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Barbara Ehrenreich on the Importance of Collective Joy

By Laura Barcella, AlterNet. Posted April 7, 2007.


In her new book, "Dancing in the Streets," Barbara Ehrenreich links the current epidemic of depression with our lack of group bonding rituals and explores how festive gatherings can be vehicles for social change.

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Barbara Ehrenreich's latest book, Dancing in the Streets, is surprisingly optimistic. A "history of collective joy," it explores the origins of communal celebration in human biology and culture -- and explains why modern Americans have grown so resistant to ... well ... having fun together.

Ehrenreich links the epidemic of depression to our growing lack of group bonding rituals (think church, feasts and carnivals). She also explores how, throughout the ages, group celebrations have brought people together in a spirit of solidarity, joy and union, helping to fight both oppression and depression. From the ancient Greeks' worship of Dionysus to the medieval practice of Christianity as a "danced religion," Dancing in the Streets traces the roots of the very human need to dance, sing and revel together -- and how these sorts of festivities can be vehicles for social change.

AlterNet spoke with Ehrenreich via telephone.

Tell me how the idea for this book came to you, and why you wanted to pursue it.

I started working on this book 9 years ago. It wasn't like right after Bait and Switch I decided I wanted to do this. It required a huge amount of research. The [original idea] came from some questions I had about humans, and my species.

After writing another macro-historical book about war (Blood Rites), I was interested in the bright side of human bonding. Not the bonding of humans in opposition, but how bonding holds a community, and even strangers, together.

We are a very social species. I was reading about it for months and months, but came across this universal pattern of ecstatic rituals -- it's hard to think of any society that doesn't have them. They all seem to feature these ingredients of costuming, dancing, masking, face/body painting, feasting ... techniques that people in widely different cultures have used to generate joy. Why have we got so few [ecstatic rituals] today?

In a nutshell, generalizing over many cultures and times, these sorts of activities have been suppressed by elites -- according to class, race, gender -- because the [rituals] came to be seen as disruptive, subversive and even dangerous. They were seen as antithetical to the social discipline that came to be expected by mass society.

Class and issues of power are a huge part of this. In the Caribbean in the 19th century, carnival would be a huge part of slaves' revolts.

Why did you think the time was right to publish it now?

This isn't timed to anything specific, but I think it's very important for people involved in social movements to think about [this stuff]. I'm struck by the ways that, in the last 67 years, there has been a carnivalizion of protest. Especially in the anti-globalization movement -- there's been an increased amount of music, face painting, and costuming at demonstrations.

People want to experience collective joy and solidarity in artistic and fun ways. The other thing that's larger, in a way, is that if we are going to have an ecologically sustainable world, it can't be about giving up things we have now -- cars, plastic. We need to think about positive gains we can have. How can we find joy in ways that don't just involve trashing the environment? [In this book], here it is.

In modern America, where do we stand on the collective joy scale?

Well, it's interesting to me how sports fans have managed to carnivalize sports events -- consider rhythmic activities like the wave -- turning sports from something where you just sit and watch athletes, into something where you're a participant in a great big collective event. We had an outbreak of this in the rock rebellion of the 1950s and '60s, where a new kind of music invited people not to sit still anymore ... to turn an event into a participatory event where you can get up and dance with other people.

America also experiences this in the Pentecostal religious movement, with people achieving trance states. People creating completely new holidays and occasions out of nothing -- Burning Man is the best example. And the Berlin Love Parade, where a million people have danced in the streets. Halloween, in gay culture, has become more of an adult celebration, but it's not necessarily political ...

Do people experience collective joy differently in different parts of the country?

Every culture has its own context, whether it's seen as religious or recreational. But the ingredients are universal: dancing and music; costuming, masking or face painting.

In our culture, face painting has become the universal mark of having a good time, from children's birthday parties to sports events. Then there's feasting and wine ... There can be a procession through a town or village. Sports events, theater, mockery of the authorities; those are worldwide.


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Laura Barcella is a former associate editor at AlterNet. Her writing has appeared in the Village Voice, Salon.com, and the anthology BITCHfest: Ten Years of Cultural Criticism from the Pages of Bitch Magazine.

