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Hillary and Barack: Right Candidates, Wrong Question
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Even before Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton threw their exploratory committees into the ring, every reporter seemed to be asking which candidate are Americans more ready for, a white woman or a black man?
With all due respect to the journalistic dilemma of reporting two "firsts" at the same time -- two viable presidential candidates who aren't the usual white faces over collars and ties -- I think this is a dumb and destructive question.
It's dumb because most Americans are smart enough to figure out that a member of a group may or may not represent its interests. After all, many African-Americans opposed the appointment of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court in 1991 because they were aware of his record -- and the views of his conservative supporters.
Similarly, most women weren't excited about Elizabeth Dole as a presidential candidate for the 2000 election because she seemed more attached to those in power than those in need of it. Indeed, Elizabeth Dole even got support from people who opposed women making their own reproductive decisions. (If Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice decides to run for president, I imagine that she would face the same fate.)
The question is also destructive because it's divisive. In fact, women of all races and men of color -- who together form an underrepresented majority of this country -- have often found themselves in coalition. Both opposed the wars in Vietnam and Iraq more and earlier than their white male counterparts. White women have also been more likely than white men to support pro-equality candidates of color, and people of color have been more likely to support pro-equality white women.
It's way too early to know which candidate will earn trust or survive Swift-boating, but forcing a choice between race and sex only conceals what's really going on. In February polls, about 60 percent of African-American Democrats supported Hillary Clinton, while only about 20 percent supported Barack Obama. These surprising numbers probably had less to do with Senator Obama himself than with whether people felt he'd been around long enough to trust, whether the name "Clinton," with its associations of racial inclusiveness, was a better bet, and whether a member of one's own group -- a group that has endured a history of discrimination -- could win anyway. (This disease of doubt plays a big role: 81 percent of black voters tell pollsters that a white man will get the Democratic nomination, while only 58 percent of white voters do. Such doubt also helps to explain why women are more likely than men to support Hillary Clinton, but also more likely to say she can't win.) Sure enough, by mid-March, after both candidates had spoken at the civil rights celebration in Selma on March 5, the polls shifted, with Obama leading Clinton among African American voters 44 to 30.
Still, the larger question is: Why compare allies and ignore the opposition? Both Senators Clinton and Obama are civil rights advocates, feminists, environmentalists and critics of the war in Iraq, though she voted early and wrong, and he spoke out early and right. Both have resisted pandering to the right, something that sets them apart from any Republican candidate, including John McCain. Both have Washington and foreign policy experience; George W. Bush did not when he first ran for president. Indeed, Hillary Clinton has something no presidential candidate in history has been able to claim: eight years of on-the-job training.
But the greatest reason for progressives to refuse to be drawn into an irrelevant debate about Senators Clinton and Obama is that it is destructive. We can accomplish much more if we act as a coalition. Think, for instance, of the powerful 19th-century coalition for universal adult suffrage. The parallels between being a chattel slave by race and chattel as a wife, daughter or indentured worker turned abolitionists into suffragists, and vice versa. This coalition against a caste system based on race and sex turned the country on its head -- until it was divided by giving the vote to its smallest part, Negro men.
Sojourner Truth famously warned that this division would cripple the movement for decades to come -- and it did. Only a half-century later did white and black women get the vote, by then tarnished by the racist rhetoric of some white women and diminished by racist restrictions and violence at polls. And only decades after that, in the 1960s, did the civil rights movement start a new wave of equality that spread into feminism, the Native American movement, the gay and lesbian movement, and much more.
But those activists were reinventing the wheel. They were rediscovering Gunnar Myrdal's verdict of the 1940s that "the parallel between women and Negroes is the deepest truth of American life, for together they form the unpaid or underpaid labor on which America runs."
This time, we could learn from history. We could double our chances by working for one of these candidates, not against the other. For now, I've figured out how to answer reporters when they ask if I'm supporting Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
I just say yes.
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Posted by: H_H on Apr 4, 2007 4:22 AM
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...Because everyone knows that self-directed vacuuming in the well-furnished suburban home your husband bought for you is exactly as hellish and oppressive as harvesting cotton in the blazing Mississippi sun. There's no substantial differences between the two, are there?
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 4, 2007 4:26 AM
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On the plus side, I agree that it's a stupid debate. I would vote for a black, female, lesbian cross-dresser with three heads and one giant eyeball if they were a good candidate. The "debate" is just entertainment for mass-consumption.
I don't trust either one of them, because they are part of the slick-talking, wishy-washy Democrat Machine...Obama comes across as more articulate, intelligent, and down-to-earth, but maybe that's all the more reason not to trust him.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 4, 2007 8:04 AM
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What's left after you take away $26 million and Bill Clinton?
ANSWER: An empty pants suit.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with irrefutable, hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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» Republicans don't fear Hillary. They want her to be the Dem's nominee -- to insure a GOP victory.
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Posted by: xbj on Apr 4, 2007 8:11 AM
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Preferably before BushChenyCo get us nuked by everyone else in the world?
