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Imus Got His Trash Talk Pass Yanked, Now Yank it for Blacks Who Talk The Same

By Earl Ofari Hutchinson, New America Media. Posted April 10, 2007.


Why do so many blacks storm the barricades in fury against a Richards or an Imus but are stone silent, or utter only the feeblest of protests when blacks bash and trash?

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"Can U Control Yo 'H.'" The video commercial of the high priest of gangster rap Snoop Doggy Dogg demands on his CD "R&G: (Rhythm and Gangsta)." Then Dr. Dre in the cut "Housewife" on his 2001 CD "Dr Dre 2001," says, "Naw 'h' is short for honey." Next rappers Beanie Sigel says, "Watch Your 'Bs'" on his def Jam release, and 50 Cent commands, "'B' choose with me" on his 2003 top ten track P.I.M.P.

That's just a light sampling of how gangster rappers, some black filmmakers, and comedians routinely reduce young black women to "stuff," "Bs," "H's" and "MFs." Their contempt reinforces the slut image of black women and sends the message that violence, mistreatment, and verbal abuse of black women are socially acceptable.

Despite lawsuits, protests and boycotts by women's groups, gangster-themed films and rap music continue to soar in popularity. Hollywood and the record companies rake in small fortunes off of them, and so do the rappers.

Now enter shock jock Don Imus. He's the latest white guy to be transformed into a racially and gender incorrect punching bag for his Michael Richardsesque racial and gender tirade against a group of young black women. He, of course, has been verbally mugged, battered, abused, and momentarily dumped from his radio and TV show.

Imus has genuflected, no groveled, to the Reverend Al Sharpton, civil rights leaders, the Rutgers women's basketball team, begging forgiveness. Imus certainly deserves the kick in the shins that he's getting. In his very public self-flagellation, even he admitted that he rocketed way past the line of what even by the raunchy and low road standards of shock jockism is considered acceptable.

But again, Imus, as a white man that spewed racial bile, is the softest of soft targets. The same can't be said for the black rap shock jocks. They made Imus possible. They gave him the rappers bad housekeeping seal of approval to bash and trash black women.

In many ways, their artistic degradation has had even more damaging consequences for young black women. Homicide now ranks as one of the leading causes of deaths of young black females. A black woman is far more likely to be raped than a white woman and slightly more likely to be the victim of domestic violence than a white woman.

Their assailants are not white racist cops or Klan nightriders but other black males. The media often magnifies and sensationalizes crimes by black men against white women, but ignores or downplays crimes against black women. The verbal demeaning of black women has made them the scapegoats for many of the crisis social problems in American society.

What's even more galling is that some blacks cite a litany of excuses, such as poverty, broken homes, and abuse, to excuse the sexual abuse and violence of top black male artists. These explanations for the misdeeds of rappers and singers are phony and self-serving. The ones who have landed hard in a court docket are anything but hard-core, dysfunctional, poverty types. P. Diddy, who predated R. Kelly as the poster boy for music malevolence is college educated and hails from a middle-class home, typified the fraud that these artists are up-from-the-ghetto, self-made men.

The daunting puzzle then remains why so many blacks storm the barricades in fury against a Richards or an Imus but are stone silent, or utter only the feeblest of protests when blacks bash and trash? Or even worse, tacitly condone their verbal abuse?

There are two reasons for that. Blacks have been the ancient target of racial stereotypes, negative typecasting, and mockery. This has made them hypersensitive to any real or perceived racial slight from whites. That's totally understandable, and civil rights leaders are right to call the legion of other white celebrities, politicians and public figures that get caught with their racial pants hanging down on the carpet for their racial gaffes, slips, or outright verbal broadsides.

The second reason is that blacks fear that if they publicly air their dirty racial laundry it will be gleefully twisted, mangled, and distorted into a fresh round of black bashing by whites. But that's a lame reason for not speaking out, and speaking out loudly against those blacks who either out of ignorance or for profit, or both, routinely commercialize racial and gender trash talk. That failure fuels the suspicion that blacks, and especially black leaders, are more than willing to play the race card, and call a white a bigot, when it serves their interest, but will circle the wagons and defend any black who comes under fire for bigotry, or for any other malfeasance.