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Tribalism Lost
Posted by: Wassermann on Apr 7, 2007 1:47 AM   
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You just know that you live in a culture in decline when the only "mass-bonding rituals" available are sports events and TV shows. You can almost sense that this is what is missing.

I agree with Ehrenreich's hypothesis that the lack of mass-bonding is the root cause of the deep malaise and ennui sweeping American (and indeed Western) culture in modern times.

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» Ooops, I forgot about... Posted by: Wassermann
» Good. Posted by: kittynboi
» RE: Tribalism Lost Posted by: Doubtom
In the UK they get that tribal feeling
Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 7, 2007 1:54 AM   
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By joining football 'firms' which are basically racist gangs. Or through fashion. This is something most working class men belong to. Black lumpen proletariat men here belong to knife gangs and deal in drugs. Rich twits belong to gentlemen's clubs and go to swingers parties. So they are all getting the collective experience, allbeit in a very warped way.

I agree with Barbara: we desperately need something more positive to join in with.

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» Try MoveOn.org. Posted by: HughScott
Do we party to make ourselves happy or because we are happy?
Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 7, 2007 2:05 AM   
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My favorite holiday is Halloween, because it is one time that men can paint their faces without being thought weird. And I have long admired the clan culture of the pueblo people, where each clan takes responsibility for a different festival. That way, there's always something going on. I've begun to wonder whether the new prosperity in China will interfere with the traditional practice of neighbors going out for dinner at whichever nearby neighbor is cooking that night.

But do people still have neighbors? Instead, we sit in front of the boob tube passively watching actors pretend that they are having a good time--accompanied by a recorded laugh track. We have plenty of vicarious entertainment--recorded music, film, etc. It ain't real.

Both Thoreau who noticed "lives of quiet desperation" and Emerson's observations about "silent melancholy" indicate that depression has been a feature of the American context for quite some time. As my own tradition descends from the Puritans, even church participation, while it ought to be a celebration, steers clear of the Dionysian. It isn't even acceptable to go to church to cry any more.

OK. I'm admitting that I am white. Gospel churches in the black tradition can offer a different context. At least there, both the blues and the joy can go hand-in-hand.

Yes, celebrations can be healing. And there never was a time or place that we did not need to be healed. We who have been given the gift of laughter and tears need to exercise them regularly. Even more than the gym workout, we are healthy to the extent that we do get to be spontaneous.

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Big parties are part of the problem.
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 7, 2007 3:01 AM   
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I don't see any shortage of big-scale festive gatherings. There's always a big party, wedding, 1st birthday party, or carnival going on somewhere.

And I don't think an increase in depression is due to a lack of them. On the contrary, I'd bet the increase in depression is due to the lack of intimacy because everything is a big event and everyone is lonely in a crowd. In our gotta-act-busy society, dropping by for coffee or to chit-chat is a no-no. We're all too busy for that sort of unproductive activity. We've got big weddings, big company parties, big soccer games, and other well-planned events to zip around to.

What do you do at a wedding or cocktail party? Tell people you've been depressed and need to talk? Or do you put on a happy face and brag about your resume, or how you got a great deal on that new SUV? Or how you're so important and so busy that you just haven't had time for yourself lately and--Oops--Sorry--Your cell phone's ringing--Gotta get this real quick.

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Bonding ritual a wonderful idea, but....
Posted by: nzo on Apr 7, 2007 4:05 AM   
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Bonding arises out of the experience, IOW the living of real community, and sadly 99.9% of people in the "western" world haven't the foggiest idea of what community is and what it entails. People know isolation very well, in the pseudo-community of the so-called nuclear family for example, but they wouldn't recognize real community if they tripped over it. With what will they recognize it, when community has been systematically and deliberately stripped out of everyday existence?

So to say we need bonding rituals is like putting another coat of paint on the prison cell in which we choose to live. We need a hell of a lot more than that and you ain't going to find how to do that that in any book.

