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Are Asians Increasingly Undergoing Plastic Surgery to Look White?

By Andrew Lam, New America Media. Posted March 31, 2007.


Plastic surgery is on the rise in ethnic communities across the United States, and in Asia it is as routine as having one's wisdom teeth pulled. Are these alterations an attempt to look more "white?"

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Three decades ago, fresh from the refugee camp of Vietnam, I was first made acutely aware of my own Asian looks by a schoolyard bully in my junior high. He pulled the sides of his eyes back to make them look slanted and sang the ditty now made famous by Rosie O'Donnell recently on The View -- "Ching Chong, Ching Chong Chinaman." Well, good old I'm-funny-not-a-racist Rosie didn't say "Chinaman," but you get the point.

I never thought of how I looked living in homogenous Saigon, but in America, as an outsider barely speaking English, I was fodder for teasing and racist epithets. In the bathroom one night, I used a toothpick to push up my epicanthic folds. They held for a few seconds, giving me the appearance of rounder eyes, and a glimpse of what I might look like with double eyelids. I had contemplated cosmetic surgery, and for a few months, even saved money for the purpose.

I never went through with the surgery, but my experience is hardly unique. The pressure to alter one's features and body is endemic in every group and ethnic community in America, and in Asia it is as routine as having one's wisdom teeth pulled. But the number of minorities getting plastic surgery is apparently on a steep rise.

According to a survey by the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS), the number of minorities getting plastic surgery quadrupled between 1997 and 2002. And in 2005 Asian-Americans had 437,000 cosmetic surgeries, up 58 percent from 2004.

One only needs to open a Vietnamese magazine or newspaper in San Jose or Orange County to see the onslaught of ads for cosmetic surgery: eyebrow tattoos, dimple and split chin fabrications, laser treatments for skin blemishes, facelifts, breast augmentations -- you can have it all and with an easy-to-pay credit plan. But the most popular are nose and eye surgeries. In the online business directory of the Southern California-based Nguoi Viet Daily News, where the largest Vietnamese population in the United States resides, there are more than 50 local listings for cosmetic surgery.

Looking at these ads, I must admit that I find both the "before" and "after" pictures slightly disturbing. In the "before," which is often out of focus, the woman is displayed in a downtrodden, bereft look -- a mess of misery to go with her messy hair. But in the "after" picture, she is all smiles, well-dressed and coiffed.

She poses in a kind of exaggerated cheerfulness -- cheerful, I suppose, because her features have been altered. Apparently along with the surgery, the image suggests, her outlooks on life has dramatically changed as well.

I wish happiness were so easily obtained. While I am not against it, and have friends and loved ones who have had plastic surgery, I can't help but find that there's an inherent complex attached to altering one's facial features -- especially for an Asian-American. After all, I have never heard of someone who goes under the knife to have a double-eyelid reversal surgery or his classic roman nose flattened.

For a long time plastic surgeons worked with the Anglo-Saxon ideal of beauty, and medical schools a few decades ago did not acknowledge racial distinctions when it came to plastic surgery. A classic Roman nose was standard, and so was a double eyelid. Going under the knife in the name of beauty was, for a long time, a move toward having a Caucasian face.

Indeed, Asia's relationship with the West has been traditionally schizophrenic and contradictory when it comes to self-image. Vietnamese children of mixed parentage born of American GIs during the war, for instance, were a permanent under class, and their conditions worsened after the war ended. Perceived as children of the enemy, they were often derided, chastised and beaten. But these days those mixed children's features are coveted by many wealthy people in Saigon and Hanoi. They want their noses, eyes, lips, and would save a fortune to go under the knife to look like them.


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Andrew Lam is an editor for New America Media and the author of "Perfume Dreams: Reflections on the Vietnamese Diaspora."

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White?
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 31, 2007 3:51 AM   
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I'm thinking of doing the opposite: getting plastic surgery to look more "Asian".

Even if it doesn't make me smarter, or a better violin player, there's a good chance I'll get adopted by Brad and Angelina.

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» RE: White? Posted by: Mojoe
As an American currently living in Taiwan, I have observed first-hand
Posted by: jwc on Mar 31, 2007 4:10 AM   
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this practice. Instead of tanning creams, women buy skin-lightening creams. Some children here are raised to view dark-skinned people as ugly. From my understanding, it has something to do with the idea that if you are dark-skinned, it implies that you or your family are poor and have to spend all day working in the fields under the hot sun.

