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Hillary and Barack: Right Candidates, Wrong Question

By Gloria Steinem, Women's Media Center. Posted April 4, 2007.


It's way too early to know which candidate will earn trust or survive Swift-boating, but forcing a choice between race and sex only conceals what's really going on.

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This commentary is reprinted from a column published in The New York Times, February 7, 2007, and updated on the Women's Media Center, March 20th, 2007.

Even before Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton threw their exploratory committees into the ring, every reporter seemed to be asking which candidate are Americans more ready for, a white woman or a black man?

With all due respect to the journalistic dilemma of reporting two "firsts" at the same time -- two viable presidential candidates who aren't the usual white faces over collars and ties -- I think this is a dumb and destructive question.

It's dumb because most Americans are smart enough to figure out that a member of a group may or may not represent its interests. After all, many African-Americans opposed the appointment of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court in 1991 because they were aware of his record -- and the views of his conservative supporters.

Similarly, most women weren't excited about Elizabeth Dole as a presidential candidate for the 2000 election because she seemed more attached to those in power than those in need of it. Indeed, Elizabeth Dole even got support from people who opposed women making their own reproductive decisions. (If Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice decides to run for president, I imagine that she would face the same fate.)

The question is also destructive because it's divisive. In fact, women of all races and men of color -- who together form an underrepresented majority of this country -- have often found themselves in coalition. Both opposed the wars in Vietnam and Iraq more and earlier than their white male counterparts. White women have also been more likely than white men to support pro-equality candidates of color, and people of color have been more likely to support pro-equality white women.

It's way too early to know which candidate will earn trust or survive Swift-boating, but forcing a choice between race and sex only conceals what's really going on. In February polls, about 60 percent of African-American Democrats supported Hillary Clinton, while only about 20 percent supported Barack Obama. These surprising numbers probably had less to do with Senator Obama himself than with whether people felt he'd been around long enough to trust, whether the name "Clinton," with its associations of racial inclusiveness, was a better bet, and whether a member of one's own group -- a group that has endured a history of discrimination -- could win anyway. (This disease of doubt plays a big role: 81 percent of black voters tell pollsters that a white man will get the Democratic nomination, while only 58 percent of white voters do. Such doubt also helps to explain why women are more likely than men to support Hillary Clinton, but also more likely to say she can't win.) Sure enough, by mid-March, after both candidates had spoken at the civil rights celebration in Selma on March 5, the polls shifted, with Obama leading Clinton among African American voters 44 to 30.

Still, the larger question is: Why compare allies and ignore the opposition? Both Senators Clinton and Obama are civil rights advocates, feminists, environmentalists and critics of the war in Iraq, though she voted early and wrong, and he spoke out early and right. Both have resisted pandering to the right, something that sets them apart from any Republican candidate, including John McCain. Both have Washington and foreign policy experience; George W. Bush did not when he first ran for president. Indeed, Hillary Clinton has something no presidential candidate in history has been able to claim: eight years of on-the-job training.

But the greatest reason for progressives to refuse to be drawn into an irrelevant debate about Senators Clinton and Obama is that it is destructive. We can accomplish much more if we act as a coalition. Think, for instance, of the powerful 19th-century coalition for universal adult suffrage. The parallels between being a chattel slave by race and chattel as a wife, daughter or indentured worker turned abolitionists into suffragists, and vice versa. This coalition against a caste system based on race and sex turned the country on its head -- until it was divided by giving the vote to its smallest part, Negro men.

Sojourner Truth famously warned that this division would cripple the movement for decades to come -- and it did. Only a half-century later did white and black women get the vote, by then tarnished by the racist rhetoric of some white women and diminished by racist restrictions and violence at polls. And only decades after that, in the 1960s, did the civil rights movement start a new wave of equality that spread into feminism, the Native American movement, the gay and lesbian movement, and much more.

But those activists were reinventing the wheel. They were rediscovering Gunnar Myrdal's verdict of the 1940s that "the parallel between women and Negroes is the deepest truth of American life, for together they form the unpaid or underpaid labor on which America runs."

