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A Power Governments Cannot Suppress

By Howard Zinn, City Lights. Posted May 3, 2007.


An excerpt from Howard Zinn's new book -- a collection of essays on history, class and the strength of ordinary citizens -- explores the unfair trial of Sacco and Vanzetti and the flawed justice system that still haunts us today.
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Fifty years after the executions of Italian immigrants Sacco and Vanzetti, Governor Dukakis of Massachusetts set up a panel to judge the fairness of the trial, and the conclusion was that the two men had not received a fair trial. This aroused a minor storm in Boston.

One letter, signed John M. Cabot, U.S. Ambassador Retired, declared his "great indignation" and pointed out that Governor Fuller's affirmation of the death sentence was made after a special review by "three of Massachusetts' most distinguished and respected citizens -- President Lowell of Harvard, President Stratton of MIT and retired Judge Grant."

Those three "distinguished and respected citizens" were viewed differently by Heywood Broun, who wrote in his column for the New York World immediately after the Governor's panel made its report. He wrote:

It is not every prisoner who has a President of Harvard University throw on the switch for him .... If this is a lynching, at least the fish peddler and his friend the factory hand may take unction to their souls that they will die at the hands of men in dinner jackets or academic gowns.
Heywood Broun, one of the most distinguished journalists of the twentieth century, did not last long as a columnist for the New York World.

On that fiftieth year after the execution, The New York Times reported that: "Plans by Mayor Beame to proclaim next Tuesday 'Sacco and Vanzetti Day' have been canceled in an effort to avoid controversy, a City Hall spokesman said yesterday."

There must be good reason why a case fifty-years-old, now over seventy-five years old, arouses such emotion. I suggest that it is because to talk about Sacco and Vanzetti inevitably brings up matters that trouble us today -- our system of justice, the relationship between war fever and civil liberties, and most troubling of all, the ideas of anarchism: the obliteration of national boundaries and therefore of war, the elimination of poverty, the creation of a full democracy.

The case of Sacco and Vanzetti revealed, in its starkest terms, that the noble words inscribed above our courthouses "Equal Justice Before the Law" have always been a lie. Those two men, the fish peddler and the shoemaker, could not get justice in the American system -- because justice is not meted out equally to the poor and the rich, the native-born and the foreign-born, the orthodox and the radical, the white and the person of color. And while injustice may play itself out today more subtly and in more intricate ways than it did in the crude circumstances of the Sacco and Vanzetti case, its essence remains.

In their case, the unfairness was flagrant. They were being tried for robbery and murder, but in the minds, and in the behavior of the prosecuting attorney, the judge, and the jury, the important thing about them was that they were, as Upton Sinclair put it in his remarkable novel Boston, "wops," foreigners, poor workingmen, radicals.

Here is a sample of the police interrogation:
Police: Are you a citizen?

Sacco: No.

Police: Are you a Communist?

Sacco: No.

Police: Anarchist.

Sacco: No.

Police: Do you believe in this government of ours?

Sacco: Yes, Some things I like different.
What did these questions have to do with the robbery of a shoe factory in South Braintree, Massachusetts, and the shooting of a paymaster and a guard?

Sacco was lying, of course. No, I'm not a Communist. No, I'm not an anarchist. Why would he lie to the police? Why would a Jew lie to the Gestapo? Why would a black in South Africa lie to his interrogators? Why would a dissident in Soviet Russia lie to the secret police? Because they all know there is no justice for them.

Has there ever been justice in the American system for the poor, the person of color, the radical? When the eight anarchists of Chicago were sentenced to death after the Haymarket riot (a police riot, that is) of 1886, it was not because there was any proof of a connection between them and the bomb thrown in the midst of the police -- not a shred of evidence. It was because they were leaders of the anarchist movement in Chicago.

When Eugene Debs and a thousand others were sent to prison during World War I, under the Espionage Act, was it because they were guilty of espionage? Hardly. They were socialists who spoke out against the war. In affirming the ten-year sentence of Debs, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes made it clear why Debs must go to prison. He quoted from Debs' speech: "The master class has always declared the wars, the subject class has always fought the battles."

Holmes, much admired as one of our great liberal jurists, made clear the limits of liberalism, its boundaries set by a vindictive nationalism. After all the appeals of Sacco and Vanzetti had been exhausted, the case was put before Holmes, sitting on the Supreme Court. He refused to review the case, thus letting the verdict stand.