Billboards in Taichung (the city I live in) are covered with white, western models. When the model is of Asian decent, his or her skin is usually much whiter than most caucasions in the states. The women on the billboards- Western and Asian- have very curvacious bodies, the classic "hour-glass" figure of a western, caucasion model. The Chinese women I see here very often do NOT have that type of body. I know this is only anecdotal evidence, but I have no doubt that anyone else who has lived in Taiwan would disagree with me.

I'm teaching English to kindergarteners at a private school here. When I read a book with a dark-complected character, I have come to expect giggles and comments such as "teacher, so yucky" (in reference to the character's skin color). I do my best to inform students why it isn't right to think that way, but I fear it is a losing battle.

One more note. I refer to the people here as "Chinese" not "Taiwanese" simply because most of them are not native to Taiwan, but from mainland China somewhere down their ancestral line. The true Taiwanese here, from my understanding, suffer many of the same inequalities and injustices that Indians (Native Americans) do in the states. Coincidenally- or perhaps not- they are much darker complected than those here of Chinese decent.

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» Um Posted by: Aussie Kim
» That'll learn me... Posted by: Aussie Kim
IS ThE FAkeLEFt tRYINng to FOCUS polITICS oN RACE iNstEAd of $$ & qualITY of LIFE???
Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Mar 31, 2007 5:11 AM   
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OBVIOUSLY, YES, FAKELEFT PROPAGANDA outfits like alternet have helped to shift the focus of political debate from money and quality of life (hours worked, vacation, social safety net etc) to race and gender.

the rich people fund fakeLeft nonprofit organizations like alternet so they can pump out fakeleft propaganda like this article.

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» beating a dead horse..... Posted by: psychochurch
» RE: Sophomoric "FAKE LEFT" Theory Posted by: felixblackcat
Don't forget Russia, India, and the Muslim nations too.
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 31, 2007 6:01 AM   
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Folks there used to have darker complexions before more of the lighter ones showed up. And the makeup markets are booming in those countries no doubt.

P.S.: I admit that I used to be terribly attracted to women who were lighter in color but I later found the brown ones just as attractive and less pale too. Too all those Asians out there, PLEASE DO NOT PUT YOURSELVES UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO COLOR CHANGE YOUR SKIN. Like Mister Rogers would say, "We love you just the way you are."

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Who cares?
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 31, 2007 6:38 AM   
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Iraq, poverty, Walter Reed...and AlterNet posts this drivel from the New America Media -- "a nationwide association of over 700 ethnic media organizations representing the development of a more inclusive journalism."

How about changing "inclusive" to inane"?

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» RE: Who cares? Posted by: dandycat
White women are also bombarded with ads/images for cosmetic surgery
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Mar 31, 2007 6:53 AM   
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White women are also bombarded with ads/images for cosmetic surgery: eyebrow tattoos, dimple and split chin fabrications, laser treatments for skin blemishes, facelifts, breast augmentations, laser hair removal, nose jobs, liposuction, etc..etc..

ALL WOMEN are targeted for body augmentation by a society that wants us obsessed with our imperfections, in competition (instead of united) with other females, and fully disempowered.

STOP READING MAGAZINES and WATCHING TV.

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It's Crazy
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 31, 2007 7:09 AM   
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Maybe it's because, despite being a white male, my preference has always been for women of color: Asian, African -American, Mediterranean, Hispanic, etc. Been that way since sandbox and at 45, I doubt I'll change.

Be proud of your looks and your heritage. If instead of 31 flavors all Baskin-Robbins had was Vanilla, the world would be a truly dull place.

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» Tell me Why Posted by: NoPCZone
As Borat would say.......WHAT!!??
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Mar 31, 2007 7:30 AM   
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As a white guy married to an Asian and fairly involved in the Asian community I have to say I was a bit taken aback by this article. I think that the only thing I'm aware of that some Asians do on a fairly regular basis is change their hair color. They seem to have a fascination with having lighter colored hair but I am unaware of a single instance where a member of this group went the plastic surgery route to change their appearence to look more "white". I would be greatly disturbed to think that this is a common practice since I find Asian women to be some of the most beautiful in the world. I like the differences whether its shorter stature, slimmer shape or dark and slanty eyes. What I really find appealing are the children of Eurasian couples. Usually a terriffic combination even when the mixed couple are of the homely variety. To all asians out there.....this is one guy who likes you just the way you are.

