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Americans in the Opinion Polls, Not in the Streets

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted March 27, 2007.


If so many people are fed up with the war, why is everyone so silent? Is this the way it usually feels in the heartlands of great empires until the barbarians actually do come knocking at the gates?

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Excuse me if, at 62, and well into my second era of protest against yet another distant, disastrous, and disabling American war, I express a little confusion. Was it actually like this in Rome while the legions were off fighting on the German frontiers? Was this the way it felt in London while the imperial forces conducted their frontier wars in Afghanistan, or Paris when the Foreign Legion was holding down North Africa? Was this how it felt in Washington when Douglas MacArthur's father was suppressing the Filipinos and General Jacob Smith was turning the island of Samar into a "howling wilderness"? Is this the way it usually feels in the heartlands of great empires until the barbarians actually do come knocking at the gates?

I went marching against the President's Iraqi war of choice in my hometown last Sunday. I found myself in an older crowd, many visibly from the Vietnam era. It was relatively quiet, small-scale, and lacking in energy; all in all -- for me at least -- a modestly dispiriting experience, given the crisis at hand and the disillusioned state of public opinion here in the U.S.

I came home wondering whether some Bush-era version of the old Roman formula had indeed been working. Had bread and circuses become croissants and iPods, or Bud and i>, or Sony PlayStation 3 and 24? I couldn't help puzzling over the gap between public opinion on the President's war and public action, or between the conclusions opinion polls tell us so many Americans have reached and those generally reached in Washington as well as in the mainstream media.

I know I'm not alone in wondering about such things, so here's my provisional exploration of some of what's puzzled me most. I don't claim to have the answers, only perhaps some of the questions. Think of this, then, as a guided tour of a few of the trees on our landscape -- with the hope that you'll be able to spot the forest.

An Imperial Frame of Mind

For four years now, journalists have reported on Iraq; editorial pages have editorialized; and pundits -- that special breed of Ciceros -- have opined; while the retired generals who fought our last frontier wars have trooped onto FOX, MSNBC, and CNN to analyze this one; and experts and political figures of every expectable sort have appeared again and again on the Charlie Rose Show, Meet the Press, and their ilk, without our general fund of wisdom seeming to improve appreciably.

The same people who once thought Bush's war was a great idea, or a good idea, or at least an okay idea, or something we should all support no matter what, are still at it. Now, some of them claim the war was a lousy idea but, following Colin Powell's Pottery Barn rule, are convinced that, since we "broke" Iraq, it's "ours" anyway. Some, like the Washington Post editorial page's editors, still think the invasion was a good idea, just somehow poorly -- the word you always see is "incompetently" -- carried out, making the mess the Iraqis are in still ours.

Of course, many of those who once praised the war have revised their opinions and judgments somewhat (and were usually exorbitantly praised for doing so). Still, just about all of them, not to speak of just about everyone in Washington who hasn't gone numb or mum, seems to agree on one thing. As the Washington Post put it in its fourth-anniversary-of-the-war lead editorial, "It's tempting to say that if it was wrong to go in, it must be wrong to stay in. But how Iraq evolves will fundamentally shape the region and deeply affect U.S. security. Walking away is likely to make a bad situation worse."

Under the many conflicts between George W. Bush and most of his opponents in the Democratic and Republican parties lies an area of agreement seldom challenged in the mainstream political or media world (or, when challenged, given remarkably little attention). On the deepest points, major politicians and the most influential parts of the media are actually in remarkable accord. In fact, you could say that, in the world of our media gatekeepers, there's just another version of the sort of accord that existed before the invasion of Iraq.

That country, it is said, is crucial to "American interests" -- "vital national security interests in Iraq" was the way, for instance, Hillary Clinton put the matter recently. There is also agreement (as there was about such things in the Vietnam era) that if we were to leave Iraq totally or "precipitously," American credibility would take a terrible hit, that the terrorists would be "celebrating." It is similarly agreed that, while all sorts of partial withdrawals from Iraq might sooner or later be possible, actually withdrawing from the country is hard to imagine, even if staying seems hardly less so. This is why, as in the recently passed House legislation, withdrawal of all American forces has been replaced by the withdrawal of all, or most, American "combat troops" (or "combat brigades"), a technical term that actually accounts for less than half of American forces in Iraq.

The two categories are now so conveniently blurred that it would be pardonable if few Americans grasped the difference any more than did Charles Gibson, anchor of ABC's World News Tonight. On last Friday's news, he claimed the House had voted to get "all U.S. forces" out when his own White House correspondent used the correct phrase, "combat forces."

Americans lived through endless similar non-withdrawal (or partial withdrawal) "withdrawal" plans back in the Vietnam years. Now, it seems, we must do so again. At that time, a crucial argument against full-scale withdrawal was the "bloodbath" sure to follow. It was common knowledge in Washington then that any American withdrawal would result in an unimaginable version of the bloodbath already long underway in that country. That it didn't, of course, hasn't stopped the Vietnam playbook from being pulled out again. Now, we have the "Iraqi bloodbath" to contend with.

It's not just that those "vital national security interests" would be endangered by a withdrawal from Iraq. On one predominant "fact," just about everyone who matters in Washington agrees. We cannot leave Iraq because only we protect the Iraqis from themselves; only we have any hope of "stabilizing" the country. Even the Pentagon has finally acknowledged that a brutal civil war is underway in areas of Iraq; nonetheless, if we were to up and depart, it is agreed, a near genocidal-level bloodletting would certainly be in the cards. We are, in other words, the only force standing between the Iraqis and the "gates of hell." Yes, we may have loosed all this on them in the first place; yes, our tactics in the field may only clear the way for greater bloodshed; yet our "presence" remains their sole remaining hope. This is considered a reality of our world, a clear, if understandable, limit on American policy-making, whether Republican or Democratic.

That this common Washingtonian wisdom is but a prediction about a future yet to be made is seldom noted; that it is being offered by people who often, however unconsciously, have a stake in its coming true is not commented upon either; that, for many of them, such a bloodbath might justify much that has gone wrong, conveniently highlighting the "depravity" of the Iraqis we tried to help, isn't a subject for discussion; that most of these seers have had uncommonly poor records when it comes to predicting any developments in Iraq over the last four-plus years is seldom brought up either.

There is also, of course, something grimly self-fulfilling about this particular prophesy. If a single conclusion can be drawn about the U.S. presence in Iraq, it's this: The longer we have been there, the worse it's gotten. We've now reached the point where, with Americans "protecting" Iraqis from themselves, nearly one in five of them have nonetheless either fled their country, been forced into internal exile, or died in the mayhem. If you were projecting into the future, it would be far more logical to assume that, with us present, this situation would only worsen. (Of course, by now, both predictions might prove accurate.)

Even the President's surge plan, a version of the old Vietnam-era "oil spot strategy," is but an attempt to extend the control of the American military and the dependent, largely Shiite Iraqi government from the citadel-microstate of the fortified Green Zone inside the Iraqi capital to most of Baghdad. It is aimed at turning our "Iraq," at best, into a full-scale city-state, while driving much of the internecine killing to the outskirts of the capital or surrounding provinces. How such a plan could possibly "stabilize" the situation there in any long-term way remains beyond serious explanation.

But perhaps this sort of deep agreement on the "realities" of our world should not surprise us. After all, we're talking about a literal "conspiracy" here -- in the original Latin sense of the word: to con-spire once essentially meant to breathe the same air. Indeed, our politicians and top media figures do breathe the same air and, in a way that wasn't true decades ago, cohabit in the same rarified class atmosphere.

