bald hypocrisy. I repeat: GIVE me a break. Crucifying a self-important blabbermouth like Don Imus is a witch hunt and nothing more. Blacks who are so supposedly outraged by his remarks should put up or shut up, and start cleaning out their own glass houses.

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» RE: GIVE ME A BREAK Posted by: eosrk
"HO" stands for Hyp-O-crite.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 12, 2007 3:24 PM   
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Well, their shrewd racist plan worked, getting Don IMus fired by CBS, too.

I'm talking abut the media lynch mob led by hypocrites Al "Tanya Brawley" Sharpton and Jesse "Heimie Town" Jackson.

And we can't exclude a little help from Karl "Dirty Trcks" Rove, who was eager to silence the Bush-bashing, Iraq War-hating I-Man.

Pardon me while I puke.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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This might surprise you.....
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Apr 12, 2007 3:34 PM   
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As a conservative I am sorry that (P)MSNBC has let IMUS go. Goes to show you that what conservatives say about liberals and "free speech" is absolutely true. They are only pay lip service to the ideal. What IMUS said was more stupid than egregious especially in light of what goes on regularly in the culture. Look at BET or listen to what gets said in all those hip hop records. The phony racial arsonists like the allegedly Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson use all kinds of egregious rhetoric on a regular basis and they have caused great harm both personal and cultural. How many folks have been killed by Rev. Al and his rhetoric over the years? How many times has that hypocrite Jesse Jackson pointed the finger of accusation and been found to be committing the same acts he denounces others for? I read that there are some of you that wonder why FOX NEWS hasn't taken to task the likes of Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity for their remarks as (P)MSNBC has with IMUS. The difference is that FOX to a greater degree believes in free speech and that you can can be criticized for what you say without threatening the persons job or reputation. What Ann Coulter said about John Edwards being a faggot has been taken out of context. She only implied he was a faggot amd therefore didn't step over the line (at least for conservatives). With Sean Hannity the only real criticism is from the left wing who worry that Hannity is just too damn effective at exposing the hypocrisy and downright stupidity of the left. In the end though I won't miss IMUS.... and considering his ratings it seems there won't be too many people missing him either.

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You people rock!
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 12, 2007 3:54 PM   
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Lots of comments about overreaction, freedom of speech, hypocrisy and so on. Good to hear.

Hey...Can you believe those Muslim fanatics getting their panties in a knot over a cartoon? They should mellow out and be civilized like we are here in the States.

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Do any of you get it?
Posted by: babs on Apr 12, 2007 3:58 PM   
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In order to broadcast on any airwaves, public broadcasters (radio and television) must adhere to definite standards. Racial and sexist slurs violate these standards and the broadcaster runs the risk of losing their licence if nothing is done to remedy the problem. It is a big deal, and unfortunately its not about political correctness or whatever you yutzes want to call it, its about MONEY.

Your taxes and spending (advertisers) pay for the public airwaves - NBC is an established national network and they are not about to go down for a schmuck like Imus. There are plenty more where he came from.

(too bad the same can't be said for Faux).

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» Exactly! Posted by: ltgbone
CBS has zapped him
Posted by: ekipnrut on Apr 12, 2007 4:09 PM   
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6:50 PM EST..........Imus zapped by CBS.

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ROSIE IS NEXT
Posted by: xbj on Apr 12, 2007 4:29 PM   
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Imus is out... watch for the Nazis to go after Rosie anew and 1000 times harder "because her 'conspiracy' theories are hurting our troops and war effort" against evil Islam...

This justified firing was unfortunately the first step down a slipperly chasm, and it's going to catch a lot more people as it grows, before we plug it up. IF we ever plug it back up.

Bad move. The man's an asshole, but he should have been given one last chance to clean up his act, if solely for preserving freedom of speech; Rosie's right on this one, because she knows she's next on their list.