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Being the Party Party
Posted by: just thinkin on Apr 7, 2007 5:04 AM   
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I well recall travelling on the Lollapalooza tour in 1992 and noting how the Rock the Vote table was attracting so many young people to not only register to vote, but to gravitate to the notion that becoming knowledgeable about politics was cool. The association with the party atmosphere was unmistakeable. And the youth vote's influence in Clinton's 1992 victory was likewise clear. Organizers today should not lose sight of that fact. Sure, there will be those who scoff at cheap tactics like associating celebration with participation, but who cares? The payoff should be ample on all sides of the equation. I note that organizations like Campus Progress are taking such a tack, albeit in a decidedly DC-centric way, and as 2008 approaches it seems worthwhile to contemplate ways in which to build an authentic movement of joy and celebration at the coming wave of change. "Hey, hey! Ho, ho! The GOP has got to go!" The anti-war movement that propelled the move away from Vietnam may indeed have had greater numbers responding negatively to it (Nixon's "Silent Majority," actually not so silent), but those reacting in horror to the new outspokenness were already fixed in their positions. The energy created by carnivalesque protest and exhortation drew in new participants, and in our low-participation society, where young people are conditioned not to care about politics and to value much more highly their personal opportunities, there is plenty of room for growth. Even the isolated ipodsters can be made to feel the instinctive rush of joining with others in passionate action, if we only give them the chance. Now, give them some incentives, to boot -- free or cheap concerts in strategic locations at the right times would be a good start -- and we will really see some movement. Barbara Ehrenreich's wisdom continues to be an inspiration, and we miss a bet if we do not capitalize upon this extended moment of shocked recognition the Bush-GOP catastrophe has visited upon the nation and the world to inspire people to seek change in the most positive and celebratory fashion possible. Like a swarm of Munchkins singing, "Ding-dong, the witch is dead!" we should be signalling to all that a new day is arriving, and that there will be dancing, singing, and joy. People are desperate for it, and we have the resources, the incentive, and the opportunity to give it to them. Sure, there is hard work to be done digging ourselves out of the messes the scoundrels have made of things in virtually every domain, but if we can muster up a few good work songs -- bring back Joe Hill! -- and get people excited about change, we can accomplish it. I know it sounds like "pie in the sky" (yes, a Joe Hill coinage), but that line about political will being a renewable resource that the surprising Deadhead Al Gore is trumpeting these days is actually right on. A little effort from a lot of people goes a long way. I am a Green but at this stage, like many, I would settle for virtually any of the Democrats in 2008, but the excitement that Barack Obama seems to be inspiring seems almost a self-fulfilling prophecy, and I must say it has me thinking he is the one who can take us where we need to go. OK, enough from a high-on-hope Left Coaster with a song in his heart and perhaps insufficient cynical calcaluation in his brain. But don't underestimate the reservoir of positive, celebratory energy hidden within us. As Barbara Ehrenrich reminds us, they can tamp it down (see: globally disporoportionate and ever-increasing work pressures on Americans), but they can't stamp it out. Fan the flames, write your representatives in favor of a national voting holiday, and plan a political party or two. We'll see who is dancing at the end of 2008.

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No joy until…
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 7, 2007 5:05 AM   
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The fastest way to bring joy to America would be ending the Iraq War and King George’s fear-mongering reign.

Having been born in 1935, I remember collective joy that began on VE Day and continued though the Cold War. Then, suddenly, selfisness became fashionable, as in “Greed is good” from the 1987 hit movie, “Wall Street.”

President Bush has given new meaning to selfishness with lopsided tax breaks for the rich during a war where the only sacrifice being made is by the U.S. military and their families, many of them members of the working poor.

One more thing. While googling Barbara Ehrenreich before writing this comment, I came across an example of her brilliant thought every American should consider, starting with George W.:

“The ‘working poor’ ... are in fact the major philanthropists of our society. They neglect their own children so that the children of others will be cared for; they live in substandard housing so that other homes will be shiny and perfect; they endure privation so that inflation will be low and stock prices high. To be a member of the working poor is to be an anonymous donor, a nameless benefactor, to everyone else.”

Can anyone argue with the wisdom, compassion and power of that statement? It is a concept that Bush and other globalist pigs at the trough, Republican and Democrat, could never imagine.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» RE: No joy until… Posted by: setterwoman
Responsible Pleasures Most Underestimated Source of Health
Posted by: drricklippin on Apr 7, 2007 6:26 AM   
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Engaging in responsible pleasures is the single most underestimated source of health in our times.