Not surprisingly, then, they often agree on the basics, holding in common, above all else, an essentially imperial mindset. In this way, they are genuine representatives of what was -- before a ragtag minority insurgency fought the U.S. military to a stand-still -- hailed as the planet's "last superpower," its only "hyperpower," its "global sheriff," the ultimate inheritor of Western civilization, not to speak of the mantles of the Roman and British empires, and so on. This imperial mindset can, at its most kindly, be expressed in this way: In any situation where American "interests" are at stake, the United States can only be imagined as part of the solution, not part of the problem. In the present Iraqi situation, such thinking also represents an imaginative failure, your essential deck-of-the-Titanic strain of thinking.

So call all this the fog of imperial war and, if you want to see it in action, just turn on your TV and check out David Brooks, or Tom Friedman, or Richard Perle, or George Packer, or various of the New York Times or Washington Post reporters who regularly double as pundits, or retired General Jack Keane, or Senator Joe Biden, or countless others nattering on about our prospects in Iraq. Sometimes it seems as if all the major figures on our television landscape were simply in some hypnotic state, claustrophobically recycling the same stale air.

Oddly enough, as far as I can see, the only disqualification for being a pundit or expert in our TV world, when it comes to the President's Afghan and Iraq wars (or his prospective Iranian one), is having been right in the first place, having imagined from the start something of what actually did occur -- as, for instance, was the case with Nation columnist Jonathan Schell and Boston Globe columnist James Carroll, or, for that matter, any of the millions of protestors who took to the streets in early 2003.

The Protesting Public: Erased from the Story

Among the missing-in-action of these last years are all those Americans who went out into the streets before the invasion of Iraq began, part of the largest global antiwar demonstrations ever mounted. Even a fine piece like Frank Rich's "The Ides of March 2003," his recent return to the countdown to war, leaves out that mass of people -- a distinct minority in the U.S., but already part of a global majority.

They carried a plethora of handmade signs, including "No blood for oil," "Contain Saddam -- and Bush," "Uproot Shrub," "Oil for Brains, We Don't Buy It, Liberate Florida," "The Bush administration is a material breach," "Pre-emptive war is terrorism," "W is not healthy for Iraqis and other living things," "Use our Might to Persuade, not Invade," "Give Peace a Chance, Give Inspections a Chance," "How did USA's oil get under Iraq's sand," "Peace is Patriotic," and thousands more. In their essential grasp of the situation, they were on target and they marched directly into the postwar period in vast numbers before seemingly disappearing from the scene and then being wiped from history.

It wasn't, as people now often claim, that almost everyone was gulled and manipulated into supporting this war by the Bush administration, that no one could have had any sense of what a disaster was in the making. Millions of Americans had a strong sense of what might be coming down the pike and many of them actively tried to stop it from happening. I certainly did and I found myself repeatedly in crowds of staggering size.

Women traced out pleas for peace naked on beaches, while in the Antarctic well bundled bodies formed similar peace signs in the snow. And almost everywhere on the planet hundreds of thousands, millions, marched. After the invasion was launched and we had broken Iraq like a Pottery Barn vase, Americans in startling numbers went to the effort of officially apologizing in photos at the Sorry Everyone website.

The demonstrations of that moment were impressive enough that my hometown paper, the New York Times, which loves to cover large demonstrations as if they were of no significance, had a fine front-page piece by Patrick Tyler claiming that we might be seeing the planet's other superpower out on the streets.

Here is a description I offered of an enormous demonstration in New York City four days after the shock-and-awe invasion was launched:

"Twenty to thirty minutes after the group I was with ended our march at Washington Square and dispersed, I called my son -- thanks to the glories of the cell phone -- and he told me he was stuck at the end of the march over 30 blocks north of us. And we hadn't even been near the front of the march. That's a lot of people and there were sizeable crowds of onlookers, cheering from the street side as well as people waving or offering V signs from windows all along the way. It was a remarkably upbeat experience. We were all, perhaps, stunned by the evidence of our existence. Many, many young people. Wonderful signs. Drums and music. Roaring waves of cheers at the end. I think we felt something like shock and awe -- of the genuine kind -- that we had not gone away, that we were not likely to go away."
And then, in a sense, we were gone. And yet, in another sense, we never left the scene.

At the time the invasion was launched, polls showed over 70% of Americans in support of the President's war (or in a state of terror about terror, should we not stop Saddam Hussein from nuking us). Now, here we are, four years later, and the pundits who were telling us that we should indeed do it are still familiar fixtures on our TVs, while the faces of the pundits who didn't, and of the Americans, in their millions, who arrived at similar conclusions and tried to stop possibly the maddest, most improvident war in our history, have been erased from memory.

And yet, to offer a little hope to those who believe that the mainstream media holds the idling brains of hundreds of millions of Americans helplessly in its thrall, that we are all merely the manipulated, let's consider something curious indeed: The general point of view of the minority represented in those giant prewar demonstrations took deep hold as time passed and has now been embraced by a striking majority.

Back in December 2006, when James Baker's Iraq Study Group released its report -- and was hailed in the press for finding genuine "common ground" on Iraq -- I argued that the American people, without much help from politicians or the media, "had formed their own Iraq Study Group and arrived at sanity well ahead of the elite and all the 'wise men' in Washington."

The Bush administration, of course, rejected the findings of the Iraq Study Group, while the Democrats, by and large, accepted them. But no one turned out to be particularly interested in the "Iraq Study Group" formed by ordinary Americans whose "findings" were expressed in that least active of all forms: the opinion poll (and later, the midterm election). Nonetheless, the numbers in those polls represent a modest miracle, if you think about it.

According to a poll released that December by the reliable Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA), 58% of Americans wanted a withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Iraq on a timeline -- 18% within six months, 25% within a year, 15% within two years; 68% of Americans wanted us completely out of that country with no permanent bases left behind, including a majority of Republicans -- despite the fact, that you could search the American press, most of the time, in vain for any indication that the Bush administration had built a series of vast military bases, big enough to have multiple bus routes and capable of housing 20,000 or more American troops and contractors. In addition, according to PIPA, by the end of 2006, 60% of Americans had reached the conclusion that the U.S. military presence was "provoking more conflict than it is preventing"; while only 35% still thought it a "stabilizing force" in Iraq.

Too bad we don't have similar polls for politicians, opinion-makers, and media gatekeepers. They would surely bear little relation to PIPA's findings.

In 2007, if anything, such polling figures have only grown more emphatic. A recent Newsweek poll, for instance, offered the following figures: 69% of Americans disapprove of the President's "handling" of the Iraqi situation; 61% think the U.S. is losing ground in Iraq; 64% oppose the President's "surge" plan; 59% favor Congressional legislation requiring the withdrawal of all U.S. forces by the fall of 2008.

In the most recent CNN poll, 61% of Americans feel the decision to launch the invasion of Iraq was "not worth it"; 54% think the U.S. will not win there; 58% believe we should either withdraw "now" or "in a year"; in the most recent USA Today/Gallup poll, 58% favor total withdrawal from Iraq either immediately or within 12 months. So it goes in poll after poll, while the President's approval ratings continue their slow slide into the low 30s.

Let's remember, by the way, that, unlike mainstream Democratic "withdrawal" plans, the American public is talking about actually leaving Iraq, as in that old, straightforward slogan of the Vietnam era: Out now! In other words, there is a hardly noted but growing gap -- call it, in Vietnam-era-speak, a "credibility gap" -- between the Washington consensus and what the American people believe should be done when it comes to Iraq.