The same standard of racial accountability must apply whether the racial and gender offender is an Imus or a 50 Cent. When it doesn't that's a double standard and that always translates into hypocrisy. Imus got his trash talk pass yanked. Now let's yank it from those blacks who do the same, or worse.

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Earl Ofari Hutchinson is a political analyst and social issues commentator, and the author of the book, The Emerging Black GOP Majority (Middle Passage Press, September 2006), a hard-hitting look at Bush and the GOP's court of black voters.

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They Are Not Under Arrest Yet?
Posted by: hole11 on Apr 10, 2007 2:42 PM   
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How long do you think they can go with this behavior with no accountability? Blacks don't have to apologize for their language or misuse of same. They have to gain respect with their fellow peers just as you have to go in debt to attend a college like Rutgers without a basketball scholarship.

If they can't get notoriety with their mouth then what? They get dissed by everyone like a mutt. They get dogged out by their competitors. How does it look if you just walk away? Looks like you have your tail between your legs.

This discussion isn't going to change corporate America and the US armed forces view that blacks (women) have to have their hair straightened.

You can call anyone a ho. Just as you can call anyone a dick. It isn't sexist. Nappy isn't racist. It's a perception that these people will not or are not fitting in with the rest of society.

People in the public eye should be looked at with a critical eye. They should be made fun of or humiliated every once in a while. Imus or anyone.

Everytime I played basketball someone trashed talked to me and you didn't hear me say that person should be fired. LA Riots and blacks had something to say to me on racial tones. You know it's not really just the sign of the times. It's how we feel. I am not hurt. I don't hold prejudices. But we live in a competitive world and someone is always going to try to bring you down through words or action. Best to stay focused and realize the only person that is going to be made better is you because of it. It's not a tail between the legs it's not letting others becoming an obstacle to your goals.

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pt
Posted by: ptboya on Apr 10, 2007 2:52 PM   
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Though I'm happy to see Imus, who's been using racial slurs for years, be kicked in the ass, I'm happy to see this double standard discussed. When my daughter was being abused some 15 years ago by boys in the class calling her bitch and ho, I complained to the administration during a PTA meeting. I pointed out that they would never tolerate a child calling another 'nigger.' Such a transgression would demand some pretty serious reprogramming of the kid's mind. Then why tolerate similar denigration of women? To my surprise they responded by treating disrespect of the girls in the class the same way they would treat dissing of culture, ethnicity or race.
So my question here is directed to any African American reader who continues to tolerate rapper disrespect of women. Please explain why Imus = bad, rapper = good does not equate to racism. Isn't this double standard entirely rooted in culture, race and/or ethnicity?

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» RE: pt Posted by: ALANHESTER
R South
Posted by: R South on Apr 10, 2007 3:24 PM   
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What I don't understand is how people forget that people buying all this rap music are not Black people they are White people and the rich white men who are head of these record companies should bear some responsibility in the matter. I am so tired of black people being blamed for every damn thing. No body else came to this county bound in chains and degraded for hundred's of years. Damn all Black people are not worthless peice of sh**. I know plenty of hard working Black people with families and they go to work everyday and take sh** from White america on a daily basis. F*** america I am going to move to Iraq where I can get some subsidized gas, housing, food and every damn thing else this administration pay for over there. Signed a hardworking educated nappy headed ho

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pt
Posted by: ptboya on Apr 10, 2007 3:43 PM   
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Hole 11,

You strike me as being in total denial. It's really not possible for conscious humans to dismiss the meanings of language. Language is one of our most basic features. People can be injured by intolerance and disrepect as much as by violence. I think it was Douglas who said something like it is not the sting of the whip that hurts but the humiliation involved.

You repeatedly talk of tail between legs. Haven't you seen that peoples who have been discriminated against often live out thier whole lives with tails between legs? It's the humiliation that hurts. While it may provide protection of a sort to act like you're impervious to insult, it also tends to reduce sensitivity. In the end the shell you build diminishes your experience of the world. Like a turtle you become constricted, immobilized by your shell.

