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One Person's Dumpster Is Another's Diner
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No coffee, no beer. The significance of those words sank in with each heavy footfall that took me past my regular Starbucks on my way to the subway.
It was only Tuesday morning, and already I was having second thoughts. Three days of eating only food recovered from the garbage might have been excessively ambitious. Two years in the city have solidified my habits into those of quite the little consumer. I could already feel a bad mood encroaching. I needed my caffeine.
But my breakfast that morning -- a toasted onion bagel, a banana and a Greek yogurt, all recovered from garbage bags the night before -- was a step up from my usual oatmeal. And the anticipation of the lunch I was carrying -- a still-packaged Starbucks egg salad sandwich and another banana, also the products of last night's dumpster dive -- sustained me, for now.
The guided "trash tour" I'd participated in the night before left no doubt that this three-day experiment was a doable feat. If I'd had more hands, I could have gathered a week's worth of food from the garbage left on the sidewalk outside D'Agostino's, three Gristedes, and a Dunkin' Donuts. (Dunkin' Donuts tosses everything every twelve hours, according to an employee.) On top of uncountable loaves of bread and bagels, leaves of lettuce and slightly brown bananas, treasures that turned up included black-and-white cookies, ginger root, beets, Lunchables, and scallion pancakes. According to Madeline Nelson, who looks like your favorite librarian and dumpster dives for most of her food, dumpstering once a week can fulfill about 85 percent of your grocery needs. Twice-weekly dives can cover 90 to 95 percent. She didn't need to come out to the trash tour, because a friend recently stayed at her apartment, and as a thank-you gift he dumpster dove her fridge stock-full.
But she was there anyway, chatting and digging, offering around the orange peppers she found, stomping her feet to stay warm. Freegans are a sociable bunch.
There is an organized group of freegans in the city, called freegan.info after its website, which draws between seven and twenty-odd members, ranging in age from teens to seventy-year-olds, to its various events. But there is no knowing how many freegans there are city-wide, or nation-wide, or worldwide, because the term freeganism is a broad belief that covers a broad range activities. If you've found a bookshelf on the street and taken it home, well, you're sort of a freegan.
Freeganism (a conjunction of "free" and "vegan") is the philosophy that participation in our capitalist economy makes a person complicit in the exploitative practices that are used to create consumer goods. One freegan defines the term as "living beyond capitalism," which can involve any number of practices: urban foraging, hopping trains, volunteering in lieu of working a paying job, repairing things like bikes and clothes instead of buying new ones, squatting instead of paying rent.
Leia Jools, 22, does many of those things. She and her boyfriend are on a "rent strike," Jools explained as she ate blueberries out of a container from the D'Agostinos trash. In other words, they are refusing to pay to live in their Bushwick, Brooklyn apartment, a tactic that Jools predicts will work for about eight months. The last time their landlord saw them in court, she says, "he looked like he was going to cry." Jools doesn't work for a living, which leaves her plenty of time to bike around looking for promising garbage piles. She was a raw vegan for awhile, which was fortunate, since she had no gas with which to cook. Now she is paying for electricity, after a stint in the dark, because she uses her apartment to build and repair bikes as part of a freegan bike recycling workshop.
One or two of the foragers at the trash tour appeared to be homeless, and not interested in chatting (although being homeless and freegan are not mutually exclusive, as is commonly assumed). They wolfed down a sandwich or two and then wandered off into the night. But the majority were brimming with culinary gusto. Shrieks of "Mushrooms! I found mushrooms!" sent a middle-aged woman scuttling over garbage bags. When a Gristedes employee yelled somewhat disdainfully, "I hope y'all here digging through the trash have enough respect to close the bags back up, cause otherwise the rats come through!" Nelson simply reminded the group to re-tie the bags. Everyone seemed cheerfully indifferent.
Their enthusiasm made it feel natural for newcomers like me to squat on a city street and dig through garbage bags as passersby looked and looked away, but I was anxious about doing it without the strength of numbers or the help of friendly veteran guides. My worry was not about getting in trouble; dumpster diving is not illegal. It was that on my own, I might look straight-up homeless.
For self-identifying freegans, embarrassment is not an issue. "I'm not so much bound by the illusions of our culture," says Adam Weissman, 29, who does activist work twelve to sixteen hours a day for no pay and lives on $20 a week.
"Being bound by the cultural norm of whether someone's going to think it's icky or weird for me to be going through the trash is far less compelling than my sense of embarrassment or horror that I would feel for being part of the problem, by basically pumping more fuel into the economy in the form of capital, in the form of money.
