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Prosecutor Scandal Is the Beginning of Bush's End
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I'm glad that it began with, or at least around, Alberto.
The attorney general takes an oath to uphold the constitution and execute the law. When controversial matters come up, his role, traditionally, is often to be the guy who says, "We can't do that, it's against the law."
Gonzales took a different approach. He brought the ethics of a corporate lawyer to his office. He took it to be his job to find, or invent, a theory that would allow the administration to go forward. If the theory wouldn't hold up in court, or made little sense, that didn't matter. They could still maintain, with straight faces, that they believed what they were doing, on the advice of the attorney general, was legal and constitutional. If worst came to worst, they'd back off and move on, so long as the profit outweighed the penalty.
The most flagrant example is when Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld decided they wanted to torture people.
Aside from the moral, practical, and traditional problems with torture, there were legal problems. America's own War Crimes Act and the Geneva Conventions prohibit torture, torture lite, and even real life re-enactments of episodes from the TV show "24."
So Gonzales and his legal team came up with the theory: the Geneva Conventions don't apply to opponents in the War on Terror. Neither does domestic law. Indeed, nothing applies. They invented a category of person who has no rights, even if they're American citizens. Gonzales knew exactly how illegal it was. That's why he wrote a memo that explained, explicitly, that the reason to employ his theory was to "provide a solid defense to any future prosecution."
The administration also wanted to snatch people off the street - usually abroad, but here too -- and not bother with all the legal mumbo jumbo. Annoying. Cumbersome. Too expensive.
Unfortunately, Article 1, Section 9, of the Constitution says, "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." Habeas corpus means that if you are arrested or detained, the government has to bring you into the legal system and say why. Without that right, you don't have any other legal rights. You can't defend yourself, you can't call a lawyer, you can't notify your family. You just disappear.
Gonzales came up with the astonishing theory that the Constitution doesn't give people the automatic right to habeas corpus, it only says that if they happen to have it, it can't be taken away.
Gonzales was also the architect of the legal theory that "permits" the NSA -- and now we know the FBI and probably other agencies yet to be discovered -- to spy on U.S. citizens without warrants. He combined two ideas, that the War Powers Act, which Congress unfortunately passed after 9/11, allowed the president to do anything that could be said to be necessary to pursue the War on Terror, and that his authority as commander-in-chief trumped legal niceties such as Article IV of the Bill of Rights: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause ..."
He was not above using such thinking for his own benefit. The Office of Professional Responsibility, a government watchdog group, began an investigation of the NSA program of wiretaps without warrants. Gonzales learned he would be a likely subject of the investigation. He then advised President Bush to deny security clearances to the investigators. Bush did so, which brought the probe to a dead stop.
But that's not why I'm so happy it's starting with Alberto. It's that Gonzales starred in my favorite love-to-hate moment, so far, in the strange fog of madness and deception that fell over the country during this administration. It occurred on February 6, 2006, when he was called before the Senate Judiciary Committee to testify about that NSA program.
Democrats, then in the minority, asked that Gonzales testify under oath. An astonishing little charade was played out. Gonzales got to say he was glad to do so. The chairman at the time, Arlen Specter (R-PA) -- who totally adores the rhetorical high ground of posing to be a tough defender of the Constitution and the rule of law -- stepped in and ruled that it would not be necessary.
It must be acknowledged that not being under oath is a courtesy frequently extended to members of the executive branch. However, Gonzales was being questioned about a program he helped keep secret from Congress, that on the face of it was unconstitutional, and that explicitly evaded the FISA laws. Furthermore, the program had been briefly suspended during the run-up to, and during Gonzales' confirmation hearing, when he did have to testify under oath. Presumably so that when he was asked, in a necessarily general way, if the administration would engage in a program that evaded or broke the laws of the United States, in the name of national security, he could say that the question was a hypothetical and he could avoid answering and thus avoid committing perjury. Shortly after he was confirmed, the program was resumed. Yet Specter insisted that Gonzales, our top law enforcement officer, didn't have to be under oath.
