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The 'Silent' Ninth Amendment Gives Americans Rights They Don't Know They Have

By Daniel A. Farber, Basic Books. Posted April 23, 2007.


The First Amendment right of free speech and the Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination are well-known, but the Ninth Amendment is ignored. Pity, because it bears directly on abortion, the right to die and gay rights.
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The following is an excerpt from Daniel A. Farber's forthcoming "Retained by the People: The 'Silent' Ninth Amendment and the Constitutional Rights Americans Don't Know They Have" (Perseus Books, 2007), available April 30.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. --The Ninth Amendment
Everyone knows about the First Amendment right of free speech and the Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination. Even the once-forgotten Second Amendment, with its "right to bear arms," has reemerged in public debate. But few people know about the Ninth Amendment, which reaffirms in broad terms rights "retained by the people." Indeed, the Ninth flies so far under the radar that it has rarely been mentioned even by the Supreme Court.

What a pity. Even more, what a terrible oversight: the Ninth Amendment bears directly on such modern-day constitutional issues as abortion, the right to die, and gay rights.

The Ninth Amendment is key to understanding how the Founding Fathers thought about the liberties they expected Americans to enjoy under the Constitution. They did not believe that they were creating these liberties in the Bill of Rights. Instead, they were merely acknowledging some of the rights that no government could properly deny.

The history of the Constitution reveals the purpose of the Ninth and the Founders' intent: to protect what constitutional lawyers call unenumerated rights -- those rights the Founder assumed and felt no need to specify in the Bill of Rights. Unenumerated rights include, for example, the right to privacy. In the America of today, unenumerated rights account for freedoms like a woman's right to abortion. ...

The truth is that anyone interested in the political and legal issues of the day can and should look to the Ninth Amendment for guidance.

The Ninth Amendment is paired with an almost equally forgotten provision, the Privileges or Immunities Clause (P or I Clause) of the Fourteenth Amendment, which draws from the same intellectual roots. The Ninth Amendment is like the rest of the original Bill of Rights: it speaks only to limits on federal power rather than to the powers of state governments. Limitations on state governments came along later, with the post-Civil War Fourteenth Amendment. Thus, the Ninth Amendment addresses the federal government; the Fourteenth addresses the states.

The human rights vision that survived the Civil War and was confirmed by the Fourteenth Amendment consciously complements that of the Founders. Confronting what these provisions really mean has the potential to reshape the way we think about the Constitution.

In particular, a look at this history helps us address the very controversial question of Supreme Court reliance on foreign law. The Framers thought that fundamental rights were embedded in what they called "the law of nations," and we should follow their lead in seeking inspiration abroad. However, their openness to foreign law is not universally shared today. When Justice Kennedy referred to foreign law in two judicial opinions on the issues of homosexuality and the death penalty, he was subject to an onslaught of criticism from legal commentators. Many of those same commentators question whether the United States is bound by international human rights laws, such as the Geneva Convention's prohibitions on mistreatment of prisoners. ...

The Ninth Amendment and the debate over fundamental rights

Standing alone, the Ninth Amendment does not make any specific law unconstitutional. It is an explanation, not a command -- like the FAQs found on many Web sites. In this case, the Frequently Asked Question is: "The Bill of Rights provides a list of specific rights that are protected from invasion by the federal government. Does this mean that the federal government can violate other rights if they aren't on the list?" The Ninth answers, "No. The Bill of Rights is not complete. Other rights exist, and the federal government must respect them." Indeed, as a supporter of the Constitution pointed out at the Pennsylvania ratification convention, "Our rights are not yet all known," so an enumeration was impossible. While it is true that history often fails to provide clear proof of what the Framers believed, there are exceptions. The Ninth Amendment is one of them.

How is all this playing out on our most vital constitutional front, the Supreme Court, today? The Court is sharply divided over whether the Constitution provides broad protection for human rights and just what those rights are. On one side have been those Justices who believe that the Constitution does give such broad protection--not just to those freedoms explicitly listed in the Bill of Rights but to other fundamental aspects of liberty. In honoring not merely the Framers' text but the intent behind it, these Justices have supported, for example, the right to abortion, the right of gays to have sexual relationships, and the right to die. More generally, these Justices have proclaimed: "At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life."