"So it's not that I'm in any way not cognizant of the fact that what we're doing is socially deviant. It's quite deliberate."
But I confess that when Tuesday night rolled around, it was my fear of stigma that kept me from doing as well as I could have. I couldn't bring myself to go through bags on well-lit or well-traveled streets -- even though to New Yorkers, I would hardly constitute a strange sight.
My two-hour dumpster diving tour yielded a box of frozen squash and a bag of organic lettuce from an East Village Gristedes; half a bag of organic vegan popcorn, a carrot stick and a head of broccoli from a West Village health food store called Lifethyme Natural Market; enough Dunkin' Donuts to feed an office (an entertaining thought -- only telling my co-workers after the tray's been picked clean that they've just enjoyed a freegan snack); and cannoli and cookies from an East Village bakery.
Nobody stared or voiced distaste. Conversations did not hush as couples passed me with my hand deep in a mess of chopped-up produce. No one offered me a dollar.
As I pulled the beaten-up box of frozen squash out of the trash in front of Gristedes, four NYU kids walked by, guitar cases on their backs. They slowed. I tensed. "All this delicious food, just thrown away," said one. I felt my face get hot. I was surrounded by them. "Anything good?" asked another.
I stood up, ready to walk away. But there was nothing threatening in the way they were kicking at the pile of trash. They were in earnest, I realized. "Mostly just bags of lettuce, and I found some frozen squash," I answered, my temperature returning to normal.
"Eh," the first one shrugged. "Not worth dumpstering."
Day Two
Caffeine withdrawal feels like an elephant sitting on your head.
So when my friend told me that she was about to clear her freezer out, I perked up. One of her roommates recently moved out, and apparently left behind a menagerie of comestibles, including bags upon bags of gourmet coffee. It was all headed for the trash, she said, unless I wanted to dumpster dive my way through their freezer.
I thought about it for a minute. Would that be a cop-out?
Hell no. Freegans are all about a "gift economy." They organize free food markets and clothing swaps. They believe in sharing and cooperation, and, of course, diverting waste from the landfill. Besides, I wasn't sure I could muster the energy to write anything worth reading in my half-awake state.
So I supplemented my rather meager coffers from the night before with dozens of frozen hot dogs, frozen corn, and best of all, four bags of coffee.
I broke out the coffee maker at work, and by the end of the day I was all hopped up, ready to rescue overstock and scoff at expiration dates. I was doubly optimistic because this time around, I would have a guide: an East Village freegan named Harmony, 21, had offered to show me the ropes.
Harmony and I made a killing. We even stopped at some of the same places I'd gone on my own the night before -- the same Gristedes and that Lifethyme Market I'd stumbled upon -- but Harmony's deft, methodical persistence left no promising bag unopened (until we had filled our shopping bags and our bellies, and started getting really picky). Where I found a knot too hard to untie, or a double bag too annoying to bother with, she found cereal, kitty litter, wrapped cinnamon buns, kale, brown rice and breaded tofu from a hot buffet, and her version of gold: avocadoes.
"Are you the freegans I've been hearing about?" a woman asked eagerly as she passed us on 6th Avenue. "Well, it's nice to see you!"
By the time we reached Harmony's favorite dumpstering spot, a Food Emporium in the West Village, I had already stuffed myself and gathered more than enough for the last day of my freegan diet. My bag was exploding and my interest in foraging had dwindled to the point where I was mostly content to watch as Harmony foraged. She could just as easily be transported back a thousand years to hunter-gatherer times and placed in a thicket instead of a pile of garbage, I thought as I munched on the spine of a pineapple, enjoying the taste of Maui while standing in a pile of garbage on a dark, slushy New York City street.
When we started for home, I was limping under the weight of my bounty. The bottom of my plastic bag was about to give. Two big eggplants and a tomato rolled out of Harmony's bag onto a drainage grate while we waited for a light. The tomato was expendable, but after deliberating, she decided she'd wash and bake the eggplants. It seemed such a shame to let them go to waste, again.
Day Three
When I started this experiment I had little interest in the politics of waste. I simply wanted to see whether a person could actually eat for free in a city where a sandwich costs $7. How freeing that would be, in a way. How strange an inversion of everything that drives us to go to work every day. We have to earn, we think, because we have to eat.