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Try to get the FACTS straight.........
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RE: Let's hope you learn to read and comprehend
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Mar 3, 2007 1:36 PM (in response to this comment):
I can only hope that whatever replaces hip-hop as the next trend supplants the violence that this GHETTO crap promotes with something more melodious and peaceful.
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(my citation and comment):
We critics, however, were vindicated by a study published earlier this year by the University of Chicago. Data from the "Black Youth Project'' indicated that while 58 percent of blacks
between ages 15 and 25 listen to hip-hop daily, most are dissatisfied with it. They find the subject matter is too violent, and women too often portrayed in offensive ways. Such feelings hint at a dirty little secret of the music business: Blacks are used largely to validate musical themes being marketed to the WHITE mainstream. In other words, while 90 percent of commercial rap artists on TV and radio are black, the target audience lies outside the black community.
...What part of 'WHITE' ...as in non 'ghetto' ......don't you understand??? /// Hutchinson is basically correct in his concluding two summary remarks as to the 'why' of race based Black aggression or reticence regarding response to white hate speech or Black hate rap respectively. However curtailing the proliferation of often white (corporate)
financed and marketed 'culturporn' will require complete community control of neighborhood environments that serve
to socialize and 'educate' youth ,starting with the school systems at the preschool level. The main 'players' in the mix
would have to have explained to them, in ways they can easily
grasp...'game over'. Of course they would be free to continue whatever they do as (amongst one another) consenting adults....but the choke chain(s) on them in terms of forays around the children would be of pencil girth and unrelenting.

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jets_ya
Posted by: jets_ya on Apr 10, 2007 5:48 PM   
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The second reason is that blacks fear that if they publicly air their dirty racial laundry it will be gleefully twisted, mangled, and distorted into a fresh round of black bashing by whites. But that's a lame reason for not speaking out, and speaking out loudly against those blacks who either out of ignorance or for profit, or both, routinely commercialize racial and gender trash talk. That failure fuels the suspicion that blacks, and especially black leaders, are more than willing to play the race card, and call a white a bigot, when it serves their interest, but will circle the wagons and defend any black who comes under fire for bigotry, or for any other malfeasance.

This should be published in every major newspaper across this land, and repeated by every talk show host. This should be a challenge to all concerned black parents, grandparents, and all chuch elders. The harm being pepetuated thru these noxious rap lyrics and songs, dispersed by black and white and Jewish run record companies should be challenged for whar they are: trash disguised as a life-style.

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» RE: jets_ya Posted by: ALANHESTER
Killing Free Speach as an Alternative to Action
Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on Apr 10, 2007 8:59 PM   
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Words may have a majical power to enrage and inflame; but censorship not only does not represent anything positve in terms of dealing with what amounts to institutional racism in this country, amoung other things; but it may also create problems in that it will provide a powerful weapon for silencing political dissent. Hate speach ought to be condememd, but it also ought to be just put up with--no exeptions. The alternative, and the only thing positive that will come out of censorship, is giving the powers that be the authority to define what is offensive--inveriably what's deemed offensive will be what is deemed to be a threat to those powers--i.e., sustantive criticims of, or pointing out the harm done by, Government and corporations.

Incidently, I think a lot of the current hysteria regarding "hate speach" is a symptom of hypocrisy--there's no outrage about the racial disparity in prison populations for example; there is a little from "alternative" souces, but none from the mainstream. It is easy to condem hate speach becuase we are not guilty of it, at least in public--whereas, we are all guilty, to the extent that we have political influnce, for the way society is set up (and if serious in of professed liberalism ought to be taking action to change things--many couragious individuals, who are "out of history", lost their lives during the Civil Rights era; how cowardly we, so called progressives, ie, are in comparison).

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We love being offended.
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 11, 2007 4:21 AM   
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We love the drama and we love a good witch burning. We can't wait for some big mouth to step over some arbitrary PC line so we can take his words and beat him nearly to death with them...then watch him crawl on the ground and beg our forgiveness.

It gives us a certain satisfaction...something to rally around, be self-righteous about, feel superior about. It breaks up the boredom of our daily lives.