Add in one more odd fact here: It's possible that American public opinion is now actually closer in its conclusions to its Iraqi equivalent than to the Washington consensus. A number of recent polls, in which Iraqis expressed grim feelings about what has happened to their country, have been released and, like the American polls, they seem to reflect a belief that American forces are anything but "stabilizing" and an urge simply to have the Americans out. A PIPA September 2006 poll found "that seven in ten Iraqis want U.S.-led forces to commit to withdraw within a year."

Outsourcing Protest

And yet the translation of all this sentiment, of these conclusions, into visible action, despite inspirational moments, has generally been less than overwhelming. Yes, in the years since the invasion, there have been a few enormous marches; and yes, there are groups that protest regularly, even heroically; and yes, in cities and towns across the country, protesters have gone out weekly with their signs, sometimes to freezing mid-winter street corners, simply to make a point. Nonetheless, given the extremity of the Bush administration and its acts, it's hard not to wonder why, most of the time, the levels of mobilization have been so relatively weak.

Those of us who can use the tumultuous mobilizations of the Vietnam era as a point of comparison -- there was even a group called The Mobe then -- are certainly aware that this time around nothing comparable has happened. It's crossed my mind that there might even be a silver lining in the disappearance of those large, boisterous prewar crowds, in the fact that, generally speaking, the country seems, in protest terms, strangely demobilized.

In the Vietnam era, though few realize this, antiwar sentiment was strongest at the bottom, in the blue-collar world. As Vietnam scholar Chris Appy has pointed out, for instance, a Gallup poll in January 1971 "showed that the less formal education you had, the more likely you were to want the military out of [Vietnam]: 80% of Americans with grade school educations were in favor of a U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam; 75% of high school graduates agreed; only among college graduates did the figure drop to 60%."

What largely neutralized the full development of antiwar sentiment among the majority of Americans in that era was, I believe, the strength of anti-antiwar-movement sentiment, the visceral reaction of many working-class Americans against the crowds of protestors, against the look of that far wilder moment (and a media that invariably focused its cameras and attention on the wildest-looking of the demonstrators, especially those carrying the flags of the enemy and chanting, "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, NLF is going to win"). That visceral dislike for antiwar sentiment, as expressed in the streets, was strongest at the bottom. In other words, in those years, angry feelings about the disastrous war in Vietnam were offset by angry feelings about the most visible of those demonstrating against it.

Interesting enough, according to John Mueller of Ohio State University, an expert on the subject, the loss of support the Bush administration has experienced for its Iraqi adventure has followed the same arc as in the Vietnam era (and the Korean War era as well); but, in the Iraqi case, support has eroded far more "precipitously," based on far fewer American casualties and, Mueller wrote back in late 2005, "there is little the Bush administration can do to reverse this decline."

On this he proved correct. If anything, the decline in support seems only to have intensified in recent months, leaping well ahead of equivalent figures for the Vietnam era. Only four years into the Iraqi catastrophe, polling figures match or exceed those for 1970 (perhaps seven years into the Vietnam conflict, depending on how you count) on questions like whether you favor the complete withdrawal of American forces. In 1970, for instance, 56% of Americans thought going into Vietnam had been a mistake, already way below figures for Iraq. In the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, for example, a record 64% of Americans say the war was "not worth fighting."

Given that, why were antiwar Americans so mobilized in the Vietnam era and why are they so relatively demobilized now? (And don't think, by the way, that the Vietnam-era mobilization in the streets, with all its wildness and excesses, made no difference. Seymour Hersh, for example, points out in The Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House that President Nixon was considering a major escalation of the war in 1969 when vast crowds of demonstrators descended on the capital. "Those Americans who marched in Washington on October 15 to protest the war," Hersh wrote, "had no idea of their impact; they were protesting the policies already adopted by the Nixon administration and not those under consideration. Nixon came out of the crisis convinced that the protesters had forced him to back down [from his secret plans to escalate the war]. The protestors thought the Moratorium had been largely a failure.")

The reason most often cited for the Vietnam-era mobilization is the draft. After all, we still had a citizen army then. Usually, the draft explanation is linked only to fear -- the fear, in particular, that middle-class kids had of going to Vietnam; and fear was certainly a factor that drove some young men into the streets. But it wasn't, to my mind, the predominant one. The draft had a more important effect. It reminded young men (and also young women, who couldn't be drafted) and their friends, relatives, and parents that the killing going on in Vietnam wasn't just some distant event, that it touched and affected them. The draft made the war, and anger about it, real in a mobilizing way as nothing has done today.

Here's a second difference of eras: The young in revolt in the 1960s, whether on campuses or in the military, even those who claimed they were out to change the "system" or bring down "the establishment," had grown up with a deeply embedded belief that this was a system that could be challenged, could be changed; that real democracy (or "participatory democracy" in the phrase of the moment) was actually possible; that each person could make a difference. We still retained -- whether we knew it or not -- a kind of faith in the American system and its ability to respond. We had hope.

Similarly -- and this is a third point seldom mentioned today -- the young in the streets, however frustrated by the moment, however unresponsive or even criminal they found their leaders, still believed that, at some level, they would be, and should be, listened to. And the fact is they were being listened to. When President Lyndon B. Johnson complained about "that horrible song" ("Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"), he was listening; when Richard Nixon went out of his awkward way to claim that he would be watching a Washington Redskins football game as demonstrators arrived in town, he was signaling that he knew they were coming.

Today, it crosses no young minds that the top officials in the White House might be listening. Many fewer young people, I suspect, have any remnant of that deep faith that our political system could be responsive to them or that anything they could do might change it. When they look to Washington, what they see is fraud, dysfunction, conspiracy, cronyism, cabal, influence-peddling, corruption, fear -- in short, a system, a world, beyond response, possibly beyond repair, and utterly alien to their lives. In such a situation, despair or apathy tends to replace anger and hope.

The Iraq demobilization, then, is certainly part of a larger demobilization, a deeper belief that, as Bill Moyers made vividly clear in a recent speech, your vote doesn't matter; that democracy is a-functional; that none of this has anything to do with you, or your ballot, or your feet, or your sign, or your shout.

Our world has changed radically since the Vietnam era. Today, an increasing part of what matters in public life (and work life) has been "privatized" and subcontracted out, or simply outsourced. The U.S. military has essentially been subcontracted out to small-town and immigrant or green-card America -- to, that is, the forgotten or ignored places in our land; as a result, for most people in draft-less America, the war is not part of our lives or that of our children. (The draft itself has been carefully kept off the table by the Bush administration, despite the desperation of a body-hungry, overstretched military.) In addition, war-fighting has been outsourced to private corporate contractors who deliver the mail and the fuel, do KP, wash the laundry, build the bases, and, in the case of tens of thousands of rent-a-cop mercenaries, do some of the guarding, fighting, and interrogating in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And yes, the political system has increasingly been subcontracted out, with malice aforethought, to thieves, looters, cronies, and absolute dopes. Little wonder that Americans, living through the Age of Enron, scanning the horizon from Iraq to New Orleans to Walter Reed Army Medical Center, and watching Halliburton head for Dubai, generally believe their system no longer works; that those high-school civics texts are a raging joke (that, in fact, fierce joking, à la Jon Stewart, is the only reasonable response to the extreme, roiling absurdity of this administration as well as our world); and that, if you took to the streets of the capital, no one in either party would be paying the slightest attention.

