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The War on Drugs Is Really a War on Minorities
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While all the major candidates are vying for the black and Latino vote, they are completely ignoring one of the most pressing issues affecting those constituencies: the failed "war on drugs" -- a war that has morphed into a war on people of color.
Consider this: According to a 2006 report by the American Civil Liberties Union, African Americans make up an estimated 15% of drug users, but they account for 37% of those arrested on drug charges, 59% of those convicted and 74% of all drug offenders sentenced to prison. Or consider this: The U.S. has 260,000 people in state prisons on nonviolent drug charges; 183,200 (more than 70%) of them are black or Latino.
Such facts have been bandied about for years. But our politicians have consistently failed to take action on what has become yet another third rail of American politics, a subject to be avoided at all costs by elected officials who fear being incinerated on contact for being soft on crime.
Perhaps you hoped this would change during a spirited Democratic presidential primary? Unfortunately, a quick search of the top Democratic hopefuls' websites reveals that not one of them -- not Hillary Clinton, not Barack Obama, not John Edwards, not Joe Biden, not Chris Dodd, not Bill Richardson -- even mentions the drug war, let alone offers any solutions.
The silence coming from Clinton and Obama is particularly deafening.
Obama has written eloquently about his own struggle with drugs but has not addressed the tragic effect the war on drugs is having on African American communities.
As for Clinton, she flew into Selma, Ala., to reinforce her image as the wife of the black community's most beloved politician and has made much of her plan to attract female voters, but she has ignored the suffering of poor, black women right in her own backyard.
Located down the road from her Chappaqua, N.Y., home are two prisons housing female inmates, Taconic and Bedford. Forty-eight percent of the women in Taconic are there for nonviolent drug offenses; 78% of those in the prison are African American or Latino.
And Bedford, the state's only maximum-security prison for women, is home to some of the worst victims of New York's draconian Rockefeller-era drug laws -- mothers and grandmothers whose first brush with the law resulted in their being locked away for 15 years or more on nonviolent drug charges.
Yet even though these prisons are so nearby, Clinton has turned a blind eye to the plight of the women locked away there, notably refusing to speak out on their behalf.
Avoidance of this issue comes at a very stiff price (and not just the more than $50 billion a year we're spending on the failed drug war). The toll is paid in shattered families, devastated inner cities and wasted lives (with no apologies for using that term).
During the 10 years I've been writing about the injustice of the drug war, I've repeatedly watched as politicians paid lip service to the problem but then ducked as the sickening status quo claimed more victims. In California, of the 171,000 inmates jamming the state's wildly overcrowded prisons, 36,000 are nonviolent drug offenders.
I remember in 1999 asking Dan Bartlett, then the campaign spokesman for candidate George W. Bush, about Bush's position on the outrageous disparity between the sentences meted out for possession of crack cocaine and those given for possession of powder cocaine -- a disparity that has helped fill U.S. prisons with black low-level drug users (80% of sentenced crack defendants are black). Federal sentencing guidelines dictate that judges impose the same five-year prison sentence for possession of five grams of crack or 500 grams of powder cocaine.
"The different sentencing for crack cocaine and powder cocaine is something that there's no doubt needs to be addressed," Bartlett told me. But in the more than six years since Bush and Bartlett moved into the White House, the problem has gone unaddressed. No doubt about it.
Maybe the president will suddenly wake up and decide to take on the issue five days before he leaves office. That's what Bill Clinton did, writing a 2001 New York Times Op-Ed article in which he trumpeted the need to "immediately reduce the disparity between crack and powder cocaine sentences" -- conveniently ignoring the fact that he had the power to solve it for eight years and did nothing.
When it mattered, he maintained an imperial silence. Then, when it didn't, he became Captain Courageous. And he lamented the failures of our drug policy as though he had been an innocent bystander rather than the chief executive (indeed, the prison population doubled on his watch).
The injustice is so egregious that a conservative senator, Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), is now leading the charge in Congress to ease crack sentences. "I believe that as a matter of law enforcement and good public policy, crack cocaine sentences are too heavy and can't be justified," he said. "People don't want us to be soft on crime, but I think we ought to make the law more rational."
There's a talking point Hillary and Obama should adopt. It's both the right thing and the smart thing. Because of disenfranchisement statutes, large numbers of black men who were convicted of drug crimes are ineligible to vote, even those who have fully paid their debt to society.
A 2000 study found that 1.4 million African American men -- 13% of the total black male population -- were unable to vote in the 2000 election because of state laws barring felons access to the polls. In Florida, one in three black men is permanently disqualified from voting. Think that might have made a difference in the 2000 race? Our shortsighted drug laws have become the 21st century manifestation of Jim Crow.
Shouldn't this be an issue Democratic presidential candidates deem worthy of their attention?
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Posted by: Colton on Mar 27, 2007 12:31 AM
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Posted by: thinkverybig on Mar 27, 2007 12:41 AM
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Our judicial system is RACIST.... Our political System is RACIST and so on.... This country won't be all it can be until white folks are OUT OF POWER................. Plain and Simple.
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Posted by: lessbread on Mar 27, 2007 2:06 AM
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The White House lived by the principles of the southern strategy, and Dent's office had its own lingo. There were issues that mattered to "our" people, and those that mattered to "their" people. "Their" people were what the White House called "the young, the poor, and the black." The phrase rolled off the tongue like one word: theyoungthepoorandtheblack. The young were the longhaired student antiwar types for whom the president had open and legendary contempt; the poor and the black were leftover concerns from the Great Society.
Brownell daily read a dozen newspapers from around the country and clipped stories that played on those themes. He looked for stories about badly managed social programs, watched for currents of localized resentment, combed the columns for colorful quotes and juicy anecdotes the presidential speechwriters might use. He particularly kept an eye out for drug stories. Drugs were one thing the young, the poor, and the black all seemed to have in common.
Despite Nixon's assertion to the preelection Disneyland crowd that drugs were "decimating a generation of Americans," drugs were so tiny a public health problem that they were statistically insignificant: far more Americans choked to death on food or died falling down stairs as died from illegal drugs.