Then we go and complain to our neighbor about the "elements" taking over our neighborhood...or how politicians are too soft on "criminals", "welfare leeches" and so on. Use the proper code words, and you're not a racist.

Good point about the double-standard. It opens up a can of worms about many other double-standards. It's a whole other discussion that could get interesting, but wouldn't be very PC.

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Yo Rev. Al, Get Serious!
Posted by: panamanyc on Apr 11, 2007 5:45 AM   
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Don't get me wrong, its Rev. Al's job to open his mouth when something like this happens. Hes got the mic and will always get people thinking.

The PROBLEM is exactly what the author notes which is Rev. Al and Gwen Ifill and others are and will be puting out little fires and whacking little weeds, when what they should be doing is uprooting it. In the long run your only fooling yourself and wallowing in complacency by not looking at the roots of the problem - where Imus got his remarks from in the first place, black rap artists.

A black rap artisits with a song in his album about "my ho" or "bitch, shut up!" is like the relationship betwen loud and New York. Its a given.

I heard the Rutgers women saying they've been traumatized by all this. Wow. And Dre, Snoop, 50 and countless others saying 10x worse for years and years hasn't?

Rev. Al, Jesse Jackson, and every black leader in earnest needs to get serious about the root causes.

Imus got those remarks directly from the mouths of the millions of black men that support this negative attitude about black women. By not saying anything just b/c rappers make millions, black leaders tacitly endorse it as well.

Don't feign innocence and come crying now. Get serious!

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Thank you
Posted by: talkville on Apr 11, 2007 7:32 AM   
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Thanks for a cogent and eminently reasonable position on this case of the exploding sound-byte. One can only hope that the tenor of this discussion prevails as opposed to what has so far been rampant on the MSM and the internet. I admire most of all the response of the Rutgers women themselves - and its a sad reflection on journalism as to the questions they elected to ask them.

A sub-text most indicative during their conference was their own expression of distress at what has been occurring for quite a long while: the instrumentalization and abuse of youth and its distribution along racial, gender and class lines. All of us supposed "adults" need to take a lesson from that team- regardless of our own race, gender or class.

And thanks again to the author for the article.

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Gee Earl
Posted by: uptownsteve on Apr 11, 2007 10:26 AM   
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Looks like you are morphing into Larry Elder Jr.

Earl, be for real.

The rappers that you mention do not regularly host the political leaders of America!!

McCain, Kerry, Dodd, Cheney and even Obama have regularly appeared on Imus's program knowing full well of the constant racism and sexism that is standard fare on his show.

And Earl why are you limiting your rage to black rappers?

I just finished watching the Academy award winning movie "The Departed".

The "N" word for blacks and the "c" word for women were used promiscuously as they are in hundreds of American films.

I'm a black man who attended college and served in the military with young white men and they are just as likelly to disrespect women with slurs like the "c" word as young blacks are with the word "ho".

So stop with the weak attempt at moral relatavism, will you?

Are you bucking for a news host job at Fox TV?

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Earl Misses-- Again!
Posted by: sincere on Apr 11, 2007 11:59 AM   
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There was a time I liked Earl Ofari Hutchinson. In the past few years however, he's starting to do the same old song and dance--showing up at any racial issue to create a circular firing squad around the black community and commence firing. He's becoming as uselessly contrarian as Stanley Crouch or Deborah Dickerson. And he does this repeatedly by simply leaving out important parts of the discussion--much like the news media.

When Michael Richards made his N-word comment, the media (and our guy Earl) focused on his use of the "n-word." What was often glossed over, were Richards references to historical lynching and even sodomy/mutiliation of black males (a time honored ritual in white racial violence). So the context is lost, and it quickly degenerates into a typical white apologist (and their black allies) stance of, "well blacks use it!" Never mind that the n-word is a white racist creation tied to black degredation, slavery, death, rape, oppression etc. and that its continued use by blacks reflects this toll this tormented legacy has on the psyche. Instead, by leaving out Richards allusions to historical real-life racial violence that is synonymous to the n-word, Earl and the mainstream media treated us to a side-show of "it's black people's fault for using it."

