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Think the Nation's Debt Doesn't Affect You? Think Again

By John F. Ince, AlterNet. Posted March 20, 2007.


In addition to borrowing from the world's poorest countries, Bush & Co. are secretly confiscating your hard-earned dollars to support their out-of-control spending habits.
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Sometime in the next year, Congress will start going through their periodic rituals and related public relations charades in an effort to absolve themselves of any blame for raising of the federal government's debt ceiling.

With Bush and cronies having added over $3 trillion dollars to the national debt, the country's credit card tab now stands at $8.8 trillion. This represents an astounding increase of over 45 percent since Bush came into office in January of 2001. And all this fiscal profligacy took place during the years when the CBO originally forecasted record surpluses of approximately $2.5 trillion. And there is no end in sight to the deficits.

More alarmingly we now rely on foreigners to finance over 40 percent of this debt with the lion's share coming from the Asian central banks. In FY 2006 the current account trade deficit is on track to set yet another record, on the order of $700 billion. To put this in perspective, billionaire investor Warren Buffet points out that, "15 years ago, the U.S. had no trade deficit with China. Now, it's 200 billion dollars." He says if the country does not change course, the rest of the world could end up owning 15 trillion-dollars worth of the United States. That's equal to the value of all American stock.

Is it a natural state of affairs for the world's richest nation to be borrowing from the world's poorest nations, to the tune of over 6 percent of its GDP? Harvard Economic Professor and former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund, Kenneth Rogoff doesn't think so. Rogoff goes on camera in the recently released documentary film, TIME-BOMB: America's Debt Crises, Causes, Consequences and Solutions and says, "This is not a normal state of affairs. And it's certainly not something we expect to see from the world's richest country. Back when Britain was on top they were lending money to the world, but we're borrowing from the rest of the world. Our current account trade deficit is now more than our defense spending and incredibly we've been borrowing from the rest of the world like this for several years now. I think we're going to reach a point where the rest of the world decides that they don't want to lend to us. And that can be kind of traumatic."

America's high deficit strategy is due for a critical review, but the review won't be coming from Congress, the media or the American electorate, because these issues just don't rank high on a national agenda dominated by war, sports, celebrity worship, and scandal. But like it or not, Bush's deficit strategy will be getting critical review from the people who matter most: global investors.

There are renewed signs that global investors may be getting concerned about the level of U.S. borrowing. Recently the Chinese, holders of about $1 trillion in U.S. Treasuries, recently set up a new agency of their central bank to take a hard look at their investments overseas, and their continued financing of U. S. deficits may come under close scrutiny. If global investors were to begin to balk at picking up the tab for American excesses, it would be a monumental embarrassment to the United States.

More palpably it would force the Fed to raise interest rates to make the T-bills marketable. That, of course, would have serious effects for the U. S. economy, the stock market and the real estate market. Could this be the beginning of the unraveling? Perhaps.

There are of course, countervailing forces that could enable the U.S. Treasury to continue its glut of borrowing. China and the Asian Central banks would hate to see the markets for their exports go soft and they know that only by continuing their financial largesse will the United States continue to be the "shopper of last resort" in the global marketplace. Oil producing nations are also awash in capital and, as long as the dollar remains the default currency for petrodollars, they view the dollar as a safe bet. But these conditions can't continue indefinitely and no investor wants to be the last to react to bad news.

If history is any guide, we need to be concerned. The last time there was a changing of the guard at the Fed, Alan Greenspan was greeted just about 90 days into his new tenure with the stock market crash of '87, which overnight wiped out over 20 percent of the amassed wealth of investors. The recent hiccup in the global financial markets has raised new concerns about market instability. With the softening of the real estate market, the subprime mortgage market has already sent shock waves through mortgage lending circles, with several notable bankruptcies. There is concern that it may move up the food chain jeopardizing the lending portfolio's major banks, most of whom have been quietly raising the loan loss reserves.

Nobody knows for sure how this will play itself out, but the big picture is not a rosy one for the American economy. In the past year the median sales price for a home in America actually declined and homeowners are starting to feel the hangover of over $1.5 trillion that Americans have extracted from the equity of their homes with interest-only loans and the easy money the banks are throwing at them. The derivatives market, despite having been racked with scandals, is still highly leveraged and due for a "correction". And the stock market has turned jittery on news from China and spiked oil prices.