In our time, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were sent to the electric chair. Was it because they were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of passing atomic secrets to the Soviet Union? Or was it because they were Communists, as the prosecutor made clear, with the approval of the judge? Was it also because the country was in the midst of anti-Communist hysteria, Communists had just taken power in China, there was a war in Korea, and the weight of all that could be borne by two American Communists?

Why was George Jackson, in California, sentenced to ten years in prison for a seventy-dollar robbery, and then shot to death by guards? Was it because he was poor, black, and radical?

Can a Muslim today, in the atmosphere of the "war on terrorism" be given equal justice before the law? Why was my upstairs neighbor, a dark-skinned Brazilian who might look like a Middle East Muslim, pulled out of his car by police, though he had violated no regulation, and questioned and humiliated?

Why are the two million people in American jails and prisons, and six million people under parole, probation, or surveillance, disproportionately people of color, disproportionately poor? A study showed that seventy percent of the people in New York state prisons came from seven neighborhoods in New York City-neighborhoods of poverty and desperation.

Class injustice cuts across every decade, every century of our history. In the midst of the Sacco Vanzetti case, a wealthy man in the town of Milton, south of Boston, shot and killed a man who was gathering firewood on his property. He spent eight days in jail, then was let out on bail, and was not prosecuted. The district attorney called it "justifiable homicide." One law for the rich, one law for the poor-a persistent characteristic of our system of justice.

But being poor was not the chief crime of Sacco and Vanzetti. They were Italians, immigrants, anarchists. It was less than two years from the end of the first World War. They had protested against the war. They had refused to be drafted. They saw hysteria mount against radicals and foreigners, observed the raids carried out by Attorney General Palmer's agents in the Department of Justice, who broke into homes in the middle of the night without warrants, held people incommunicado, and beat them with clubs and blackjacks.

In Boston, five hundred were arrested, chained together and marched through the streets. Luigi Galleani, editor of the anarchist paper Cronaca Sovversiva, to which Sacco and Vanzetti subscribed, was picked up in Boston and quickly deported.

Something even more frightening had happened. A fellow anarchist of Sacco and Vanetti, a typesetter named Andrea Salsedo, who lied in New York, was kidnapped by members of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (I use the word "kidnapped" to describe an illegal seizure of a person), and held in FBI offices on the fourteenth floor of the Park Row Building. He was not allowed to call his family, friends, or a lawyer, was questioned and beaten, according to a fellow prisoner. During the eighth week of his imprisonment, on May 3, 1920, the body of Salsedo, smashed to a pulp, was found on the pavement near the Park Row Building, and the FBI announced that he had committed suicide by jumping from the fourteenth floor window of the room in which they had kept him. This was just two days before Sacco and Vanzetti were arrested.

We know today, as a result of Congressional reports in 1975, of the FBI's COINTELPRO program in which FBI agents broke into people's homes and offices, carried out illegal wiretaps, were involved in acts of violence to the point of murder and collaborated with the Chicago police in the killing of two Black Panther leaders in 1969. The FBI and the CIA have violated the law again and again. There is no punishment for them.

There is little reason to have faith that the civil liberties of people in this country would be protected in the atmosphere of hysteria that followed 9/11 and continues to this day. At home there have been immigrant round-ups, indefinite detentions, deportations, and unauthorized domestic spying. Abroad there have extra-judicial killings, torture, bombings, war, and military occupations.

Likewise, the trial of Sacco and Vanzetti began immediately after Memorial Day, a year and a half after the orgy of death and patriotism that was World War I, when the newspapers still vibrating with the roll of drums and the jingo rhetoric.

Twelve days into the trial, the press reported that the bodies of three soldiers had been transferred from the battlefields of France to the city of Brockton, and that the whole town had turned out for a patriotic ceremony. All of this was in newspapers that members of the jury could read.

Sacco was cross-examined by prosecutor Katzmann:
Question: Did you love this country in the last week of May, 1917?

Sacco: That is pretty hard for me to say in one word, Mr. Katzmann.

Question: There are two words you can use, Mr. Sacco, yes or no. What one is it?