These Justices also honor the Framers' intent by looking beyond our national borders to seek the parameters of liberty. For example, in striking down a Texas law against homosexual conduct, the Court found it significant that the right to engage in homosexual relationships has "been accepted as an integral part of human freedom in many other countries." On today's bench, Justice Stevens has been a leading advocate of this view. However, its most influential voice is that of the more conservative Justice, Anthony Kennedy. Kennedy, a Reagan appointee, has become the bête noire of movement conservatives because he has so firmly defended basic rights and linked those rights to international law.

The opposing side is led by Justice Antonin Scalia, another Reagan appointee. As a former law professor at the University of Chicago and the University of Virginia, and now as a judge, Scalia has spent years working out an elaborate constitutional theory of originalism. He has consistently dissented from the entire line of human rights cases, arguing that abortion, gay rights, and end-of-life decisions should all be left entirely to the political process. This is a view that has powerful backing outside the Supreme Court. President Bush has renewed calls for strict construction of the Constitution (by which he means strict limits on individual rights, but apparently not strict construction of the powers of the Presidency!).

More extremist views, replete with threats of impeachment or other unprecedented actions to rein in judges, can be found in Congress and among the Right's cultural leadership. Nothing is more anathema to these critics than the Court's reliance on foreign judicial precedents as a source of guidance in interpreting the Constitution. Justice Scalia warned of the Court's "dangerous" references to foreign law, adding that "this Court ... should not impose foreign moods, fads, or fashions on Americans." He and his fellow critics see no connection between broader conceptions of human rights and constitutional law. They refuse to look seriously at what the Framers believed, how they saw the world.

Some conservatives also seemingly misunderstand the very idea of constitutional rights. Are basic rights like free speech or privacy created by the U.S. Constitution? For many conservatives, these rights are merely the historical product of particular language adopted a century or two in the past; they have no broader roots or implications. If so, Justice Kennedy was surely wrong in the Texas sodomy case when he examined a much broader range of sources, including how states interpret their own constitutions, the actions taken by state legislatures to decriminalize sodomy, and the rulings of international tribunals. These sources are relevant only if we ask a broader question: "Are there good grounds for considering this to be a basic human right?" If that is the question, then actions by state legislatures, state judges, and international human rights tribunals are all persuasive authorities. The Founders certainly understood the law of nations and basic liberty in this way.

Rephrasing the question in these terms also rebuts another powerful argument against providing constitutional protection for human rights. Justice Scalia and others have argued that going beyond the specifics of the Bill of Rights would give the Supreme Court unlimited discretion to decide what parts of liberty are fundamental. This was the real concern that led Judge Bork to call the Ninth Amendment an inkblot: the fear that if we paid any attention to the Ninth Amendment at all, we would be mesmerized into giving the federal judiciary a blank check. This is much less problematic if the courts are guided by a broader community of opinion, including our own state decision makers as well as international authorities.

To see what is at stake, consider a 1927 Supreme Court case that upheld compulsory sterilization. The Virginia statute involved in the case established a procedure for sterilizing people with mental retardation who lived in state institutions, based on the idea that mental disability was inherited. The statute was challenged by a woman who was about to be sterilized. As later historical research revealed, she actually did not have a mental disability at all; she simply had been sent to an institution by her foster parents because she had become pregnant. In any event, the Supreme Court could not see any problem with the Virginia statute: "It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. ... Three generations of imbeciles are enough." By 1935, over twenty thousand forced sterilizations had been performed in the United States as a result of this decision.

If mainstream conservatives like Bork and Scalia are right, there is no constitutional barrier to these laws, because the Framers failed to predict this abuse and explicitly ban it. This is exactly the kind of reasoning that the Ninth Amendment was designed to guard against. A better understanding of the Ninth Amendment can do a great deal to clarify the current debate over fundamental rights, laying a firm foundation for the views of Justice Kennedy and other leading judges. Correspondingly, a true understanding of the Ninth Amendment is deadly to Justice Scalia's position.

Libertarians, who dislike government regulation of all kinds, agree with part of my argument, and I have found much of their historical research useful. They, too, would find the Amendment to be a source of real legal guidance. But they swing too far in the opposite direction from conservatives like Scalia. While Scalia wants the Ninth Amendment to protect nothing, the libertarians want it to protect virtually everything. They see in it the basis of a revolutionary return to the small government ideas of the early nineteenth century. But this is a gross overreading of the Amendment. It was meant to protect fundamental human rights, not just the right to do whatever you want whenever you want.