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John Ince is a former reporter at Fortune Magazine and the producer/director of a new documentary about America's debt crisis. For more information, visit http://www.time-bomb.org/ or to purchase the film visit http://www.customflix.com/208246.

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Posted by: Monitor523 on Mar 20, 2007 12:39 AM   
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There's nothing really surprising about the fact that the US has to borrow money to maintain its position. The federal budget deficit (i.e. the gap between revenue and spen-ding, which has to be made up for by borrowing) is about the size of the military budget (or, equivalently, everything else put together). This comes from what is essentially overreach: the US has 5% of the world's population, and maybe 20-25% of the world's wealth, but 50% of the world's military spending. That's an artifact of the world-system that came out of WWII, when the US was the only major country in the world that hadn't been utterly devastated by the war. It was, by default, the world's lone superpower (modulo a kind of pathetic Soviet attempt to be a counterweight, which was unsustainable enough that it lasted only a few decades before collapsing). Not only was the Soviet effort doomed to failure, so is the attempt by the US government to maintain this unnaturally unipolar situation. One twentieth of the population can't support 50% of the power indefinitely. And as the old canard goes, "things that can't go on forever don't".

A similar situation (with a similar cause) sits behind the enormous US economy - like the British Empire, it's built on trade, and out of proportion to the natural wealth the US actually possesses. This is a naturally wealthy country - at least per capita, since the population is still relatively sparse compared to continents with 6000 years of agriculture and urbanization behind them to push the population closer to the edge. But it's not so wealthy as trade has made it. Outsourcing of technical expertise and value-added manufacturing means that maintaining high consumption has to be done on credit.

It will be a while before Americans really grasp that the country can only sustain per capita wealth on a par with (say) Poland, or that in a world in equilibrium, the country's military strength should be comparable with that of Brazil, or Indonesia (or, at best, both of these combined). It would probably be helpful to grasp this, though, since making policies not grounded in this reality will only make the transition much harder.

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As bad as the US is, the UK is worse
Posted by: Bobsays on Mar 20, 2007 1:03 AM   
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The US is heading for a fall, but take a look at 'mini-US': the UK. It is in even more debt per head than the US. Its City is awash with funny money flooding in from the most corrupt people around the world (for example the Russians). Its Labour Party government is mired in tail to top corruption scandals.

Housing in the UK is some of the most expensive in the world. But when you walk the filthy, crowded and crime-ridden streets, you wouldn't be wrong for asking 'why?'. The UK has also become a giant rip-off confidence game, a house of cards puffed up on BS that is starting to come apart.

The government keeps trying to keep the party going by making borrowing easier and easier and by raiding the tax system for more money. But it doesn't take away the fundamentals: the UK barely makes anything anymore and it (inefficiently) exists as a storehouse for the world's funny money. Great for fund managers as they spray Krug all over the behinds of high class Eastern European prostitutes, but not for our long-term future. They have blown many peoples pensions, destroyed public confidence in anything but socking money away in houses.

A UK businessman is basically a pottey-mouthed spiv in a bespoke suit. He or she gets their way by having no shame and sharp elbows.

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» RE: Failed States Index disagrees with you Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
» Totally Posted by: justaguy
Euro-petro cycle
Posted by: MattUK on Mar 20, 2007 1:31 AM   
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Not much mentioned on the Euro. As the Dollar weakens, it will lose its attractivness...and no central bank or investor will want to see its funds shrink.
A real danger for the US economy is if oil exports start to be traded in Euros, which is what Iraq did, and which Iran is planning on doing (do I hear more drums of war? Wonder why?).
If the USA has to buy oil in Euros, it will have to get hold of Euros. Until know, its been easy to print dollars, but the US cant print Euros. Americans will have to start selling to the rest of the world and Europeans in particular.
The American century is coming to an end, its about time Americans and the rest of the world adjust to that.