Sacco: Yes

Question: And in order to show your love for this United States of America when she was about to call upon you to become a soldier you ran away to Mexico?
At the beginning of the trial, Judge Thayer (who, speaking to a golf acquaintance, had referred to the defendants during the trial as "those anarchist bastards"), said to the jury: "Gentlemen, I call upon you to render this service here that you have been summoned to perform with the same spirit of patriotism, courage and devotion to duty as was exhibited by our soldier boys across the seas."

The emotions evoked by a bomb that exploded at Attorney General Palmer's home during a time of war -- like emotions set loose by the violence of 9/11 -- created an anxious atmosphere in which civil liberties were compromised.

Sacco and Vanzetti understood that whatever legal arguments their lawyers could come up with would not prevail against the reality of class justice. Sacco told the court, on sentencing: "I know the sentence will be between two classes, the oppressed class and the rich class ... That is why I am here today on this bench, for having been of the oppressed class."

That viewpoint seems dogmatic, simplistic. Not all court decisions are explained by it. But, lacking a theory that fits all cases, Sacco's simple, strong view is surely a better guide to understanding the legal system than one which assumes a contest among equals based on an objective search for truth.

Vanzetti knew that legal arguments would not save them. Unless a million Americans were organized, he and his friend Sacco would die. Not words, but struggle. Not appeals, but demands. Not petitions to the governor, but take-overs of the factories. Not lubricating the machinery of a supposedly fair system to make it work better, but a general strike to bring the machinery to a halt.

That never happened. Thousands demonstrated, marched, protested, not just in New York City, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, but in London, Paris, Buenos Aires, South Africa. It wasn't enough. On the night of their execution, thousands demonstrated in Charlestown, but kept away from the prison by a huge assembly of police. Protesters were arrested. Machine-guns were on the rooftops and great searchlights swept the scene.

A great crowd assembled in Union Square on August 23,1927. A few minutes after midnight, prison lights dimmed as the two men were electrocuted. The New York World described the scene: "The crowd responded with a giant sob. Women fainted in fifteen or twenty places. Others, too overcome, dropped to the curb and buried their heads in their hands. Men leaned on one anothers' shoulders and wept."

Their ultimate crime was their anarchism, an idea which today still startles us like a bolt of lightning because of its essential truth: we are all one, national boundaries and national hatreds must disappear, war is intolerable, the fruits of the earth must be shared, and only through organized struggle against authority can such a world come about.

What comes to us today from the case of Sacco and Vanzetti is not just tragedy, but inspiration. Their English was not perfect, but when they spoke it was a kind of poetry. Vanzetti said of his friend Sacco:
Sacco is a heart, a faith, a character, a man; a man lover of nature and mankind. A man who gave all, who sacrifice all to the cause of liberty and to his love for mankind: money, rest, mundane ambition, his own wife, his children, himself and his own life ... Oh yes, I may be more witful, as some have put it, I am a better babbler than he is, but many, many times, in hearing his heartful voice ring a faith sublime, in considering his supreme sacrifice, remembering his heroism I felt small, small at the presence of his greatness, and found myself compelled to fight back from my eyes the tears, quench my heart throbbing to my throat to not weep before him -- this man called chief and assassin and doomed.
Worst of all, they were anarchists, meaning they had some crazy notion of a full democracy in which neither foreignness nor poverty would exist, and thought that without these provocations, war among nations would end for all time. But for this to happen the rich would have to be fought and their riches confiscated. That anarchist idea is a crime much worse than robbing a payroll, and so to this day the story of Sacco and Vanzetti cannot be recalled without great anxiety.

Sacco wrote to his son Dante: "So son, instead of crying, be strong, so as to be able to comfort your mother ... take her for a long walk in the quiet country, gathering wild flowers here and there, resting under the shade of trees ... But remember always, Dante, in this play of happiness, don't you use all for yourself only ... help the persecuted and the victim because they are your better friends .... In this struggle of life you will find more love and you will be loved."