In this case, Imus is called to the carpet for using "nappy headed-hos." And as quickly as someone can say FOX News, white apologists were out en masse screamin bloody murder at the hypocrisy of black use of the term "ho" in music, etc. And Earl continues in this. What he and the media leave out, is the lager context of Imus's statements. Right after this offense comment, his guest McGuirk alludes that the Rutgers women are "Jigaboos" going up against "Wanabees" from the Spike Lee film School Daze (which they mistake for Do The Right Thing). And he and others and Imus go on to talk about the lack of femininity of the Rutgers players.

Of course, this larger context brings up an entirely different angle...that what we have here are several white men indulging in an age old intersection of sexism and racism that posits that black women are either sexually exotic or physically unattractive--at least in comparison to white women. The use of the term "Jigaboo" is probably more offensive than the "nappy headed hos." But it's left on the media cutting room floor. And so the conversation is simplified into, "well don't rappers use ho' too?" Because the white apologists (and Earl) would have a hard time talking about the use of "Jigaboo" in rap music.

So here we are, having a simple argument, because the media is lazy--or willfully lazy--and it seems, so is Earl.

Sin

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We're being scammed...
Posted by: greenman on Apr 11, 2007 12:42 PM   
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... by Imus and CBS. Dig: Imus makes his racist, mysoginistic remarks and is suspended for two weeks. Sponsors drop out, but for only two weeks. The tension builds... what will Imus say when he returns? After two weeks are up, Imus returns along with the sponsors, who looked good for publicly dropping him two weeks ago. Half of America tunes in, and guess what? This just happens to coincide with the beginning of ratings season What a surprise! If anyone is stupid enough to fall for this cynical stunt, they ought to be ashamed.

Greenman

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Imus, Radio Networks, Sponsors: Put Money Behind Your Apologies
Posted by: Dennis Hogan on Apr 11, 2007 12:46 PM   
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First off, Mr. Hutchinson, thank you for a very good essay on the use of language by Imus and the Rapper videos and CDs.
and the damage the careless and cruel comments engender for so many people. I do not believe that a simple "I'm sorry" from Don Imus is adequate. He has a long history of speaking to the contrary. He has been enabled in his cruel ranting, disguised as "humor" for a long time. If Imus really wants to show that he means what he says and that he will no longer accept being "enabled" in his thoughless behavior, he will be the first to ask the networks carrying his program and the sponsors supporting it to establish an endowed chair and department at Rutgers Univ. to study and affect change and support for those not so fortunate in this world. Real money will be put into helping, for example, prostitutes, their drug and alcohol addictions, and their families, particularly their children. Maybe, just maybe, over the course of the next 10 to twenty years we will see some success stories for these children. The Rappers and the Productions companies could also be expected to channel funds into this endeavor. They do it or their products will be boycotted. Why should they profit at the expense of society? It starts with us. Write Imus and his sponsors. Let them know they have some attonment to go through. Let the CD producers know there cannot be a free ride to profits at the expense of the citizens of this land.

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CONFUSION
Posted by: Tommie27 on Apr 11, 2007 2:39 PM   
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Maybe someone can correct if I am wrong but here goes--Nappy Head is a derogatory term invented by white men--Ho is a derogatory term invented by black Men--Does that not make Imus an equal opportunity racist??? I am totally confused! Tommie27

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A Proposal: National Black Women's Day
Posted by: art614 on Apr 11, 2007 4:03 PM   
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I'm an outsider "looking in" (i.e., a white guy) so please understand I'm submitting this respectfully, even though I haven't been through the black experience.

What I'd absolutely LOVE to see is a national day honoring and celebrating Black Women. I've been heartbroken for years by the abuse, both verbal and otherwise, that I hear heaped upon black women by black men in "entertainment."

I congratulate Earl Ofari Hutchinson for finally calling an end to this double standard.

Yes, Imus is despicable and he should be fired--or even better, we should call for a nationwide boycott on anyone who sponsors him so that we don't have to ask that he be fired: the advertisers will take care of that themselves.