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» Jobs Posted by: suprmark
» RE: Jobs Posted by: mobile68
» RE: Asian female stereotype Posted by: NoPCZone
» RE: Asian female stereotype Posted by: 22twotwo
» Maybe it is generational Posted by: Bobsays
» RE: Asian female stereotype Posted by: psychochurch
» RE: Asian female stereotype Posted by: VisionQuest
women can do what they want
Posted by: kathat on Mar 31, 2007 7:59 AM   
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and most women(girls) want want they see in the media.
I don't see it as they are ashamed of their race so much as they want to have the 'look'. Guess what it's fun to dye your hair, cut your hair, wear makeup and get your eyes changed. You can wear your eyemakeup way different styles if you have 'creases'...if you don't have them you are stuck with one way of putting on your makeup. Women (and men) should be able to do anything they want with their looks.

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Foot Binding, Discriminate between darker shades, mongol features,
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Mar 31, 2007 8:00 AM   
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etc. Orientals are not a monothilic racial type, contrary to what most 'white devils' think. There is much difference between a pure Mongol and a Vietnamese, for example. There also, as like in any culture, long history (longer than in Western cultures) of changing one's appearance and discrimination against the "others". I know, as one small example, that many Chinese don't like being in the sun (or getting too dark) since its a sign that you are low class manual labourer. Also, besides intra-oriental racism many have much racism towards blacks (especially) and white ('white devils', 'white ghosts', too hairy, smelly, too 'honest', stupid, etc.) One need not mention the hatreds between Japanese and Chinese also.

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There is nothing wrong with being white
Posted by: Bobsays on Mar 31, 2007 9:04 AM   
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If people want to turn white, whatever. I think plastic surgery is a sad way to deal with things. Whatever happened to eating right, exercising, decorum and deportment to look good?

European culture has much to be admired and though it gets slammed constantly by the left, I am glad so people secretly aspire to it.

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» OUCH! Posted by: Bobsays
what I want to know is
Posted by: Theriomorph on Mar 31, 2007 10:29 AM   
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whatever happened to basic social justice education for the so-called liberal activist and thinker?

If it's about beauty standards and media representation of women creating caste systems and self-mutilation, it's 'fluff'? I suppose female genital mutilation is fluff, too? And 'Hey man, I DIG Asian chicks' is hardly a) helpful, b) relevant to the article's points, or c) a newsflash, given that there is a huge and well-known/studied/discussed sexual fetishization of Asian women by white men.

You know, I love Alternet for being a clearinghouse of news-gathering and good editorial. But sometimes the sexist comments here blow me away. Idiotic trolls are one thing, but dismissal of a thoughtful article like this one examining the health effects of bigotry - particularly on the basis of being 'not important' because it primarily effects women - speaks to a self-centered entitlement that's nauseating.

If you consider yourself someone who cares about social justice, you might consider the fact that issues of equality and health affecting over half the world's population are relevant for all of us.

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» RE: what I want to know is Posted by: Lizard
» I so agree Posted by: HeroesAll
» well said, Theriomorph Posted by: off-the-radar 2
I call shenanigans
Posted by: Mojoe on Mar 31, 2007 10:51 AM   
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This isn't about becoming white, it's about seeking stereotypical "American beauty." White girls do it too. They tan like crazy. They'll do all sorts of things to look partly Latino. In American pop-culture, you're not really hot until you're Lopez, Aguilera, Shakira, Menendez, Longoria, etc. A Caucasian girl with a little ethnic twist is what Americans want. It's not about looking white. It's about looking like an American celebrity.

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» Blowback Posted by: theracerace
» RE: I call shenanigans Posted by: VisionQuest
"white" vs. "asian" looks?
Posted by: 22twotwo on Mar 31, 2007 10:56 AM   
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Why are double-eyelids and long noses "white" features?
I'm a Chinese woman, my parents both naturally have double-eyelids from the fat dissolving away as they aged (I don't have double-eyelids), and my nose is typical northern Chinese-- narrower with a more distinct bridge.