I published this statement in The Futurist magazine in 1999. (I am not talking about destructive/harmful hedonism)

The shame associated with and repression of responsible pleasure has been perpetuated by a puritan religious philosphy where pleasure is viewed as sinful.

Thanks to Barbara Ehrenreich for recommending group festivals which are one of many responsible pleasures.

Doctors - Stop wagging your fingers at patients. Tell them to enjoy life - I "prescribe" it all the time.

Dr. Rick Lippin
see my website
The article on responsible pleasures is in there

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Dante, Debs, Zinn and Cleaver
Posted by: wawa on Apr 7, 2007 6:31 AM   
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"Remember always, Dante, in his play of happiness, don't use all for yourself only...help the persecuted and the victim because they are your better friends...In this struggle of life you will find more love and you will be loved."-Nicloa Sacco


"While there is a lower class, I am in it; while there is a criminal element, I am in it; while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.- Eugene Debs, a kind and compassionate anarchist and socialist.

"Our history runs deep with people who stand up, speak out, dig in, organize, connect, form networks of resistance and alter the course of history."-Howard Zinn

"If you are not a part of the solution; you are a part of the problem."-Eldridge Cleaver

"Do something"-
eileen fleming
WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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Creating Global Village Gatherings
Posted by: carnivalista on Apr 7, 2007 7:07 AM   
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DANCING IN THE STREETS is a great book. I'm surprised though, that it doesn't give mention to Mark Sommer's brilliant essay "Global Village Gatherings". This is a profoundly insightful evocation of the theory and practice of creating politically pointed revelry! I've posted Mark's piece on my web site (with his permission):

http://tinyurl.com/h2caz

Read it and Leap!

Craig Green

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I NEVER HAD A PLAY DATE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 7, 2007 7:18 AM   
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Everything is scheduled and run in a business like way. Most fun used to be spontaneous. Now every part of our lives has an instruction book. No more surprises. Kids can't even go out to play. Danger lurks everywhere. Or so we're told. Pornography is all over and yet I hear of sexless marriages. Much of people's lives are choreographed like a bad television show. Boredom is a national disease despite the fact that everyone is busy. How sad. Thanks, ANNA

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I NEVER HAD A PLAY DATE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 7, 2007 7:18 AM   
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Everything is scheduled and run in a business like way. Most fun used to be spontaneous. Now every part of our lives has an instruction book. No more surprises. Kids can't even go out to play. Danger lurks everywhere. Or so we're told. Pornography is all over and yet I hear of sexless marriages. Much of people's lives are choreographed like a bad television show. Boredom is a national disease despite the fact that everyone is busy. How sad. Thanks, ANNA

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Terrytom
Posted by: terryton on Apr 7, 2007 7:35 AM   
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I’m a big fan of Barbara and her hypothesis is most interesting. Just last week I was thinking that the obesity problem in America might be due to self-medicating with food. I know I do. Now Barbara’s research into her book and her conclusions reinforces my belief. My thoughts were more about all the bad news and stress in our lives leading to depression but our increased isolation is no doubt a contributing factor. The obesity problem is now spreading worldwide.
Her prescription for better health sounds great.

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» RE: Terrytom Posted by: Gravitas
TOO MUCH FREEDOM is the problem
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Apr 7, 2007 7:36 AM   
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tribes, in addition to these nice 'dancing' rituals, also have, sometimes very severe, methods of raising children, enforcing collective mores, and prohibiting certain behaviour. These rituals, rites, and laws help bond the people together. In addition it was rare (except in case of warfare or to get new women) for tribe to do much intermingling. So a child could expect to be born, raised, live, and die in the same social setting. When people know their neighbours, know the rules, have roles expected of them, etc they are going to be happy. Modern Western society has, pretty much, destroyed any sense of belonging (town, family, group, etc) except in negative or superficial ways (I love my football club). This has been replaced by the "happyness" to do drugs, porno, drink, sexual perversions, television, weird clothes, etc. Since there is no shame or consequence and our negative behaviour doesn't effect anyone I know we have the freedom with no sense of responsibility.