No wonder Americans have arrived at a series of striking conclusions on Iraq, but haven't done much about them.

In an interview with the President, Jim Lehrer recently inquired about why he hadn't asked the public (other than the military) to "sacrifice" more. Bush, who had urged Americans to show their post-9/11 mettle by heading for Disney World and intensifying their shopping behavior, fumbled around before replying this way:
"Well, you know, I think a lot of people are in this fight. I mean, they sacrifice peace of mind when they see the terrible images of violence on TV every night. I mean, we've got a fantastic economy here in the United States, but yet, when you think about the psychology of the country, it is somewhat down because of this war."
Perhaps the formula wasn't so much bread and circuses as terror and consumerism. (Stop al-Qaeda, use more gas.) Same idea, though. This was, after all, an administration intent on terrifying and demobilizing most Americans (while mobilizing the foot-soldiers of the political right), all so that they could create a Pax Americana world and a Pax Republicana "homeland."

It was a mad dream, now in ruins. In response -- and this is just my own hunch -- Americans performed their own acts of privatization, even as they came to reject this administration, its war, and the way it was gambling with all our lives. That's not so surprising. After all, we really do all breathe the same air, live in the same world. And so, while they were at it, many Americans may have subcontracted out their war protest to others, to the pros maybe (even if those pros were actually dedicated amateurs, some of whom really were sacrificing something in their place). That, I think, is the forest I see.


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Tom Engelhardt, who runs the Nation Institute's Tomdispatch.com ("a regular antidote to the mainstream media"), is the co-founder of the American Empire Project and, most recently, the author of Mission Unaccomplished: Tomdispatch Interviews with American Iconoclasts and Dissenters (Nation Books), the first collection of Tomdispatch interviews.

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"If so many people are fed up with the war, why is everyone so silent?"
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 27, 2007 12:56 AM   
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Why? Because "The System" thrives on apathy, non-involvement, ignorance of the masses, and feelings of individual powerlessness.

American Democracy...you get what you pay for!

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It's because the war is very serious, and the threat very real
Posted by: Bobsays on Mar 27, 2007 1:08 AM   
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Leftists like to frame all this as Vietnam War part two. This is not part two. The US was lethally attacked (a better comparison is Japan at Pearl Harbour). The war is global, and while luckily the US has not been attacked in five years (and that is down to the President's actions), many other countries are fighting a bloody war against islamic militants: Thailand, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Philippines, Indonesia etc. etc.

The reason most people are not in the streets is because most people are smart enough to see these facts. What they really are demanding is this: they want straight information on the threat and the scale of this war, they want competence and not incompetence and greed, they want an end to hypocracy (that is, while we know the threat, we see mass immigration from muslim countries into the west still occuring - this must stop until the threat goes away), we need an end to the building of mosques and the introduction of sharia-lite in the west, and they demand a time frame: some sense of large goals that will be achieved in a set number of years. And that we wage total war to achieve it, not half war that gets half a result. People are exhausted now because all of this should have happened five years ago.

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» Soma nation Posted by: eddie torres
» No Bob, it's because of you. Posted by: Iconoclast421
A well-written, thoughtful article.
Posted by: jwc on Mar 27, 2007 2:05 AM   
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it just seems hopeless.

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We are silent because of shame.
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 27, 2007 3:37 AM   
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For the first time in American history, we are fighting a war that requires no shared sacrifice except by the U.S. military and their families.

Rather than face up to that shameful fact, we follow the lead of a president who engineered the only wartime tax cut ever and told us to "Go shopping." And so we do, silently, more concerned about "American Idol" in the United States than American casualties in Iraq.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» RE: We are silent because of shame....sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Poverty? Survival?
Posted by: setterwoman on Mar 27, 2007 5:23 AM   
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Maybe with the increase in poverty levels, people are too focused on survival to have time or energy to do anything.

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» RE: Poverty? Survival?...You are sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
We assume our gang is the toughest
Posted by: daw13 on Mar 27, 2007 5:59 AM   
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no matter how much we may disaprove of its leaders' behavior. This assumption is nutured every time Bushco tortures, lies, illegally wiretaps etc. It is nurtured by the undying suspcision that the WTC on 9/11 fell in a manner indicating they were mined ahead of time. If the FBI and CIA and whomever else can inflitrate every organization, can control every event, then no matter how oppressively they operate, the bottom line for most of us, unconciously perhaps, is that they can also keep us safe if we allow them full rein.

This is perhaps the biggest lie we're sold: that our leaders can pull it off. Can create an Orwellian solution to too many people too little energy, and other consequences of a rising Third World demanding to sit at the table of the First. When citizens begin to understand how vulnerable they truly are, to what degree their ganglords are flailing rather than strategizing, the apathy will begin to evaporate.

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We are NOT silent!
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Mar 27, 2007 6:06 AM   
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But due to a deliberately dumbed-down educational system (and therefore, a dumb-down populace that's near it's limit just trying to survive), an MSM that prints and shows only what it's told to, and CONSTANT government propaganda, NO ONE HEARS US. It's that simple. In a country of more than 300 million, no one can shout loudly enough to be heard unaided, and so whoever controls the machinery that makes us loud enough to be heard and drowns out those they don't want to be heard wins.

Ian

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» RE: We are NOT silent! Posted by: mazel
» RE: We are NOT silent! Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: We are NOT silent! Posted by: djnoll
why we need the draft
Posted by: zooeyhall on Mar 27, 2007 6:23 AM   
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It's quite simple, really. If we had a draft--and I mean a draft with absolutely NO exemptions or deferrals--this war would have ended long ago, if indeed it would have started at all.

More passion on the part of the anti-war movement is not going to end this (or future) wars. More carefully reasoned arguments, more tears, more emotion, is not going to make a difference.

If the people in the gated communities, the Mc Mansions, the Lexus Liberals realize that any day THE LETTER can arrive in their mailbox announcing that their precious Johnny or Jane's ass has been called up to get shot-off in Iraq or Iran---attitudes would change in a BIG hurry! Politicians would think twice before comitting troops to a war, knowing the pressure that would come from the people who really count to the politicos in Washington: the upper middle class.

With the volunteer army, what reason is there for the above named groups to worry overmuch about the war? With the sons and daughters of that checker at Walmart doing the fighting?

It was the existence of the draft in the Vietnam era that really fueled the protests against that war.

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» RE: why we need the draft Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: why we need the draft Posted by: jmp3954
The times they are a changin'
Posted by: janten on Mar 27, 2007 6:35 AM   
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Maybe those of us who began protesting in the 60s are still protesting but in different ways. Maybe the younger protesters are also doing it in different ways. Times and methods do change. Some of us are protesting here on the web and via email, a medium we certainly didn't have available in the olden days. One question is, though, can this electronic avenue be as effective as marching down paved avenues? Perhaps not. Or, perhaps it can be more effective, at least in some ways. Maybe we don't really know, can't really know, yet.

One thing about the electronic realm is that one can potentially reach a very wide audience and do it practically instantly. One testament to the power of the electrons is the ability of an organization such as MoveOn.org to raise tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars practically overnight. Another is the ability to gather signatures by the hundreds of thousands amazingly quickly, as Al Gore recently did when he set a goal of 350,000 and gathered over half a million in the available time span. There's great power there, if anyone is actually paying attention.