So Brownell was delighted that the media were inflating the story by melding the tiny "hard drug" herein threat with the widespread "soft drug".marijuana craze. Marijuana, Brownell knew, was a perfect focus for the anger against the antiwar counterculture that Nixon shared with "his people." Brownell dug out a-recent clip from Newsweek: "Whether picketing on campus or parading barefoot in hippie regalia, the younger generation seems to be telling [the middle-class American] that his way of life is corrupt, his goals worthless and his treasured institutions doomed. Logically enough, a good many middle-class-citizens tend to-resent the message."in an article Brownell might have penned himself, Newsweek identified the targets of that middle-class resentment this way: "The incendiary black militant and the welfare mother, the hedonistic hippie and the campus revolutionary." The young, the poor, and the black. Nixon couldn't make it illegal to be young, poor, or black, but he could crack down hard on the illegal drug identified with the counterculture.
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Mar 27, 2007 4:50 AM
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GOTTA KEEP THE PSEUDO-LEFT FOCUS ON RACE!
GOTTA KEEP THE PSEUDO-LEFT FOCUS ON RACE!
Now that the pseudoLeft has created a generation white-hating political warriors like the type who are democratic activists, alternet posters, etc, and now that the pseudoLeft has poisoned the well of Leftism as far as lower middle class whites are concerned, now the rich people can just kick back and let their pseudoLeft snowball momentum do the work.
As long as the rich folks can tie every worthwhile political idea (like ending the drug war) to RACE or Gender or Identity Politics (or any other identifiable pseudoLeft idea), then they have nothing to worry about, because that worthwhile political idea will go NOWHERE with white lower middle class america! Why? Because the pseudoLeft has already poisoned the well of leftism as far as the largest voting segment of americans are concerned. ANYTHING the PseudoLeft is associated with becomes ANATHEMA to a huge portion of lower middle class whites. Why? Because the Pseudoleft (such as alternet and its posters) have already demonized and attacked whites and in particular white males for so long that by now ANYTHING the pseudoLeft promotes is automatically rejected by most lower middle class whites -- just because the PseudoLeft switched the villain from the rich person to the white male, and in particular the lower middle class white male, i.e., the "redneck".
So do you pseudolefties really wanna end the drug war? OK, then STOP talking about ending it. Do not have anything to do with ending the drug war. Stop the anti-drug war propaganda. Because anything you touch will not find favor with lower middle class whites. Do not talk about ending the the drug war. Do not talk about the need for single payer healthcare. Do not talk about raising taxes on the upper class. Do not talk about the need for an indexed minimum wage starting at 10 dollars. Do not talk about minimum 5 weeks annual vacation.
Because america desperately needs all those things. And because of that, YOU pseudoLefties should stay far away from these ideas, because your touch is the touch of death for any good idea. Because you have already poisoned the well.
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» to further the analogy
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» "But in reality, the drug war hurts the white lower middle class majority the most. " HOW??
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Posted by: RON_KING on Mar 27, 2007 5:00 AM
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It is time to end this prohibition and stop funding the smugglers and the DEA.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 27, 2007 5:18 AM
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Add this to the willful (I believe criminal) "pushing" of licit psychotropic drugs by the drug companies onto the middle and upper classes including the rich and it compounds the immorality of this story.
(AnnnaNicole had NINE drugs in her body as per autopsy)
The presidential candidates should answer your good questions soon
Dr. Rick Lippin
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» RE: Perhaps blacks and hispanics should be a little smarter...OUCH!!
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Posted by: volscho on Mar 27, 2007 6:12 AM
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Irony. Civil Rights movement legally desegregated American society and guaranteed right to vote for African-Americans. The irony is that the massive incarceration of African-American men strips away the voting rights and other civil and human rights of a large fraction of this population. It is racial oppression.
Other dimensions: Militarization of domestic police force, cross-pollination of ideas, people, strategies, tactics, even weapons between U.S. armed forces and domestic police officers. The term "peace officer" seems quite foreign. Before the late 1960s, SWAT teams were unheard of. Community policing of ethnic groups in their own neighborhoods very common. (White glove officer, sometimes without a firearm) Impoverished neighborhoods (ghetto, slums, barrios) are now patrolled in military-like fashion by police commando units to "keep order" (all the while "white" kids in the suburbs use cocaine).
Other dimensions of social control: Sterilization of poor African-American, Latino, and Native American women (tubal litigation, norplant, depo provera injections) without woman's approval or making the women sign paperwork to "consent" while in labor. This is a form of Race Population Control.
These are some of the dimensions of how racism operates in the United States.
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» roots go deeper. google "Harry Anslinger" nm
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Mar 27, 2007 6:17 AM
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There are a few things you did not question though. The drug war is as much class warfare as it is racist. And another thing you failed to mention is that alot of latinos refuse to feed the system like whites by paying fines. It's a form of civil disobediance I find admirable. I spent some time in jail with a couple of mexican immigrants that would rather spend 60 or 90 days than pay a $100-200 fine for open container violations. Those guys did not know anything about Thoreau but acted with his zeal.
It's also funny that Sessions would make such a rational statement. Maybe there is some real hope for alabama.
Someone posted a link about the war on drugs recently that had a very important aspect about it all. The war on drugs leads to a disdain for the law thus making people more likely to break other laws. That hurts everybody more than the ill effects of drugs on some people. The war on drugs just brings more misery for everybody but a few cruel and heartless people.
If the american public had not accepted the unconstitutionality of the war on drugs, do you think they ever would have accepted the war on terror? It's terribly sad too many of us don't care or don't even understand the ideals in the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. To me the war on drugs seems so unamerican, but that's because I believe in the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.
For over twenty years I've thought about how much nazi germany would have loved amerikas drug laws. Inform on your friend, your neighbor, your family. Distrust and fear will rule. Look at our modern day gestapo, who are they? They are the heavily armed stormtroopers called drug enforcement units. Is this freedom or is it oppression?
"“One has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
Martin Luther King Jr.
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Posted by: picket on Mar 27, 2007 6:24 AM
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I read a couple months ago that Congress was expected to revisit sentencing laws. The disparity unfairly singles out largely the poor. 5 grams of crack =5 years....and 400grams of cocaine=5years.
I hate myself for watching COPS TV show but .......amazing to see the huge undercover pony-tailed detective crawl into a sewer to retrieve a small white pebble of a substance and act like he has saved the world.
2004 election everybody said Kerry understood .....JUST WAIT until he is elected...don't ask..DO NOT put him on the spot. Well this time ASK ALL CANDIDATES and soon. Do not waste my time.