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Posted by: amacd on Apr 4, 2007 9:12 AM
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This may be true of many 'groups', but not of those seeking to be figurehead for the global corporate elite Empire that IS America.
Black, woman, hispanic, Mormon, Catholic, Jew, etc. doesn't matter. All that matters, and all that is vetted of any candidate for playing the figurehead role of President in "Vichy America" is --- will you unquestionably and guilefully front for the global corporate Empire and help keep the clueless believing in the facade of "Vichy America".
Both Hillary and Obama pass with flying colors (as do all other Empire's vetted candidates, who get MSM acknowledgement).
Oh, that most important question that you will never here any Empire 'approved' candidate ever address:
The very most important question that the American people should be asking (and looking for) in any candidate for president in '08 is not, "Where do you stand on the war?", but, "Where do you stand on the EMPIRE that has taken over our country --- an Empire of which the war in Iraq is only the biggest and most visible crime?"
Hillary and Obama will never question the Empire that is auditioning them for their bit part on "American idol" --- the Vichy edition.
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Posted by: Swedish liberal on Apr 4, 2007 3:12 PM
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It is sad that a true liberal is not a presidential candidate. By that I do not mean populists as Edwards or the total disaster "the scream". How he coud become chair of the DNC is a mystey to me.
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Apr 4, 2007 4:21 PM
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But the greatest reason for progressives to refuse to be drawn into an irrelevant debate about Senators Clinton and Obama is that it is destructive. We can accomplish much more if we act as a coalition. Think, for instance, of the powerful 19th-century coalition for universal adult suffrage. The parallels between being a chattel slave by race and chattel as a wife, daughter or indentured worker turned abolitionists into suffragists, and vice versa.(The terror stricken drownings while chained to
lower decks packed like sardines when a slave ship breaks apart in the Atlantic...the mass rapes..the object lesson spot lynchings or shootings as slave control mechanisms...being chased as a runaway through the swamps of Georgia or the woods of Alabama by hounds who WOULD kill you ....Gee.you mean to tell me that Miss Anne went through all this stuff too??...Well I'LL be...)
This coalition against a caste system based on race and sex turned the country on its head -- until it was divided by giving the vote to its smallest part, Negro men.(Ummmm, the word is"Black'..."Negro' is so mid twentieth century...like'Bitch'
Moreover Blacks were effectively denied the right to vote en masse throughout the South..on pain of death...up until 1965 with passage of the Voting Rights Act culminating a decade of bitter bloody struggle)
Sojourner Truth famously warned that this division would cripple the movement for decades to come -- and it did. Only a half-century later did white and black women get the vote, by then tarnished by the racist rhetoric of some white women and diminished by racist restrictions and violence at polls. And only decades after that, in the 1960s, did the civil rights movement start a new wave of equality that spread into feminism, the Native American movement,(Funny that you mention those Native American Indian folks...why just the other day we Blacks got some old fashion 'no good deed goes
unpunished' reward from our Cherokee Nation"Brothers'.:O))
Right now..I'm gonna have to stick with Nancy on this...and
JUST SAY NO!!!!!
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Posted by: opeluboy on Apr 4, 2007 4:32 PM
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Steinem should look up the word "progressive." Hillary Clinton is NOT one, nor is Obama.
God, I wish people would wake up.
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Posted by: susannunes on Apr 4, 2007 6:35 PM
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Why won't Steinem, like virtually everybody in the punditocracy and media, ask just WHY Hillary is running. I don't for a second believe she is running because she really wants the job. No, she's running because her old man can't run for a third term. And HE desperately wants back in the White House to clean up the mess Bush has left behind.
THAT, not her stands on the issues, is what will sink her. There is TOO much conflict-of-interest in a candidate who is married to a former president who is term-limited. It's not right-wing spin, it's not sexism, it's truth. The Republicans don't even have to "swift-boat" her. The American people will reject Hillary Clinton because her candidacy is basically a cover for Bill to circumvent the 22nd amendment.
If you don't believe this, I have a bridge to the 21st century I'd like to sell you.
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Apr 6, 2007 4:45 PM
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The reason that the debate is irrelevant is that the DLC will back whichever candidate is most acceptable to the corporate establishment and declare the other "unelectable". Then as in the past the frightened progressives will vote for "the lesser evil" party. I don't need my crystal ball anymore. If you need one look for mine on e-bay.
Bob Reichenbach,
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Posted by: H_H on Apr 4, 2007 4:22 AM
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...Because everyone knows that self-directed vacuuming in the well-furnished suburban home your husband bought for you is exactly as hellish and oppressive as harvesting cotton in the blazing Mississippi sun. There's no substantial differences between the two, are there?
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 4, 2007 4:26 AM
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On the plus side, I agree that it's a stupid debate. I would vote for a black, female, lesbian cross-dresser with three heads and one giant eyeball if they were a good candidate. The "debate" is just entertainment for mass-consumption.