I think the author is stuck in a box himself thinking that there is even a fixed "Asian" look that Asians want to get away from.
For the case of double-eyelids, if you asked exactly what Asians want, it is not the total elimination of the epicantic fold but only an opening of the eye at the middle and outer corners, and not the inner corners. What they want are the double-eyelids of Asians, not the double-eyelids of Whites.

For noses, the classic Roman nose is under the knife all the time. The bridge and tip are often the victim.

Like others have said, lightening skin has nothing to do with looking like whites but rather not looking like poor labourers. Pale is not necessarily White.

Hair colour... really the only direction we can go is lighter. We already have very dark hair, and if we want other colours to stay in the hair, we have to lighten.

This article conflates and oversimplifies both racial identity issues of Asians and cosmetic surgery and I'm sure there are overlaps, but it has way more to do with interAsian political-social strata and historical and cultural ideals of beauty that have their roots long before anyone started selling White people as the pinnacle of beauty.

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» RE: "white" vs. "asian" looks? Posted by: 22twotwo
» RE: "white" vs. "asian" looks? Posted by: Mr. Terrific
Many flavors of women out there...
Posted by: ateo on Mar 31, 2007 11:00 AM   
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not all men like the same one.

Personally I do like the light skin, light hair, light eyes look but like most guys I don't have a check list in my head of features a woman must possess to date (read: attempt to have sex with). On the other hand, most women do have such check lists in their head yet guys do little to nothing in an attempt to conform to them.

I think here we see the whole concept of beauty being pushed upon women by women. The secret most women never seem to learn is that men like ALL women and beauty is recognizable across all races/ethnicities. Of course some people are just plain ugly but making an ugly white woman look like an ugly oriental woman isn't going to do her much good.

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» Damn..lighten up lizard... Posted by: psychochurch
Leave it to Alterneters . . . .
Posted by: MAD on Mar 31, 2007 1:35 PM   
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America fires the opening salvo in the forthcoming trade war with China and Alterneters respond to this National Enquirer-esque article with salacious details of their Asian fetishes? Good lord this site, no check that, country has deteriorated beyond the point of recovery. Will the last American to abandon reality please turn off the lights on the way out . . .

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Naruto
Posted by: cbcb on Mar 31, 2007 2:15 PM   
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I don't watch the other two shows listed above, but I do watch the Japanese version of Naruto (yes, I know I'm a nerd). While the main character, Naruto, is a blond with blue eyes, the character who the others consider attractive is Sasuke who looks very Asian with black hair and very Asian features. Also, many of the characters with red or yellow hair still have Asian features. Some characters have strange hair colors, like green, which is also common in anime. I wonder where this author gets this idea that these animes promote people wanting to look white.

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» RE: Naruto Posted by: Mr. Terrific
Anyone seen a Miss Universe pagent?
Posted by: ISlamIslam on Mar 31, 2007 3:54 PM   
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If so, you might agree with me that beauty can come in many forms, but it's recognizable to people throughout the world as beauty due to certain universally recognized characteristics (e.g., relative spacing between features, symmetry, hairline, proportions of limbs and torso to one another, etc). I've seen beautiful women who were Asian and 4'9" with typical Asian features and beautiful blonde, Anglo women who were 5'10". Would anyone not have classified a young Diana Ross as beautiful? Describing a woman as "hot" is simply a personal preference as to what turns you on. For example, Sarah Jessica Parker or Paris Hilton might be described as "hot" because of having slim, well-proportioned bodies, but a good many people would describe their facial features as borderline homely.

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Those of you who think "it's just a choice"...
Posted by: Peregrine on Mar 31, 2007 5:25 PM   
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Are you white? I bet you are.

You would think that in a place like, say, China, where there are a billion-plus people and plenty of advertising containing "Asian" faces, they would be better able to resist this belief that looking more white (LET'S BE REAL, that's what this is about) is better. The fact that this is not the case and that plastic surgery is on the rise to "correct" what isn't broken is testament to the way in which Western, specifically American, media manages to infiltrate and poison a culture.

If you're white, most likely you are used to being surrounded by images of people that look like you. Sure, they may not look EXACTLY like you, but they look enough like you such that you're able to pretty much stay blind to how such images affect people of color, particularly children. Hence such comments as "What's the big deal? It's just a choice."

