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The Smog of Race War in LA

By Roberto Lovato, The Nation. Posted March 19, 2007.


Battles between the city's black and Latino gangs are the outcome of a dismal racial and economic situation.

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These days, Chris Bowers wakes up every morning to a vivid reminder that crossing borders can get you killed in South LA's Harbor Gateway area. Just outside the fence in front of his rented stucco house on Harvard Boulevard is a silver scooter, an assortment of dried flowers and a dozen candles bearing religious messages written in Spanish and English -- a makeshift memorial to Cheryl Green, the 14-year-old whose murder last December by members of the 204th Street Gang sparked accusations of Latino "ethnic cleansing" of African-Americans. "There were two of them," says Bowers, a 22-year-old college student and high school football coach. "They came up and shot off one shot. They looked confused, and then shot off the rest of the rounds." Jonathan Fajardo, 18, and Ernesto Alcarez, 20, members of 204th Street, have been charged with gunning down Green as she stood with her scooter talking to friends. Police say they had been seeking a black person to kill.

After greeting a friend who drives by in a beat-up suburban, Bowers, whose dreads and ready smile give him a Marleyesque air, looks south and says, "From 207th down, blacks and Latinos get along; people drink beer together, kids skate and play with other kids. You see black and Latino interracial kids. People kick it together. It's a real community."

Then he looks up the street toward the ramshackle Del Amo Market -- one of the few stores on the twelve-block strip that is Harbor Gateway -- an establishment that 204th Streeters forbid black people to enter. "But over there, that way, no," he says. "You don't really see many black people over there."

Though he gets along with most people on either side of the invisible line and has a Latina girlfriend, Bowers himself must be vigilant of those policing the racial borders up the street. "Even I don't go to the store," he says, "'cause I might get shot."

Bowers and most African-Americans and Latinos living in Harbor Gateway and other poor neighborhoods that are home to LA's 700 gangs and 40,000 gang members -- the largest concentration of gangs in the world -- increasingly find themselves trapped as unwilling gladiators in a zero-sum, black-versus-brown game, one broadcast as if it were a sporting event.

In these graffiti-filled, job-emptied neighborhoods, and in the media, receptivity to simplistic race war rhetoric appears to grow in direct proportion to the speed and intensity with which globalization, migration and economic dislocation remake the City of Angels. The rise of Latino power in LA, most recently displayed in the electoral victory of Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa in 2005 and last year's 2 million-strong immigrant rights march downtown, has taken place just as the once-powerful African-American community has watched its numbers and influence rapidly dwindle. (LA's 428,000 African-Americans now account for less than 11 percent of the city's population.) In the minds of some African-Americans, Latinos, especially poor immigrants, have replaced white racism as the primary cause of the disappearance of LA's robust black middle class in once-great black suburbs like Compton, built on a foundation of industrial and government jobs and reflected in the election of black officials like Mayor Tom Bradley. Since the end of the Bradley era, after the '92 riots announced that everything and nothing had changed in black LA, many explanations for black displacement have arisen -- some of which cast the ascendant Latino majority in a role formerly reserved for whites who fought the rise of black power.

"Latinos who happen to be gang members are trying to push African-Americans out of that [Harbor Gateway] area," says the Rev. Eric Lee, president of the LA office of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, as he sits at a desk flanked by portraits of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. "This is more dangerous than what the Ku Klux Klan was doing. More dangerous because it's coming from people in the same socioeconomic situation. The Harbor Gateway killings were based on racial, not gang-on-gang, violence."

Lee refers approvingly to one of the more controversial pieces about the Green killing, a January op-ed in the Los Angeles Times by Tanya Hernandez, a law professor at Rutgers University. Hernandez's commentary links the murder to anti-black racism imported by immigrants from Latin America. Her claim that the murder is "a manifestation of an increasingly common trend: Latino ethnic cleansing of African Americans from multiracial neighborhoods" has become a clarion call for many local African-American leaders and has been widely circulated through African-American websites, blogs and newspapers.