Yes, it was their anarchism, their love for humanity, which doomed them. When Vanzetti was arrested, he had a leaflet in his pocket, advertising a meeting to take place in five days. It is a leaflet that could be distributed today, all over the world, as appropriate now as it was the day of their arrest. It read:
You have fought all the wars. You have worked for all the capitalists. You have wandered over all the countries. Have you harvested the fruits of your labors, the price of your victories? Does the part comfort you? Does the present smile on you? Does the future promise you anything? Have you found a piece of land where you can live like a human being and die like a human being? On these questions, on this argument, and on this theme, the struggle for existence, Bartolomeo Vanzetti will speak.
That meeting did not take place. But their spirit still exists today with people who believe and love and struggle all over the world.

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HOWARD ZINN
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 3, 2007 1:49 AM   
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OOOOOOOHHH!!!! I know what the next book on my reading list is going to be! Also, if you want to see a great documentary, have a look at Howard Zinn: You Can't be Neutral on a Moving Train. It's a very thoughtful and though provoking look at the man and how he responded to the times in which he has lived. It's a fantastic film!

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: HOWARD ZINN Posted by: starvinmarvy
Guthrie
Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 3, 2007 3:01 AM   
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I heard those two names in a Woody Guthrie song. I didn't know who they were or if they were real people. Interesting.

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Anarchy and the Pursuit of Justice
Posted by: wawa on May 3, 2007 4:50 AM   
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"Anarchy can best be understood as Rebellion against UNJUST laws.

"The Yang [male positive force] of anarchy resists authority and causes disorder and is socially and politically incorrect by the norms of the status quo, for it seeks the higher ground of JUSTICE.

The Yin [female passive force] of anarchy births a new order out of chaos and chaos is creativity in action."-page 61, "MEMOIRS of a Nice Irish-American 'Girls's' Life in Occupied Territory", by eileen fleming



"Thoreau's great insight is that there is a moral emptiness in government unless it is filled by the actions of citizens on behalf of justice. That corresponds exactly to the democratic philosophy of the Declaration of Independence, in which governments have no inherent right to exist or to rule, but deserve to do so only when they fulfill the charge given them by the people; to protect everyone's equal right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." –Howard Zinn, page 140 "A Power Governments Cannot Suppress"

That Power is THE TRUTH!

Pursuing happiness; that feeling of great pleasure or contentment is most acute, when we pursue justice.

Justice is fair, right, and correct.

Jesus told a story of the persistent widow who daily knocked upon an unjust judges chamber doors. Everyday, that widow would demand justice! We have no clue as to what she was seeking justice for. We only know that she never gave up. To get her off of his back, the unjust judge who didn’t care for anyone but himself gave that persistent widow justice, just to get her to shut up.

"If you want peace, you must pursue JUSTICE"- Pope John Paul

"F--K Peace! Justice first, then Peace will follow"-a socialist and anarchist informed this reporter.

http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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» socialist and anarchist? Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Triumph in agony
Posted by: tcolkett on May 3, 2007 5:22 AM   
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"If it had not been for these things, I might have lived out my life talking at street corners to scorning men. I might have died, unmarked, unknown, a failure. Now we are not a failure. This is our career and our triumph. Never in our full life could we hope to do such work for tolerance, for justice, for man's understanding of man as now we do by accident. Our words--our lives--our pains--nothing! The taking of our lives--lives of a good shoemaker and a poor fish-peddler--all! That last moment belongs to us--that agony is our triumph."
Bartolomeo Vanzetti

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» RE: Triumph in agony Posted by: Blanktivist
Justice System does not exist
Posted by: gdonald on May 3, 2007 5:35 AM   
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In discussing our present Justice System with a lawyer I was informed that today we have no Justice System but a legal system. The two are opposed to each other.

Our prisons are made up predominately of those who are not caucasion because in reality they do commit the majority of crimes but also they are poor. I can also tell you that most caucasions in prison are also poor. Janet Reno made it her mission during the Clinton years to focus on putting more caucasions in prison for political correctness in order to make it appear more fair.

The real problem today in the Republic of the United States of America is that we the people do not have a clue that we are a Representative Republic and what that means. Even this web site is all about Democracy. Democracy is mob rule and when the mob rules you have the real threat of fascism. The founders argued over what type of government we would end up with and they deliberately chose a Republic. Their statements about a Democracy shows their disgust for such a government. Today every politician, newspaper, and most citizens call us a democracy and because of this mindset we are seeing the fruits of it. Tyranny. This is exactly what the framers of our Constitution said about a democracy that it would lead to tyranny.