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The end of one reality the beginning of another
Posted by: Lector on Mar 20, 2007 1:43 AM   
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During the first term of Bush's presidency, in a period of less than 24 months, the Bush administration accrued more national debt than any other administration during the first 200 years of American independence…combined. Since his inauguration, President Bush has presided over the accumulation of over $3 trillion in debt, an increase of well over 60% in just 5 years. The US national debt is now (as of 05/02/2007) nearly $8.7 trillion.
A trillion is such a large number that most people do not realise or comprehend its humongous size. A trillion has 12 zeros after it or 13 digits in total. It is not 1 billion multipiled by 10, rather 1 billion multipiled by 1 thousand or $8,700,000,000,000 or $8,696,353,575,213.24 to be precise.

Robert L. Lightfoot

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disturbing
Posted by: mazel on Mar 20, 2007 4:19 AM   
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"In fact we are now the world's biggest debtor country, and we are continuing to wield influence on the basis of military prowess alone. As an American citizen, I hope that we can continue to do this but I have to observe that the tides of world history do not speak well for that strategy."

The tides of common sense don't speak well for that strategy either. I might loan money to a friend, but not for the purpose of buying a weapon, especially if that friend had psychotic tendencies.

If we can be satisfied with power achieved by military prowess alone we have lost what it takes to be a truly great country.

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» RE: disturbing Posted by: willymack
US vs EU
Posted by: Cerberus on Mar 20, 2007 4:29 AM   
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As far as I can understand the American borrowing is underpinned by the growth in the American economy. The US is not the country with the largest debt per capita, it has teh largest debt put then again there are some 300 million Americans and the US economy is some 40-50 % of the global economy.

The US will prevail but old Europe will not, the US will loose its supreme position but will maintain its growth and its peoples wealth, the old EU countries will decline and also become poor.

The rising star are then Far Eastern countries, they will develop at the expense of Europe. Why because of the policies in Europe, high taxes, over bloated public sector, unfunded welfare systems not sustainable, negative population growth etc.


Demo However there is unfortunately very little difference between Bush Big Government and the Dems Big government spending. They will both run huge, and under funded deficits. Normally the Dems and in particular left-liberal Dems are the worst when it comes to ruining the economy and running up unpayable deficits, at least Bush deficits can be paid by the underlying growth.


Read this and rejoice that you do not live in Europe:

Wednesday, March 7, 2007 ~ 11:19 a.m., Dan Mitchell Wrote http://www.freedomandprosperity.org/blog/blog.shtml :

“Europe is Falling Further Behind the United States. Although some politicians argue that America should emulate Europe, that choice would mean lower living standards and less prosperity. A new study (http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0605-35.pdf ) from Eurochambres reveals that Europe is decades behind the US in important measures of competitiveness. The study also calculates how long it would take Europe to catch up to America, but that assumes the US becomes stagnant. In reality, as the EU Observer reports, America is growing faster than Europe and the gap between the two is widening rather than shrinking

The EU is 22 years behind the US on economic growth according to a new study, with several other economic indicators showing further gaps despite Europe's ambitious reform agenda to be praised by leaders at this week's summit. A report by Eurochambers, the Brussels-based business lobby, published on Monday (5 March) argues that the US reached the current EU rate of GDP per capita in 1985 and its levels in employment and research investment almost 30 years ago. …according to the Eurochambers study, the EU time lag behind the US has expanded further since 2003 when the group published its first report comparing the economic indicators on both sides of the Atlantic. …Authors of the study point out that if calculations included the latest newcomers of Bulgaria and Romania, the gap between the EU and US would be even larger… in a bid to start catching up with the US on key Lisbon indicators, Europe would have to perform better than the States, according to the Eurochambers study, while the latest results show the opposite: in 2006, the US registered an average GDP growth of 3.3 percent and the EU about 2.9 percent, the highest since 2000.”
http://euobserver.com/9/23628/?rk=1

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How to survive the coming economic collapse
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 20, 2007 5:47 AM   
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Learn Chinese, buy gold, hoard food, tune out, smoke pot and stop paying taxes.

I'm kidding, of course. Lucky for me, having been born in 1935, I experienced the best times in American history -- never to be seen again.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» i'm up for smoking pot... Posted by: veggiegrrrl
Currency of transaction is irrelevent
Posted by: rwa on Mar 20, 2007 7:20 AM   
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Oil producing nations are also awash in capital and, as long as the dollar remains the default currency for petrodollars, they view the dollar as a safe bet.