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» Good rant. Posted by: Sojourner
My life still has regular fun gatherings and bonding rituals.
Posted by: fibrowitch on Apr 7, 2007 9:27 AM   
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There are places and events where large groups of people who collect together on a regular basis to have fun and share a common interest, and bond doing it. Sadly Barbara, who I normally admire, just did not do enough research. There is a large community of Science Fiction fandom or ‘fen’ as we prefer to be called. Many a weekend finds several thousand of us gathered together to talk about our favorite authors, movies or television shows. Discussions range from mythology in modern fiction, too living on other planets. And parties, oh how we party. And how we look to any excuse to do so.

Well educated, gainfully employed, and mostly white (about 70 percent) we gather together to pretend for just a few hours we are something we are not. Be it knights in shinny armor, or ladies from the Victorian era, a student at Hogwarts, or a time traveling two hearted resident of Gallifrey, we enjoy stepping out side of the box most people live in every day. A few lucky ones get to live their dreams, to be residents of this world all the time. To write books that are not deep, that are not life changing, that will never make Oprah’s book club. But will bring joy, laughter and a connection between people who might other wise have never meet.

To not have considered other ways people gather, from the ones who still attend midnight showings of Rocky Horror, to the people standing in line at the movie theatre near my home to attend tonight’s Buffy sing along. Barbara has missed the way many people gather today.

Barbara, you are welcome to be my invited guest at the next Science Fiction Convention I attend. Bring your self, an open mind, and lots of books. But be careful, conventions with intelligent like minded people are addicting. I would be at one now, except for this rotten flu, which also has effect my ability to write well.

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For once, something positive on Alternet
Posted by: Seyazou on Apr 7, 2007 10:05 AM   
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I'm so used to reading doom and gloom articles on Alternet about everything from the Bush/Iraq disaster to global warming; and while it is important and necessary to know about these issues, it is refreshing to see for once a positive article here about the timeless human need to socialize and, for lack of a better phrase, have fun.

All our technology (including the shinny new laptop I'm typing this on) has had the negative effect of isolating us from each other. Though being here in New York City where there still is a great deal of physical social interaction, my travels to other parts of this country have shown me just how isolated people have become, living in their meticulously engineered sub-divisions, where it seems like every blade of grass is arranged perfectly. While neighborhoods like this may look nice, at the same time they also seem sterile, lacking in any sense of organic human community. People have their notebooks, PDA's, sidekicks, mobile phones, etc. that keeps them connected to this amorphous and non-physical entity known as the Internet, but unfortunately, all our gadgets disconnects too many people from those living in their same neighborhood or larger physical community, to the point where your next door neighbor can remain a complete stranger.

What does this have to do with collective joy? Everything. As human beings whose basic emotional tendencies and character has not changed significantly in 10,000 years, we need to socialize, interact with each other physically. In this country we see the need for this is sports, football, basketball, baseball, etc. It must not be enough though because still too many Americans are isolated and depressed; and too many self-medicate with alcohol, drugs or develop dysfunctional behavior (think of the rash of school shootings in middle and rural America over the past 10 years - committed by people who felt isolated, not part of “acceptable” society in their school or community).

I believe the powers that be in this country feel it is okay to have collective fun, so long as its politically harmless (sports) and when corporations can profit off it (think how much money is involved in the Super Bowl). Yet when it is a political event, or grass-roots, bottom-up movement that involves group effort and group joy, the corporate sponsors are replaced by police infiltration and uniforms holding camcorders looking out for subversion. Not as bloody as when the Patricians of ancient Rome cracked down on Dionysian revelers, but the intent is the same.

The ethic, created both by Puritans and Calvinist, and reinforced by those looking at the bottom line in the board-rooms of the world, that unrelenting work both increases productivity and somehow cleanses the soul, is in my opinion straight-up bullsh*t, and always has been. My ancestors' worked unrelentingly as slaves, but it wasn't toil that brought Black people together, it was the hope and faith of freedom that kept them going. This little history lesson aside, I'm not surprised that you see people who have the means to, dropping out of the corporate pressure cooker to start their own business, or just take a few minutes to breathe and enjoy life a little.