Now, we get to Prosecutorgate. A few short months ago, Specter would still have been chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. And like all the Bush scandals of the last six years, it would have languished and disappeared into obfuscation, unsworn testimony, secret testimony without transcripts, and no testimony.
After all, Specter enabled the scandal. He was the one who 'slipped' the special clause into the Patriot Act that allowed the administration to avoid the confirmation process for the replacement federal prosecutors. Specter has explained, in that special Republican way, that it was really his chief of staff who did it and that he himself didn't even know about it.
But now, as Nancy Pelosi so gleefully said, "There's a new Congress in town." With subpoena power. In short order, we've already learned that:
- The reasons given for the firings were false.
- Gonzales lied (including under oath).
- The culture of present Justice Department makes no distinction between partisan politics and public policy, indeed they believe they should be one and the same.
- That people at the Justice Department were conscious they were not using the law as intended.
- The administration was pushing the Justice Department to help disenfranchise minority voters (under the doublespeak name 'voter fraud). Disenfranchising minority voters got Bush close enough in 2000 for the Supreme Court to toss him the election, it won him Ohio in 2004. Making sure black people (likely Democratic voters) don't vote is among the Republican Party's most vital programs. The opposite, getting more people to vote, from any walk of life, is presumably in the national interest.
- There is a pattern that the fired prosecutors were investigating important Republican office holders.
- The next person along the food chain wants to take the Fifth rather than testify.
- Two of Bush's closest advisors, Karl Rove and Harriet Miers, were involved.
- Out of another investigation, we have learned that when members of the administration wanted to do something that they knew was illegal or unethical, they used other computers for their e-mails.
The trail of testimony has already gone into the White House. It is a fantasy to think this took place without Bush's knowledge, involvement, and approval. The trail of breadcrumbs goes right down the hall and into the Oval Office. Prosecutorgate is not about Alberto Gonzales. It's about impeachment.
Not because Democrats want impeachment, but because testimony under oath, under the penalty of perjury, will reveal that high crimes and misdemeanors were committed. And additional ones, such as destruction of evidence, were subsequently committed in the process of covering up the original crimes.
The White House has already begun to make claims of executive privilege and is trying to block testimony, and higher up it goes, the more adamant they will be about refusing testimony. They will speechify, name call, and stall. They will hide documents and probably destroy some. They will search for distractions. If they can find generals on the Joint Chiefs reckless enough to go along, they may even start a new war.
In resisting, they will create new impeachable offenses. Perhaps the Supreme Court, which made him president, will try to save him by supporting executive privilege. The only way for Congress to then get at the truth, past the Court's roadblock, is through impeachment.
Perhaps Karl Rove will fall on his sword (It was all me! Farewell, I die for my Caesar! To become a billionaire lobbyist-consultant instead! Such sweet sorrow!). But then who will they blame for the next scandal, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?
From Prosecutorgate, every road leads to impeachment. And it's right that it started with Alberto.
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Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Apr 4, 2007 1:41 AM
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Let the much needed Justice begin at the heart of evil in bringing to an end the black tyrany of these monsters...
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» **nodding in agreement**
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Posted by: profmarcus on Apr 4, 2007 4:35 AM
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And, yes, I DO take it personally
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Apr 4, 2007 5:04 AM
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The first ADVICE that a WAR PRESIDENT is above the law, came from Svengala ConDoll, the then NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER.
And, it was she who made the case for torture when "Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld decided they wanted to torture people," and she has repeatedly defended the tactic.
I am much puzzled as to why almost everybody leaves her out of the criminal count.
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"Thugs with Crosses"
Thugs in suits,
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speaking Jesus,
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Blood of Inquisitors,
long cold, warms
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Posted by: SJR505 on Apr 4, 2007 6:59 AM
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THE RE-PUG-NICANS HAVE BEEN DOING THES SAME ACTIONS FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS...!!!
FURTHER, JIMMY CARTER HAD A NOVEL IDEA WITH THE AG'S TENURE : " SELECT ONE FOR THE SET TIME FRAME, SO AS NOT TO INTEREFERE WITH THE AG'S PROSECUTION OF ANY CASE POLITICAL OR OTHERWISE..." GUESS WHO BALKED TO THIS...??? AG GRIFFIN, CARTER'S SELECTED AG, BUT WHO ELSE...!!!
MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE AG SHOULD BE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, NOT BY THE PRESIDENT,THEN WE WOULD HAVE A TRULY CHECK AND BALANCE - EXECUTIVE, LEGISLATIVE, AND JUDICIAL...!!!
REMEMBER :
"Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few. George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"
"We have a criminal jury system which is superior to any in the world; and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men every day who don't know anything and can't read. "Mark Twain
AND, SINCE THE BUFFOON IN THE WHITE HOUSE DOES NOT READ, WE HAVE A PERFECT DUMB SYSTEM...
S. JIM RODRIGUEZ+ECLECTICIST SPIRIT SEEKER+
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 4, 2007 7:32 AM
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In their role as Shrub's Austin protectors, the White House Gang of Five most certainly helped create the falsified presidential biography I found on a State Department website in 2004 and reported to the Boston Globe. Impressed, it ran the story the next morning, on 02/28/04, under the headline, “Bush Bio on Web Inflates Guard Service,” and gave me credit as the source.
Brazenly, Shrub's phony military history claimed he flew ANG F102s almost SIX years when the actual time was 27 months. The text contained other misrepresentations as well -- all intentional, not typos or mistaken dictation.
When asked by the Globe for an explanation, then White House communications director Dan Bartlett said the fabricated State Department bio "did not reflect his (Bush's) Guard record. It will be corrected."
Does that sound familiar? It should, for that's exactly what George W. said about U.S. attorneys' firing scandal -- "It will be corrected."
Back to his phony flying history, you might be wondering, " Why the subterfuge?"
Easy answer. The bogus document was created in 2000 to make Dub-ya competitive with his primary GOP opponent, Arizona Senator John McCain, who -- not coincidentally -- spent five and a half years as a POW in North Vietnam during the same time period.
In sum, the federal employment of intimate Bush confidants like Gonzales, Rove, Miers, Bartlett and Hughes explains why George W’s administration is characterized by cronyism and incompetence. To keep his dishonorable Guard record and other transgressions secret, Gonzales & Company selected White House staff members and department heads based on loyalty, not ability.
For details about “The Bogus Bush Bio Caper,” including the complete Globe article, visit my investigative website, King-George.biz.
One more thing. Because the Globe article came out on a Saturday, not one newspaper or media outlet in the U.S. carried the story. For that reason, a lazy sleepwalking press, I always end my AlterNet comments with a reference to King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption. A simple matter of being patriotic.
Hugh E. Scott
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» Thanks for the support, Democritus. I've been beating my drum 3 years -- silently, it feels like.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 4, 2007 7:50 AM
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but what is interesting is that they actually didn't do anything illegal as far as the actual firings. Bush DOES have the right to fire them... and while it is sneaky and reprehensibly unamerican and anti-democratic, appointing them without congressional approval was also legal at the time.
But Bush and company as usually simply couldn't stand to just tell the truth.. or even be bothered to come up with a good lie. It almost seems they wanted everyone to know they were lying... like they wanted to actually rub their opposition's collective noses in it as if they could do nothing. Obviously that isn't the case.
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Posted by: xbj on Apr 4, 2007 9:33 AM
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Not if BushCheneyCo can get America to suicide itself against the rest of the planets' nukes FIRST.
And that's the plan.
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Posted by: ng1944 on Apr 4, 2007 9:40 AM
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You talk to his owner, Bush
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The fact is that Bush is only the most visible tip of an iceberg that includes the entire military-industrial-governmental complex...If Bush goes down for the reasons cited, so does the entire Congress, Judiciary, and corporate system. Such a fall is about as unlikely as the second coming.
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"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."
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Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Apr 5, 2007 8:55 AM
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I didn't know what it was called, but that's what they do... Constantly...
Oy... So, how does one counter such childishness without resorting to Pee Wee Herman tactics such as, "I know you are, but what am I???"