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Posted by: mrtshw on Mar 27, 2007 6:51 AM
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As a psychotherapist and social activist for the past 40 years, my perspective has been defined by my work with countless 'crack heads', 'pot heads', and even more prescription drug addicts; especially those addicted to pschoactive drugs.
The reason the illicit addicts are subject to criminalization is because that's where the money is..... the money that pays for our grotesquely corrupt corrections industry; that pays the " unreported/untaxed " income ' supplements' of our grotesquely corrupt criminal justice system and that pads the 'cash flow' of our grotesquely corrupt political system from neighborhood ward captains to the " pillars " of our Corporatocracy.
The War on Drugs has also proved very helpful as an ' underground ' funding resource for the US 'closet' government's CIA murders, genocides, Carlyle Group arms trades, House of Saud oil scams, Henry Kissinger secret alliances, APAIC-Sponsored/ Lieberman-Zionist maneuvers to murder innocent Palestians, Egyptians, Iranians. Lebonese,Syrians,Jordanians,etc., South American coups.
Finally, the GOP elephant in the room not often mentioned is the vital role the War on Drugs has played in distracting us
" American Idols " idolaters from the currently approved addictions: alcohol, tobacco, Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Oxycontin, Demoral, Sugary/Transfat laden Junk Food,Heterosexual Kinkiness if a Democrat, Gay Porno Sex if a homophobic Republican, Missionary Sex with the lights off if a straight Republican.
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Is it poor folks or colored folks who are arrested. I am reminded of a statistical study I read just last week that inferred that given like circumstance color in a non-defining characteristic in judging who may or who has committed crime. (except for murder, which actually can fit into the paradigm if you remove Crack related murders).
I for one would really like to see a statistical study done that used economic benchmarks, instead of skin color benchmarks, to determine which drug users go to jail and which ones do not.
Call me a socialist, and let me paraphrase, Its about capatalism stupid.
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Posted by: efficacy on Mar 27, 2007 8:47 AM
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"If one does not understand racism, classism, white privilege, terrorism, and the war on drugs--what these terms mean--how these concepts work, then everything else you do understand will only confuse you"
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Posted by: dfw_jr on Mar 27, 2007 9:00 AM
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Cheap labor is the primary goal. The American Civil War wasn't so much about freeing the slaves, it was primarily about money and saving the Union. If the South was allowed to secede from the Union political and economic chaos would have ensued resulting in the destruction of the republic.
The emotionally charged "wedge issues" that tyrants have been spewing from the beginning of history are tactics for dividing and conquering the masses. These issues misdirect by keeping everyone at each others throat. While the real issue behind the economic rape of the people is thereby obfiscated. The more destitute the people are, the greater the political oppression. If you can teach one group of serfs to blame another group of serfs for their squalid lives they wont rebel against their real oppressor their own despotic ruler(s).
America's home grown despots are truly the all time masters of distraction.
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Posted by: kathat on Mar 27, 2007 9:18 AM
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Although I haven't had a ticket in years I took my son to traffic court and guess what the entire courtroom was full of blacks and hispanics!! Not one other white person except my son, who guess what? drives a beater. I turned to my son and said 'apparentley the white people in this town are very very good drivers'!
I'm just saying if the profiling goes on for traffic stops, then it goes on for everything.
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Posted by: Gerald on Mar 27, 2007 9:46 AM
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Any Democrat who dared to address the implicant racism of the drug war would lose votes among the whites AND the African American voters. It's a "It's a lose/lose proposition".
BTW Obama did not write that he "struggled with drugs"; he tried them, he used and moved on. He's had more trouble quiting tobacco than he did weed and any other illegal he may have tried.
Keep up the good work.
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Posted by: leedavis546@msn.com on Mar 27, 2007 10:15 AM
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Posted by: ateo on Mar 27, 2007 10:31 AM
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I'm a white male and I've never been arrested on drug charges. Guess what, I've never used drugs - go figure. At some point you have to grow up and realize that the law is the law whether you like it or not. If you dislike a law attempt to have it changed through the democratic process.
I suppose the reality is we have a large segment of the population that chooses to live a semi-anarchist life style then gripes about the consequences. There is no sense of civic responsibility in the U.S. today. Everyone wants to be able to do whatever they want with absolutely no consequences. I guess this sounds very idealistic and preachy so let me change my tune for a bit.
I try to treat people fairly in my life. I'm not an elite policy maker or corporate overlord, I'm just a normal guy. When the reaction is people blaming me for THEIR problems, problems I have nothing to do with, it's like you're spitting in my face. Why has the republican party become the party of the poor white man? Because the leftists have demonized them and their general existence to the point where they would rather be poor and alive than vote for a group that would, judging by some of the comments here, either oppress or kill them.
So in closing. Many of you are too radical, too angry, too focused on playing the race card as an excuse for your problems, and it does nothing but divide the country along racial boundaries and stifle any legitimate political discourse.
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Posted by: freethink7 on Mar 27, 2007 12:21 PM
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When are you going to run an article about U.S. + CIA being biggest gun runners and drug runners not only in the entire world, but right here at home? U.S. + CIA run illegal guns and drugs into the minority and poorest areas of inner cities. Why would they do such a nefarious and evil thing? Possibly any number of despicable reasons: Dissolution of social fabric of the inner city, intentional destruction of minority cultures in U.S., enormous profits, et al.
If you want to do an article about intersection of drugs and minorities, start with the SOURCE (where the drugs/guns originate) of this problem which is our own treasonous/evil government.
Please run an article on this very important issue.
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http://www.finalcall.com/features/cia-dope.html
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_2625.shtml
google: CIA, Guns, Drugs, U.S. Inner City
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According to the federal Household Survey, "most current illicit drug users are white. There were an estimated 9.9 million whites (72 percent of all users), 2.0 million blacks (15 percent), and 1.4 million Hispanics (10 percent) who were current illicit drug users in 1998." And yet, blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations and over 42% of those in federal prisons for drug violations. African-Americans comprise almost 57% of those in state prisons for drug felonies; Hispanics account for 17.2%.
We (white people who are middle and upper class) would be horrified to see the college-aged children of our friends and neighbors carted off to jail to do 15 to 25 years for a first time offence, but this happens all the time in minority and in poor white neighorhoods. We need to realize that huge amounts of drug use is occuring in our pristine suburbs and that it is the height of hypocrisy to criticize the illegal-drug use of of miniorites and poor whites while we (white and wealthy) are living in a bubble of protection where these assinine laws don't affect our lives much at all.