Nothing wrong with technology, I love it myself, but it needs to be put in its place. We need to re-discover how to really enjoy ourselves in a group again, enjoy the moment. I could go on and on but I'll stop here. I do have hope that our basic human need for fun and socialization will somehow prevail over social isolation. We all have limits to being repressed, controlled and manipulated. Sooner or later albeit gradually and maybe un-noticed, the irrepressible human spirit and human nature will triumph; it has happened before and can happen again.

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The Puritans didn't do us any favors.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Apr 7, 2007 11:18 AM   
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From the article:
" It's a big thing to come across a lost tradition. I want people to own it and rediscover it. I want people to say, 'Hey, this is a human skill and tradition, and we can generate joy without commodities -- without someone setting it up for us.' "

This was a big part of the Hippie era, which, unfortunately, collapsed for many of the same reasons we don't have celebrations today (anyone remember the Altamont/Stones debacle?). We may have the genes for mass celebration, but we have forgotten for the most part how to express them. I shudder to think about mass celebrations in today's Hip Hop/Rap era, where nearly every concert or club performance results in shootings and/or beatings. Depression, self-loathing and anger borne of isolation have become endemic in our violently permissive society, and are increasingly becoming the only way that people express themselves.

That sexual activity between consenting adults is considered pornography, while beheadings, disembowelments and other forms of visceral brutality are not only condoned but celebrated in pop culture, tells us all we need to know about how far down the wrong road our society has ventured.

We in America are still suffering the effects of a prolonged, "stick-up-the-butt," Calvinist, Puritan hangover, that apparently gets worse with time. The cure will require fundamental (no pun intended) changes to the very nature of our society – and to our somewhat damaged human psyches.

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» Fundamental Changes Posted by: buffeliscious
Riiiight Barbara - It Must Be Lack Of Bonding . . .
Posted by: MAD on Apr 7, 2007 11:40 AM   
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"In her new book, "Dancing in the Streets," Barbara Ehrenreich links the current epidemic of depression with our lack of group bonding rituals and explores how festive gatherings can be vehicles for social change."

Or it could be that nearly 50 million Americans have no health insurance.

It might also be that millions of Americans are poised to lose their homes because they were exploited in a quickie, sub-prime lending fix for a recessionary economy not allowed to correct naturally. Or maybe they were just too stupid to live within their means. Either way - thanks Alan.

It could be the vicious civil war we've incited half a world away that's killed thousands of American soldiers and Iraqi civilians and is in no small part responsible for making the US the most hated country on earth.

It could be the fact that there have never been more American millionaires and billionaires yet the middle class continues to shrink while the wealth gap widens.

It could be that we've turned into a nation of degenerate TV addicts who live vicariously through one of the Desperate Housewives.

Or it could be that you worked for Circuit City, just got fired and were told to re-apply for your job with a 40% pay cut. Maybe you worked for Wal-Mart and got shit-canned just days before receiving benefits. Maybe you lost your entire savings in the Enron, Global Crossing, Worldcom, etc scandal and watched helplessly while your elected officials did fuck all to recup that money. Pssst - your elected officials were in on it and are spending your money while we speak.

You might be one of the two million (mostly black) Americans currently incarcerated for petty crimes including using and selling marijuana.

It might be the fact that we are trillions of dollars in debt and continue to spend trillions we don't have on a losing war which has further widened the wealth gap by contributing to the likes of General Dynamics, Blackwater and Northrup.

Or maybe you're just sad and lonely because you know that there's a slightly greater than 50% chance that the dumb fuck man or woman next to you voted for Bush, not once, but twice!!

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Barbara Ehrenreich writing about "collective joy" is like...
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Apr 7, 2007 12:09 PM   
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Alberto Gonzalez writing about civil disobedience?
Britney Spears writing about motherhood?
Kim Jong Il writing about humility?
Donald Trump writing about backpacking?
Hillary Clinton writing about baking cookies?
Keith Richards writing about sobriety?

Maybe she should stick to complaining about work.