But after awhile, my exuberance at opening a bag to find it full of still-warm chocolate munchkins, or a hundred fat New York-quality bagels, or fifty plastic containers of organic lettuce from Mexico, or ten wrapped and ready-to-eat sandwiches, or two dozen firm, colorful peppers, was nudged out by dismay.
Dismay is the point. It's why the freegans are here, and not on some commune upstate. "I honestly can't think of a better place for me to be, and for us to be," Weissman said in an interview. He was wearing an eggplant-colored sweater that recalled the late eighties and navy pants that seemed to be part of an MTA worker's uniform. Like all his clothes, and all his food, this outfit had come from the trash.
"New York is in so many ways the global mecca of the marketing of capitalism, of the marketing of consumption, of the glorification of financial industries through Wall Street. It's so much the heart of global capitalism, I think it's absolutely vital for there to be a voice in this place ... to really say, we don't need to live this way, and in fact, the effects of this kind of living is really destroying the future for life on this planet, and at the same time, causing intense misery around the world."
Weissman had given a similar speech during the trash tour on Monday night, holding up a yogurt with a foil lid and detailing the casualties that marked its journey from a mine in Colombia to D'Agostino's. I had jotted down words in the margin of my notebook: "strip mines," "oil," "Colombian Civil War," "exploited," "farm workers," "product of carnage."
I wasn't listening. It was too distant to mean anything. The numbers, too, are beyond comprehension. So 5.4 billion pounds of food were lost at the retail level in 1995. So half the food produced in this country never gets eaten. I was more interested in the yogurt in his hand.
But now that I've had to throw away good food I've foraged from the trash to make room in the fridge for even better food, now that I've passed up wrapped cinnamon buns not because they're stale, but because there are fifty of them, it's started to sink in.
This happens every night all over the city, and to varying degrees, in every city across the country. All the energy that went into growing, producing, packaging, shipping, refrigerating, and dumping all this food is worth less than what it would cost a store to run out of something and fail to make a sale. So they deliberately overstock. And while the food and packaging gets dumped in landfills, people are going hungry just blocks away.
It's depressing. It's shameful.
It's delicious.
This article ran in the February 26 issue of Our Town downtown newspaper, a nine-month-old free weekly that covers downtown Manhattan.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 21, 2007 2:51 AM
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I wouldn't mind going dumpster diving, but with my luck I'd get arrested. If we knew what's legal and what isn't, that would help. Not all of us are ready to live completely underground with all the risks and hardships.
It's probably easier in NYC because there are so many homeless people and oddballs doing all kinds of strange things, and NYers are notoriously indifferent to what they pass on the street. In the suburbs, I'm sure there is plenty of good trash, eg. outside malls, shopping centers, restaurants...but you would draw much more attention.
Our system deliberately creates "scarcity" to feed the greed...It throws away perfectly good resources so it can make us pay for the resources it wants to sell us. Very criminal, and very wasteful.
Good article.
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» "hope y'all digging through the trash have enough respect to close the bags back up cause of rats"
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Posted by: Madam Hatter on Mar 21, 2007 3:30 AM
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While the author focused on those who do this as a CHOICE, the fact that many people HAVE to do this just to survive was hardly acknowledged. Living like this might sound like quite the fun adventure, but belive you me, it's not so great when you a) don't live in New York City with all its apparently easy pickins, and b) maybe have to maintain a somewhat more normal lifestyle - like having a couple of kids to support.
I've had to basically start over 3 times in life. Each time, I managed to fully furnish and equip an entire house - and the 3 of us living there - by dumpster diving, garage sale-ing, thrift store shopping, and barter. So I know it can be done. It's great if you have the time and energy (and especially the room to store unique finds that you may not want or need but that you can trade off for something you do). But it IS tiring, extremely time consuming, and is not greeted with either pleasant curiosity or indifference when witnessed by passerby or cops in the light of day in my area. Unlike NYC.
Thus, it must be done under cover of darkness. Which automatically raises suspicions. It's also not easy transporting a couch - for insatnce - on your back, so a vehicle is usually necessary. An older, run-down car creeping along the back of strip malls (where the dumpsters are located) at 2 or 3 am attracts a bit of curiosity if spotted. A lot (most, actually) stores around here now put padlocks on their dumpsters... and then it IS illegal to dive on them, even if they happen to be left unlocked.
But I've never had to dumpster dive for food.
I guess we're lucky here in Portland. They have several programs that collect good food that will be discarded from restaurants and other items from grocery stores (and the like) that are close to expiring, and then distribute it via various food banks, community centers and programs like "Gleaners."