A possible paradoxical downside is that there are so many electronic fora that one's voice, while being instantly "heard" worldwide, may be diluted and become lost in the shuffle and not counted because we're all scattered and there is no central town square to gather in, no government or university building to occupy to command attention, no easy way to reliably demonstrate a critical mass. How can we best use these electrons to affect our elections and influence our elected ... or at least our office holders, our office occupiers!?

Which brings up our currently discouraging situation with our present occupant who sees himself as the Divinely Guided Decider who simply refuses to pay any attention to outside influences. Hah, I first mistyped "ourside influences." So many of us protested, here in the USA, in the rest of the world, a coalition of the voices for sanity and reason, but we weren't heard and Iraq has been destroyed.

The times they are a changin' and we have a lot to learn on the fly. Being a good citizen has always required on the job training and retraining.

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we need the draft and violent civil disobedience
Posted by: scott balogh on Mar 27, 2007 7:08 AM   
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Peaceful marches do not grab attention in this violence oriented country, the usa. The threat of being drafted will grab the sleepers attention and cause them to imagine their own demise. They will stand up to protect themselves exactly like in the Viet Nam days. The killers in the federal government will pay attention to violence in the street, especially when we are calling for their heads.

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Nice Analysis
Posted by: Brutus on Mar 27, 2007 7:13 AM   
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However, the question of political disenfranchisement needs much greater thought. The old 19th and 20th century political institutions have all degraded, outside of television, people have no contact with politics.

Secondly, while people like to celebrate the activism of 60's antiwar, it lambasted establishment politics and completely failed to create anything new. All the criticisms of the 60s antiwar people against established politics evolved pretty easily into the Reagan anti-government mantra.

We've had four decades of writing off the American political process, I'm amazed anyone votes at this point, and that is quite a dangerous situation.

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GDZ
Posted by: GDZ on Mar 27, 2007 7:19 AM   
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I've recently attended two protests, one on the 17th at the Pentagon and a local one in Pittsburgh the following Saturday. I was not disappointed by the turnout for the national protest, rather, by the counter-protesters surly behavior. The Pittsburgh protest, while not huge, was vocal and charged with energy.

While I believe that most Americans do want this war to end soon, we still haven't taken full responsibility for it. We haven't been asked to pay for it through increased taxes and, at the same time, have been shielded from seeing the true horror we have wrought.

Bush's war in Iraq was marketed to be fast and easy, with a cute toy called freedom waiting at the bottom.

We carelessly allowed him to appeal to our narcissism while bastardizing our patriotism into a sweet, pre-packaged happy meal, loaded with fat and calories while having zero nutritional value. We are bloated and sick and yet we can't seem stop our destructive behavior.

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THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 27, 2007 7:33 AM   
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Arrest a poor person, no matter what color and it's less complicated. They can't afford a lawyer. An affluent suburban kid (any color) is another matter. Who are the parents? What will the consequences be. How will this affect the child's future ? The poor kid's future is shakey at best. So what if he has a criminal record at 16. Harvard is not in his future. Jail probable is. This is what passes for "The War on Drugs". By the way it isn't working. Thanks, ANNA

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If So Many People Are Fed Up With The War, Then Why Is Everyone So Silent ?
Posted by: dezertlady71 dezertlady71 on Mar 27, 2007 8:01 AM   
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I was in High School during the Viet Nam war, but I still remember the protesting and controversies and the draft. Watching loved ones and friends helplessly being exploited for a war that even I knew was wrong.

You mention in a paragraph of your article that the protest you attended lacked enthusiam;what did YOU do to make it enthusiastic? Anything??? Often it takes one person to light the fire if others don't know how or don't care to.

I have a son and a nephew currently on active duty in Iraq since the war started, with a small break in between. In there for who knows how long. It's frustrating because we have a President who is only in the war for money. That's the Republican way.

I protest the war by voting for those who oppose it and who have from the beginning. I write Congress and Representatives as often as I need to. Attend town hall meetings when they are held, and ask tons of questions. I also attend protests when they are held if I can. I've got several members of Congress in my email addresses and on Speed Dial.

If people choose to sit back, they feel they are not being heard, so why bother. That's the environment this Administration has built surrounding secret politics and a "I can do anything I want because I am above the law" attitude by Bush and his cronies.

All of the political talk shows on tv and radio don't need one more guest speaker who knows nothing about how Americans really feel about things. They need actual Americans to participate on these shows. I don't need people telling me how to think.

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"If so many people are fed up with the war, why is everyone so silent?"
Posted by: judithkrain on Mar 27, 2007 8:10 AM   
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Several of us feel terribly beaten down. I'm a political junkie and an activist. I planned a small part and participated in The March for Women's Lives in 2004.

It was the single largest march in the history of the United States of America. It got so little media coverage that it was embarrassing.

The media does not mirror the pulse of the nation in any meaningful way, and people like me think that there's no use in trying to get attention to problems that we want resolved.

Even with rigged ballot boxes, the people sent a message to DC. But, DC is still not listening. The Democrats are terrified of the results that might occur from taking any meaningful action on issues that we want resolved, and the Republicans are still fearfully catering to a radical right wing religious minority.

We write, call, send faxes and emails and still nothing happens without the ok from the likes of Halliburton, Exxon/Mobil and big banking interests.

Perhaps history will view the Oklahoma City bombing as the first step in the second American Revolution.

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olliesmom
Posted by: olliesmom on Mar 27, 2007 8:34 AM   
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I am 59 years old. I have arthritis. I've had two knee replacements. I planned to march last Sunday but the weather prevented me. I sign all the petitions and wear the "Save the Bill of Rights" t-shirts and write Letters to the Editor, but, practically speaking, my participation has been curtailed because the body is not what it used to be and the mind has become cynical, jaded and overwhelmed by the enormity of the task we have set ourselves to. If anything, I care more than I ever did. I am moved to tears by Iraq and Darfur and livid with rage over the scandals in Washington. I am grateful for people such as yourself who persevere when people like me get tired. I am not 20 years old and full of optimism and energy anymore. It is hard to work up enthusiasm when you have lived to see many injustices and found out that goodness and right do not always prevail.

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» RE: olliesmom Posted by: bookie
We're discouraged.
Posted by: saywhat on Mar 27, 2007 8:43 AM   
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When newspapers - including the newspaper in my own small town - underreports the numbers at peace demonstrations, like we were nothing, it gets more than discouraging. You start staying home because no one acknowledges you were even there. Yes, the barbarians will have to be at the gate, as you say, to finally get their attention. Well, with the "war on terror" they are already at the gate, but people haven't noticed. Yet.