The passing of the Patriot Acts and the various other fascist legislations has destroyed liberty. Gun control advocates are destroying liberty.

We the Poeple are getting exactly what we have asked for because we act in ignorance and out of emotion rather than respond with thought and common sense. Those in power keep the nation in a constant state of fear about terrorism because fear is such a powerful emotion and causes people to react in irrational ways and with a total lack of common sense.

If you want true change then change yourselves because until we the people change our selves from reaction out of emotion to responding in common sense and irrationality then we will continue to see tyranny reign.

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» Very thoughtful comment... Posted by: vangogh69
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» The Lincoln Initiative Posted by: Lincoln fan
"In our time, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were sent to the electric chair."
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on May 3, 2007 6:08 AM   
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Gee, although I do feel awfully OLD sometimes, that was before I was born & I suspect, looooooong before most people reading Alternet were born. History can be interesting but Prof. Zinn could have related this all a bit more to the present day. He didn't throw in Mumia, did he? I fell asleep before the end. Come to think of it, even Mumia would probably be before most Alternetters were born.

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Not a Zinn Groupie but
Posted by: apophenia_monkey on May 3, 2007 6:18 AM   
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i'll definitely pick up this latest. zinn appears to have put his capable grey matter to thoroughly researching sacco vanzetti--a massive miscarriage of justice in a long line of miscarriages.

zinn's research is always impressive, and his cherry picking of facts to support conclusions in his commentary is always a good balance to the cherry picking of facts by other historical researchers.

should be a good read.

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Let's see Zinn write on the strength of the Palesinian people
Posted by: bradford on May 3, 2007 6:48 AM   
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being ground down under the beet of Israel occupation all these years. Don't hold your breath for this essay from this jewish writer Zinn.

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» What a dumb thing to say Posted by: fanny666
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Strive for the Ideal
Posted by: Democritus on May 3, 2007 6:51 AM   
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Anarchism is idealistic, and Sacco and Vanzetti died for their ideals. Famous Americans are also remembered for putting principle before comfort and profit, as witness Henry David Thoreau's going to prison rather than pay a tax for the Mexican war. Thoreau also chided Emerson, who had said that the best government is one that governs least. If that is so, said Thoreau, then the very best government must be one that governs not at all. That also seems to have been the principle that Sacco and Vanzetti died for.

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Red Brown and Blue Party comment
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on May 3, 2007 8:41 AM   
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We lost our house and $1/2M because of the court supporting a shyster investor and real estate agent. The agent prided himself on being a church goer. The bible is just literature, written with a church-state agenda, but it does pack some punches, like: "the root of all evil is money," and "you can't serve God and mammon." Jesus, another mythic church-state figure, drove the money changers from the temple. Whether you look at it through karmic or common sense lenses, the basic choices are materialism or higher values, and justice will be served accordingly. It won't necessarily happen in this blink of an eye lifetime but it will happen in conscious reality. These two men are heroes and martyrs to truth and justice, like so many before and after them. Thanks for the inspiration.

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Howard Zinn lectures
Posted by: fanny666 on May 3, 2007 8:42 AM   
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This website is a great source for free MP3 talks, lectures, radio shows, etc. Here is one of my favorite talks from Howard Zinn:

The Myth of the Cold War

Search for ZINN, CHOMSKY, RITTER, MAHAJAN, ARUNDHATI ROY, or whatever else you're interested in.

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» RE: Howard Zinn lectures Posted by: perri6
This system is not about justice - it's about power....
Posted by: Michael Boldin on May 3, 2007 8:47 AM   
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And we see unbridled power from the political establishment in this country every single day. It's not about what's right and wrong, but what the government tells us is right or wrong.

We don't fight for our "freedom" - instead, we fight to promote the interests of politcians. We don't fight for security, we fight to protect the government.

When any society lets power get too strong in too few hands despotism rises.

That's what we see now. The only way to change course is to "strike the root". That is, reduce or eliminate the power to abuse our rights, wage wars, kill innocents and the like.

A good read on this issue:

Decentralized Freedom
http://www.populistamerica.com/populist__32

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The people are a sleeping giant
Posted by: Lincoln fan on May 3, 2007 9:49 AM   
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There is no doubt of the power of the people. We have a simple problem in the United States. We have two parties controlled by the corporate establishment. Because we can vote for candidates from either party, we think that we're in control. As long as people think that they're in control they'll not try fight to gain control.