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Posted by: rrk70 on Apr 5, 2007 10:31 AM
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After six years of this criminal thugocracy called an "administration," I too have thought at least once a week that some revealed scandal or outrageous offense against the Constitution would begin the unraveling of Bushco. But I no longer think so. For one thing it's too late in the game. For another Cheney is Bush's best defense against impeachment. Beyond that Chief Justice Roberts would be the trial judge. And ultimately 2/3, 67, of the Senate would have to vote Bush guilty. Now how likely is that? Who are the 17 Republican senators (I don't count Lieberman as a Democrat) who will vote against Bush in an impeachment trial? Tell me. I'm interested in the scenario that might actually impeach Bush successfully.
As for resignation, dream on. A Bush resignation gives us Cheney. And you can't impeach Cheney as President for what he did as Vice President. Having Cheney in office as president even one day threatens the well-being of the entire planet.
I say, get used to the idea that the criminals are running the clock as they plan their getaway, and they will run it until noon on Jan. 20, 2009. Hopefully not longer.
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Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Apr 4, 2007 1:41 AM
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Let the much needed Justice begin at the heart of evil in bringing to an end the black tyrany of these monsters...
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» Oh yes there is
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» RE: Rovian tactic
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» **nodding in agreement**
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» Jeez you're an idiot
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» None!
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» RE: THERE IS NO SCANDAL PERIOD
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» Stop aping Bush and his ridiculous sayings. They ALL serve at the pleasure of us, the bosses
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» "Monkey King"...
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Posted by: profmarcus on Apr 4, 2007 4:35 AM
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And, yes, I DO take it personally
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The first ADVICE that a WAR PRESIDENT is above the law, came from Svengala ConDoll, the then NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER.
And, it was she who made the case for torture when "Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld decided they wanted to torture people," and she has repeatedly defended the tactic.
I am much puzzled as to why almost everybody leaves her out of the criminal count.
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Posted by: cognitorex on Apr 4, 2007 6:34 AM
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"Thugs with Crosses"
Thugs in suits,
wearing crosses,
speaking Jesus,
doing trash.
Blood of Inquisitors,
long cold, warms
Thugs in suits,
wearing crosses,
speaking Jesus,
doing trash.
(caj 04')
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Posted by: SJR505 on Apr 4, 2007 6:59 AM
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THE RE-PUG-NICANS HAVE BEEN DOING THES SAME ACTIONS FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS...!!!
FURTHER, JIMMY CARTER HAD A NOVEL IDEA WITH THE AG'S TENURE : " SELECT ONE FOR THE SET TIME FRAME, SO AS NOT TO INTEREFERE WITH THE AG'S PROSECUTION OF ANY CASE POLITICAL OR OTHERWISE..." GUESS WHO BALKED TO THIS...??? AG GRIFFIN, CARTER'S SELECTED AG, BUT WHO ELSE...!!!
MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE AG SHOULD BE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, NOT BY THE PRESIDENT,THEN WE WOULD HAVE A TRULY CHECK AND BALANCE - EXECUTIVE, LEGISLATIVE, AND JUDICIAL...!!!
REMEMBER :
"Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few. George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"
"We have a criminal jury system which is superior to any in the world; and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men every day who don't know anything and can't read. "Mark Twain
AND, SINCE THE BUFFOON IN THE WHITE HOUSE DOES NOT READ, WE HAVE A PERFECT DUMB SYSTEM...
S. JIM RODRIGUEZ+ECLECTICIST SPIRIT SEEKER+
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 4, 2007 7:32 AM
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In their role as Shrub's Austin protectors, the White House Gang of Five most certainly helped create the falsified presidential biography I found on a State Department website in 2004 and reported to the Boston Globe. Impressed, it ran the story the next morning, on 02/28/04, under the headline, “Bush Bio on Web Inflates Guard Service,” and gave me credit as the source.
Brazenly, Shrub's phony military history claimed he flew ANG F102s almost SIX years when the actual time was 27 months. The text contained other misrepresentations as well -- all intentional, not typos or mistaken dictation.
When asked by the Globe for an explanation, then White House communications director Dan Bartlett said the fabricated State Department bio "did not reflect his (Bush's) Guard record. It will be corrected."