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Why I'm Not Fighting to End the War, Why I'll Stand Instead
Posted by: teenabooth on Mar 27, 2007 9:04 AM   
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I am against the war in Iraq, but you would never know it by my actions. The loss of precious life and resources saddens me, frustrates me, and infuriates me daily. And yet, as the anniversary of the war approached, and calls to protest flooded my inbox, I was still sitting there, inert as ever.
Not once have I called or written my elected representative to ask them to end the war. Not once have I painted a sign or marched in protest. I have written no letter to the editor, posted no comment to a blog, slapped no peace bumper stickers to my car. More and more often I ask myself: Why don’t I join the fight to end this war? What is wrong with me?
As this article suggests, anti-war paralysis is not my problem alone. And I think the author is right that the nature of protesting is part of the problem. My one coincidental brush with a peace march in California was anything but a peaceful experience. I felt immediately assaulted by shrill shouts from competing P.A. systems, and by radical activists shoving radical literature at me, and by angry signs sprinkled with four-letter words. I would have expected a march to be an empowering experience, but I didn’t exactly feel empowered.
Of course, it is devilishly difficult to inspire action in people that simply don’t feel responsible, and the truth is, I haven't felt responsible. After all, I didn’t vote for the decider that ordered our troops into battle. The war was started without my consent or approval, and wouldn't I be justified for a mindset that goes something like: “Well, we got what we deserved, didn’t we?”
But underneath all that, I think I am suffering something deeper. I feel like someone who is stuck in a family where one member is committing a series of terrible crimes must feel. Rarely do family members turn on one of their own, even in the face of obvious guilt. To go public would devastate to their sense of being “good people.” And so they sit, frozen in denial, as if nothing is happening. Meanwhile, new victims fall every day.
Victims of the Iraq war are indeed falling every day. I don’t know why my denial is wearing away, and my sense of responsibility is suddenly flaring to life, but I can no longer ignore the blood on my hands. And I can no longer pretend I can wash my hands clean while the mob goes about its paranoid business of the torture and murder of its perceived enemies.
I do not, however, feel ready to shout into microphones at strangers, or wave angry signs in a protest which the media, and the deciders, will ignore anyway. Rather, I want to do what I recently read in a book called The Great Silent Grandmother Gathering, by Sharon Mehdi. I want to embody peace by simply standing in my own neighborhood, with people I know, quietly, respectfully. I want to do this as a way to accept the responsibility that is mine as a citizen, but also as a way to restore the dignity I feel has been lost to us as members of the American family. I want to affirm that we are good people.
I will take my stand at my local park on Mother’s Day, May 13, a day that was first proposed in 1870 by Julia Ward Howe as day for mothers and women to join together in support of peace. If you are also feeling its time to take some responsibility, visit www.standintheparkforpeace.org.

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Why are we so silent?? That's and easy one!
Posted by: MAD on Mar 27, 2007 9:30 AM   
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Because Americans are fat, apathetic and ignorant lumps of shit who can't think past the tips of their own noses. It's easy to tune out the sounds and images of war when most of us continue to enjoy the very luxuries of which we simultaneously deprive others. Very few of you have met a soldier who has lost his arm or leg and I would venture to say that none of you have met an orphaned Iraqi child. America may have turned police state but most of you are still free to go on buying cheap plastic knick knacks from Wal-Mart as if war were the most innocuous thing in the world.

It's a pity that more Americans don't get out and travel internationally more often. If they did, they would find a world seething with hatred towards ALL Americans, not just our leaders as many naively presume. No, most people around the world have long since dispensed with the notion that we are somehow fundamentally different than our leaders, when in fact, we are hardly different at all. We are the corptocracy because we continue to shop Target and buy GE light bulbs. "No Blood For Oil" you say but that sure hasn't stopped 99% of you from jumping into that 18 MPG gas whore to speed off to Pottery Barn, has it? Face it - Americans are degenerate hypocrites who no longer stand for anything except a quick buck and instant material gratification. Back to more "Dancing With The Stars" - zzzzzzzzz.

We think we have done our duty by merely voting for the Dems even when it was patently obvious that they were chickenshit cowards who only had their best financial interests at heart. So Dem Voters, Sorry Yet? What made you think they would get the job done? You didn't - you were just too damn lazy and cowardly to do anything about it yourself! I wish I had a dime for every Alterneter who proudly puffed up his chest like a silver back gorilla, declaring how he had just returned from some lame fucking (risk-free) rally where he listened to $usan $arandon wax poetic about war, therefore "striking a blow for the anti-war movement". You did nothing more than temporarily clean your own sullied conscience. We are no longer free. We have sold our souls to the Kleptocracy and we have done so cheaply. As we have no souls anymore, we are damned! We deserve every negative consequence of our actions. But look on the bright side. At least you'll be able to keep yourselves entertained with anecdotes about the mighty Sean Penn and Danny Glover (who will be residing in Greece by that time) while you're locked up in some KBR camp.

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Why America doesn't have a draft.
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 27, 2007 9:30 AM   
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Most AlterNet readers know about the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), but for those who are unfamiliar with the neoconservative front organization, here's some background information that explains why we have no draft during wartime, the first time in modern history.

PNAC was formed in 1997 by Gulf War 2 architects Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, plus 20 other prominent rightwing Republicans.

President Bush is surrogately connected to PNAC through his brother Jeb, an original 1997 founder.

PNAC members wanted an obedient mercenary army to do their bidding. More importantly, absent a draft, an “all-volunteer” force minimized war protests, a key to PNAC’s grand design of starting preemptive wars and dominating the world with U.S. military power.

Not coincidentally, it was Rep. Rumsfeld who introduced legislation in Congress to kill the draft. He later joined Cheney in the Pentagon and created no-bid, “singe-source” contracts which made both men wealthy war whores.

For a list of 225 PNAC members (“signatories”) including rightwing Democrats in liberal clothing, visit my website, King-George.biz -- the only one with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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Give me drugs
Posted by: eddie torres on Mar 27, 2007 9:33 AM   
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The street is where Americans go to get illegal drugs. And clocked by the Feds.

The psychiatrist is where Americans go to get legal narcotics. They have such pleasant waiting rooms.

Given a choice, Americans avoid the streets. Who the hell cares about marching arm-in-arm with a bunch of smelly hippies when that psychiatrist's waiting room is sooooo niiiiice...

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Why people don't get out there
Posted by: Cruella on Mar 27, 2007 10:12 AM   
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I think that what you notice is a combination of factors, of course I'm describing the UK version but I think there is significant overlap:

1) Lack of media coverage (as you discuss). People don't know the protest is happening, they don't know how many are expected - the protesters are reported on as though they're a slightly dangerous extremist group. Certainly for instance my mum wouldn't go "in case there was trouble". And then after the event the numbers are under-reported and problems over-reported.

2) People don't really (viscerally) understand war. We've never really lived through one that we've seen close up. As you say your protest was a lot of Vietnam vets. People who really understand the horror of war. To the rest, it's sub-consciously indistinguishable from Black Hawk Down or Saving Private Ryan.

3) People feel like it isn't going to do any good. Politicians don't even acknowledge protests have taken place. And there's been exactly zero policy reaction to the protests. So people feel why bother?

4) Time and effort. Work fills up a much greater percentage of our lives than it used to. Much is made of work-life balance meaning you have to spend 8 hours a day in the office and 8 hours a day with your children, but little is made about the balance between work life and political involvement in local and national issues.

5) Genuine fear of the police and authorities. They really are making lists of people who protest. They have made it illegal to protest in certain areas and without permission in writing six years in advance. You could wind up with a criminal record just for walking down the street.

Personally when the war was first on it's way I was living in Japan and I sure showed up to the march (on a Saturday, so no need to take time off work). Sinc ethen I've signed petitions and contributed to anti-war campaigns (especially Amnesty over the Guantanamo Bay mess) but I didn't know when the more recent marches were until the last minute and I'd got meetings planned by then. It's not that I think my meetings are more important than stopping the war but I think the likelihood that any politician will pay any notice to my prescence on such a march is outweighed by the likelihood that I'll miss out on important work if I have to move meetings and my contributions are probably more important than my flag-waving...

Also the UK government is doing SO MANY awful things I can't really schedule protesting all of them. I do my best to publicise the ones I hear about. This was the latest.