...[H]ere are some of the things I believe are among the unenumerated rights protected by the Constitution under the Ninth Amendment, backed up by the Fourteenth:

• The right to engage in private sexual acts between consenting adults. The Supreme Court was completely correct to strike down state sodomy laws.
• The right of reproductive autonomy, including the use of contraceptives and access to abortion as well as freedom from forced sterilization. Abortion is not an absolute right. The state can regulate to protect potential life, particularly later in pregnancy, so long as the burden placed on the pregnant woman is not too severe.
• The right to an adequate basic education. The Supreme Court has explicitly rejected this as a fundamental constitutional right, but many state courts have interpreted their state constitutions to protect this right. The Supreme Court would do well to follow their lead.
• The right to travel within the United States and to enter and leave the country freely (subject to clearly demonstrated national security needs).
• The right to government protection from private violence: when the government knows of the violence and has the resources to deal with the problem, it cannot simply sit on its hands. The Supreme Court has ruled that the state has every right to sit by while a Libertarians, who dislike government regulation of all kinds, small boy is beaten into a permanent coma by his father, even though the state knows all about what is going on. I would overturn that decision.
• The right to refuse unwanted medical treatment, including the right of terminally ill patients to reject life support.

But not everything is protected as a fundamental right. Here are some things that are not:

• The right of a terminally ill patient to prescribed medication with which to commit suicide.
• The right of businesses to be free from government regulation of their contracts with employees and customers.
• The right of individuals to use their property however they want, without regard to the public interest.

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Daniel A. Farber is Sho Sato Professor of Law and Director of the Environmental Law Program at California University at Berkeley and author of many books, including most recently, Retained by the People: The 'Silent' Ninth Amendment and the Constitutional Rights Americans Don't Know They Have" (Perseus Books, 2007).

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Posted by: timebomb734 on Apr 23, 2007 1:07 AM   
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It would have been nice if the author explained how the rights he deemed "covered" by the ninth amendment are actually protected, while other items that seemingly are rights as well are not.

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» RE: The Ninth Amendment Grants Nothing! Posted by: Michael Boldin
» Absolutely Correct! Posted by: Sparks56
So basically...
Posted by: rwday@cox.net on Apr 23, 2007 3:29 AM   
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The Ninth Amendment protects those things which Farber agrees with and not the things he doesn't. How convenient.

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» RE: So basically... Posted by: yellow
This author makes no sense...
Posted by: EagleMB on Apr 23, 2007 3:35 AM   
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The author clearly states that there is a limit to the 9th Amendment, but then arbitrarily proclaims some things worthy of its protection, and other things unworthy.

The prevailing view of the 9th Amendment is that it guarantees that the rights provided by the Constitution are not the only rights that Americans are entitled to have. In other words, it allows the government to give rights not enumerated in the Constitution, but it does not guarantee any rights in and of itself.

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» RE: This author makes no sense... Posted by: MartianBachelor
» no wonder... Posted by: bornxeyed
» Prevailing View? Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: Prevailing View? Posted by: EagleMB
Sense and Nonsense
Posted by: heid on Apr 23, 2007 4:37 AM   
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The author points out a compelling issue: the value of the Ninth Amendment. However, he is quite arbitrary in how he would apply it and offers no explanations.

One specific: Why doesn't he believe a terminally ill person should be entitled to drugs to commit suicide? In point of fact, choosing this issue as an exception is so arbitrary as to be absurd, to virtually nullify everything else written.

Although I agree with the other two exceptions the author believes should be exempt from inclusion as civil rights, it does not alter the fact that the author has completely destroyed any sense in his article by arbitrarily stating that they are not rights.

Even his list of implied rights leaves much to be desired. Here he includes the right to abortion, but then states it isn't absolute - but he doesn't justify either point.

In fact, a careful reading of the entire article shows few arguments to support his view. What does a justice's interest in whether foreign law and practices should be considered have to do with the issue?

This is truly a sorry article to have posted on such a basic and significant issue as the Ninth Amendment.