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» Not too good at math, huh? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» Maybe Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
Fascist Solidarity
Posted by: pdxstudent on Apr 7, 2007 12:14 PM   
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I am very interested to know how Ehrenreich deals with the extremely thin line that separates the kind of positive group interaction she is talking about and the solidarity characteristic of fascist movements. There is no doubt in my mind that as irrefutably social beings, everything about us depends on other people. I just also think of how much fun the crowds are having in Thomas Mann's Mario and the Magician, a wonderful story about the rise of fascism.

I also think of a very smart analysis of American sports offered by George Carlin. Carlin sees the rise of football as our national sport, and the decline of baseball, as problematic. It isn't simply that they are both situations where people get together and have a great time. There is a metaphoric significance, mythic even, to the sports as popular events. Football is thoroughly about the individual. The individual in this case is the quarter-back, who launches each play, and is supported by his team but in an unequal way. Baseball on the other hand is not about any particular team-member. You would imagine this to be the case with basketball too, but the coverage of basketball pins the accomplishments and basic value of the team on individual players, usually those with the most attention outside of the court.

There are going to be problems with attaining collective joy in a society has larges as we have. The return to community can only hope to avoid nationalism and fascism, or their functional equivalents, by focusing on relatively small groups. Neighborhoods, towns, universities, and the like. I hope Ehrenreich addresses this.

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Interesting Article
Posted by: Gravitas on Apr 7, 2007 3:26 PM   
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Good article! Sounds like an interesting book. I think we do have rituals, they are just not joyful. Whenever women get together, they can literally spend hours and hours on diet babble. Sadly, reinforcing body hatred is a major bonding agent for women, and increasingly men. Can you imagine if we spent as much time on our positive attributes as we do yaking about cellulite and crows feet how different the world would be? Sad that we have unprecidented opportunity in modern life and we have found a way to be overwhelmingly negative!

The Chinese character for crisis is danger plus opportunity. We have a tremendous opportunity to change our lifestyle because of global warming that could bring back such joyful bonding rituals. Walking together instead of cars. Crafting together (I mean making things, not the other kind) instead of buying them, gardening together etc. Turning off media and sharing our own talents with each other!

I think I am going to put this book on my reading list! Hope CPL has it!

"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time!"

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Here's how to get started
Posted by: berthania on Apr 7, 2007 3:40 PM   
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The next time you have a birthday celebration, invite the children as well and plan an activity for them. Make the event happen at a time that's good for all. Include storytelling for adults and children. Include an opportunity for people to use their hands and play. Make up a story and act it out. Everybody gets to be a child and get in touch with their inner 7 year old. Make things from clay. Play is fundamental to us all. We all can benefit from interacting with people of all ages including those who don't look like us. Maybe the meal is about rice from different cultures...The possibilities are infinite. We need only to give this as much thought, attention, planning as we do that new outfit we buy are the purchase of our next car. The value created with people is infinitely superior to any other. The laughter and joy will happen as a consequence.

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Contra Dancing
Posted by: TerryS on Apr 7, 2007 4:35 PM   
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Contra Dancing is an excellent example of
collective joy!

I was recently at an excellent environmental conference
that included Contra Dancing. On the last evening
of the conference they held the Contra dance in the main
hall. They had a live band, and brought in a group of
experienced Contra Dancers so that the dance
wouldn't become bedlam. I had a wonderful time, and
it was the most *fun* part of the conference.

Since then we've been to a few more Contra Dances.
It's always fun, and I'm always in a great mood
afterwards.

P.s. unlike Ballroom Dancing, Contra is very easy.
P.P.S. the music is usually live celtic folk

http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/link/jig/
a_contra_dancers_primer.htm

http://x.webring.com/hub?ring=contraring&list

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» Does it have anything to do with Nicaragua? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
Burning Man BABY!
Posted by: ignoti et occulti on Apr 7, 2007 4:36 PM   
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Like she mentions, Burning Man is THEE modern festival of America. Hell I met many people from japan, england, thailand, china and Australian when I've gone before...so it may be thee festival of the modern times. Imagine the best party you ever went to...then imagine that party times 4000 with a different theme for each. NOW imagine that happening every night for more than a week! Add the ever present art, expression, freedom and survivalist mindset required to live a week in a alkaline desert and you have an experience that more often than not changes one in profound ways. It's like a karmic cleanser in some ways. Check out David Pinchbeck novels to read more.