If your kids are in an elite private school, you can be almost certain that they are scoring drugs with the allowance you gave them. Growing up, I was shocked at how much drug use went on in these elite environments--much more casual drug-use than in the poor, minority neighborhood I grew up in.
I would recommend giving your privileged teenager random drug tests.
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Dennis Kucinich is one Democratic candidate who takes a different view of the failed war on drugs.
DK is also the candidate who might get a lot of Greens to vote for a Democrat in 2008 if the powerz that bez did not already declare him a non-starter.
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The so-called war on drugs was never sincere. Much of the money used for this campaign (according to one of Noam Chomsky's recent books) is actually used to poison South American peasants and indigenous communities with aerial spraying, not to wipe out drug plantations per say, but simply to drive these people from their lands, so these can be taken over by corrupt elites, corporations, etc. The land may be planted again with cocaine plants, but to the benefit of someone else, not the original inhabitants.
A pretty wretched business in which governments (and not just the U.S.) are involved up to their eyeballs.
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Sure, divert non-violent folks to treatment, but we gotta fund treatment more strongly and we need to continue to look for better treatment models using scientific research. Faith based systems can work, sure, but they work mainly because they psyche the addict into thinking that a supernatural being is making them well. That works ok for some, but not for others, and it takes the accountability away from the recovering person.
Sure, I have great empathy for the addict, and I do believe it is a disease of sorts, but when addicts do bad things (and there are undoubtedly a lot of violent and very offeensive breakers of the law in jail who may not have had drugs on them but who did it because of their addictions.
We need to address dysfunctionality in families, we need to have early intervention into dysfunction young folks. It isn't an easy thing with an easy solution.
Yes, too many minority addicts are in jail, people who need treatment. Of course, sometimes incarceration can provide the necessary "bottom" to get someone to try to change, but I think we need to try to do something more humanely than throwing folks into terribly difficult prison situations. That may work for some, but not for others. There is no panacea for addition. It is a tough nut to crack.
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Racist garbage like this needs to be stopped. Drugs effect every community. I am tired of whites getting blamed for something that is destroying every ethnic community in America.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 28, 2007 12:35 PM
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While she may not be the norm, data demonstrates that many U.S. Citizens (perhaps most) take too many OTC and prescibed medications.
Big PhRMA is salivating at the 77 million U.S. baby boomers whom they hope will medicate themselves to excess over the next 30 years or so.
Like other wars we have focused on the wrong enemy in the so called war on drugs.
I personally won't sleep well until the "legal" drug pushers (Big PhRMA) are indicted, found guilty an go to jail
Nominations from the floor accepted.
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This issue of criminalizing marijuana is 3-fold.
1. Jail black and mexican men to keep them out of white women's panties.
2. Certain industries benefited when hemp was outlawed, the stalk of the marijuana plants.
3. Fear, stalling change and social control over the populace as a whole.
Those of you who say talking about race pushes people away who are anti-racism. You are being silly. Race is an issue and that may make it difficult for you to look into the past and present but you need to toughen up. Acting like it doesn't or never existed is the equivalent of covering your eyes and thinking you are now invisible to all. All is not fair and being an adult is tough some times.
The real deal is they were able to get marijuana criminalized by portraying the black man as becoming uncontrollable when he smokes it. THIS IS A FACT. They used fear of black MEN to make illegal what had been legal all along.
What I find reprehensible is how many local communities want to decriminalize smoking pot for users but leave those who sell it to them out in the cold. What hypocrisy.
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Posted by: Lesha on Mar 29, 2007 11:38 AM
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Drugs in the black communities can serve several purposes:
1. It is one of many tools that can be use to keep the black community in some form of dis-array.
2. It keeps law enforcement officers employed along with funding so-called drug intervention programs that are not designed to cure but rather pacify and cultivate the problem. Without a need for law enforcement type jobs wither they be Detectives, cops etc, the economy would be effected not to mention the jobs that would be lost.
This is why the 1992 peace treaty was a major threat to the elite because if you have peace in the black community, then one would see where all of the trouble is coming from: The ruling white elite.
3. By drugs being promoted as a inner city (black community) problem, this helps in raising the image and value of the white community. When one thinks of a crack head they think of black people, but on the other hand when you have a drug problem in the white community this is referred to as kids being kids. The following helps demonize one people (black) while elevating the image of other people (white). When the topic of drugs shifts to the white community you usually hear terms like troubled teens or some term that doesn't make it sound that bad.
Although drugs affect people from all walks of life, it is important as far as the media in concerned that it be promoted as a black problem by using terms or code words like inner city, war on drugs, crack, narcotics and other terms that don't necessarily describe a particular race but would make one think of a certain race (blacks) when these terms are used. When these terms are used, one would not think of white kids from the suburbs but rather someone who is dark and menacing (these are called race code words). This is why it is important in the realm of white supremacy (elite whites) to focus their so-called enforcement on the black community so that the jail system would reflect a black image when one thinks of a drug dealer or criminal. This deception has occurred despite the fact that white neighborhoods is where the drug industry makes the bulk of its money and that whites are the ones who can afford the most expensive and highest quality and quantity of drugs. Rest assure that the drug industry did come here to make a profit off of black people who barely have enough to live day by day.
The main theme here is that as long as drugs can be promoted as a black problem along with criminalizing that community, this means that the white community will continue to have more value and respect in the form of deceiving the world into believing the drug problem in America comes from the black community.
One must remember that white supremacy is not as it was in the early days of this country, its more sophisticated and is hidden in many forms such as code words to trick people.
Tricks and lies is the name of the game.
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Posted by: Henrick on Apr 2, 2007 8:29 PM
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here in Latin America (I'm from Chile) the great model for our own "drug war" is the wise DEA-FBI recipes. You should see all those "progressive" people talking this "martial" hymns against drugs.
In Latin America there is an old permanent culture abour drugs. Drug business and drug business culture (an important point to consider and analize) exist because they were created and developed by drug producers from USA, Mexico and Colombia, that had USA as their principal market.