Gleaners are local neighborhood-based organizations where members pay a minimal monthly fee (usually like $15, but it's on a sliding scale so some get it free) and they get lots of this type of food and also tons of locally-grown produce. At Christmas time, we all got a turkey, a ham, and mounds of baked goods: pies, cakes, rolls, bread, etc. In the spring and fall we get salmon. All summer long, there are so many fresh fruits and veggies, we can barely eat them. It's a really cool way to supplement your pantry. But it is hit -or- miss, so I've never been able to use it solely, not if I want to give my kids a balanced diet.
I can attest though, it is shameful the amount of perfectly good and usable stuff - not just food - that is thrown every single day while people are in need and our landfills are choking on it all.
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On a more fundamental level, this is hardly a sustainable life. Being able to urban-forage means being able to live on waste. That waste can only come from capitalist excess. So, rather than being a challenge, these folks are more like the catfish of capitalism. I think what they do is just fine, and I think that we should take to heart some of their message. But, please don't put on any pretension that this will offer anything to replace capitalism. After all, to live off of discarded produce, someone got to produce it!
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It is a sort of small resurection of community, or at least of temporary community... those with a shared purpose that directly affects each member.
I'm not really surprised that getting around the cash economy can bring out good things in people.
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Posted by: bttl on Mar 21, 2007 8:22 AM
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I've worked for fast-food restaurants, bookstores, etc while in college and was appalled at the waste. Staff is forced to do this and threatened with dismissal if they attempt to rescue any of these items for their own or others use.
This is obscene.
Thrift stores are a great way to recycle stuff, as well as "free-stores", etc.
The bit with the landlord wasn't too cool however- why is it ok to cheat someone out of their rent money? It seems like these people have decided that a landlord is a capitalistic pig and while they want to take advantage of the apartment they don't want to pay. I do hope they get what they deserve for this. Not all landlords are rich; many are not. They can go live in a box. The thing is, if you don't want to work, or just want to work a bit that is ok- but don't expect everyone else to support you.
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Posted by: Torgo on Mar 21, 2007 8:38 AM
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2 months of topical flea preventives solved that problem soon enough, but I won't soon be dumpster diving and taking anything into my body (or feeding to anyone else who is dependent on me) that has a history of post-preparation exposure to unknown insects, animals, bacteria, fungi, etc.
As a genetic cardiac patient, I'm not about to endanger my health and life by recklessly consuming such items. I can produce enough services to exchange for an adequate diet of safe food, so I'll continue to focus on enjoyable production rather than merely necessary consumption.
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Posted by: pjwhite on Mar 21, 2007 9:22 AM
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The best way to get food is to buy it direct from a farmer's market it and either can (or freeze) it yourself, or grow it yourself. This may be less of an option for urbanites, but one can still grow some vegetables in their apartment year round.
As for meat? Well, there's always the time honored tradition of hunting. Think about it - shooting a large deer supplies all of the meat one needs (maybe two, if you have a family). Raising chickens supplies a steady source of fresh, organic eggs, and also can lead to a change of pace every now and then.
While I am not 100% self-sufficient (yet), it is reassuring to know that it is possible to live a healthier, cheaper, self-sustaining life full of fresh food. People just need to take their food into their own hands.
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New Yorkers, gotta love 'em.
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Posted by: dwatkins9 on Mar 21, 2007 11:46 AM
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The fact that the "freegans" don't pay doesn't make them any less a part of the capitalist system. They still feed off of it. Let them actually forage in the wild, or take up subsistence farming. Otherwise, they are about as "revolutionary" and "anti-capitalist" as my Aunt Minnie.
And how charming of the young woman to take pride in making her landlord cry. I'm sure he's just an "evil plutocrat," not some poor schmuck trying to make a living for his family.
Disgusting hypocrites. More evidence, were more needed, that self-styled and self-indulgent "progressives" are doomed to political loserhood, in perpetuity.
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Posted by: asirame on Mar 21, 2007 12:14 PM
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Always wash that s#*t, yo. ALWAYS. (And with breads or other absorbent foods, be careful about where you get them-- bread from bread dumpsters is preferable, unless it's in a separate plastic bag.)
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Posted by: si.se.puede on Mar 21, 2007 1:19 PM
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That said, I am always struck by the CrimeTHINK mentality of these white, middle/upper middle class individuals. Yes, it is best to opt out of an unethical system, but this cannot be an excuse for a such a self-involved lifestyle. These people, and the many I know like them in the NW, are fully capable of procuring their own food and resources. Yet they do not. Maybe a few volunteer at a bike shop, but few if any seek to truly address solutions to the system they are resisting/feeding from.