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Basketball Is Racist
Posted by: hole11 on Apr 12, 2007 4:47 PM   
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For everyone who think they are going to make it to the big leagues there are hundreds of thousands that don't. Not only that but the free scholarships and the basketball program (or any sports) make it more expensive for everyone else.

If I am wrong we would have free health care and it wouldn't cost us a cent.

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Corporations control what you can watch.
Posted by: lamar on Apr 12, 2007 4:49 PM   
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Al Sharpton finally got his pound of flesh. For a man who labels himself "reverend" he sure is proud of himself for ruining another man's career.

Here are the companies that put the pressure on to fire Imus: American Express Co., Sprint Nextel Corp., Staples Inc., Procter & Gamble Co. and General Motors Corp.

These corporations are now the new arbiters of taste. They, not you, will decide what you watch.... Very scary, especially with Al Sharpton as their new man-at-arms.

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Don Imus is BORING
Posted by: ateo on Apr 12, 2007 5:35 PM   
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Also, unplug your TV and go read something. TV is nothing but propaganda/mind control and I'm not even talking about the news corporations - they are far worse.

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THE FCC AND CORPORATIONS
Posted by: thetruth07 on Apr 12, 2007 6:25 PM   
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We all know by now that the public airwaves and television is owned by corporations. We also know that to broadcast on airwaves and television you have standards and guidelines you have to adhere to. Where's the FCC? Last we heard they fined these corporations for the Janet Jackson Breast Scare!
Also it should be noted that RAPPERS DO NOT WORK FOR THE RADIO AIRWAVES THEY WORK FOR RECORD COMPANIES.
The major record companies that are owned by wealthy white males. So in essence these record companies don't really give damn about how young black boys talk about black women. It's all about profit and 80% of rap music is brought by young white teens.
Corporations control what you see and hear, so I think Americans should take back their media.
Everybody screams freedom of speech, but also with that freedom comes responsibility and a price is paid when that freedom is abused! As the saying goes "freedom isn't free".
In this country we have freedom, but we also have laws, ethics, rules and regulations 'cause without them we would have total anarchy.
So my fellow Americans when will we "free" our minds and be more active about what goes on in our government, education, medical, children's rights, environment, entertainment, etc..............

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» Imagine The Anarchy Posted by: hole11
Bad Taste, Bad Manners
Posted by: ltgbone on Apr 12, 2007 6:28 PM   
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(b4 i start, let me qualify this by stating i'm an African-American)

with respect, i think everybody's missing the point.

what Imus said was racist (see footnote)*, and it's good he was fired. but maybe just as important, it was beyond bad taste-it was bad manners.

Imus is older than i am. he certainly comes from a generation where our parents & grand-parents still felt it was important to teach us how to conduct ourselves with people, what type of behavior and language was appropriate in different situations.

one of these concepts was the idea of "mixed company"; specifically: certain behavior/language that might be acceptable in certain places (such as the boy's locker-room after basketball practice) would not pass in other situations (say, the family Thanksgiving dinner).

a nationally-syndicated broadcast by a major network is THE ULTIMATE mixed company. any and everyone can participate, at least as spectators. regardless of how popular his off-the-cuff style of communication is, Imus has been in show biz long enough to know better.

but here's the irony. when i saw the clip of Imus making the remark, i was offended. but i also thought it was funny. it just came from the wrong guy. truth be told, this is the kind of BS-ing around i could find myself doing if i was together with two or three of my VERY CLOSE MALE, AFRICAN-AMERICAN friends. i'm sure our style of speaking would stay jovial, as none of us would really think (or admit) we were indeed that sexist.

but i think i still i have manners. as soon as a female (or respected elder or young child) entered the room, we'd tone it down. and don't say it's being phony-i think it's about respect.

and THAT'S where the problem is. under the guise of free-speech, it's assumed that anyone can say anything, regardless of how offensive or dis-respectful. and it seems that media marketing now requires the content-providers to keep raising the Shock Level to see how much we can stand. if Imus wants to speak like that, let his well-connected friends start an internet radio station for him. then those that want his humor can access it, and it will be easier for the rest of us to ignore him.

but it's a different standard if his show is broadcast nation-wide by CBS & NBC. the airwaves belong to The People. and we are mixed company. so those that use the public airwaves have to act accordingly. not quite like Sunday at Grandma's, but not like the locker room.