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LonelyNumber
Posted by: Sakkara on Mar 27, 2007 11:14 AM   
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All the protest in the world won't change our situation. You can vote for whatever you want, Democrats who promise change but are afraid (or unwilling) to act or Independents who have no chance of ever getting elected. Your vote doesn't matter, your opinion doesn't matter, YOU don't matter, I don't matter. You can sign petitions that get tossed in waste cans or deleted out of inboxes until your pen runs dry. Republicans have spent the last 15 years taking control of every possible political avenue-- redistricting and voter fraud to control the elections, embedding christian fundamentalists in strategic political posts (these people don't care what the leaders do as long as gays are kept down and abortion is stamped out) to control every aspect of the political and judicial process, and filling the media with right-wing sounding boards who are happy to control the masses, not inform them. Republican operatives control all 3 branches of government and the media. We (the rational, non-extremists) have so little of our republic left; the adults don't care because American Idol is on, the kids don't care because schools are more concerned with teaching creationism than American History. The only way we as a country, the way it was intended, will survive intact is if we immediately arrest every member of the Executive branch right down to the Aides and promptly create a required class for every American student called "Everything You've Been Taught Up to This Point is Wrong." Otherwise it's all downhill from here, no matter what the Iraq outcome, and sadly I will have to admit that we deserved what we got. Nations don't last much over 200 years anyway, and maybe what comes after us will be better. Or not.

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Without the threat of violence
Posted by: owlbear1 on Mar 27, 2007 11:14 AM   
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a march is nothing but a party...
A place the participants can stand in the street and wave a sign and pat themselves on the back for "Doing Something."

Unless that MOB of 5 or 10 or 50 or 100 thousand is screaming loudly "We are sick of this shit and have gathered together to DEMONSTRATE you can't get us all us before we get YOU!", it is no more effective passing out fliers.

Why won't mass protests work now?

Because the warmongers learned they most effective way to combat mass protests is to use them as a source of fear.

Bushies HATE protesters, fear them, loath them. Why? Because its easier to do that than looking themselves in the eye. It allows the warmongers to blame the protesters for the problems instead of the war.

You have at your fingertips a much more powerful tool than any cardboard sign.

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Lessons were learned in Vietnam
Posted by: ateo on Mar 27, 2007 12:11 PM   
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The policy makers learned their lessons during Vietnam and have clearly learned how to quell the protests and numb the masses. First and foremost there is the lack of a draft. Now the average American can say, "well, they volunteered for the military." The rich and middle class in the highly populated and wealthier parts of the country don't have any children serving and probably don't know anyone who does. Therefore, there is a disconnect between the people and the war.

In that gap there is the bread and circuses you speak of. American shopping mall market hedonism running rampant while the children of the poor are drawn from the ghettos and farms of America and sent off to fight and die for us.

The impact of the war is not felt at home therefore few care to even show up and protest. What more needs to be said? The lessons of Vietnam were not lost on policy makers. They spent millions of hours collectively figuring out how to get Americans to support their wars and shut the hell up while doing it. Hence you have a volunteer army and the "support our troops" movement.

Welcome to the new America. The 60's are over and what worked back then, won't work today.

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» The only thing missing-- Posted by: Doubtom
A sense of powerlessness
Posted by: MrHector on Mar 27, 2007 2:28 PM   
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I think you put your analysis is spot on. People are angry, but there does not seem to be anything that they can do with their anger. The main political parties in both the UK and the US have forgotten that they are supposed to be employed as our representatives and instead and intent on selling us slightly differently flavoured versions of the same shit. Peaceful protests are ignored and violent protests and morally and practically indistinguishable from the war in that they hurt the innocent, leave the guilty untouched and generally achieve the exact opposite of what they intend.

A further contributory factor is the sense that there are no good answers any more. It is, all too possible that walking away from Iraq WILL make a bad situation even worse. I know that this is what Bush and and his fellow fuck wits are saying but it could still be true in spite of that. The fires of tribal and religious hatred which have flared up over the past four years will continue to burn for years, probably for decades. I live across the water from Northern Ireland and I know all too well how some people can use events which are hundreds of years into history as an excuse for killing men, women and children today. Yugoslavia, India (post-partition), Bosnia-Herzegovina and Chechnya all illustrate the same phenomenon. If people have long suppress and deeply felt reasons for wanting to kill one another there is a damned good chance that they are going to give into them given half a chance. The notion that if every British and US soldier were to be lifted out of Iraq tomorrow, peace and light would magically descend is almost certainly a fantasy. With so many people feeling so much hate and burning with such desire for revenge a descent into anarchy and the carnage of civil war seems much more likely.

But before this, admittedly depressing, analysis should be seen as an argument in favour of "staying the course" the counter-argument has to be considered. Maybe leaving will make things worse, but can staying possibly make them any better? Is there any hope that throwing more men, money or munitions into the smouldering shit hole which we have helped establish where Iraq used to be. The dwindling band of true believers continue to insist that all we need to do is carry on with the policies which have failed so appallingly over the past four years and everything will magically be all right in the end. Given the monumental lack of correlation between their statements and predictions in the past and the way the world has subsequently turned out to be, it is pretty fucking hard to see why any brighter than a lobotomised chipmunk would choose to subscribe to this delusion. Which means that "staying the course" is simply a euphemism for throwing away money and live and more money and more lives knowing that in the end we are going to end up running away and leaving a mess which will be even more appalling and difficult to deal with than the one which would be there is we left today. Continuing to fight when you can't win and when your tactics are so wrong-headed that they are actually making things worse is not a sign of courage or integrity. it is a sign that you are a fucking gutless moron. (I was going to write something more analytical here, but then I realised that there was nothing I could say which would come half so close to reflecting what I think of the people who started and continue to prosecute the war.)

The end result is that people smoulder and glower but fail to act, convinced that nothing they have the power to do will do the remotest good.

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Where do all these naive people come from?
Posted by: dayahka on Mar 27, 2007 2:34 PM   
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The amazing thing to me is how naive many people, and the writer for sure, seem to be. You all act as if the US really IS a democratic country, then when it's not you stand around expressing amazement, try to find a scapegoat (surely it must be the evil Republicans), then write to express how amazed you are that your delusion is somehow not real and evil must be lurking around. Jeez...The US is a violent, militaristic nation built on the backs of willingly gullible slaves with the help of architectonic symbolic sytems and myths. The US is not a democratic system that somehow has gone wrong, it has always been an oppressive system. You all put too much credence on the founding fathers, Constitutional government, and other such fibs.

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gladstone
Posted by: gladstone on Mar 27, 2007 3:23 PM   
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Why is everyone so silent? Because they're living too well with too much stuff, and too busy with too many things. Like soccer practice and iTunes.

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New focus
Posted by: gjames on Mar 27, 2007 5:09 PM   
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I have joyously attended peace demonstrations - but I understand why many people my age who are similarly inclined for peace don't attend. There is a sense that demonstrations not only have little effect, they have no effect. Is it true? I don't know, but what I do know is that the peace demonstrations show that there are tens of millions of people committed to peace in Iraq. Let me just throw this out there and hope someone who is involved in the organized movement takes it up: what we American masses who seek peace in Iraq should do now is literally bring the peace to Iraq. I don't know how we could do it, but there is a need for teachers, doctors, hell, probably food & clothes - there is a need for an organized movement not in the United States but of Americans in Iraq. We have a lot to atone for, and if not the peace coalition, it will be nobody. The war has created terrorists? Almost certainly. What can we do? Spread love on a person to person basis. I am not at the point in my life where I can afford to do this. I anticipate, though, in perhaps a years' time or just over that, I will be able to go to Iraq and spread as much love as I can. And I hope many others will do the same. We have to - the alternative is that the hatred this war has engendered will not be healed, and then we will be guilty, not of stopping the war, but of failing to bring the love.