But let's finally remove this abuse totally from its mainstream--which isn't Imus but gangsta "entertainment." And I believe the best way to do that is not to boycott this entertainment (which would be ineffective since those of us who would boycott it don't buy it int he first place). Rather, the best way is to keep showing the beauty and class and achievement of the black woman, continually and in every way we can. And I think a national day to honor black women would be a good start.

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Rappy Headed Nos
Posted by: C909 on Apr 11, 2007 5:16 PM   
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I remember Don I calling Katie Couric and Ann Curry "media sluts" on his show and wondered how does that work - particularly since they all are part of NBC. No excuses for Mr. I here but I think he's more mysognist than racist - just like his mysognist rapper peers who disrepect all women in their music and videos.

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Liberals Are Trying To Take Away Free Speech
Posted by: hole11 on Apr 11, 2007 8:04 PM   
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If you are on television or radio someone is making money off of you. I don't care if it's the University. I don't care if it's the women's basketball coach. If you are on television playing basketball for free, you are someone's ho. I don't care what kind of hair you have either. Straight, nappy, bald, pink, dirty, burnt or extensions you are still a ho.

Now anyone who doesn't understand that understand this: In other countries they will fine you or put you in jail if you ridicule the king, official or nearly anyone else in the press or in public. Ever wonder why British and German humor is so dry (France too) it's because they don't have the same freedom of speech as we do. Anyone who thinks we should just start firing or making laws to limit ridicule (I don't care if you are the pope you need to be made fun of for kissing the ground or wearing stupid dunce hats) is trying to destroy our constitution and our freedoms.

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» Remember Donahue? Posted by: DavidTbone
» RE: emember Donahue? Posted by: hole11
Try being a black female construction electrician
Posted by: mobile68 on Apr 11, 2007 9:08 PM   
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Try being a black female construction electrician.

If you really want to see some hate against women, go on a construction site. Or in any other male-dominated field where women are the in the minority. The hate increases when the skin of the female gets darker.

The sad part that nobody addressed in this post discussed is how women in this x-tian-democratic-freeist-society-in-the-world called the u.s.a. are still being discriminated against in the work place by mainly white men, since women were finally allowed to work jobs that are not low-paying and female dominated only 30+ years ago.

Women cannot or will not ban together to put a stop of this kind of behavior in the work place because of the fear of losing their only source of legit income.

So whatever the rappers are saying about women, though it is wrong and it seems that it is the only way to get a record deal is to put a black face on it, it has not affected me earning a living yet. It's the racism and misogony that have and is still being practiced by white men through out history that affects my bottom line.

My how we have progressed.

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» I Agree Posted by: hole11
Try being a black female construction electrician
Posted by: mobile68 on Apr 11, 2007 9:09 PM   
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Try being a black female construction electrician.

If you really want to see some hate against women, go on a construction site. Or in any other male-dominated field where women are the in the minority. The hate increases when the skin of the female gets darker.

The sad part that nobody addressed in this post discussed is how women in this x-tian-democratic-freeist-society-in-the-world called the u.s.a. are still being discriminated against in the work place by mainly white men, since women were finally allowed to work jobs that are not low-paying and female dominated only 30+ years ago.

Women cannot or will not ban together to put a stop of this kind of behavior in the work place because of the fear of losing their only source of legit income.

So whatever the rappers are saying about women, though it is wrong and it seems that it is the only way to get a record deal is to put a black face on it, it has not affected me earning a living yet. It's the racism and misogony that have and is still being practiced by white men through out history that affects my bottom line.

My how we have progressed.

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Try being a black female construction electrician
Posted by: mobile68 on Apr 11, 2007 9:09 PM   
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Try being a black female construction electrician.

If you really want to see some hate against women, go on a construction site. Or in any other male-dominated field where women are the in the minority. The hate increases when the skin of the female gets darker.

The sad part that nobody addressed in this post discussed is how women in this x-tian-democratic-freeist-society-in-the-world called the u.s.a. are still being discriminated against in the work place by mainly white men, since women were finally allowed to work jobs that are not low-paying and female dominated only 30+ years ago.