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Unenumerated rights have a moral basis
Posted by: Democritus on Apr 23, 2007 4:37 AM   
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Farber is not being inconsistent when he lists those things that the Ninth Amendment does and does not protect as rights. Those it protects have a basis in the "law of nations"--fundamental human rights; whereas those it does not go counter to common morality. Leges Sine Moribus Vanae. Laws that have no common moral backing are indeed useless.

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Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Apr 23, 2007 7:06 AM   
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The author makes sense to me, and has brought up a revolutionary idea, still pertinent today, and has shown legal backing with the 9th amendment. The intellectual roots go back to the enlightenment which acknowledged the rights of people. This idea flies in the face of power hungry authoritarian types from King George of England to the presently reigning King George of America. We the People is a wonderful, constitutional and revolutionary idea, enshrined in international, foreign and domestic, "law of nations." The rub comes in the interpretation. Questions of abortion and euthenasia are far down the ladder of consequence. See "Money Masters" for an example of how this revolutionary principle of power residing with the People has been subverted by the new royalists, international bankers and their henchmen. The 9th amendment is a godsend for liberals truly concerned about truth and justice. RBB supports a universal people constitution outlined in The Lover Government.

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Nice topic. Shame the self-righteous author grinds dumb axes.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 23, 2007 7:30 AM   
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The topic was right on. The importance of the ninth ammendement is often overlooked.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the state has every right to sit by while a Libertarians, who dislike government regulation of all kinds, small boy is beaten into a permanent coma by his father, even though the state knows all about what is going on.

Shame the author chose to use this topic in part to vent against "a Libertarians" (??) who hold that one of the few valid duties of the Peoples' government is to protect the life and property of the citizens against harm by criminals.

The author discredits his thesis by grinding dumb axes.

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» It was a typo... Posted by: bornxeyed
Arbitrary? How Do You Know? The Article Is A Book Excerpt!
Posted by: thirdmg on Apr 23, 2007 7:47 AM   
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To those who criticize the author for being arbitrary about which rights should be covered under the Ninth Amendment, note that the article is an excerpt from a book. That means that you're making a judgment based only on a portion of the author's argument. Isn't it reasonable to expect that the author might go on in the remainder of the book to explain and defend his assertions?

Essentially, the excerpt is a tease to make you interested in reading the book.

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Republicans hate America.
Posted by: CriminallySane on Apr 23, 2007 8:06 AM   
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They want to destroy the Constitution, and have been working assiduously for decades towards finding cracks to exploit, pitting sets of rights against others, denying any measure of responsibility (except for when it's someone else who has to take up that responsibility), and now, under Mad King George, they reveal their true agenda - a return to feudal times. It's enough to make me wonder if sick little George is getting ready to begin scanning wedding announcements under the guise of jus primae noctis.

Republicans hate freedom, especially for others. Thus their "free speech zones" (the Orwellian term for fenced-off areas miles from where anything is happening) and their Wagstaffian* attitude towards anything that originates in the mind of another. ("Whatever it is, I'm against it!")

The Ninth Amendment must truly be apoplexy-inducing in many Republican quarters, and they surely give thanks every day for their "vision" to first gut the educational system in ways that virtually guarantee that no one is likely every to have heard of, let alone read, the thing.

* See Marx, Groucho

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» free speech zones Posted by: MartianBachelor
» RE: free speech zones Posted by: YogiBear
...Unalienable Right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness...
Posted by: channing on Apr 23, 2007 8:19 AM   
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This is the clearest statement of "unenumerated rights".

What ever happened to this little blurb as a "lens" through which to construe our founding document, our historical definition of "Liberty", you know, the one the whole world recognized more or less as a virtue, and which was rewarded with a Statue of Liberty? This is not a "grant given", but a "limit to" governing powers.

In my humble opinion, the entire purpose and validity of the US Constitution rests with this insight. If I am not interfering with anyone else's right to life, liberty or pursuit of happiness, how can I be restricted from what I am doing? And does it not also plainly clarify that the role of government of, by and for the People is limited to mediating the "peace" by discerning and protecting us from each other's tendency to interfere with other's "liberty"?

This foundational Constitutional element has been steadily forced aside in the interest of "morality", through sex and drug laws in all their basic forms. This includes abortion, prostitution, right-to-die, private drug use, private medical decisions of every sort, marriage-laws etc.,.