(by the way-this is why i don't have a problem with rap lyrics. marketing requires them to make "clean" versions for radio-the really offensive stuff never makes it to the public airwaves.)

actually, i'm glad Imus is gone. i decided i had enough when he told his wife on-air (who had just had a baby) to "go milk your tities". that seemed to offend me more than any of his racists remarks. like i said: bad manners.

Peace,
loren taylor

*footnote: yes, what Imus said was racist (i'm usually offended when white people try "talking black", and think it's funny) . and yes, an African-American could say this to an African-American audience and it wouldn't be racist. this hypothetical group of friends i spoke of a few paragraphs ago might make jokes about nappy-heads, but would not make racial jokes about Hispanic or Asian, or even white people. at least not my friends.

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Learning about Black Women
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Apr 12, 2007 6:49 PM   
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What is the big deal with this? I learned everything I needed to know about how to treat Black Women from Rap Videos. Judging from their cars, bling, and their obvious attractiveness to Black Women, our Black Brothers must be doing something very right. They cast their spell and get non-stop pleasure from their women . So bring on those bumping, grinding, and ever pleasing Black beauties.

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Call me cynical, but...
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 12, 2007 7:25 PM   
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If the Rudgers womens' basketball team had WON the NCAA championship instead of losing it, the I-Man could've called the players any name he wanted and they wouldn't have cared.

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Disproportionate
Posted by: american913 on Apr 12, 2007 7:50 PM   
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It was disproportionate to fire him and good people feel it in their gut.

Unfairness breeds discontent and hatred, not healing. It was a huge mistake to push the man over the edge while he was profusely apologising, pushing him over the edge for reasons of historical slurs by a whole race no less.

Making an example of him for all the sins of other white men feels terrible in my gut. Haven't we learned that deterrence by example punishments saps community? This mob mentality to hold Imus up as an example, is at the very least, stabbing at our combined community.

Race relations will suffer for it, I'm certain of it. There'll be enough future snide remarks made in private company about people of color to make heads spin because of this.

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Spot
Posted by: jack alexander on Apr 12, 2007 8:03 PM   
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See spot.
Spot is a dog.
The End...

All of this reminds me of my college days over 20 years ago. Seems we would gather outside of one classroom with the prof. and tell jokes of all kinds. It was a very mixed group and the rule was that we were to replace certain words in the jokes to make them funny to whoever or whatever we were. We developed a great sense of humor doing this since we had learned that academia was to teach us to be tolerant of other persons and ideas.

Now, we have this situation and the city of New York trying to kill a certain word. This strikes me as the work of ignorant and intolerant people. It seems to me that this kind of thinking has brought down a great many civilisations. Germany was a prime example of this in recent times.

I ask: When shall we start burning books or go even further and burning those who attempt humor in a gas chamber or on a pyre? It looks to me that we are heading that way and I wonder why for 24 years of schooling I was even taught about freedom of speech.

Have any of you recently listened to any of the 'music' that blacks are making lately? Or that of the young white punks (skinheads)? There are other examples all of which is right at your fingertips if you are reading this.

Spot was a nice dog, but he died with our freedom of speech. I think someone somewhere, sometime will find the story of Spot offensive.

I'm mostly irish and my favorite joke is: What is the difference between and Irish wedding and an Irish wake?
ans: One less drunk...

Looking at my family and myself I can't help but roflmao!

Regards,
The End

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NEWS FLASH: After meeting with Don Imus, the Rutgers gals are deciding...
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 12, 2007 8:12 PM   
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whether or not to accept his apology.