The auther misses the point here, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Emirates etc... could convert any currency into dollars. They purchase U.S. treasuries in a quid pro quo for security guaranteed by the U.S. It's a racket and it rivals China's influence on long bond rates. If the price of oil were to collapse, ten year rates (on which non-ARM mortgages are based) would soar.

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» Rubbish Posted by: ReallyBearish
China to stop accumulating foreign reserves - Zhou
Posted by: rwa on Mar 20, 2007 7:22 AM   
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March 20 (Reuters) - China's central bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan said in an interview published on Tuesday that China would stop stockpiling foreign exchange reserves.

"Many people say that foreign exchange reserves in China are (already) large enough," Zhou told the Emerging Markets magazine released at a meeting of the Inter-American Development Bank in Guatemala.

"We do not intend to go further and accumulate reserves," he said.

Zhou said the government will "cut a small piece of reserves" for a new agency to be set up by China's central bank and finance ministry to manage its massive foreign reserves, which have swollen because of the trade surplus.

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Pontificating about dollars is useless claptrap. What isn't risky?
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 20, 2007 8:02 AM   
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And in the end, we all die, too. But isn't it when that will happen that matters?

The author of this piece does not take a single risk to mention a date when the worst will happen. That's what we need to know. We don't need to be told that our economy is at risk. Of course it's at risk. Always was, always will be.

Do you know a single lender, at the personal or family level, who would not rearrange the terms for someone who has fallen behind in debt repayment rather than foreclose? We are the world's policeman. Until the world decides that we should not be paid to do that job, we will not be fired. And, yes, paying off our national debt will be harder than borrowing. Duh uh.

Do we want to be the world's policeman is the question. Do we want to take the risk of exaggerated national debt is another question. Those are not questions that can be answered by reciting old wives' tales.

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Euros - above the horizon
Posted by: dancerkc on Mar 20, 2007 8:47 AM   
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Euros should be watched for signs. Like the packaging language of products in stores - first a little bit of Spanish and now a lot of Spanish, and often other languages, we are changing. A few years ago this would have been somewhere between rare and unthinkable. (Though, frankly, we should have been multi-ligual in this country a long time ago. It has been an unrealized-by-us arrogance that we have not.)

Yesterday I realized that not only have I been noticing the increased use of Euro pricing for items on web sites but also now on a number of US-based business sites. After the introduction of the Euro local currencies and the US dollar held on for a while. But now the Euro price quote is standard for Europe (fitting, there for sure). But now I've noticed some US sites listing prices in Euros. Just a tiny trickle for now, but the change in packaging language also started as a tiny trickle.

It does matter which currency is being quoted. It says who people are going to for a stable and central currency.

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Mjabele comments are right on the mark
Posted by: Lector on Mar 20, 2007 8:49 AM   
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In my opinion, Europe may be far from perfect, but it certainly is not poor; anyone who has lived in both the US and Europe knows the differences between the two continents. As with any fact, of course, there are details behind it. For instance, in Europe, there have been cutbacks in pensions, restructuring of medical insurance plans (higher premiums), less money all around for everything that has to do with social spending. But the basic social security net remains. Since I live in both places, I have experienced the standard of living and quality of life in the US and Europe and Europe’s is mostly higher on the average. And sometimes there is simply no comparison. How long it will last is anyone’s guess. The money situation is getting tighter everywhere. If America has a financial meltdown, Europe will quickly suffer for it – but not the other way around. That is unlikely. As someone else said here: invest in gold bullion if you can, and learn the basic survival skills.

Robert L Lightfoot

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time to die
Posted by: solrev on Mar 20, 2007 8:54 AM   
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In the year 2025 and Americans were just barely alive so what, it is just good business. Millions of us are going to dye when our economy collapses. Starvation and lack of healthcare, those dam entitlements. The nerve of low life Americans thinking they are entitled to anything. The evangelicals will be screaming it’s a course from God for homosexuals, abortions, and evilness in general. It will be a curse all right but not from God. The people have lived to long under a government that did not represent them. The nonhumans have sold out our manufacturing base and propped up the economy with a money-laundering scheme, while they robbed us blind. At the same time the nonhumans were smart enough to industrialize China and India. American markets will no longer be necessary America is expendable. Someone had to pay the price for the capital required industrializing those countries. Those countries have bigger markets than the United States. The nonhumans can jack up their standard of living so they can buy their own products. The people of China will be glad to get anything the nonhumans give them if people are starving in America. If the nonhumans can knock off the United States, it will reduce the pollution problem so they will not have to worry about that for another 50 years, nice conservation move. The nonhumans can control the entire planet from the Middle East. He who controls the spice controls the universe. We bought into a service economy and we have served them well.