Yes, exactly, there are people starving in the streets as this wealth of food is being wasted -- yet I never, ever have encountered these gleaners, with their web services for dumpstering clubs, networking to distribute their finds to those truly in need in their communities. They bring it to shows, share it with their roommates, and ignore the larger community out there that could benefit from a gleaning system (until we achieve a better one, obviously). Would it not be more responsible to organize a system of communication about gleaning between individuals in need, the ones who aren't "bein' radical, and ya know, bombin the system" but truly need this service RIGHT NOW?
Those without homes in the U.S. are NOT generally NYC young bike people who just don't pay rent on their comfortable apartment. Those who want to opt out of the rent system join community squats of abandoned or available buildings, they don't simply refuse to pay rent to their (individual in this case! not even corporate!) landlord.
I wholeheartedly agree with many of the positions espoused by those highlighted in the article, but I find their lifestyle to be self-centered and ill-informed at best, enlightening but setting no example. I prefer my C.S.A., activism WHILE working/attending school, and volunteering at a community garden which provides wholesome produce to the neighborhood food bank. I prefer utilize my position as an able, young citizen in an overdeveloped nation, to work to help others before I just help myself.
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» You make some really good points.
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» RE: Gleaning is great, often the dumpster "radical" crowd is not
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Posted by: magickalrealism on Mar 21, 2007 2:03 PM
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I can respect squatting in abandoned buildings or refusing to pay rent to a dirty landlord, but what it sounds like these people are doing is theft and entitlement behavior in the name of "anti-capitalism." No matter how much they do to reduce landfills by living off of excess, the world and society owes them nothing - not even free rent. It is they who owe the world, as do we all.
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» entitlement behavior
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Posted by: DrSuess on Mar 21, 2007 5:28 PM
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While I screen my tenants carefully, I can allow people with unpaid medical bills, and other problems to move in. I would never be a landlord on either the east or west coast. People who work there have to double their rents to deal with the "deadbeat" equation. This hurts the poor- who have to pay a larger and larger share of their income to find a place to live.
I also see how the poor live, and struggle to make ends meet. Here in Indianapolis, we have groups like "Feed Everyone" and "Second Helping" who gather food from someof the grocery stores, and take it to the food pantries in town. I have once seen someone dumpster diving- but with the availability of food at the food pantries, it is not necessary. It is a sad state of affairs that in the wealthiest nation on Earth, we have such problems. However, some, but not all of the deepest poverty is drug and alcohol related. We will never truely solve the problem of hunger until we solve those problems.
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. . .And we of "The American Way Is the Only Way" wonder why the environment's collapsing and the rest of the world hates us. . .
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» I thought the same.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 22, 2007 7:40 AM
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A good chance to learn how to do something for yourself, even if it does require some small investment in buying food staples.
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» RE: A slightly different food skill.
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» RE: A slightly different food skill.
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» bread
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» Making starter
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» Sorry, Linda... I've lived most of my life in small towns...
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Posted by: morticia on Mar 22, 2007 12:24 PM
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Posted by: ateo on Mar 23, 2007 7:06 AM
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Beyond that I have to add that diving in dumpsters next to people who are genuinely homeless seems a little cruel. Those people need the food whereas you are merely a tourist in their world - stealing the only resources available to them. To you it's a game or a hobby, to them it is a matter of life and death.
Honestly the thought of dumpster diving for food never occurred to me and seems a little ridiculous. I'd like to say good job to the guy who said he made it through college diving in dumpsters for his food. That's pretty resourceful and isn't an extreme I was willing to go to...at the time, although having been through some things in life there isn't much I wouldn't do to survive. However, my method of survival wouldn't entail diving in dumpsters, it would involve using my gun for "survival." I know that comment won't go over well here but, that's the reality of things. A gun is the ultimate urban survival tool.
To each his own.
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Posted by: b33fj3rky on Mar 23, 2007 3:32 PM
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1. Always pour bleach on my trash. Otherwise, I might have hippies, drug addicts, and writers trespassing on my property and sifting through my garbage cans.
2. Never rent to freegans. Not only will they steal rental space from you--they won't feel remorse, and will claim that screwing you over is some sort of righteous political act.
3. Freegans don't think of themselves as unemployed or lazy. They just believe the world owes them a meal.
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