Women cannot or will not ban together to put a stop of this kind of behavior in the work place because of the fear of losing their only source of legit income.

So whatever the rappers are saying about women, though it is wrong and it seems that it is the only way to get a record deal is to put a black face on it, it has not affected me earning a living yet. It's the racism and misogony that have and is still being practiced by white men through out history that affects my bottom line.

My how we have progressed.

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Thanks, Earl
Posted by: sid white on Apr 12, 2007 7:46 AM   
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I was happy to see this essay appear. I live in northern NE, and can't even pretend to know the black experience, but this seems to be symptom of a much-broader problem - lack of Mutual Respect. Throughout all of these Comments, the word "respect" has yet to appear. Let's try to find something positive in our life experiences so that we are not referring to one another as Mr. Imus did. My congratulations to the Rutgers women's basketball team. They have made their school and their fans just as proud as their football team did. Men and women, black and white, co-workers and strangers ALL deserve respect UNLESS they have done something to deserve disrespect - AS DON IMUS DIS'D when he used this language for self-exploitation as entertainment. We need to regain a Civil Society. I know I don't live in the "Real World" - Your World, but try to greet someone today with a smile, say Hi to your neighbor, and believe in yourself and others that something better is possible than the World that we are currently creating that fosters this type of circus as BOTH news and entertainment!

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misses the point
Posted by: PaulLev on Apr 12, 2007 9:53 AM   
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rappers make general comments about elements of society ... Imus was specifically attacking individual, real people ... there's a world of difference between general language, be it cursing, rapping, whatever, and singling specific real people out for racist and sexist insult... Memo to Michelle Malkin re: Don Imus and rap

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» RE: misses the point Posted by: xconservative
Cheap Article:
Posted by: John Hyperion on Apr 12, 2007 10:46 AM   
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This article is as cheap and irrelevant as O'Reilly's recent attempts to turn a drunk driving incident into an attack on illegal immigration. It's lazy and thoughtless to take you're pre-conceived issues with Hip Hop and insert them into this story.

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White Players/Black Players
Posted by: 15delta on Apr 12, 2007 10:55 AM   
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I thought I saw white women at the news conference also.
I don't remember hearing white and black ho.
In fact I didn't hear black ho.
Can someone direct me to the words that caused all this harm to the blacks?
Also just who has the tatoos?

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The Same for all
Posted by: Hodger_99 on Apr 12, 2007 2:43 PM   
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Pull Savage for bashing Gays- Coulter for Liberals!!

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Consistent rules matter
Posted by: lamar on Apr 12, 2007 4:54 PM   
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I disagree with Mr. Hutchinson re: firing Imus or any of these trash talking DJs. However, if the rule is that we're going to fire people who cross the line, then we have to apply that rule to all. I salute that consistency.

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To answer your question, Earl...
Posted by: neptune on Apr 12, 2007 8:12 PM   
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Black people - really to be accurate, we should say black folk who are descended from slaves - have not had their needs met for so long (wrongly so, I might add), that they have developed an almost pathological sense of entitlement, where the rules of civility that apply to everyone else, somehow do not apply to black folk. And lord, look out if anyone should call them on this. You're met with indignation and anger, from the likes of con men like Al Sharpton, as if the whole world owed black folk what it is they really need to find within themselves. To answer your question, Earl, it's called integrity.

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It's really not about rappers
Posted by: macktan on Apr 12, 2007 9:14 PM   
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The finger of blame goes round and round--the true culprits seem to get off scott free. Yes, rappers--mostly gangsta' rappers--present a hardcore view of life in which men dominate their butt-shaking hos. But in our universe of power, just how well known and influential are these performers? Black people are only 12% of the population in the U.S. Now of that number, how many are rappers who actually cut records and videos? About 0.001%? About 10 or 15 black men are professional, visible rappers. The others are wannabe's who cut beats in their basements. Are you trying to tell me that these 10 or 15 rappers are so influential that they have twisted Don Imus? An entire nation? Give me a break. Do you really accept that bs running through the media that rappers have corrupted Don Imus and all of society? If anything, their lyrics have only provided updated vocabulary for the same old s..t.