And what's more: it seems there has been a very consequent politics (principally made up by CIA) of drug-dealing in Europe after WWII (Italy, for sure), Southeast Asia (60-70s) and Latin America (remember Noriega?). Maybe there is a connection with an accusation the past year made the former chief of the 1st chilean secret police under Pinochet regime, Manuel Contreras -who, you know, was the coordinator of Condor Operation, that was evidently known and backed-up by CIA-, about cocaine PROCESSING in chilean military quarters, managed by Marco Antonio Pinochet -son of Augusto (I can say that in the region I live there's a common saying that M. A. Pinochet INTRODUCED the massive offer of cocaine in Valparaiso y Viña del Mar, the most important touristical places of Chile) and with the professional aide of the chemist Eugenio Berríos (quite a dark character, I recommend you google him: the last thing to know was that he poisoned with nerve gas our former president Eduardo Frei Montalva as he was in a hospital).
Keep on,
our problems are not so different from the ones you have.
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» I'm white, I don't drink. I smoke weed.
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» RE: It's RACISM!
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» Get off the phone, you idiot!!
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» RE: Marijuana harmful?
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Posted by: Colton on Mar 27, 2007 12:31 AM
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/sarcasm off
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» 75% unemployment rate...
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Posted by: thinkverybig on Mar 27, 2007 12:41 AM
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Our judicial system is RACIST.... Our political System is RACIST and so on.... This country won't be all it can be until white folks are OUT OF POWER................. Plain and Simple.
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» Uncle Tom Stawman
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» What's wrong with you man?
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» RE: ACISM in America continues
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» Keep your "white people have a lot to feel guilty about" sentiments to yourself
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» Idiotic response
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» Not really
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» Absolutely
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» RACISM in America continues
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» RE: YOU are the racist
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» RE: Jealous of what?
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» I am only jealous of one thing
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» RE: I am only jealous of one thing... Not to Worry..ISlammedItGOOOD!!!!
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» White American is envious of the Black Man? Dream on.
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» RE: White American is envious of the Black Man? Dream on...lick,slurp,fawn,grovel..lick,slurp
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» RE: White American is envious of the Black Man? Dream on. See above and...
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Posted by: lessbread on Mar 27, 2007 2:06 AM
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The White House lived by the principles of the southern strategy, and Dent's office had its own lingo. There were issues that mattered to "our" people, and those that mattered to "their" people. "Their" people were what the White House called "the young, the poor, and the black." The phrase rolled off the tongue like one word: theyoungthepoorandtheblack. The young were the longhaired student antiwar types for whom the president had open and legendary contempt; the poor and the black were leftover concerns from the Great Society.
Brownell daily read a dozen newspapers from around the country and clipped stories that played on those themes. He looked for stories about badly managed social programs, watched for currents of localized resentment, combed the columns for colorful quotes and juicy anecdotes the presidential speechwriters might use. He particularly kept an eye out for drug stories. Drugs were one thing the young, the poor, and the black all seemed to have in common.
Despite Nixon's assertion to the preelection Disneyland crowd that drugs were "decimating a generation of Americans," drugs were so tiny a public health problem that they were statistically insignificant: far more Americans choked to death on food or died falling down stairs as died from illegal drugs.
So Brownell was delighted that the media were inflating the story by melding the tiny "hard drug" herein threat with the widespread "soft drug".marijuana craze. Marijuana, Brownell knew, was a perfect focus for the anger against the antiwar counterculture that Nixon shared with "his people." Brownell dug out a-recent clip from Newsweek: "Whether picketing on campus or parading barefoot in hippie regalia, the younger generation seems to be telling [the middle-class American] that his way of life is corrupt, his goals worthless and his treasured institutions doomed. Logically enough, a good many middle-class-citizens tend to-resent the message."in an article Brownell might have penned himself, Newsweek identified the targets of that middle-class resentment this way: "The incendiary black militant and the welfare mother, the hedonistic hippie and the campus revolutionary." The young, the poor, and the black. Nixon couldn't make it illegal to be young, poor, or black, but he could crack down hard on the illegal drug identified with the counterculture.
Tobacco and alcohol 'are more dangerous than LSD'
Alcohol worse than ecstasy on shock new drug list
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Mar 27, 2007 4:50 AM
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GOTTA KEEP THE PSEUDO-LEFT FOCUS ON RACE!
GOTTA KEEP THE PSEUDO-LEFT FOCUS ON RACE!
Now that the pseudoLeft has created a generation white-hating political warriors like the type who are democratic activists, alternet posters, etc, and now that the pseudoLeft has poisoned the well of Leftism as far as lower middle class whites are concerned, now the rich people can just kick back and let their pseudoLeft snowball momentum do the work.
As long as the rich folks can tie every worthwhile political idea (like ending the drug war) to RACE or Gender or Identity Politics (or any other identifiable pseudoLeft idea), then they have nothing to worry about, because that worthwhile political idea will go NOWHERE with white lower middle class america! Why? Because the pseudoLeft has already poisoned the well of leftism as far as the largest voting segment of americans are concerned. ANYTHING the PseudoLeft is associated with becomes ANATHEMA to a huge portion of lower middle class whites. Why? Because the Pseudoleft (such as alternet and its posters) have already demonized and attacked whites and in particular white males for so long that by now ANYTHING the pseudoLeft promotes is automatically rejected by most lower middle class whites -- just because the PseudoLeft switched the villain from the rich person to the white male, and in particular the lower middle class white male, i.e., the "redneck".
So do you pseudolefties really wanna end the drug war? OK, then STOP talking about ending it. Do not have anything to do with ending the drug war. Stop the anti-drug war propaganda. Because anything you touch will not find favor with lower middle class whites. Do not talk about ending the the drug war. Do not talk about the need for single payer healthcare. Do not talk about raising taxes on the upper class. Do not talk about the need for an indexed minimum wage starting at 10 dollars. Do not talk about minimum 5 weeks annual vacation.
Because america desperately needs all those things. And because of that, YOU pseudoLefties should stay far away from these ideas, because your touch is the touch of death for any good idea. Because you have already poisoned the well.
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» this tactic is already being used here in houston to fight municipal wireless
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» to further the analogy
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» "But in reality, the drug war hurts the white lower middle class majority the most. " HOW??
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» RE: this tactic is already being used here in houston to fight municipal wireless
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» RE: ACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE 24-7 24-7 24-7!!!
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» wouldn't worry about it, Pingoo. He is just a troll. nm
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» I've had about enough out of you . . .