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Disconnect between all of us
Posted by: ateo on Apr 7, 2007 6:01 PM   
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I've traveled and lived in various parts of the U.S. and the most isolated and disconnected people seem to come from the Washington D.C. area. People rarely make eye contact, let alone talk to one another unless absolutely necessary. This isn't as true throughout the "South", Mid-west, or even the West coast. I've never lived in New York or anywhere in the "North" but from what I understand, it's as bad or worse.

It may have something to do with the fact that these areas tend to also be the most diverse. There is a sense throughout other parts of the nation that everyone is "like you" and that seems to make them more likely to interact with one another. In the more diverse areas there is a recognition of the fact that a great many people are not "like you" at all and likely have little to nothing in common with you.

It seems like the very old, typically near retirement age, are the only ones who are willing to strike up a conversation with a stranger. Otherwise it is nothing to be literally face to face with someone, 2 feet apart, on a metro train and not speak one word to each other. I guess there is an understanding that the way life is isn't ideal for any of us but we're all caught up in it and what can we do?

I know I won't be the one to go against the grain and try to talk to strangers on the metro. People who do that are considered "crazies" and best avoided. That's kind of interesting isn't it? The social among us are considered "crazy" and the norm is to avoid contact with people.

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This rings a bell.....see Putnam's piece on "Bowling Alone"
Posted by: righteousbabe on Apr 7, 2007 10:46 PM   
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Way back in my PoliSci grad school days I recall an article by Robert Putnam called "Bowling Alone" in which he uses bowling league participation as an indicator of "social connectedness". To me, there is a strong connection to this article about "collective joy" in that our social bonds to community outside the nuclear family are rapidly deteriorating. See: http://www.bowlingalone.com/ for the full scoop on this related subject.

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Moving On
Posted by: sofla100 on Apr 8, 2007 1:51 PM   
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This article demonstrates a creative use of the English language, but it has all been said before. From the humanistic psychology movement, alla post 1960's America, along with artistic movements such as "post-modernism," the "lack of meaning" in American life has been a target of writers and philosophers for decades now. Flowery words and splendid metaphors aside, I think it is dubious anyone will come up with something really new on this topic. Bottom line however, computers and the internet, cell phones, the modern economy and high cost of living, none of it is going to go away anytime soon. But, also, was life really better in those "good old days," when people had "myth and traditions" galore?. We are told it was so, but history generally demonstrates life has most always been short and brutish for the masses. And, I doubt if anything that "modern salvation" and relief from depression is somehow going to be found collectively, in some kind of new rituals or traditions. I think however, it is going to be something that individuals work out. Or work out in small groups with those who are like minded. The "collective" today is the mob. Or it is the Conservative Coalition that put a monster of a President in power and dimmed the prospects of millions around the globe. No, we don't need nor will we find somehing now that will halt the eventual disintegration of our society, we just have to do the best we can with ouselves and those we are close to.

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» RE: Moving On Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
True wealth is communal joy and belonging
Posted by: xerxes on Apr 9, 2007 11:49 AM   
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I was born in Pakistan but moved to the U.S. when I was 4 yeard old. I still go back to visit my reatives every three or four years, and those are usually the happiest and joyful days I have. True, life is definitely harder there in terms of material comforts (electricity shortages, scarcity of water, bad traffic, dirty air, etc.) but there is a whole lot more communal joy. From the festive weddings with all the dancing and singing and storytelling to regular dinner/music parties where all the generations gather together and have lots of laughs and good times, life seems so rich and varied.

Most people are not materailly wealthy, so they have to cook their own food from scratch, sew their clothes, repair things instead of buying new replacements, and generally rely on each other much more than we in the U.S do. This has its problems, too, but you rarely see as much depression, anti-social behavior, or hedonistic self-centered narcissism as you see here.

What more, I find the level of conversation so much more literate and well-mannered there than I do here. Americans generally have lost the art of conversation, as we're so used to passive communication or vulgarities. This is tragic, as it robs daily life of one its most pleasurable aspects.

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