It has also succumbed to the pressures of corporate-law, in essence, granting profit-seeking entities the same, equal standing under the law as the People! This has reduced us to a "mass of interests", where statistics are used to invade and excise innumerable restrictions, "because seat-belts save lives", and other dictatorial prowess. The distorted nature of corporate-law in this country has also led to the ravaging of the environment and the shielding of criminally-destructive people, in the name of "legal" profits, from accountability.

Getting back to basics will require a top to bottom soul-search of what it means to have liberty on Earth, but we need look no farther than the "unenumerated" and "unalienable" first paragraph of our own universally-recognized founding document!

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He Who Controls the Money...
Posted by: mite on Apr 23, 2007 8:41 AM   
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controls the law. What is a sovereign person? What is a citizen? We-The-People of these united-50-States better find out the difference between a sovereign person and a citizen.

We-The-People of these united States were sovereign people until 1868. Between 1868 and now our elected officials in Federal, State, and local governments gave all sovereignty to International and U.S. Bankers.

We call it "The Federal Reserve" a private corporation that our Congress gave away our Gold and coining of money to0.

From birth to our death we belong to these banks. We better get our Gold back and demand Congress to destroy the Federal Reserve. U.S. Constitution Article 1, Section 8...

USAvsUS

www.givemeliberty.org www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers

www.lawfulpath.com www.freedomtofascism.com

www.americapolicy.org www.worldnetdaily.com www.devvy.com

The corporate media-press will not let us know the truth.

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RE: only in the mind of liberals, baby killers and homos....
Posted by: TheNamelessCity on Apr 23, 2007 9:11 AM   
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Yeah just another psychotic religious wingnut you are, secretly screwing children in the name of your fake gods no doubt. Oh and what does "origional" mean? Look up your spellings, wacko.

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Inflammatory language aside...
Posted by: Philip Newton on Apr 23, 2007 9:15 AM   
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The Constitution has essentially become a punching bag, buffeted by the Right and the Left in their attempts to pummel their views into the sacred instrument.

Wisely, the Framers created a structure that would guide jurisprudence and grass-roots activism for generations. That we have the freedom to debate and strain over the subject of rights and powers is a tribute to our Framers' genius.

Not necessarily ours.

I am posting this below as well.

Phil

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Thomas Jefferson was a liberal, in spite of your perversion of the term.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 23, 2007 9:21 AM   
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Habeus corpus used to ensure an important liberty, before conservatives like Mr. Bush decided it didn't really apply to some citizens. Conservatives used to know how to build and keep a strong military--regardless of the arguments for and against. The pentagon used to war-game strategies to fight and win major wars two disparate fronts, rather than bog the country down on grand social experiments and "nation building" among people who do not like us.

Modern day conservatives decried tax-and-spend, and then decide to just spend-and-spend...and-spend...and spend... At least old-school conservatives understood the government money is really the people's money, and that government debt is really the people's debt.

Piss and moan about important things like where your neighbor wants to put his naughty bits all you want. Your railing against "liberals"--among those our founders who insisted on the very liberal idea that a free people should be able to arm themselves--doesn't hold water.

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RE: only in the mind of liberals, baby killers and homos....
Posted by: AlienSlave on Apr 23, 2007 10:09 AM   
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There are no states left to rise up against the Federal Government; reason they are dependant upon Federal money to stay in business.
AlienSlave

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RE: only in the mind of liberals, baby killers and homos....LOL
Posted by: salam-mander on Apr 23, 2007 11:48 AM   
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"Only in the mind of violent hypocrites,religious fanatics....would the 9th amendment be construed to mean whatever proselytizing,hateful activities you and your ilk want as "constitutional"....but then again "w" bush is a "baby killer" as you so tactfully put it but in his case it applies well,so; yes, i'm for stopping his interpretations of the law,lest more BORN children die for his lies!!! As far as "liberals and homos" you are entitled to your beliefs as long as you do not force them on others-the 9th grants them to you- but i don't see how other peoples sexuality threatens your freedom.Most liberals i know are working to ensure that all have equal rights(though yes, some of them are whiny zealots) ....okay...take a deep breath....as long as they are not hurting anyone!!! A great deal of child molesters are catholic priests...as far as i know they were not "homos" but RELIGIOUS sexual repression led them to their actions.So in conclusion...turn one of those guns you love so much on yourself if you are so miserable dealing with "baby killers,homos and liberals"."Yip yap rattletrap,prating noisy pest-stuff a bullet in your mouth and let my poor ears rest!"