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» Cry-o-troll's credo--Doesn't happen to straight white males? Doesn't count! (NT)
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» Except that this shit doesn't happen.
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» Right tool for the right job. I notice, however...
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» RE: This guy has a good point, focus your hatred on me and I cease to care
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Posted by: gellero on Mar 27, 2007 4:54 AM
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Posted by: RON_KING on Mar 27, 2007 5:00 AM
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It is time to end this prohibition and stop funding the smugglers and the DEA.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 27, 2007 5:18 AM
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Add this to the willful (I believe criminal) "pushing" of licit psychotropic drugs by the drug companies onto the middle and upper classes including the rich and it compounds the immorality of this story.
(AnnnaNicole had NINE drugs in her body as per autopsy)
The presidential candidates should answer your good questions soon
Dr. Rick Lippin
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» RE: Perhaps blacks and hispanics should be a little smarter...OUCH!!
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» Flightless Eagle
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» So you have to sneak around like the french resistance in Vichy France
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» i smoke at home, in the car (sometimes), on the beach...
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Posted by: volscho on Mar 27, 2007 6:12 AM
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Irony. Civil Rights movement legally desegregated American society and guaranteed right to vote for African-Americans. The irony is that the massive incarceration of African-American men strips away the voting rights and other civil and human rights of a large fraction of this population. It is racial oppression.
Other dimensions: Militarization of domestic police force, cross-pollination of ideas, people, strategies, tactics, even weapons between U.S. armed forces and domestic police officers. The term "peace officer" seems quite foreign. Before the late 1960s, SWAT teams were unheard of. Community policing of ethnic groups in their own neighborhoods very common. (White glove officer, sometimes without a firearm) Impoverished neighborhoods (ghetto, slums, barrios) are now patrolled in military-like fashion by police commando units to "keep order" (all the while "white" kids in the suburbs use cocaine).
Other dimensions of social control: Sterilization of poor African-American, Latino, and Native American women (tubal litigation, norplant, depo provera injections) without woman's approval or making the women sign paperwork to "consent" while in labor. This is a form of Race Population Control.
These are some of the dimensions of how racism operates in the United States.
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» roots go deeper. google "Harry Anslinger" nm
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Mar 27, 2007 6:17 AM
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There are a few things you did not question though. The drug war is as much class warfare as it is racist. And another thing you failed to mention is that alot of latinos refuse to feed the system like whites by paying fines. It's a form of civil disobediance I find admirable. I spent some time in jail with a couple of mexican immigrants that would rather spend 60 or 90 days than pay a $100-200 fine for open container violations. Those guys did not know anything about Thoreau but acted with his zeal.
It's also funny that Sessions would make such a rational statement. Maybe there is some real hope for alabama.
Someone posted a link about the war on drugs recently that had a very important aspect about it all. The war on drugs leads to a disdain for the law thus making people more likely to break other laws. That hurts everybody more than the ill effects of drugs on some people. The war on drugs just brings more misery for everybody but a few cruel and heartless people.
If the american public had not accepted the unconstitutionality of the war on drugs, do you think they ever would have accepted the war on terror? It's terribly sad too many of us don't care or don't even understand the ideals in the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. To me the war on drugs seems so unamerican, but that's because I believe in the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.
For over twenty years I've thought about how much nazi germany would have loved amerikas drug laws. Inform on your friend, your neighbor, your family. Distrust and fear will rule. Look at our modern day gestapo, who are they? They are the heavily armed stormtroopers called drug enforcement units. Is this freedom or is it oppression?
"“One has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
Martin Luther King Jr.
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» When did you last read the Constitution?
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» Once again you demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about.
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» RE: You just make sh*t up as you go along...
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» And you just make sh*t
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Posted by: picket on Mar 27, 2007 6:24 AM
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I read a couple months ago that Congress was expected to revisit sentencing laws. The disparity unfairly singles out largely the poor. 5 grams of crack =5 years....and 400grams of cocaine=5years.
I hate myself for watching COPS TV show but .......amazing to see the huge undercover pony-tailed detective crawl into a sewer to retrieve a small white pebble of a substance and act like he has saved the world.
2004 election everybody said Kerry understood .....JUST WAIT until he is elected...don't ask..DO NOT put him on the spot. Well this time ASK ALL CANDIDATES and soon. Do not waste my time.
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Posted by: schnoggi on Mar 27, 2007 6:24 AM
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Posted by: mrtshw on Mar 27, 2007 6:51 AM
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As a psychotherapist and social activist for the past 40 years, my perspective has been defined by my work with countless 'crack heads', 'pot heads', and even more prescription drug addicts; especially those addicted to pschoactive drugs.
The reason the illicit addicts are subject to criminalization is because that's where the money is..... the money that pays for our grotesquely corrupt corrections industry; that pays the " unreported/untaxed " income ' supplements' of our grotesquely corrupt criminal justice system and that pads the 'cash flow' of our grotesquely corrupt political system from neighborhood ward captains to the " pillars " of our Corporatocracy.
The War on Drugs has also proved very helpful as an ' underground ' funding resource for the US 'closet' government's CIA murders, genocides, Carlyle Group arms trades, House of Saud oil scams, Henry Kissinger secret alliances, APAIC-Sponsored/ Lieberman-Zionist maneuvers to murder innocent Palestians, Egyptians, Iranians. Lebonese,Syrians,Jordanians,etc., South American coups.
Finally, the GOP elephant in the room not often mentioned is the vital role the War on Drugs has played in distracting us
" American Idols " idolaters from the currently approved addictions: alcohol, tobacco, Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Oxycontin, Demoral, Sugary/Transfat laden Junk Food,Heterosexual Kinkiness if a Democrat, Gay Porno Sex if a homophobic Republican, Missionary Sex with the lights off if a straight Republican.
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Posted by: eosrk on Mar 27, 2007 6:59 AM
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 27, 2007 7:25 AM
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Posted by: DJFedder on Mar 27, 2007 8:05 AM
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Is it poor folks or colored folks who are arrested. I am reminded of a statistical study I read just last week that inferred that given like circumstance color in a non-defining characteristic in judging who may or who has committed crime. (except for murder, which actually can fit into the paradigm if you remove Crack related murders).
I for one would really like to see a statistical study done that used economic benchmarks, instead of skin color benchmarks, to determine which drug users go to jail and which ones do not.