This time, we could learn from history. We could double our chances by working for one of these candidates, not against the other. For now, I've figured out how to answer reporters when they ask if I'm supporting Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.

I just say yes.

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Gloria Steinem is co-founder of the Women's Media Center.

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Posted by: gjames on Apr 4, 2007 12:11 AM   
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Clinton & Obama are both Democrats I can be proud of. The one blemish on either, in fact, is Hillary's decision not to leverage her clout as early opposition to the war. For that reason, I say bring on President Obama & Senate Majority Leader Clinton.

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» RE: ither way Posted by: cuja1
» RE: ither way Posted by: gjames
Clinton-Obama in 08
Posted by: robchapman on Apr 4, 2007 4:19 AM   
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Clinton-Obama in 08.

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» absolutely Posted by: mr. green
» RE: Clinton-Obama in 08 Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: Clinton-Obama in 08 Posted by: Lincoln fan
Not only that...
Posted by: H_H on Apr 4, 2007 4:22 AM   
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"But those activists were reinventing the wheel. They were rediscovering Gunnar Myrdal's verdict of the 1940s that "the parallel between women and Negroes is the deepest truth of American life, for together they form the unpaid or underpaid labor on which America runs."

...Because everyone knows that self-directed vacuuming in the well-furnished suburban home your husband bought for you is exactly as hellish and oppressive as harvesting cotton in the blazing Mississippi sun. There's no substantial differences between the two, are there?

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» RE: Not only that... Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» RE: Not only that... Posted by: zackrobbin
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» RE: Not only that... Posted by: Swedish liberal
"Both have resisted pandering to the right"???
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 4, 2007 4:26 AM   
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Which Hillary are we talking about here? Which bouncing ball have you been following?

On the plus side, I agree that it's a stupid debate. I would vote for a black, female, lesbian cross-dresser with three heads and one giant eyeball if they were a good candidate. The "debate" is just entertainment for mass-consumption.

I don't trust either one of them, because they are part of the slick-talking, wishy-washy Democrat Machine...Obama comes across as more articulate, intelligent, and down-to-earth, but maybe that's all the more reason not to trust him.

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The power structure in both parties want us to focus on sex and race.
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Apr 4, 2007 7:44 AM   
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This applies in 'rightwing' and 'leftwing' circles and, most importantly, in the 'mainstream' of both parties and their paid for shills the media. This allows 'debate' to be focused on ancillary issues: 'is someone black enough', 'he is articulate', 'he is clean', 'can we elect a woman', 'does she stand by her man', 'is she a lesbian', 'did she have affairs with Vince Foster', 'will her husband continue to philander', etc. Instead of focusing on: who is funding the campaigns, what are their actual views, what have they actually voted on, who are their close associates, who have they worked for, etc.

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» Imagine Posted by: disgusted
» RE: Imagine Posted by: albrechtkrausse
One wrong candidate -- for sure.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 4, 2007 8:04 AM   
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While my mind is open about Barack being president, I can't say the same for Hillary -- which can be explained by a simple question:

What's left after you take away $26 million and Bill Clinton?

ANSWER: An empty pants suit.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with irrefutable, hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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Oh, can we just get the damn primaries over with already?
Posted by: xbj on Apr 4, 2007 8:11 AM   
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So Rove can quit dividing and conquering and we can get these two hooked up as Madame President and Vice President and get on with rebuilding America and real American Democracy and our ruined standing in the world?

Preferably before BushChenyCo get us nuked by everyone else in the world?

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The only real question isn't being asked by these demos or any candidates
Posted by: amacd on Apr 4, 2007 9:12 AM   
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Gloria notes, "It's dumb because most Americans are smart enough to figure out that a member of a group may or may not represent its interests."

This may be true of many 'groups', but not of those seeking to be figurehead for the global corporate elite Empire that IS America.

Black, woman, hispanic, Mormon, Catholic, Jew, etc. doesn't matter. All that matters, and all that is vetted of any candidate for playing the figurehead role of President in "Vichy America" is --- will you unquestionably and guilefully front for the global corporate Empire and help keep the clueless believing in the facade of "Vichy America".