I don't trust either one of them, because they are part of the slick-talking, wishy-washy Democrat Machine...Obama comes across as more articulate, intelligent, and down-to-earth, but maybe that's all the more reason not to trust him.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 4, 2007 8:04 AM
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What's left after you take away $26 million and Bill Clinton?
ANSWER: An empty pants suit.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with irrefutable, hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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» RE: One wrong candidate -- for sure.
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» Republicans don't fear Hillary. They want her to be the Dem's nominee -- to insure a GOP victory.
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Posted by: xbj on Apr 4, 2007 8:11 AM
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Preferably before BushChenyCo get us nuked by everyone else in the world?
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Posted by: amacd on Apr 4, 2007 9:12 AM
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This may be true of many 'groups', but not of those seeking to be figurehead for the global corporate elite Empire that IS America.
Black, woman, hispanic, Mormon, Catholic, Jew, etc. doesn't matter. All that matters, and all that is vetted of any candidate for playing the figurehead role of President in "Vichy America" is --- will you unquestionably and guilefully front for the global corporate Empire and help keep the clueless believing in the facade of "Vichy America".
Both Hillary and Obama pass with flying colors (as do all other Empire's vetted candidates, who get MSM acknowledgement).
Oh, that most important question that you will never here any Empire 'approved' candidate ever address:
The very most important question that the American people should be asking (and looking for) in any candidate for president in '08 is not, "Where do you stand on the war?", but, "Where do you stand on the EMPIRE that has taken over our country --- an Empire of which the war in Iraq is only the biggest and most visible crime?"
Hillary and Obama will never question the Empire that is auditioning them for their bit part on "American idol" --- the Vichy edition.
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» well said
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Posted by: Swedish liberal on Apr 4, 2007 3:12 PM
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It is sad that a true liberal is not a presidential candidate. By that I do not mean populists as Edwards or the total disaster "the scream". How he coud become chair of the DNC is a mystey to me.
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Posted by: ekipnrut on Apr 4, 2007 4:21 PM
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But the greatest reason for progressives to refuse to be drawn into an irrelevant debate about Senators Clinton and Obama is that it is destructive. We can accomplish much more if we act as a coalition. Think, for instance, of the powerful 19th-century coalition for universal adult suffrage. The parallels between being a chattel slave by race and chattel as a wife, daughter or indentured worker turned abolitionists into suffragists, and vice versa.(The terror stricken drownings while chained to
lower decks packed like sardines when a slave ship breaks apart in the Atlantic...the mass rapes..the object lesson spot lynchings or shootings as slave control mechanisms...being chased as a runaway through the swamps of Georgia or the woods of Alabama by hounds who WOULD kill you ....Gee.you mean to tell me that Miss Anne went through all this stuff too??...Well I'LL be...)
This coalition against a caste system based on race and sex turned the country on its head -- until it was divided by giving the vote to its smallest part, Negro men.(Ummmm, the word is"Black'..."Negro' is so mid twentieth century...like'Bitch'
Moreover Blacks were effectively denied the right to vote en masse throughout the South..on pain of death...up until 1965 with passage of the Voting Rights Act culminating a decade of bitter bloody struggle)
Sojourner Truth famously warned that this division would cripple the movement for decades to come -- and it did. Only a half-century later did white and black women get the vote, by then tarnished by the racist rhetoric of some white women and diminished by racist restrictions and violence at polls. And only decades after that, in the 1960s, did the civil rights movement start a new wave of equality that spread into feminism, the Native American movement,(Funny that you mention those Native American Indian folks...why just the other day we Blacks got some old fashion 'no good deed goes
unpunished' reward from our Cherokee Nation"Brothers'.:O))
Right now..I'm gonna have to stick with Nancy on this...and
JUST SAY NO!!!!!
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Posted by: opeluboy on Apr 4, 2007 4:32 PM
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Steinem should look up the word "progressive." Hillary Clinton is NOT one, nor is Obama.
God, I wish people would wake up.
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Posted by: susannunes on Apr 4, 2007 6:35 PM
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Why won't Steinem, like virtually everybody in the punditocracy and media, ask just WHY Hillary is running. I don't for a second believe she is running because she really wants the job. No, she's running because her old man can't run for a third term. And HE desperately wants back in the White House to clean up the mess Bush has left behind.
THAT, not her stands on the issues, is what will sink her. There is TOO much conflict-of-interest in a candidate who is married to a former president who is term-limited. It's not right-wing spin, it's not sexism, it's truth. The Republicans don't even have to "swift-boat" her. The American people will reject Hillary Clinton because her candidacy is basically a cover for Bill to circumvent the 22nd amendment.
If you don't believe this, I have a bridge to the 21st century I'd like to sell you.
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 4, 2007 11:21 PM
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=8-o :D
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Apr 6, 2007 4:45 PM
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The reason that the debate is irrelevant is that the DLC will back whichever candidate is most acceptable to the corporate establishment and declare the other "unelectable". Then as in the past the frightened progressives will vote for "the lesser evil" party. I don't need my crystal ball anymore. If you need one look for mine on e-bay.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
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