Call me a socialist, and let me paraphrase, Its about capatalism stupid.
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» One example, off the bat
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» Armed militias, huh?
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Posted by: efficacy on Mar 27, 2007 8:47 AM
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"If one does not understand racism, classism, white privilege, terrorism, and the war on drugs--what these terms mean--how these concepts work, then everything else you do understand will only confuse you"
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» And many of those most harmed by it clamor for the drug war most of all.
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Posted by: dfw_jr on Mar 27, 2007 9:00 AM
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Cheap labor is the primary goal. The American Civil War wasn't so much about freeing the slaves, it was primarily about money and saving the Union. If the South was allowed to secede from the Union political and economic chaos would have ensued resulting in the destruction of the republic.
The emotionally charged "wedge issues" that tyrants have been spewing from the beginning of history are tactics for dividing and conquering the masses. These issues misdirect by keeping everyone at each others throat. While the real issue behind the economic rape of the people is thereby obfiscated. The more destitute the people are, the greater the political oppression. If you can teach one group of serfs to blame another group of serfs for their squalid lives they wont rebel against their real oppressor their own despotic ruler(s).
America's home grown despots are truly the all time masters of distraction.
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Posted by: kathat on Mar 27, 2007 9:18 AM
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Although I haven't had a ticket in years I took my son to traffic court and guess what the entire courtroom was full of blacks and hispanics!! Not one other white person except my son, who guess what? drives a beater. I turned to my son and said 'apparentley the white people in this town are very very good drivers'!
I'm just saying if the profiling goes on for traffic stops, then it goes on for everything.
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Posted by: Gerald on Mar 27, 2007 9:46 AM
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Any Democrat who dared to address the implicant racism of the drug war would lose votes among the whites AND the African American voters. It's a "It's a lose/lose proposition".
BTW Obama did not write that he "struggled with drugs"; he tried them, he used and moved on. He's had more trouble quiting tobacco than he did weed and any other illegal he may have tried.
Keep up the good work.
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Posted by: famouspipeliner on Mar 27, 2007 9:50 AM
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» RE: Breach of the social contract: No Way
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» So, Mr. Ateo
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» So these people are nothing but criminals to you
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» RE: Breach of the social contract How about the Nazi War criminals brought en masse to USA
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» "Let he who is without sin...." NM
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» Read lessbreads' link nm
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» ... a lot of Conservatives are crooks. [lol] -nm
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Posted by: leedavis546@msn.com on Mar 27, 2007 10:15 AM
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Posted by: ateo on Mar 27, 2007 10:31 AM
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I'm a white male and I've never been arrested on drug charges. Guess what, I've never used drugs - go figure. At some point you have to grow up and realize that the law is the law whether you like it or not. If you dislike a law attempt to have it changed through the democratic process.
I suppose the reality is we have a large segment of the population that chooses to live a semi-anarchist life style then gripes about the consequences. There is no sense of civic responsibility in the U.S. today. Everyone wants to be able to do whatever they want with absolutely no consequences. I guess this sounds very idealistic and preachy so let me change my tune for a bit.
I try to treat people fairly in my life. I'm not an elite policy maker or corporate overlord, I'm just a normal guy. When the reaction is people blaming me for THEIR problems, problems I have nothing to do with, it's like you're spitting in my face. Why has the republican party become the party of the poor white man? Because the leftists have demonized them and their general existence to the point where they would rather be poor and alive than vote for a group that would, judging by some of the comments here, either oppress or kill them.
So in closing. Many of you are too radical, too angry, too focused on playing the race card as an excuse for your problems, and it does nothing but divide the country along racial boundaries and stifle any legitimate political discourse.
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Posted by: freethink7 on Mar 27, 2007 12:21 PM
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When are you going to run an article about U.S. + CIA being biggest gun runners and drug runners not only in the entire world, but right here at home? U.S. + CIA run illegal guns and drugs into the minority and poorest areas of inner cities. Why would they do such a nefarious and evil thing? Possibly any number of despicable reasons: Dissolution of social fabric of the inner city, intentional destruction of minority cultures in U.S., enormous profits, et al.
If you want to do an article about intersection of drugs and minorities, start with the SOURCE (where the drugs/guns originate) of this problem which is our own treasonous/evil government.
Please run an article on this very important issue.
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http://www.finalcall.com/features/cia-dope.html
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_2625.shtml
google: CIA, Guns, Drugs, U.S. Inner City
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Posted by: sarahk on Mar 27, 2007 12:31 PM
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According to the federal Household Survey, "most current illicit drug users are white. There were an estimated 9.9 million whites (72 percent of all users), 2.0 million blacks (15 percent), and 1.4 million Hispanics (10 percent) who were current illicit drug users in 1998." And yet, blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations and over 42% of those in federal prisons for drug violations. African-Americans comprise almost 57% of those in state prisons for drug felonies; Hispanics account for 17.2%.
We (white people who are middle and upper class) would be horrified to see the college-aged children of our friends and neighbors carted off to jail to do 15 to 25 years for a first time offence, but this happens all the time in minority and in poor white neighorhoods. We need to realize that huge amounts of drug use is occuring in our pristine suburbs and that it is the height of hypocrisy to criticize the illegal-drug use of of miniorites and poor whites while we (white and wealthy) are living in a bubble of protection where these assinine laws don't affect our lives much at all.
If your kids are in an elite private school, you can be almost certain that they are scoring drugs with the allowance you gave them. Growing up, I was shocked at how much drug use went on in these elite environments--much more casual drug-use than in the poor, minority neighborhood I grew up in.
I would recommend giving your privileged teenager random drug tests.
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Posted by: hbw on Mar 27, 2007 1:28 PM
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Dennis Kucinich is one Democratic candidate who takes a different view of the failed war on drugs.
DK is also the candidate who might get a lot of Greens to vote for a Democrat in 2008 if the powerz that bez did not already declare him a non-starter.
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Posted by: Rod from Canada on Mar 27, 2007 2:55 PM
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The so-called war on drugs was never sincere. Much of the money used for this campaign (according to one of Noam Chomsky's recent books) is actually used to poison South American peasants and indigenous communities with aerial spraying, not to wipe out drug plantations per say, but simply to drive these people from their lands, so these can be taken over by corrupt elites, corporations, etc. The land may be planted again with cocaine plants, but to the benefit of someone else, not the original inhabitants.