People of color, as well as whites who are honest with themselves and aware of how white privilege blinds them to reality, know that we live in a world that was DESIGNED to elevate white people over everyone else. For all the whining some white women may do about their size, breasts, whatever, the fact remains that they are still WHITE and they still enjoy the privilege that's associated with being such. Asian women who get their eyes "fixed" are doing so to access some of the privilege that most white women enjoy by default. And that's a PROBLEM, people.

Everywhere in the world light skin is elevated over dark. When Rwanda was a colony, the Belgians elevated the Tutsis over the Hutu because the Tutsis were lighter-skinned and thus presumed to be more intelligent. We all know how that ended up.

In America it's rumored that scientists are working on a drug that will change the shape of the hair follicle so that kinky Afro-textured hair (the most common type of hair amongst people of African descent) will grow out in a looser pattern (curly/wavy/straight). This will allow black women to let go of 50+ years of lye-based chemical relaxers (the harshest substance allowed for personal use by the FDA...interesting that it's mostly black women who use it) and pick up something that could have even worse side effects all in the name of so-called "beauty."

The older I get, the more important it's become for me to be my REAL self because SOMEBODY needs to let these children coming up know that it's OKAY to be yourself. So I do not straighten my Afro hair, I will not color my gray, I will not bleach my skin (do a Google search on "skin whitening"...scary shit) and I will not change a single feature I was born with just to fit into somebody's else bullshit beauty standard.

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» Exactly Posted by: HeroesAll
Best change?
Posted by: Maldoror on Mar 31, 2007 5:49 PM   
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I am reminded of a cartoon from Punch magazine. Two men are standing in a bar. One is normal, the other has a multi-colored horse's body and a horn sticking out of his head. The half-unicorn man says, "It started with a simple rhinoplasty, but then I thought, what the hell!"

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Diversity is Beautiful
Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 31, 2007 9:49 PM   
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I find this very sad. I often find myself looking at Asian people discretely because I find their features so very attractive. It is as ridiculous to say that beautiful almond shaped eyes are less desirable than round shaped eyes as it is to say that green is a "better" color than blue or vice versa. Really, when you think about it, differences are what makes us attractive to each other. Can you imagine if everyone really looked like the "perfect" Nordic size 8? We would be so sick of it, we couldn't stomach it anymore. It is only because we have such a wonderful variety that anyones particular look
can remain interesting. I am also sorry about Rosie's hurtful comment. Perhaps she didn't mean it, but she should have known better!

"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."

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A really shallow question
Posted by: HeroesAll on Mar 31, 2007 9:52 PM   
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Okay, here's my shallow side: that eye on the bottom right, is that Asano Tadanobu? Asano's one of my favourite actors (and a total hottie), so I'm just wondering if someone grabbed a pic of the Ichi-man and sliced it up. He's got very distinctive looks, that's all.

Just wondering.

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People are Mean. Period.
Posted by: jaby on Mar 31, 2007 10:23 PM   
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Yes, that's right. We are mean, selfish, nasty and brutish. As a child, I was, depending on my growth spurts, anywhere from 5-20 pounds overweight. Not diabetic and I could run and play and still bought all my clothes in the appropriate department, but bigger than the other kids. I was teased and harrassed mercilessly for it. Several kids in my class had light blonde hair that would turn green during swim class. They were teased and harrassed mercilessly for it. The short kid was teased, the tall kid was teased, the dark ones were teased, the fair were teased, the boys were teased for being boys and the girls were teased for being girls. Teased for clothes, teased for hair, teased for shoes. And likewise, every group would harrass the other. The boy who was singled-out for being dark would turn around and mock some other kid's clothing.

The adult world, I have learned, isn't a whole lot different. If we all get plastic surgery to look alike, we are just going to find another difference to exploit and to mock. It isn't really racism or sexism or whatever that is the problem, it's just that we humans are a bunch of jerks. I think that admitting that to oneself is very important-like the first step in a 12-step program. Maybe we can start our own AA for all of humanity, A$$holes Anonymous. Really, if you look at any social, political, economic, or environmental concern, if you boil it down, it's just because we are, for the most part, tools. That is the essential issue that needs to be addressed. How? I guess that is for people smarter than I to decide.