Both Hillary and Obama pass with flying colors (as do all other Empire's vetted candidates, who get MSM acknowledgement).

Oh, that most important question that you will never here any Empire 'approved' candidate ever address:

The very most important question that the American people should be asking (and looking for) in any candidate for president in '08 is not, "Where do you stand on the war?", but, "Where do you stand on the EMPIRE that has taken over our country --- an Empire of which the war in Iraq is only the biggest and most visible crime?"

Hillary and Obama will never question the Empire that is auditioning them for their bit part on "American idol" --- the Vichy edition.

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» well said Posted by: disgusted
greenguy
Posted by: ossie on Apr 4, 2007 10:45 AM   
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Obbama and Clinton won;t move Bush's agenda more than 2 degree left.Regarding the M.E.they will move ZERO degree.Both are Zionists lovers to the MAX.Dip pockets and corp. media are pushing both of them.

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» RE: greenguy Posted by: Sparks56
My retort to the same old question...
Posted by: Suburban Dad on Apr 4, 2007 11:05 AM   
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..."Is America ready, blah blah blah" I say, "Have you noticed that the boob in power now is a WHITE MAN?" If Clinton or Obama both SUCK, they're still better than the Jackass-in-Chief we have now!

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Both have resisted pandering to the right, something that sets them apart from any Republican..."
Posted by: aebartle on Apr 4, 2007 11:28 AM   
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Gloria, are you kidding? Hillary has worked really hard pandering to the right to make herself "electable," waffling on her pro-choice stance and refusing to admit that her vote on the Iraq War was wrong. I realize she's trying to look past the Democratic primaries to the general election, but we need a Democrat who is actually willing to stand up to the wingnuts and not back down on issues that are important to the nation, regardless of who he or she is talking to at the time. The Democratic Party needs to stand firm on its base issues, and Hillary Clinton is the wrong candidate for the job.

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I just say yes
Posted by: edith on Apr 4, 2007 12:14 PM   
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to more hacks thrown up by the Wall St, real estate, Hollywood,Zionist elites. Is that what you mean Gloria?

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» RE: I just say yes Posted by: ignition
Neither Obama or Clinton will win
Posted by: Swedish liberal on Apr 4, 2007 3:12 PM   
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I wish that America was ready for a African-American or a woman as president. I do not think so, however neither Obama a or Clinton will win. Since they are more conservative than most Republicans, why should Americans vote for them than voting for the original?. McCain is more liberal and at the same time more conservative than Obama or Clinton.

It is sad that a true liberal is not a presidential candidate. By that I do not mean populists as Edwards or the total disaster "the scream". How he coud become chair of the DNC is a mystey to me.

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Once a Bunny..Always a hare brain...
Posted by: ekipnrut on Apr 4, 2007 4:21 PM   
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Still, the larger question is: Why compare allies and ignore the opposition? Both Senators Clinton and Obama are civil rights advocates, feminists, environmentalists and critics of the war in Iraq, though she voted early and wrong, and he spoke out early and right. (Actually she voted for the war, votes to cotinue to fund it and gave a thumbs up to the Patriot Act,in the aftermath of Lebanon this summer past she couldn't even summon the moral substance to vote for legislation to curtail the use of cluster bombs) Both have resisted pandering to the right,b> (AIPAC-both,Murdoch -Hillary), something that sets them apart from any Republican candidate, including John McCain. Both have Washington and foreign policy experience(Exactly What foreign policy experience?); George W. Bush did not when he first ran for president. (So the incompetence of the naive simpleton is decidedly preferable to that of the slack jawed moron??)Indeed, Hillary Clinton has something no presidential candidate in history has been able to claim: eight years of on-the-job training. (Yeah..but that kinda 'rejuvenate' marriage stuff has nothing to do with being POTUS...:O) )