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Speed bag constituution
Posted by: Philip Newton on Apr 23, 2007 9:16 AM   
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The Constitution has essentially become a punching bag, buffeted by the Right and the Left in their attempts to pummel their views into the sacred instrument.

Wisely, the Framers created a structure that would guide jurisprudence and grass-roots activism for generations. That we have the freedom to debate and strain over the subject of rights and powers is a tribute to our Framers' genius.

Not necessarily ours.

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My rebuttal to Liberalibrarian who criticized me in this thread for promoting King-George.biz
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 23, 2007 12:02 PM   
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Visit the investigative website and you will read an explanation for my one-man NONPROFIT campaign, as follows:

“Unfortunately for voters in 2004 who deserved to know about Dub-ya's bogus bio, not one U.S. paper or media outlet carried the story. Why? Because the Globe article was published on a Saturday. Apparently back then, people in the news business took weekends off instead of serving the public good.”

To help make up for the media’s failure, I comment on four different blogs daily and always end them with a reference to King-George.biz.

Yesterday I had the most hits ever: 44,357. So my campaign which Liberalibrarian objects to for some reason is working.

Previously, in 2004, to spread the word about Bush’s phony Guard history, I wrote and self-published “George Dub-ya Bush: THE PHONY FIGHTER PILOT.” Today, I am 80% finished with my second Bushwhacking work, “LIAR-in-CHIEF,” which will update my first book

To avoid writer’s block, I comment on four blogs daily starting at three a.m. local time. Futhermore, to publicize the Boston Globe story, I religiously attend MoveOn.org meetings (I’m a four-year member) and tell attendees about Bush’s bogus bio. I also pass out fliers at speeches in my community by notable persons like Scott Ritter, Robert Scheer and next month, Ambassador Joe Wilson.

Finally, because PHONY FIGHTER PILOT wasn’t published until September 2004, I spent several thousand dollars launching Internet press releases that month. I also devoted two weeks of energy emailing and faxing over 500 U.S. newspapers and every Democratic member of Congress. Had my name been "Bob Woodward," John Kerry would’ve have slam-dunked the 2004 election.

Nearly $10,000 in the hole, 71 years old and no way of recovering the loss, I don’t know how much longer I can maintain my one-man campaign against Shrub, but I’ll damn sure die trying, despite objections by stealth Bushies such as Liberalibrarian. If AlterNet attracts just one NEW visitor a day, the effort will be worth it.

Hugh E. Scott, Mayflower descendant, Vietnam veteran, ex-USAF pilot, registered Republican since 1956, Goldwater conservative and ardent Kerry supporter in 2004 with a family history of honorable military service going back to 1776.

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Read the book why not?
Posted by: VagusDoc on Apr 23, 2007 12:07 PM   
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Dudes we just got an excerpt here. Shouldn't you read a book before you review it?

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Yes, but . . .
Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Apr 23, 2007 12:33 PM   
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Does the 9th Amendment guarantee and protect my right to use plant entheogens in a manner consistent with my beliefs?

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new format
Posted by: lawstudent08 on Apr 23, 2007 12:55 PM   
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Is anyone else pissed off by the new format that requires loading a total of five pages just to read one article? It's obnoxious.

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A persons Right To themselves
Posted by: drblack on Apr 23, 2007 1:06 PM   
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The main point I get from the Ninth Amendment and the writings of the Founders was that each person has a right to themselves.
Of course at that time this was only for white males,but the USA would probably never have formed had the Founders with some conscience tried to apply the Bill of Rights to ALL people in the US at the time.
This right to ones self is obvious. A person can do to and with themselves what ever...so they can put into and take out of themselves what ever they choose and can believe what ever they like.
This is what the USA was founded to protect. The government was NEVER ment to protect you from yourself because each American ha sthe Right to Life Liberty and The pursuit of hapiness.
This is so basic and yet so amny people and the laws that have been passed miss it completely.
Lets get our Freedom back!