The problem with white people calling black people these names is that it represents a point of view toward a minority group that happens to be largely dependent on the resources of the majority culture for jobs, housing, schooling, etc. What person of color will feel MSNBC is a good place to work, to develop a career, to find mentors if the managers are allowed to call people jigaboos and nappy headed hos? Who would likely hire somebody that is viewed as a jigaboo? What kind of schooling would a black kid get from a teacher who sees blacks as cleaning ladies and spear chuckers?

Sure, rappers need to change their ways. But rappers don't run multi-national corporations, hire and fire, manage schools, run governments. They don't have daily talk shows that influence public policy, elections, and laws. They don't own the air waves. They don't have any impact on my path in life; they don't limit my options.

A couple of months ago, I ranted and raved about Eddie Murphy's Norbit movie. I and many other black women all over the nation were deeply offended by his monster mammy Rasputia, a grotesque version of the old Aunt Jemima stereotype. Who cared? Dreamworks responded to the outcry by stating that the movie was well received in focus groups, so there was no problem with pasting a 20 foot tall monster mammy on billboards all over the country during black history month. The movie made $30 million dollars its first weekend. Where were Rev Rough and Rev Smooth then in their newfound chivalry toward black women? Who paid a visit to Brother Murphy and told him that his movie was not cool? I contend that Rasputia was much more hurtful than Imus's silly routine.

There's just too much hypocrisy in this Imus mess to make me feel that any meaningful public debate or action is taking place. I can't believe that MSNBC or CBS suddenly discovered the things Imus was saying on his program. How often had Imus been warned? officially counseled? How had MSNBC and CBS been handling this situation all these years?

You know, over the past year, I've tried to contact the Reverends about real problems affecting our community. Jackson has never responded. Sharpton--well, he doesn't even provide a way for people to get in touch with him. They wait until CNN does a story, then rush to the scene. If your problem doesn't have media coverage, forget it.

Time for new leadership, people. I say retire the reverends; elect Barack Obama.

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Sharpton: Call BET
Posted by: edith on Apr 13, 2007 5:39 AM   
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When will Rev Al be demanding that programmers at BET, who consistently run videos that use the identical language Imus was canned for, be fired?

Howzabout Never?

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farmerjohn
Posted by: dutchfarm on Apr 13, 2007 5:44 AM   
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This is all ridiculous, the very bottom line is we have free speech in this country and if you do not like what is being said ,change the station or channel, it is as simple as that! I can't stand to watch Pat Robertson( for just one example), he cheats old ladies out of their money, is a racist, and a very close minded individual. Do I think he should be taken off the air? NO!! I just change the channel and I do not have to hear his insane ramblings:>) As easy as that!! There is no compromise on the constitutional guarantee of freedom of speech. But of course we could become more fascist and control all speech, people, GROW UP!!!

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» RE: farmerjohn Posted by: Raitan
What else the media is missing
Posted by: Raitan on Apr 13, 2007 7:16 AM   
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...the only thing I'd like to add is that I got the distinct feeling that Imus and company were exercising a bit of ethnic resentment. Here we have a traditionally lily white school, Rutgers, being represented in a national basketball championship by African American women. The fact that they commented on the women's physical appearance was, of course, sexist, but I think that they were resentful that a "white" school like Rutgers can't muster white women to represent them in an athletic competition (the same could be said for TN perhaps, but Rutgers has to more ivy rep). Much has been made about the word "ho," but I think what took the conversation deep into the double upper cuts of racism and sexism was the use of the term "nappy-headed ho"--this invokes stereotypes of black women being unappealing compared to white women, and of course one of the standards of beauty is the distinction in hair texture--nappy being ugly, straight and fine texture being white and lovely...the comments that Imus' crew makes afterwards substantiate that this is what they had in mind, hence the jigaboo and wannabe reference...I too used to like Earl Ofari Hutchinson's column--now he is just Larry Elders light

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» Sorry, what? Posted by: NthnBrazil
Point taken... but...
Posted by: Ghoulman on Apr 13, 2007 8:48 AM   
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.. let's remember Ismus was a nationally syndicated radio host... not a rapper.

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