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Sad that a woman have to spend money to make money
Posted by: mobile68 on Mar 31, 2007 10:34 PM   
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Yeah, just like here in the u.s. where african american women have been suckered into getting 'weaves' like the white women who get hair 'extensions' (someone please explain to me the damn difference!) and have become ashamed of their full lips, hips, skin color, and behinds instead of embracing their natual features that so many white women are trying to achieve thru botox and tanning.

latinas, arab, and eastern indian women are bleaching their hair or/and skin with cancer-causing chemicals, becoming bone thin, showing more skin, and who knows what else to get work on t.v., movies, political office, better paying jobs, etc. And now you have this with the oriental women. So
so sad.

I guess this standard of beauty, x-tianity, and weapons of mass destruction is all the u.s.a. and western european countries have left to export around the world, who have been allowed to set the standard of such madness.

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The Problem With Disillusion.
Posted by: Mr. Terrific on Apr 1, 2007 3:02 AM   
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That is One Way to Look at It. The other way is that you and your family have been so disiullsioned with your natural skin color, that you do everything in the world to avoid that "dark" look due to the history of European intervention into your culture. That invervention came in the form of domination through subjugation, war {dropping an Atom bomb did the trick on Japan}, the American mass media, the classic religious institiutions with their picture of the blond haired blue eyed "Jesus" hanging on the walls etc., etc.

That will get you some "just because we avoid looking like poor farmers doesn't mean we are trying to be white." Or, "just because we look pale doesn't mean we are trying to look white."

Hahahahahha. Sadly, you are simply following in the footsteps of the disillusioned, oppressed, subjugated and self denial. You have symbolically taken on the image of your MASTERS.

You then do everything in the world to defend your actions and positons!

Hahahahahha. Hahahahahha. It is so pathetic and sad but funny as hell!

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What's wrong with looking too white?
Posted by: Reader11722 on Apr 1, 2007 6:04 AM   
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By the title, "Are Asians trying to look white?', there's an implication that there is something wrong with 'looking white.' Very racist premise. However, if Asians want to look white, let them. It never caused a stir when white kids imitate Rap artists and look 'too black'. It's called Free Expression (Free Speech). After all, censorship is becoming America's favorite past-time. The US gov't (and their corporate friends), already detain protesters, ban books like "America Deceived" America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, and fire 21-year tenured, BYU physics professor Steven Jones because he proved explosives, thermite in particular, took down the WTC buildings. Free Speech (even for Asians).

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relevant article
Posted by: juanpecan81 on Apr 1, 2007 8:37 AM   
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hi,

i havent had a chance to read every comment and this likely has already been addressed, but its disturbing to see the defensiveness of presumably white posters to call this article irrelevant and distracting. the issue of white domination plays itself out in many ways and lest we not forget "the personal is the political." dont underestimate the depth of self-hate and the crippling effect it has on social/political participation. how many black and latina women have straight hair because they think what they were born with is ugly? talk to them and be shocked and embarassed at the lack of awareness on social issues versus beauty products and celeb gossip/hating.

"oh shes pretty even though shes dark." why does every ethnic grouphave the "whiter is better" hangup? do you think this has nothing to do with the confusion so many of us walk in that leaves us vulnerableto the deceptions of white politicians and white-owned "business men" (exploiters or the more fashionable "pimp").

even thouhg you may be a white lefty, if you stop your analysis at race because it raises uncomfortable issues about the culture (living/thinking patterns) that has been forced upon this world through Guns, Germs and Steel (and justified by a white "God"), then you are just a liberal - all talk and no substance and not to be counted on to be much of an ally in changing an unjust, corrupt and racist social order. race shouldnt matter, but it does, and pretending it doesnt does nothing to change that reality.

as a white person, no, this is not your issue. but dont do the typical white liberal thing and explain and rationalize away anything that challenges your way of seing things and pushes the analysis into more radical, and possibly scary, places. the foundations are crooked and need to be dug up.

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» RE: relevant article Posted by: Theriomorph
who the hell want to look white
Posted by: eosrk on Apr 1, 2007 5:14 PM   
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even caucasians don't want to look white!!!