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Big difference between the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Posted by: mom'z the word on Apr 23, 2007 1:26 PM   
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First, the Constitution has nothing to do with the electorate, the citizens of the United States. The Constitution is all about the duties, responsibilities and limiting powers of the elected officials in the Legislative, Executive and Judicial Departments.

The Constitution is a precise instruction manual of what the elected officials can and can not do. For example, Article I, Section I, "Legislative power; the Congress, Article II, Section I Executive Power; the President, Section III, Article I Judicial Power. And my favorite, Article I, Section 9, Powers Denied Congress. The Constitution is about the duties and responsibilities of elected officials and just how much power they are entitled to in order to carry out their duties.

Nowhere in the Constitution will you see any references to any branch or elected officials having any Rights. Congress, the President, and the Judiciary have duties, responsibilities and limited power. They clearly by omission have no rights. This is a critical and fundamental distinction between the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Without rights their power is automatically limited and kept in check.

The Bill of Rights on the other hand is all about a single solitary, person's right to power as an individual. The power of one. The Bill of Rights does not recognize, groups, organizations, corporations, political parties, Federal Reserve, IRS, DMV, FDA, Microsoft, Dow, Monsanto, the State of California, or any states. Even our Constitution does not recognize these. According to our Bill or Rights, Monsanto does not have a right to free speech, Dow chemical does not have a right to a fair trial and the DMV does not have a right to privacy. These 'entities are non-voting, inanimate objects and are not recognized by our Bill of Rights. Only a person is guaranteed these inalienable rights.

Here's the rub. Our government never ratified the Bill of Rights into the Constitution making it part of the Supreme Law of the Land. What that means is you can say you have the right to free speech but until and when the federal court decides you personally have a right to free speech you better keep your mouth shut. Here's how it works. The Feds do not recognize the Bill of Rights as a legally binding document. So, unless each state incorporates the Bill of Rights into their Constitution you don't have any Constitutional Rights. You see the Federal government recognizes states rights but not individual rights. I can promise you California has a bill of rights but it is not the same as the “Constitutional” Bill of Rights. And this is the case in every State in the Union. And I can tell you also that State rights take precedence over Federal rights. So unless your local government has a Bill of Rights that guarantee you a fair trial, or free speech, or the right to bear arms, or vote you are out of luck. The Feds do not recognize person living within a state as a citizen of the United States (except when it comes to collecting income taxes). As far as rights are concerned citizens are citizens of a State and subject to State laws. I am pretty sure California does not have an unenumerated Rights amendment to their Constitution. I seriously doubt that any other state has anything similar to the 9th Amendment. So, that pretty much makes Farber’s arguments moot for every state too.

You know the Bill of Rights does not exist because every state has its own gun laws as opposed to the 2nd Amendment’s Right to Bear Arms. There are different voting laws in every state as opposed to the 15th Amendment Right to Vote. We need Congress to vote to incorporate the Bill of Rights into the Constitution of the United States to end this nonsense and establish once and for all our Rights as citizens no matter what state we live in.

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The ninth applies to individuals only
Posted by: drblack on Apr 23, 2007 1:30 PM   
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The 9th amendment applies to an individual's self only.
A person has a right to an education...by that it means the government cannot stop aperson from educating themselves.
The American taxpayer doesn't have to pay for it. How the Supreme court missed this I don't know. Of course I would have to read the whole case to really know.
A person has the right to kill themselves at any time. I would hope those around this person would try and disuede them. How can you punish a person for killing them selves anyway? How could you practically prevent it?
A person can sell themselves,but this cannot truly happen because no one is allowed to buy another person.
Business,land use etc have no protection under the 9th because it ONLY applies to what a person is born into this world with: themselves.
Absolute freedom of person is what America was founded on. This does not mean one can do whatever one wants ,just whatever one wants to themselves.

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THE NINTH AND 10TH AMENDMENTS MUST BE TAKEN AS A WHOLE
Posted by: poppop_schell on Apr 23, 2007 2:59 PM   
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This is an interetsing discussion but irrelevant with the passage of the 14th Amendment. FYI, it was the 13th Amendment which made slavery illegal.