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» say it, say the word Posted by: twoten
I'm no economist but...
Posted by: GenErik on Mar 20, 2007 9:20 AM   
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if I had 8.8 trillion dollars on a credit card the minimum payment would only be around 120 - 220 million per month. May seem like a lot to you and me but to them its pennies.

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Didn't you hear???
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 20, 2007 9:30 AM   
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National Debt... even a record debt is not a bad thing!!!! It doesn't even matter if we have bought NOTHING of value with it (as opposed to..oh, I dunno.. improving our schools, health care, providing jobs, making our cities safer, etc...)

... as long as its a Republican in office...

Yeah, folks.. keep telling me how "liberal" the mainstream media is....

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Get Liquid
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 20, 2007 10:03 AM   
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When the house of cards takes a good hit, you will not want to have everything tied up in paper- especially US $ denominated paper. Every day that you keep your assets tied to $ denominated paper you are subject to the oscillations of the exchange rate.

For example, when Bush came into office the €-$ exchange rate was such that one dollar bought approximately 1.2-1.3 Euros. Today one dollar buys approximately .8 Euros. That is a huge swing in currency value, due not so much to EU growth as American debt and decline. When the 'adjustment/correction' takes place the exchange rate could take an even more serious slide.

Get out of debt, invest in hard assets, convert paper assets out of US denominated funds if possible. In the long run you will be glad you did. Those who are liquid on the other side will be in a great position to prosper. Those who are not could face a very ugly set of circumstances.

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I know this is nitpicky but...
Posted by: thistleblower on Mar 20, 2007 10:37 AM   
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your piece is profigate with possessive endings when in fact you mean the plural. You may not care, and I know it is a widespread phenomenon thanks to the walmartization of the education of this once great country's citizens. It's still wrong and undermines your credibility. You are trying to persuade people, and you can't do so if readers don't take you seriously. Employ a proofreader if you are too lazy to bother yourselves.

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» RE: I know this is nitpicky but... Posted by: Heather Gehlert
Never underestimate the guile of the American Businessman
Posted by: eddie torres on Mar 20, 2007 10:37 AM   
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"...the rest of the world could end up owning 15 trillion-dollars worth of the United States. That's equal to the value of all American stock."

Well, here's lesson #1 in the Great Sucker Economy: Don't Get Stuck Holding The Bag.

As fewer and fewer Americans can afford to buy US stock and other equity "luxuries," foreigners will be enticed to pick up the slack - a little rules-relaxation here, a little foreign-entity registration loophole there.

And then WHAM.

Every American moves to Mexico and it's margaritas and mariachis for everyone!

Tough luck, CNPC! Eat worthless paper equity, CNOOC!

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We're paying now!
Posted by: Captive Audience on Mar 20, 2007 11:02 AM   
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I think the most shocking fact about the national debt, which is rarely cited, is that right now over 20% of every tax dollar that we pay to the federal government goes to pay just the interest on the national debt. That percentage keeps growing, with no cap in sight.

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A few points
Posted by: chaoslegs on Mar 20, 2007 11:24 AM   
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First, even the Economist has weighed in and the crisis does depend on the rate at which the US dollar readjusts against foriegn currencies. Now if China is willing to loss a lot of money, then they can cause a rapid decrease in the value of the US dollar. Remember, though as their currency rises against the US dollar, the debt they own will devalue at a similar rate. So they may want to cool down the US dollar.

Second, a falling US dollar will as the author suggests make imports into the US more expensive. Over time, this will allow us to rebuild our manufacturing capacity as domestic products will become more competitive. Of course if new or existing business have trouble getting loans to build or expand capacity, it will hurt longer.