A pretty wretched business in which governments (and not just the U.S.) are involved up to their eyeballs.
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Posted by: jmooney on Mar 27, 2007 4:57 PM
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Sure, divert non-violent folks to treatment, but we gotta fund treatment more strongly and we need to continue to look for better treatment models using scientific research. Faith based systems can work, sure, but they work mainly because they psyche the addict into thinking that a supernatural being is making them well. That works ok for some, but not for others, and it takes the accountability away from the recovering person.
Sure, I have great empathy for the addict, and I do believe it is a disease of sorts, but when addicts do bad things (and there are undoubtedly a lot of violent and very offeensive breakers of the law in jail who may not have had drugs on them but who did it because of their addictions.
We need to address dysfunctionality in families, we need to have early intervention into dysfunction young folks. It isn't an easy thing with an easy solution.
Yes, too many minority addicts are in jail, people who need treatment. Of course, sometimes incarceration can provide the necessary "bottom" to get someone to try to change, but I think we need to try to do something more humanely than throwing folks into terribly difficult prison situations. That may work for some, but not for others. There is no panacea for addition. It is a tough nut to crack.
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Posted by: TWilliams on Mar 27, 2007 9:40 PM
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Racist garbage like this needs to be stopped. Drugs effect every community. I am tired of whites getting blamed for something that is destroying every ethnic community in America.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 28, 2007 12:35 PM
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While she may not be the norm, data demonstrates that many U.S. Citizens (perhaps most) take too many OTC and prescibed medications.
Big PhRMA is salivating at the 77 million U.S. baby boomers whom they hope will medicate themselves to excess over the next 30 years or so.
Like other wars we have focused on the wrong enemy in the so called war on drugs.
I personally won't sleep well until the "legal" drug pushers (Big PhRMA) are indicted, found guilty an go to jail
Nominations from the floor accepted.
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: pitty on Mar 28, 2007 3:52 PM
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This issue of criminalizing marijuana is 3-fold.
1. Jail black and mexican men to keep them out of white women's panties.
2. Certain industries benefited when hemp was outlawed, the stalk of the marijuana plants.
3. Fear, stalling change and social control over the populace as a whole.
Those of you who say talking about race pushes people away who are anti-racism. You are being silly. Race is an issue and that may make it difficult for you to look into the past and present but you need to toughen up. Acting like it doesn't or never existed is the equivalent of covering your eyes and thinking you are now invisible to all. All is not fair and being an adult is tough some times.
The real deal is they were able to get marijuana criminalized by portraying the black man as becoming uncontrollable when he smokes it. THIS IS A FACT. They used fear of black MEN to make illegal what had been legal all along.
What I find reprehensible is how many local communities want to decriminalize smoking pot for users but leave those who sell it to them out in the cold. What hypocrisy.
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» Pitty is correct. Google "Harry Anslinger" to find his racist congressional testimoney
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Posted by: Lesha on Mar 29, 2007 11:38 AM
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Drugs in the black communities can serve several purposes:
1. It is one of many tools that can be use to keep the black community in some form of dis-array.
2. It keeps law enforcement officers employed along with funding so-called drug intervention programs that are not designed to cure but rather pacify and cultivate the problem. Without a need for law enforcement type jobs wither they be Detectives, cops etc, the economy would be effected not to mention the jobs that would be lost.
This is why the 1992 peace treaty was a major threat to the elite because if you have peace in the black community, then one would see where all of the trouble is coming from: The ruling white elite.
3. By drugs being promoted as a inner city (black community) problem, this helps in raising the image and value of the white community. When one thinks of a crack head they think of black people, but on the other hand when you have a drug problem in the white community this is referred to as kids being kids. The following helps demonize one people (black) while elevating the image of other people (white). When the topic of drugs shifts to the white community you usually hear terms like troubled teens or some term that doesn't make it sound that bad.
Although drugs affect people from all walks of life, it is important as far as the media in concerned that it be promoted as a black problem by using terms or code words like inner city, war on drugs, crack, narcotics and other terms that don't necessarily describe a particular race but would make one think of a certain race (blacks) when these terms are used. When these terms are used, one would not think of white kids from the suburbs but rather someone who is dark and menacing (these are called race code words). This is why it is important in the realm of white supremacy (elite whites) to focus their so-called enforcement on the black community so that the jail system would reflect a black image when one thinks of a drug dealer or criminal. This deception has occurred despite the fact that white neighborhoods is where the drug industry makes the bulk of its money and that whites are the ones who can afford the most expensive and highest quality and quantity of drugs. Rest assure that the drug industry did come here to make a profit off of black people who barely have enough to live day by day.
The main theme here is that as long as drugs can be promoted as a black problem along with criminalizing that community, this means that the white community will continue to have more value and respect in the form of deceiving the world into believing the drug problem in America comes from the black community.
One must remember that white supremacy is not as it was in the early days of this country, its more sophisticated and is hidden in many forms such as code words to trick people.
Tricks and lies is the name of the game.
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Posted by: Henrick on Apr 2, 2007 8:29 PM
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here in Latin America (I'm from Chile) the great model for our own "drug war" is the wise DEA-FBI recipes. You should see all those "progressive" people talking this "martial" hymns against drugs.
In Latin America there is an old permanent culture abour drugs. Drug business and drug business culture (an important point to consider and analize) exist because they were created and developed by drug producers from USA, Mexico and Colombia, that had USA as their principal market.
And what's more: it seems there has been a very consequent politics (principally made up by CIA) of drug-dealing in Europe after WWII (Italy, for sure), Southeast Asia (60-70s) and Latin America (remember Noriega?). Maybe there is a connection with an accusation the past year made the former chief of the 1st chilean secret police under Pinochet regime, Manuel Contreras -who, you know, was the coordinator of Condor Operation, that was evidently known and backed-up by CIA-, about cocaine PROCESSING in chilean military quarters, managed by Marco Antonio Pinochet -son of Augusto (I can say that in the region I live there's a common saying that M. A. Pinochet INTRODUCED the massive offer of cocaine in Valparaiso y Viña del Mar, the most important touristical places of Chile) and with the professional aide of the chemist Eugenio Berríos (quite a dark character, I recommend you google him: the last thing to know was that he poisoned with nerve gas our former president Eduardo Frei Montalva as he was in a hospital).
Keep on,
our problems are not so different from the ones you have.
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