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beauty
Posted by: bambino on Apr 1, 2007 5:33 PM   
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is the surgery about female beauty only? if so, then how does this square with the men in this population group. i can see getting a nicer nose and such in the us but in an asian population, what is the point. you will not look like the other people. i have read of other even more invasive surgeries with korean women who want calf muscle reduction. and what about the butt augmentation among the white women trying to emulate lopez and other ethnic groups. there is so much nonsense here that it just boggles the mind. these are questions that are deeply political in spite of the criticism . how are the medical resources used in a community and by whom? can we all afford to beverly hillize our culture. these are not silly questions at all.

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» RE: beauty Posted by: Aussie Kim
michael jackson ....
Posted by: Tahlavi on Apr 1, 2007 7:55 PM   
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always was a trendsetter.....

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Not being white...
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 2, 2007 1:25 AM   
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...is not a disability and should not be treated as such. ie: it doesn't need to be "cured".

Not being a white person describes the majority of the world's population, so it is actually us whities who should be treated as the unusual, genetically recessive creatures that we are.

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Race over Time
Posted by: Jerichomorning on Apr 2, 2007 9:27 AM   
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There have been people trying to look white for a long time now. I don't think any of us can afford to take the moral high ground on this one. These issues around race are not dead, but surely they are beginning to move towards death's door. My mother used a face powder with bleach in it to make her skin more white. Happily, I grew up in the 70s, when there was less of a premium on white skin and I was allowed to grow up without having to bleach my face. In fact, when we first moved to Hawaii, I was teased pretty badly for my pale complexion, as I hadn't been out in the sun all my life like my classmates. They called me "Whitey".

Like my mother's complexion, its seems to me that issues of race and colour are fading consistently over time. But we need to keep up the good work, put things out there, and talk about them. We are definitely winning this race, but there's a lot to be said for eternal vigilance...!

So here's something else to think about:

A white acquaintance of mine once suggested that, since anime characters were drawn having big deep eyes, this meant that the artists were trying to make them look white. I was quite taken aback by this. Whites aren't the only people capable of having open, deep, beautiful eyes. I was born with a manga book in my hand, and I never once thought of these characters as white. Is it only white people who can have attractive eyes? Is every colourful beauty in the world only a pale imitation of white beauty? I got the funny feeling that maybe my white sister's suggestion had some sinister undertones to it -- that, despite her left-wing papers, she was trapped in this template that sees what is attractive as necessarily white or trying-to-be-white.

However, I've been around long enough now to see that things have changed a lot, even over my lifetime. And I'm convinced we're winning. So let's keep up the good work, keep talking, keep writing, and keep being heard. Eventually, people listen.

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Julie Chen...
Posted by: mstenger on Apr 2, 2007 9:51 AM   
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on CBS This Morning is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen of any race. Unbelievable! Les Moonves is a lucky man.

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» RE: Julie Chen... Posted by: juanpecan81
» RE: Julie Chen... Posted by: VisionQuest
Color prejudice existed long before White/European influence
Posted by: xerxes on Apr 2, 2007 10:01 AM   
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In Asia, lighter skin has always been more valued than darker skin, long before Asian encounters with Europeans. In India, the lighter skinned Caucasian looking Aryans invaded around 2500 B.C. and enslaved the darker Australoid looking natives. European colonialism/racism only exacerbated this prejudice, it didn't cause it. As for Native American and African color consciousness, I think European influence had a lot more to do with that.

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Lighter skin
Posted by: opeluboy on Apr 2, 2007 7:09 PM   
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My wife of 30 years, who is Chinese (she would say Taiwanese) used to go through the dark/light skin thing with her grandmother. Her grandmother wanted my wife to stay fair skinned, but living here in Hawaii we get pretty brown. Grandma didn't like it. Why? Because it made her grand daughter look like a worker. For people of her older generation (she died recently at 93), light skin implied privilege, while dark skin meant you worked the paddies or were a country person.

And if my wife were ever to even consider fixing her eyes to look haole, I'd go nuts. If I wanted a pale white girl, I would have married one.

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People are crazy...Asians are beautiful....
Posted by: fallout1 on Apr 3, 2007 5:42 AM   
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I live in Hong Kong right now...and I find Asian eyes and their dark black hair to be extremely attractive...They are gorgeous..

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