Here's another news flash: Ladies, you didn't deserve to the win the NCAA championship!

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Much ado...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 12, 2007 8:15 PM   
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...about a sub-English vernacular.

Or, much ado about nothing at all. Happy trails Imus. Hopefully the rest of your fellow linguistic "gangstas" will join you in due course in the unemployment line, with a special place reserved for those who go beyond mere stupidity and advocate violence and subjugation of females.

Note to others: understanding and using coherent English expands your job security. Witness one Don Imus, fired from TV and radio for behaving as speaking foolishly and ignorantly, as if he were a common rap star.

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Imus and rap: makin' the bucks for the same corporations
Posted by: www.suekatz.com on Apr 12, 2007 8:23 PM   
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There's so much conflation of Imus' crap with all the sexism/racism in rap. Within the black community, there is a continuous examination of rap - books, documentaries, etc - and how the intervention of major media conglomerates turned a movement of protest and politics into something they could better sell to young white kids, something all gangsta and pimp. Those same conglomerates are raking it in from the "work" of the schlock jocks - and I don't see the same level of debate within their audiences. Those feeling victorious because Imus is (probably temporarily) fired may be missing the point. Sponsors got nervous, that's all. There's now about four media conglomerates left controlling book publishing and the visual/audio media. MSNBC didn't "see the light" - they saw the changing bottom line.

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Well, there will be no more...
Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Apr 12, 2007 10:13 PM   
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"slime us in the morning."

Can't say I'm broken hearted. However, my objections to their crudities predates the Rutgers women slur by years.

The double standard of one minute saying seventh grade things about women, minorities, gays or any other easy target, then cueing up an interview with a U.S. Senator about the surge in Iraq could not stand. Imus wanted to be the love child of Tim Russert and Howard Stern, but it doesn’t work that way.

It’s all about context Don, you’re not a comedy show when you're doing serious interviews. You're not a public affairs show when you're doing bathroom humor. Now you're not anything but a bully.

Ho no! EWM has turned the tables on the Donald:

Punishment: Imus Agrees to Become Nappy-Headed Ho

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Imus is NOT a Victim
Posted by: haystack1317 on Apr 12, 2007 11:05 PM   
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Half of these posts are the same old reverse victim "poor me" crap that has allowed people like Imus to stay on the air and earn his millions all these years. Imus is not a victim. He's NOT A VICTIM. He has finally paid a price for years of offensive statements. Have others gotten away with worse? Sure. Has he gotten away with the same types of thing for a long time? Sure. Does that mean he shouldn't pay the price this time? No way.

He's not going to jail. He's not being punished in court. He is only being punished in the "marketplace." Can he start another radio show tomorrow? Absolutely. Can he write a book about this supposed victimization and sell it all over the world? Sure. He can do whatever he wants.

Does he deserve understanding? Yes, like every other human being who makes mistakes. Does that mean he should pay no price other than a two week suspension? No. Forgiving him does not imply that he gets to do exactly what he was doing before. If you forgive an abuser, it doesn't mean standing there as if it never happened and letting them do it again if the urge comes back.

The victims here are the slandered young women. Period. They deserve nothing but praise for what they've acheived. Imagine that they were your daughters, your sisters, your wives or girlfriends. Would you tolerate it?

Imus is not the vitcim here. He has only answered to the marketplace. That's the American way, for better or worse. God knows, the "poor white male me" crowd is big enough in this country to buy a million of the book he will write about this and keep his coffers full.

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Was Imus a LaCrosse Distractions
Posted by: ddsharper on Apr 12, 2007 11:44 PM   
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Magnum didn't get her day in court. Imus was fired for speaking badly but the LaCrosse boys were supposedly exonnerated for possibly raping a black woman. There's something wrong with this picture. Was the Imus deal a planned distraction? Well if it was, it worked, and it worked well.