But the greatest reason for progressives to refuse to be drawn into an irrelevant debate about Senators Clinton and Obama is that it is destructive. We can accomplish much more if we act as a coalition. Think, for instance, of the powerful 19th-century coalition for universal adult suffrage. The parallels between being a chattel slave by race and chattel as a wife, daughter or indentured worker turned abolitionists into suffragists, and vice versa.(The terror stricken drownings while chained to
lower decks packed like sardines when a slave ship breaks apart in the Atlantic...the mass rapes..the object lesson spot lynchings or shootings as slave control mechanisms...being chased as a runaway through the swamps of Georgia or the woods of Alabama by hounds who WOULD kill you ....Gee.you mean to tell me that Miss Anne went through all this stuff too??...Well I'LL be...)

This coalition against a caste system based on race and sex turned the country on its head -- until it was divided by giving the vote to its smallest part, Negro men.(Ummmm, the word is"Black'..."Negro' is so mid twentieth century...like'Bitch'
Moreover Blacks were effectively denied the right to vote en masse throughout the South..on pain of death...up until 1965 with passage of the Voting Rights Act culminating a decade of bitter bloody struggle)

Sojourner Truth famously warned that this division would cripple the movement for decades to come -- and it did. Only a half-century later did white and black women get the vote, by then tarnished by the racist rhetoric of some white women and diminished by racist restrictions and violence at polls. And only decades after that, in the 1960s, did the civil rights movement start a new wave of equality that spread into feminism, the Native American movement,(Funny that you mention those Native American Indian folks...why just the other day we Blacks got some old fashion 'no good deed goes
unpunished' reward from our Cherokee Nation"Brothers'.:O))

Right now..I'm gonna have to stick with Nancy on this...and
JUST SAY NO!!!!!

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Oh Please
Posted by: opeluboy on Apr 4, 2007 4:32 PM   
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I can't recall reading such a load of crap on this site before. Steinem seems oblivious to facts and her faux feminism and civil rights apparently does not include those women we're bombing, as she sees little problem with this.

Steinem should look up the word "progressive." Hillary Clinton is NOT one, nor is Obama.

God, I wish people would wake up.

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» RE: Oh Please Posted by: xbj
» RE: Oh Please xbj Posted by: ekipnrut
» RE: Oh Please xbj Posted by: xbj
Frankly, Obama and Clinton aren't the only candidates
Posted by: susannunes on Apr 4, 2007 6:35 PM   
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out there, and neither of them could win a general election to save their lives.

Why won't Steinem, like virtually everybody in the punditocracy and media, ask just WHY Hillary is running. I don't for a second believe she is running because she really wants the job. No, she's running because her old man can't run for a third term. And HE desperately wants back in the White House to clean up the mess Bush has left behind.

THAT, not her stands on the issues, is what will sink her. There is TOO much conflict-of-interest in a candidate who is married to a former president who is term-limited. It's not right-wing spin, it's not sexism, it's truth. The Republicans don't even have to "swift-boat" her. The American people will reject Hillary Clinton because her candidacy is basically a cover for Bill to circumvent the 22nd amendment.

If you don't believe this, I have a bridge to the 21st century I'd like to sell you.

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When Titans Clash
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Apr 4, 2007 8:45 PM   
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When the dust settles from the 18 month battle, after $50 million has been blown in primary election advertising, when Hillary and Barack have knocked each other's blocks off, John Edwards will be the Democratic Candidate. I suspect that backdoor Republican money is going to Barack for the sole purpose of knocking off Hillary. Of course this is just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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eeep!
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 4, 2007 11:21 PM   
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I originally read the heading as "Hilary and Borat"...

=8-o :D

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I disagree
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Apr 6, 2007 4:45 PM   
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"the greatest reason for progressives to refuse to be drawn into an irrelevant debate about Senators Clinton and Obama is that it is destructive."

The reason that the debate is irrelevant is that the DLC will back whichever candidate is most acceptable to the corporate establishment and declare the other "unelectable". Then as in the past the frightened progressives will vote for "the lesser evil" party. I don't need my crystal ball anymore. If you need one look for mine on e-bay.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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