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» RE: New focus Posted by: peacefullaim
The first WMDs.
Posted by: Mahjee on Mar 27, 2007 5:32 PM   
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In all this anti-war talk from well-meaning souls it is rarely mentioned that the United States is the only nation on Earth to have used atomic/nuclear weapons in anger. Indeed, the U.S. invented the concept of WMDs. The two devices I refer to were aimed at the civilian populations of Nagasaki and Hirsoshima and were the world's first instant atrocities ( just add heavy water ).
If the U.S. truly is a democracy as most Americans claim; then, by extension, all citizens eligible to vote are also responsible for devastating acts done in the name of American democracy. Iraq is just latest atrocity in a long list of atrocities the U.S. has embarked upon since World War Two. I pray it will be the last.

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Perhaps Silence is the Answer...
Posted by: djnoll on Mar 27, 2007 7:00 PM   
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Please go to my website and read "American Silence" at http://www.standanddeliveramerica.com. Silence can be deafening and resounding, and maybe protesting with shouts and banners and fist waving is not the answer. Think about what I have written and then think how you can start this in your community. The deadline would be this July 4th and every one after until the message is sent.

http://www.standanddeliveramerica.com
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Consionce with a wreath
Posted by: Slonezy on Mar 27, 2007 9:19 PM   
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Consionce with a wreath

Beat a drum and play a tune
a boy comes hobbling home.
Honor him and praise his deeds,
he just got back from war.

He killed a couple dozen men,
he wounded quite a few.
He's crippled for his entire life,
praise him for a day or two.

Forgive him if his minds quite warped,
bless his lonely twisted soul.
Ease your consionce with some praise,
Let the church bells toll.

Your the one that sent him there,
Quite against his will.
You washed his brain and filled it up,
with thoughts of how to kill.

You go to church and worship God
and praise his written word
and quote those little sayings like,
The pen is mightyer than the sword.

And then you fill your bellys up
with profits from the war.
You say it keeps our country free.
Your rotten to the core.

You say you love your fellow man.
Your lying in your teeth.
You kill a man and then
You salve your consionce with a wreath.

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You know...
Posted by: OneAcre2012 on Mar 27, 2007 10:07 PM   
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...we're all born into this world and we grow and change and we sure do suck off of our environment a lot and then one day we wake up and wonder, like how the f did we get here? Like not in terms of location on the planet but rather location in the universe. And we see all the things that have gone so terribly wrong over the course of human history, and it becomes so difficult to believe that one person can make a difference. It's that whole original sin thing, like I don't feel I've caused the world to turn to shit, but it did, and here I am, and what am I doing about it, probably not enough...I mean, what can any of us really do other than talk some things over, agree, maybe disagree, maybe somewhere in between, and then go pay the bills? The only real answer to our problems is to strip it all down to what it really is and stop believing the bullshit that we've made up for ourselves, this mess of money and government and nationality and all the things we separate ourselves from each other with, and just get to the truth, which is that we are all one. The universe is in all of us. And therefore we are all the universe. The earth is an organism, and we have come from it, so we are not here to destroy but to ensure that it continues because that's all we really can do. "The quest...is to be liberated from the negative..."

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We are silent because Americans live in a police state
Posted by: Lector on Mar 27, 2007 11:07 PM   
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at, least that could be one of the reasons. America has more prison cells and people in them than any other country on the planet. And the majority of them are not the rich.

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Campaigning again and again and again...
Posted by: tinalouise on Mar 28, 2007 6:59 AM   
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This reveals the frustration we all feel at the futility of repeated wars, no lessons learned and continuous activity on the part of those that oppose the idiocy and inhumanity of war...being ignored.

I am in England and grow exhausted at protest with no true representation by the usual media; all in the anti-war/peace movement (individuals and groups) are aware of how little attention the mainstream media will afford your/our efforts...they typically lower the turnout numbers and make us sound like a small lunatic fringe group when we march; it is always the way.

That though is one of the reasons why we established ARMS AGAINST WAR (www.armsagainstwar.info) - to create an 'image' that we could all wear (freely at no cost) that would show just how many of us agree with the statement "I want an end to the war in Iraq". We need an image that unites us.

Our home-made, white fabric armbands are available to every person, they cost nothing and are instantly available by tearing and wearing fabric from a sheet, t-shirt etc.

It may seem a small gesture, insignificant even - but look at the difference between one pesky bee and a swarm...we need to be seen and the armband not only gives us an image media can relate to - it also means we can demonstrate at all times in all places, in groups, at events, alone, at work, at lectures etc. yet still be united in purpose wherever and whoever we are.

Please consider making these yourself and passing this information on to your mailing list so that what you do, is the same as what demonstrators against the war in Iraq are doing the world over - then we will be a swarm.


Namaste,
Tina Louise
www.armsagainstwar.info

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The TITLE of the post refers to the fact that polls indicate otherwise....
Posted by: olderworker on Mar 28, 2007 11:25 AM   
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...if you didn't get it, Bob, the point is that the majority of the Americans polled are against this current Iraq war, and yet they don't seem to march, or express public dissent.
I think it's because, at least at the marches in my area -- I recently attended a candlelight vigil in protest of the Iraq involvement -- the vast majority of participants ARE old. Young, energetic people tend to not want to be associated with older, worn-out looking people. (I know this because, although I'm 55, I look a lot younger and 20-somethings frequently TELL me they don't want to associate with 45 year olds, for example)
They think demonstrations are "old school", something their parents might have done in the Vietnam era.

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MEDIA SILENCE Tells All
Posted by: abqbabe on Mar 28, 2007 4:01 PM   
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People are NOT silent. There are massive, Vietnam-eras style protests, as well as numberless smaller ones everyday.
The problem is the MEDIA. Without media coverage we might as well not exist on the national stage. Try getting AP to pick up on stories of neighborhood protests, symbolic memorials for war casualties, or even protest gatherings of several thousand. If it appears at all it's in section F on page 10. 'Awe, look how cute our local peaceniks are'.

FORCE the media to report on these events and you will soon see just how vocal people are. Call TV and radio stations; write letters; send in pictures and videos - and then call again and ask why events were not reported!
Instead, right now we have a whipped-dog media that cowers under political pressure, and therefore treats non-events, like Nicole Whats-her-name's death as more important than what's actually happening in our communities.

People are not silent, only the media is.

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This article struck a nerve. . .
Posted by: peacefullaim on Mar 28, 2007 6:59 PM   
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because I am fed up. Fed up with this outlaw administration and what's been done to our country. Fed up to the point of heartbreak over the Iraq war. Fed up with running to catch the news each day for fear of more war, more death, more destruction. And yes, I've been just itching to get out there and do something. And I will. Just as soon as I get through dealing with the insurance industry, figure out a way to get the meds my son needs without remortgaging my house, and coping with the absolute nightmare that our education system has become. The problem is where do you start? The cost of this war. . .it's bleeding us dry. . .and that's how "they" get away with it. . .Many of us are just to busy fighting the day to day effects of living at the mercy of a handful of "corporations". . .but I am fed up and I am protesting just about every time I open my mouth. But it's not enough, and I know it. I'm struggling to disentangle myself from corporate rule; I vote, write and call my reps; and read and post on Alternet. . .pitiful.

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