Does that sound familiar? It should, for that's exactly what George W. said about U.S. attorneys' firing scandal -- "It will be corrected."
Back to his phony flying history, you might be wondering, " Why the subterfuge?"
Easy answer. The bogus document was created in 2000 to make Dub-ya competitive with his primary GOP opponent, Arizona Senator John McCain, who -- not coincidentally -- spent five and a half years as a POW in North Vietnam during the same time period.
In sum, the federal employment of intimate Bush confidants like Gonzales, Rove, Miers, Bartlett and Hughes explains why George W’s administration is characterized by cronyism and incompetence. To keep his dishonorable Guard record and other transgressions secret, Gonzales & Company selected White House staff members and department heads based on loyalty, not ability.
For details about “The Bogus Bush Bio Caper,” including the complete Globe article, visit my investigative website, King-George.biz.
One more thing. Because the Globe article came out on a Saturday, not one newspaper or media outlet in the U.S. carried the story. For that reason, a lazy sleepwalking press, I always end my AlterNet comments with a reference to King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption. A simple matter of being patriotic.
Hugh E. Scott
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» Thanks for the support, Democritus. I've been beating my drum 3 years -- silently, it feels like.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 4, 2007 7:50 AM
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but what is interesting is that they actually didn't do anything illegal as far as the actual firings. Bush DOES have the right to fire them... and while it is sneaky and reprehensibly unamerican and anti-democratic, appointing them without congressional approval was also legal at the time.
But Bush and company as usually simply couldn't stand to just tell the truth.. or even be bothered to come up with a good lie. It almost seems they wanted everyone to know they were lying... like they wanted to actually rub their opposition's collective noses in it as if they could do nothing. Obviously that isn't the case.
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» RE: well - obstruction of justice is a crime
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Posted by: xbj on Apr 4, 2007 9:33 AM
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Not if BushCheneyCo can get America to suicide itself against the rest of the planets' nukes FIRST.
And that's the plan.
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Posted by: ng1944 on Apr 4, 2007 9:40 AM
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You talk to his owner, Bush
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Posted by: dayahka on Apr 4, 2007 1:46 PM
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The fact is that Bush is only the most visible tip of an iceberg that includes the entire military-industrial-governmental complex...If Bush goes down for the reasons cited, so does the entire Congress, Judiciary, and corporate system. Such a fall is about as unlikely as the second coming.
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Posted by: mcartri on Apr 4, 2007 2:00 PM
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 4, 2007 2:59 PM
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Posted by: Gravitas on Apr 4, 2007 3:58 PM
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"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."
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Posted by: nitsed on Apr 4, 2007 5:28 PM
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» RE: Never say never
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Apr 4, 2007 9:10 PM
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» RE: Which ones are the loonies in that series of comments?
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Posted by: Rolomax on Apr 4, 2007 10:36 PM
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Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Apr 5, 2007 8:55 AM
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I didn't know what it was called, but that's what they do... Constantly...
Oy... So, how does one counter such childishness without resorting to Pee Wee Herman tactics such as, "I know you are, but what am I???"
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Posted by: rrk70 on Apr 5, 2007 10:31 AM
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After six years of this criminal thugocracy called an "administration," I too have thought at least once a week that some revealed scandal or outrageous offense against the Constitution would begin the unraveling of Bushco. But I no longer think so. For one thing it's too late in the game. For another Cheney is Bush's best defense against impeachment. Beyond that Chief Justice Roberts would be the trial judge. And ultimately 2/3, 67, of the Senate would have to vote Bush guilty. Now how likely is that? Who are the 17 Republican senators (I don't count Lieberman as a Democrat) who will vote against Bush in an impeachment trial? Tell me. I'm interested in the scenario that might actually impeach Bush successfully.
As for resignation, dream on. A Bush resignation gives us Cheney. And you can't impeach Cheney as President for what he did as Vice President. Having Cheney in office as president even one day threatens the well-being of the entire planet.
I say, get used to the idea that the criminals are running the clock as they plan their getaway, and they will run it until noon on Jan. 20, 2009. Hopefully not longer.
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» RE: Fantasyland - yup that's only one argument against the impeachment fantasy
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