The rape charges against the Duke Lacrosse team were dropped by North Carolina's Attorney General? Hmmmm. Did a grand jury ever convene to determine if the evidence was credible? If they did, is it legal for an Attorney General to override it? Can an executive branch lawyer decide, independent of a grand jury, that the district attorney of the city can not go forward with a case? Again, why is no one asking these questions?

Is the Attorney General appointed by the governer or elected? In fact, is any of this legal?

If the AG can drop charges with this case, why not others? What does the law say about this?

The fact that there was no jury trial means no one can truly say these men are "innocent", or "not guilty", of the charges. No grand jury decided, based upon the evidence, as to whether or not the case was legitimate. If they did convene, then the AG overturned the checks and balances in a country that claims it is a country of laws and not of men.

Again, Magnum didn't get her day in court. Imus was fired for speaking badly but the LaCrosse boys were supposedly exonnerated for possibly raping a black woman.

I wonder if, ever in the history of the USA if a white man could ever be convicted for raping a black woman, especially in the dirty south. Doubt it, seriously.

In a good-ole-boys state, this seems fishy to me but then, I am merely a tax paying citizen. At least no right to a trial without the possible intervention of an AG.

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An excellent distraction
Posted by: jack alexander on Apr 13, 2007 2:34 AM   
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Did any of you enlightened people notice that Congress is now letting the Chimp send more men to the illegal and immoral war? Or the fact that the pentagon can now indenture the military slaves longer in that war? Or that the Israeli Air Force almost shot down an American civilian airliner because of a breakdown in communications? Or that the price of oil for the barrel went up again today? Do you know about the bomber that got past the so-called 'Green Zone' today (now yesterday) and walked into the Iraqi parliment and blew himself up. (Just how did he get through the perimeter, one wonders?)

No, you did not, you only saw Imus.... And you still don't have a sense of humor, but you should develop one since the above was only the tip of the iceberg today--and it will probably get worse.

Go ahead, scare yourself, find something to laugh about... I found lots to laugh at today and I feel great! Do you?

Regards, .... j

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Okay Got Imus--But What About McGuirk?
Posted by: sincere on Apr 13, 2007 7:02 AM   
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It is so interesting that in this entire media broo hah over Imus (who richly got what he deserved), the entire story is still told in a vacuum. Chiefly, the producer of the show, McGuirk, has gotten little heat in the mainstream press. And on the Imus show, he has a history that is smeared in racism and sexism--which Imus cheerfully joked along or attempted to be an apologist for. Looks like in the end, it finally came back to get him.

In this latest episode, it was McGuirk who first called the Rutgers players "hard-core hos." Imus chimed in. McGuirk took things a step further, and compared the Rutgers players to "Jigaboos." Sid Rosenberg would join in to call say the Rutgers women looked like the male basketball team the Toronto Raptors. This was near completely erased from mainstream media accounts--when by far, in its totality, taken altogether it was probably the most offensive. And this is very old hat for McGuirk.

From Media Matters.org:

On the March 6 2007 edition of MSNBC's Imus in the Morning, executive producer Bernard McGuirk said that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) was "trying to sound black in front of a black audience" when she gave a speech on March 4 in Selma, Alabama, to commemorate the 1965 "Bloody Sunday" civil rights march. McGuirk added that Clinton "will have cornrows and gold teeth before this fight with [Sen. Barack] Obama [D-IL] is over." Earlier in the program, in reference to Clinton's speech, McGuirk had said, "Bitch is gonna be wearing cornrows." McGuirk also said that Clinton will be "giving Crips signs during speeches." The Crips are a Los Angeles-based street gang.

Later, host Don Imus brought up McGuirk's prior impersonations of African-American poet Maya Angelou asking, "[W]ho was that woman you used to do, the poet? ... We used to get in all that trouble every time you'd do her." As McGuirk launched into the impersonation, Imus said, "I don't need any more columns. Come on." But Imus did not stop McGuirk, who delivered his impression in verse:

McGUIRK: Whitey plucked you from the jungle for too many years/Took away your pride, your dignity, and your spears/With freedom came new woes/Into whitey's world you was rudely cast/So wake up now and go to work?/You can kiss my big black ass.