We have partisans on both sides railing at the "opposing" party when there is no opposing party.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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» RE: The people are a sleeping giant Posted by: oregoncharles
The Prejudice Against Sacco and Vanzetti was Ironic in a Way
Posted by: Bab5nutz on May 3, 2007 9:53 AM   
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Sacco and Vanzetti were both Italian immigrants. And so was one of the men they were convicted of murdering. Security guard, Alessandro Berardelli was an Italian immigrant. I don't know a lot about the trial, but was the fact that Alessandro Berardelli was also Italian ever brought up?

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"We begin by seeking justice, and end up with the police."
Posted by: oregoncharles on May 3, 2007 10:29 AM   
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Puts it in a nutshell, doesn't it?

(The quote is by a French philosopher whose name I can't remember; if someone can identify him, please comment.)

Zinn's piece is remarkably eloquent, but I have at least one quibble with the theory: " the obliteration of national boundaries and therefore of war."

Most wars these days are civil wars; going much further back, even people with no government at all practice war, and occasionally exterminate each other. At least in liberal theory, government exists partly to prevent or at least regulate that sort of tribal violence. That's a lot of "at least"s. But eliminating government would not eliminate either violence or war. It would make the scale smaller.

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An addendum: the ongoing legacy of Frank Olsen
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 3, 2007 10:42 AM   
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I imagine a lot of people know the story of S&V, but far fewer know the story of Dr Sydney Gottlieb, Frank Olsen, and the US biowarfare complex of the 40's, 50's, 60's (and which persists to this day as the most secretive component of the US military-industrial complex).

Who was Frank Olsen? He was a junior biowarfare scientist with the US Army's Special Operations Division in the 1950s. He was working with all manners of biowarfare agents at Fort Detrick (now under management by Battelle Memorial Institute...) and then something happened. In November 1953 a group of CIA and Army technicians gathered for a three-day work retreat at a remote hunting lodge in Maryland. On the Second day MK-Ultra program director Sydney Gottlieb dosed after-dinner cocktails with LSD. As the drug started to working the men began to “scream with laughter, stare at their hands, and were incapable of coherent conversation.” Frank Olson, an Army biochemist at the conference was part of the group. After the retreat he slid into a deep depression.

Soon afterwards, Frank Olsen was probably murdered and thrown out of a high-rise hotel building after several trips to a CIA psychiatrist. The most probable sequence of events is that this man, who was 'locked up in the lab', had serious internal doubts about using his training as a doctor to develop biochemical warfare agents, and his LSD experience 'crystallized' these internal doubts - at which point he was viewed as a serious liability by the US intelligence complex, which decided to eliminate him.

This also helps explain the paranoid fear of hallucinogens that is common to all authoritarian regimes - something about the 'dissociative' effects of these chemical agents make them very effective at breaking brainwashing and shaking up entrenched notions (such as mindless obedience to authority figures).

It's important that people know this history. The US military-industrial complex is one of the greatest threats to global democracy that exists in the world today - and they still manage to fly below the radar, most of the time.

Don't believe me? Try reading The Biology of Doom: America's Secret Germ Warfare Program, by Ed Regis, 1999 with one caveat - the US biowarfare program was NOT terminated by Nixon in 1969, it simply moved into the private sector and was maintained by the British at Porton Down with the involvement of Huntingdon Life Sciences...and now, the biggest and scariest firm you've never heard of, Battelle Memorial Institute - they make Blackwater look like boys playing in a sandbox.

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Liberty and Justice For All
Posted by: bandido on May 3, 2007 1:19 PM   
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All government is, of course, against liberty.

HL Mencken

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» RE: Liberty and Justice For All Posted by: Lincoln fan
Zinn, an elitist hypocrite
Posted by: HughScott on May 3, 2007 1:36 PM   
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Using sarcasm to make his point, Howard Zinn applauded anarchists Sacco and Vanzetti by saying they had “some crazy notion of a full democracy in which neither foreignness nor poverty would exist, and thought that without these provocations, war among nations would end for all time. But for this to happen the rich would have to be fought and their riches confiscated.”