Third, I think consumer confidence will be the tipping point. If economically insecure Americans who ranks grow all the time, slow our consumer spending, then there will be less of an incentive to artificially prop the US dollar (or suppress the foreign currency) which could lead to the problems outlined. I agree with others that the housing market bubble collapse combined with our insane fiscal policy is a time bomb waiting to happen.

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epk
Posted by: epk on Mar 20, 2007 11:50 AM   
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While I have not read all the comments to determine if anyone caught this typo, I'll go ahead and make the correction. In paragraph six, it states, "Recently the Chinese, holders of about $1 billion in U.S. Treasuries, recently set up a new agency of their central bank to take a hard look at their investments overseas, and their continued financing of U. S. deficits may come under close scrutiny." The correct amount should be one trillion, not one billion." You may verify this using several sources, one of which is The Economist, Oct. 26th 2006.

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» RE: epk Posted by: Heather Gehlert
Empire of Debt
Posted by: Sprocketman on Mar 20, 2007 12:35 PM   
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A very good book on the topic is Empire of Dept - The Rise of an Epic Financial Crisis, by William Bonner and Addison Wiggin. It compares the financial foundations of the American empire with those of the past, and explains why the underpinnings of our financial system are a very shaky house of cards. Recommend reading.

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» Thanks n.m. Posted by: rwa
America - Freedom to Fascism
Posted by: mcooley on Mar 20, 2007 2:36 PM   
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This is a great video to watch to find out where much of the money is going, and why the Powers that be may actually benefit from a total collapse of the US:

America - Freedom to Fascism:

http://tinyurl.com/ymszrx

Please watch this video all the way to the end - it starts out a bit slow but ends with you gripping your seat. Aaron Russo's film Freedom to Fascism opened to standing ovations at Cannes and reveals a very chilling vision of what is unfolding in the US now, after things took an evil turn in 1913.
This is a real eye opener. (note: please don’t get turned off by the initial Libertarian “don’t pay taxes” aspect of the film – the really important part/message of the film is in the later half). Although it does seem an odd coincidence that the amount of Federal income taxes collected is about the same amount as what is paid in interest on the national debt - to the Private Reserve.
Think this doesn’t affect you? One day, very soon – every single penny you make and spend or save will be monitored/tabulated (with no discrepancies allowed). Every penny will be considered when evaluating what services you may or may not receive, and at what cost to you. You will not be able to buy anything – unless you are allowed to.
The dollar might crash and burn (as planned?), the US will become part of the North American Union, the new "Amero" will replace the dollar, but not before the international bankers seize everything that has been used as collateral against the US debt (that would include the so-called "money" you think you have in the bank)

For you skeptics, please check out the following interesting article on how RFID will be implemented.
If you Google RFID, you will be amazed at how many recent articles/events are unfolding that support the premise of this film, although I am very happy to report that the implementation of Real ID has recently been delayed an additional year:

A Generation Is All They Need
http://tinyurl.com/yw3y9a

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frank67
Posted by: frank67 on Mar 20, 2007 2:49 PM   
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Five countries have talked of moving from dollars into euros.
Iraq - and we know what happened to them. Iran - and now they are in the cross-hairs. Venezuela - The reason Hugo Chavez is villified as a "dictator" even though he has been REELECTED by a wide margin - monitored and okayed by international observers. Can Bush say the same? The other two countries are Russia and China. A little too big for GWB to threaten - just blusters about regression from democracy in terms of Putin. He can't say beans about China - his corporate cronies won't let him!

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Turn off the Pump Ma, the Well is Dry
Posted by: edith on Mar 20, 2007 3:09 PM   
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Federal "spending" must basically stop. Aside from DOD, the entitlements take up most of the rest of the budget. The Feds need to get out of the health care and retirement businesses. Nonprofit member run organizations can negotiate deals with doctors and hospitals to provide health insurance. And Social Security can no longer exist as a federal program unless the amount collected for FICA is deducted from revenues available for other federal expenditures.

We need to return to a confederation of sovereign states which can run experiments in how best to educate and provide for public safety. Enviro programs can be dealt with by joint multistate commissions, which exist even today.

We are simply paving the way for a Chinese takeover if we continue this mad printing of "money" backed by the Dim Duke of Crawford's word.

No wonder the Bushes are preparing to retreat to South America; the US scam is about over.