The original writers of the Constitution linked carefully the 9th and 10th Amendments. The 10th Amendment was a States Rights one whereas the 9th was a personal one belonging to members of each state. You see the Constitution was meant to restrict the federal govt greatly. Before the 14th Amendment, you and I would have been a citizen of NC (you put your state here) and as a result automatically became a member of the USA. With the passage of the 14th Amendment , you were now a direct citiizen of the USA controlled by the federal govt, although you could say you were a North Carolian too. Power shifted from the people, communities and the states to the central government.

The elimination of the 10th Amendment also led to the downplay/elimination of the 9th Amendment. That's why you hear little about either of these two key Amendments in today's political debates.

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I do not understand
Posted by: Meeko Joseph Israel on Apr 23, 2007 10:01 PM   
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Some one please tell me, what is the ninth. Does the writer ever tell us clearly. I don't know, may be I missed something. I think the author does alot of double talking. Please, explain it to me like I am a ten year old. No offense.
Lastly, this is my first time viewing this site. I'd like to take a second to tell Alternet that I think this is a wonderful website...more power to you all!
Meeko Joseph Israel

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The Human Right to Abortion is not Absolute?
Posted by: leenaree on Apr 24, 2007 1:51 PM   
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It is interesting that the author affirms the right to birth control under the Ninth Amendment, but not abortion, and affirms the right of states to regulate it, as long as the "burden placed on the pregnant woman is not too severe." In whose estimation? Based on what human right, or absence of one? It seems to me that an inherent right has to be identified as a basic human right, and then held as the test. In this case, I would argue that the right to abortion follows from the right to bodily integrity. The courts have held that no person may be required to give blood or donate organs to another, even if necessary for saving the life of another person. If refusing such an action results in the death of a living human being, with no repercussions, why should a woman be required to host the growing body of a potential human being against her will, because an abortion would result in the death of this potential human being. The constitution does not grant rights to potential human beings.

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By that logic, abstinence is murder...
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 25, 2007 5:50 PM   
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...between two married people. Even masturbation (for a male) or the ejection of an egg, the use of contraception that prevents fertilization, or especially the miscarriage of a zygote with a woman's menses is also murder - or could be.

Why not carry it a little further? If a male fails to take absolutely EVERY OPPORTUNITY to impregnate a female, including rape if necessary (what's more wrong - rape or murder, after all?), or a woman fails to use EVERY EGG to at least try to become pregnant, it's murder. Is this starting to sound ridiculous to you yet? I hope so.

It comes down to an independent, thinking being - which does NOT describe a handful of undifferentiated cells, an embryo or a fetus - making a choice for whatever reason. I don't see where the government gets off saying that a woman or a couple can't use contraception or abortion, if some idiots passed a law delaying abortion until late term, or allowing pharmacists to choose who they will do their jobs for and who not, within a period of time where this is NOT a child - to prevent themselves being saddled with an expense that would relegate them to abject poverty for the rest of their lives. Maybe later on, when they can afford it, they might choose to have a child, but for whatever reason, their choice, the final say resting with the woman, is theirs alone, or hers alone. The government has no business saying a person can't be selfish, for one thing, though calling a refusal to be pauperized "selfish" is insane as far as I'm concerned. For another thing, the health risk - and it's a big risk even today, especially in the U.S., where we are rapidly approaching 3d world quality in health care for the vadst majority - is also the woman's. Take a real look at just the physical side-effects. Shouldn't a woman be able to choose to take those risks or refuse them?

The bible itself offers a very minor fiscal penalty if a man's action causes a pregnant woman to abort, and THAT'S ALL. You can twist things around and interpret it to death, but that's still what it says. For those of us not constrained by faith to follow the bible, there's even less justification for governmental interference in what is and should remain an intensely personal choice.

Ian

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The 9th
Posted by: Krain61 on Apr 25, 2007 6:02 PM   
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like the rest! They don't apply to us.
They are applied to Bushes ASS!

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Fools paradox
Posted by: gdonald on Apr 28, 2007 11:32 AM   
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In reading this article it is clear that this author is arguing for a standard in which he wants and not what the Ninth Amendment actually declares. His arguments for the Ninth are as ridiculous as those who argue that the second amendment is for sportsman and that the term militia is the National Guard.

I give the author an A for effort to try and sway people to his opinion and for using Alter net as his platform however in reality it is a worthless article because it is just someone making an argument to advance his doctrine and sell his book. I'm not buying it.

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