While it is unclear which specific "columns" Imus had in mind, columns have appeared in New York's Newsday and The News & Observer of Raleigh, North Carolina, deriding the program for its treatment of Angelou.

In 1996 McGuirk claimed there were few blacks on Jeopardy because "Jeopardy" doesn't recruit contestants in prisons or have an affirmative action recruiter. Imus' response? A feeble, insincere "Stop that."

In 2001 sports announcer Sid Rosenberg called tennis star Venus Williams an 'animal' and said it was more likely the [Williams] sisters would be featured in National Geographic than in Playboy. Imus would fire, though later bring back, Rosenberg. But said that his remarks were not racist, just 'zoological.' "]

For those who are trying to portray Imus as some maligned innocent, looks like his chickens finally came home to roost. Perhaps he should have been more mindful of the company he keeps. And none of them--not McGuirk or Rosenberg--seem to be in the rap community.

Sin

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To the women of the Rutgers Basketball team
Posted by: mobile68 on Apr 13, 2007 7:54 AM   
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With no disrepect to the two white women on the team because white women suffer at the hand at the white man more than we know, but the following statement I'm about to post I feel is a fitting tribute to what African American women and all women have to endure living in these united states of amerikkka

Black By Popular Demand By Sean Gonsalves, AlterNet. Posted February 19, 2007. Origninated by Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ Chicago, IL

And what makes you so strong, black woman?
How is it that after 300 years of being used -- used as a toy for the slave master, as a punching bag by your own men, you could still produce a Harriet Tubman, a Sojourner Truth, a Fannie Lou Hamer, a Rosa Parks and early 20th-century millionaire Madame C.J. Walker? What makes you so strong, black woman?
How is it that after being inculcated with the idea that your skin color is ugly, your hair nappy, your lips too big and your hips too wide, that the less you look like a blonde beauty, the worse off you are, you could still produce a Josephine Baker, an Angela Bassett, a Jane Kennedy and a Pam Grier? What makes you so strong?
How is it that after being walked on and walked out on, after being portrayed as a sexless Aunt Jemima and an oversexed temptress, you could still produce a Toni Morrison, a Zora Neale Hurston, a Maya Angelou and an Oprah Winfrey?
How is it that after men, even your own men, told you were good only for housekeeping and making babies, you could still produce an educator like Mary McLeod Bethune? What makes you so strong, black woman?
How is it that after being cast as lazy welfare queens, you could still produce a sculptor like Meta Warrick Fuller and a Dr. Jane Cooke Wright, whose research led to treating cancer patients with chemotherapy and who later became the first black woman to be named associate dean of a medical school in America?
What is the source of this incredible human strength and resilience that turns victims into victors?
Thank you, black America, for the many marvelous things you have contributed to this great nation, and for reminding us of the paradoxical power of the powerless.

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I'm US
Posted by: P. Hermes on Apr 13, 2007 8:14 AM   
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I’ll make this short and sweet. There’s an Imus among us. The Imus is us; is US. The brash and clever; loud-mouthed and forceful; tasteless and insistent Imus is I and you and us and US. He is more than metaphor; he symbolizes what is amiss with us collectively and individually as citizens of the US. He is US. I’m US too; so are you. We’re all Imus.

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» RE: I'm US...No......... Posted by: ekipnrut
I say...
Posted by: nesNYC on Apr 13, 2007 9:15 AM   
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Fire all the hookas and ho toting rappers that are making the term popular FIRST before Imus gets (or had gotten) the ax.