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» RE: Aside from DOD Posted by: Lincoln fan
Who's the BOSS?
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 20, 2007 5:27 PM   
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By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens."

Inflation benefits just about every investment except money in the bank accounts of the working class. The fallacy here is that it implies that the government confiscates our money for its own use. Actually the government confiscates our money for the people who control the government. If the people control the government the taxes and fiscal policy are used to benefit the people. If the corporate establishment controls the government the taxes and fiscal policy are used to benefit the establishment. As a puzzle try to figure out whether the people or the establishment gained by keeping our defense spending high after the Cold War was over. Can you guess who's the boss?
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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As The Dollar Falls
Posted by: hole11 on Mar 20, 2007 5:56 PM   
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Raise tariffs against Europe or Asia. Sounds easy to me. The US is the market that everyone wants. Raise tariffs and the National Debt will go away. Unless what they really want to do is just tax us to death.

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We do not own what we have not paid for – our creditors do.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 20, 2007 8:54 PM   
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ARE we still the world's richest nation? We have run up such a debt with other countries, turned over so much our production (and coincidentally, much of our technology) to those same countries, and have overextended ourselves militarily so completely in a non-winnable war in the Mideast (which threatens our energy supply, should it spread), that we are looking more and more like the rich family down the block who "own" a mansion and Ferraris, but are actually so far in hock that they are but one paycheck away from ruin. What will happen to us if (when?) the Chinese, for instance, stop buying our dollars?

I guess there are few left alive who remember what happened when this supposedly Richest Nation on Earth found out it wasn't: it was called The Great Depression, and it nearly took our nation down with it. We would be wise to remember that lesson of history, even if our illiterate, ignorant president cannot.

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Hebrewnomics
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 21, 2007 1:40 AM   
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Notice that the U.S. didn't begin to incur massive debts until the Hebrews began to take over America's financial systems in the early years of the 1900s.

Jewish organizations: Wall Street in NYC, the Federal Reserve and IRS (they are VASTLY over-represented in thse organizations), "businesspeople" (MANY CEOs and CFOs, top businesspeople), real-estate slime, hedge-fund managers, oil-company execs, economics professors, etc etc. These people have seized control of the U.S. economy.

Note that one of the first anti-Semitic acts passed when Hitler came to power was ECONOMIC BOYCOTT OF JEWS, hitting the Jews where it really hurts them (their wallets). When Hitler came to power Jews were no longer allowed to work in banks or in market sectors of the economy (stocks, bonds, real estate). Powerful Jews around the world also attempted to boycott Germany at this time (especially in Great Britain and the USA), but that didn't work too well and only strengthened their resolve (same thing happening to Iran and Palestine today). Within a few years Jews started leaving Germany in droves because they were going bankrupt in droves (no more German shoppers in their stores or banks; the Nazis often had guards outside of Jewish businesses to keep German citizens from going in). And during this time Germany's economy PROSPERED like no other economy of first half of the 20th Century!

Once the (Jewish) cancer was cut out of the body, the body could again return to health.

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Global Economy
Posted by: Muty on Mar 21, 2007 5:57 AM   
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Will the Devaluation of the US dollar, by 20-30%, set of a chain reation collapse of the entire global financial system?

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Soon, you'll use our money for toilet paper
Posted by: Reader11722 on Mar 21, 2007 2:52 PM   
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Fiat 'paper' money is yet another Constitutional violation of our rights. Add it to the list:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Wiki. America Deceived (book)
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
The whole system is crashing soon. Buy gold and silver and pray.

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To understand
Posted by: jahtom on Mar 26, 2007 9:09 AM   
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I think that in order to understand what is happening to the American Economy, we should leap back to 1913, when the Federal reserve was created. I invite everybody that read this message to watch 2 documentaries.

First one is Money Masters And the second one is called Compehensive Annual Financial reports Exposed by Alex jones
Somehow this post doesnt want me to put the link so look for them in video google

If anyone wants more information about what is happening, please send me an email
at jahtom@yahoo.com, and i can lead you to more info...

Also watch
-Loose Change 2nd Edition,
Alex Jones
-Terrorstorm,
-Martial Law: 9/11 Rise of the Police State,
And America Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo. All those can be found in video google

God bless all..

Tom

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fractional reserve banking parasitism
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