Okay, fine. Let anarchism begin -- by confiscating the riches of Zinn, a self-indulging millionaire who doesn’t have a clue about what REAL poverty is like in America’s two-class, Have and Have-not society.

Ironically, with absolulely no introspection, Zinn quoted Sacco as telling the court after his conviction, "I know the sentence will be between two classes, the oppressed class and the rich class ... That is why I am here today on this bench, for having been of the oppressed class."

Sacco was talking about Zinn -- a member of the rich class.

The elitist hypocrite makes me want to puke.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» Zinn, an elitist hypocrite?? Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
50 years later...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 3, 2007 1:39 PM   
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50 years later... and he's still gushing about Sacco and Vanzetti.

Fondly gazing towards the past is the LAST thing anarchists need right now.

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» RE: 50 years later... Posted by: perri6
» RE: 50 years later... Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
Zinn is a national treasure!
Posted by: vangogh69 on May 3, 2007 3:59 PM   
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His People's History changed my life and I can't wait for his new one! Anarchism is still, in 2007, an idea that scares Americans on the same level (if not worse) as Socialism. It's too bad, really, cause clearly the plutocratic capitalist system we have NOW is only working for the 10% percent of the population.

One need only point to the fact that the US has the world's biggest prison population to highlight the hypocrisy in ideas that the US is bringing "Justice" anywhere. For non-whites, women, gays, immigrants, etc., the idea that there are two systems of justice is of course nothing new. How else do you explain a CEO getting a few months behind bars for theft which affects thousands (Mr. Lay) while some guy from the hood robs a place for $30, yet gets 35 years. Now, I'm not advocating one form of theft over the other, but clearly, prisons exist to keep the poor and colored out of the way. They're plantations. They're torture gardens. Emma Goldman has a fabulous essay on the futility of prisons which I highly recommend for the interested.

Um, sorry for the rant. Go Zinn!!!

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xtiml
Posted by: xtiml on May 3, 2007 5:13 PM   
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I never heard of this zinn. but i dont like his thinking. sacco and vanzetti were guilty , period and no one knows who the hell they are or what was the action about.they were jewish italians and one was a nasty peckerwood. the uneducated one. I'll have you know the jewish defense league was formed in reaction to a lynching of a jewish manufacturing company owner who grievously raped and murdered a pre or very young adolescent girl down south. locals lynched him and the league was formed to protect scum like this rapist murderer. thus thre hallowed jewish defense league was formed as a direct reaction to protect further pathetic excuses for a human being.

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» The Statist's Fallacy Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar
From "Roads to Freedom":
Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on May 3, 2007 5:33 PM   
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"The pioneers of Socialism, Anarchism, and Syndicalism have, for the most part, experienced prison, exile, and poverty, deliberately incurred because they would not abandon their propaganda; and by this conduct they have shown that the hope which inspired them was not for themselves, but for mankind.”
BERTRAND RUSSELL

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RE: ...................
Posted by: Sparks56 on May 4, 2007 2:55 AM   
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When you read an Alternet story, who helps you with all those great big words?

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Howard Zinn
Posted by: bob t on May 5, 2007 9:01 AM   
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Truly a great american. He is in the ranks of the greats who make us all think of what we are doing. He is up there with Noam Chomsky, Kurt Vonnegut, Molly Ivins, William Sloan Coffin and his uncle Henry Sloan Coffin, Bill Moyers, Jimmy and Rosalind Carter, the Niebhur family, Thomas Merton et.al. Truly the best of us. I think bonhoffer and Niemoller also belong in this group.
I wish I could point to the catholic church, my church, of the last two Popes, John Paul II and Benedict XVI and Popes Pius XI and XII as being part of this group of eminent people but they fall far short. The two Pius's for their alignment with Hitler and the Nazi party. The current Pope and the previous one for their alignment with the Reagan-Bush-Republican party cabal of unending evil, death and destruction for profit, US domination and world domination.

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» RE: Howard Zinn Posted by: mommy64
» RE: Howard Zinn Posted by: mommy64
footnotes
Posted by: fallout1 on May 7, 2007 6:24 AM   
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Why does Zinn not use any footnotes in People's History? It's come back to bite me in the ass as I've tried to use the book with a co-worker...and he found all these errors online that people have picked out...And I can't argue since Zinn doesn't use footnotes..

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