Although I simply hate Imus' guts, I feel a distinct case of reverse discrimination at play here. The problem is the Black community looks the other way when the "hip" hop stars popularize common stereotypes prevalent in the Black community. So cause a white guys says "nappy" and "hos" in the same breath it's not okay but when black, two time hoodlum and thug gets on the mic and rants how many "hos" he can get THEN it's okay? Amerikkka needs a realty check here.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..."

eh.. someone ?!?!?!?

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» RE: I say... Posted by: sincere
» big difference Posted by: nesNYC
» RE: big difference Posted by: sincere
Face it! Hip hop is EVIL!
Posted by: nesNYC on Apr 13, 2007 10:22 AM   
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Hip hop popularized "bitches" "hos" and other assorted niceties. While I understand the roots of hatred lie within America's racist past, why engage in the behavior one supposedly seeks to avoid? Think about it!

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Speaking Truth.........A LOT of Truth....With pix!!! :O)
Posted by: ekipnrut on Apr 13, 2007 7:35 PM   
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M--S--N--B--C
Posted by: Tommie27 on Apr 13, 2007 9:20 PM   
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MSNBC--May--Speech--Never--Become--Counter-profitable

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THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST
Posted by: ranlove on Apr 14, 2007 9:37 PM   
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The fact that Don Imus got fired is nothing more than the "Chickens coming home to roost" (Remember Malcom X speaking about President Kennedy when he was killed).

Please read this article with an open mind because we are discussing some racial problems that still exist in this country.

White America and mainly the white man has made many laws and rules in america that has come back to haunt him and cause him alot of pain and suffering. The reason I say the white man mainly is because he is the one who made the laws and rules to keep his own white woman oppressed and as a second class citizen.

So now think back to some of the laws and rules that were written by white america just to keep black people in america separated and oppressed. Many of the laws in america has been written and re-written to catch the black man in his web of racism.

Please keep in mind the racism that blacks in america have lived with after white europeans crossed the boarders of america and killed millions of native american indians. They stole the land from the indians and then had the guts to call the stolen land "The United States of America".

Remember the white man stole this county from the native american indians. After europeans arrived in this county this country was never united. That was one of the main reasons there was a Civil War. So as we talk about racism and chickens coming home to roost please keep an open mind.

I will give you a few incidents that has happened in this country in the past several years that are good examples of the "chickens coming home to roost".

1. The white man decided to sue OJ Simpson in a Civil Trial even though he had been found NOT GUILTY by the court system. This created a civil case feeding frenzy in america and now look at all of the white people who has been sued in civil trials since OJ Simpson. Many of these white people would have been able to keep all of their money and riches if they were not so hungry to change the laws just to go after OJ Simpson for killing a white woman and man.

2. When Justin Timberlake pulled back Janet Jackson's top and exposed her breast the country went crazy and started making all kinds of laws and penalties for those who crossed the line in media and television. Janet was "blackballed" from appearing at any future Super Bowl events. Remember around this same time the country was in a feeding frenzy over her brother Michael Jackson. The white media in this country made so many laws and penalties targeting Janet Jackson that it has now caused Don Imus to lose his job. The censorship chickens have come home to roost.

3. The white man changed his steroid rules just because Barry Bonds was getting ready to break Babe Ruth's homerun record. This steroid rule has now brought many of baseball's white heros crumbling down. During the 1970's and 1980's baseball was approxmately 30% black. Now today in 2007 it is approxmately 8% black. Now that the steroid rule is in place don't be surprised if in the next ten years baseball will again be approxmately 30% black. The reason is that if you know baseball at the high school and college level, you will find out that the majority of the white players are taking steroids just to improve their performance and make the team. This has led to a decline in black players who otherwise would have made the team. Remember black players are naturally gifted in the areas of speed, jumping and running and the majority do not take steroids. With the use of steroids the white ball player can compete and win a spot on the team. Since there will be testing for steroids you can expect a decline in the performance of white baseball players leaving the position to be filled by a naturally gifted black baseball player. History will show you that I am correct.

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