Minutemen and anti-immigrant websites like VDare seized on this narrative for their own purposes, denouncing the racism of the Green murder with claims like, "Many Hispanic gang-bangers are illegal aliens. Increasingly, Hispanic gang members kill random blacks to drive them out of the area -- ethnic cleansing." (Black Minuteman Ted Hayes has announced a March 25 rally in downtown LA to "stop ethnic cleansing of US black citizens by illegal aliens.") Conservative think tanks such as David Horowitz's Freedom Center then intellectualized the hysteria -- as did some of their progressive counterparts. A front-page story in the Intelligence Report, a publication of the anti-racist Southern Poverty Law Center, sounded the alarm that blacks were becoming a besieged minority amid LA's ethnic strife. The article described a "sort of gang-life fatwah" that "amounts to a standing authorization for Latino gang members to prove their mettle by terrorizing or even murdering any blacks sighted in a neighborhood claimed by a gang loyal to the Mexican Mafia."

Some of these narratives may not have intended to exacerbate racial tensions, but lobbing terms like "ethnic cleansing" into LA's racial landscape has proven neither accurate nor useful. Their intensity may have helped provoke interracial fights in public schools in the wake of Green's murder (human relations officials were deployed to quell conflicts), and they have certainly eclipsed discussion of the less spectacular drivers of racial tension and the rapid growth in gangs.

Rather than deal with gangs and racial tensions comprehensively, as an expression of overcrowded schools, unemployment and the utter failure of urban development policies in pre- and post-riot South LA, the preferred approach here has been "suppression." Most resources for addressing gang violence go not to drug prevention, counseling and job development but toward surveillance, armed sweeps, mass arrests for minor offenses and the criminalization of everything perceived as gang-related, from graffiti to tattoos. This punitive approach is reinforced by gang injunctions and laws facilitating increased incarceration. Gangs and racial tensions provide the LAPD with a raison d'être, an opportunity to redeem itself as an army of good soldiers in a "war" on gangbanger "superpredators" dividing and terrorizing communities.

Police Chief William Bratton marched into his new job in 2002 calling for a "war on gangs" and gang "terrorists." After drawing fire from community groups, Bratton tamped down his language, but his policies have been impervious to important insights like those offered in a just-released evaluation of the city's antigang efforts, funded by the City Council. Led by eminent civil rights attorney Connie Rice of the Advancement Project, the study examined the role of twelve city departments, from police to social services, and concluded, "After a quarter century of a multi-billion-dollar war on gangs [$80 billion, according to Rice], there are six times as many gangs and at least double the number of gang members in the region." The report calls for a major overhaul of gang policy that balances suppression with a more comprehensive program that includes appointment of a "gang czar" and unprecedented funding increases for cash-starved prevention and intervention programs.

Bratton has seized on recent racial incidents as an excuse to resurrect his gangs-as-terrorists frame and legitimize the LAPD's militaristic suppression strategies. Following a February 7 keynote address at an international conference on gangs, he announced a "new" gang strategy. But it seemed strangely familiar: "abatement" of the 204th Street Gang and creation of a "most wanted" gang member list. Bratton rallied his audience of law-enforcement leaders by declaring that "the capabilities and abilities of the gangbangers and gangs is every bit as destructive to democracy and our way of life as the global and national terrorism that we're experiencing."

When applied to black-Latino relations, the hyperbolic talk of "ethnic cleansing" and "terrorism" sounds a dissonant chord among the actual residents of Harbor Gateway, like Green's mother, Charlene Lovett. Sitting in the kitchen of her apartment, in front of a large picture of a smiling Cheryl and a colorful sign with the word Friendship atop dozens of signatures of her daughter's Latino, Samoan and African-American friends, Lovett says that truth has become another casualty, singling out one CNN story for its agonizing inaccuracy. "It enrages me to see how the reporter made it into a 'gang on gang' story, that Latinos are striving to be better than black people in the area. That didn't have anything to do with what actually happened. My daughter was not part of any gang." After pausing to regain her composure, Lovett adds, "If anyone is targeting black people it's the gangs, not all Latinos. We get along, but you don't see them reporting that." Since losing her daughter, Lovett has attended peace rallies with Latinas like Beatriz Villa, who only days before the Green murder lost her brother-in-law, Arturo Ponce, to what witnesses say was a black gunman who yelled an anti-Mexican epithet.

Arturo Ybarra, director of South LA-based Watts Century Latino Organization (WCLO), points out another misapprehension. "I've been there talking with those gangs [in Harbor Gateway]," he says. "They're not immigrants. They're not Mexicans. Most of the members are not even the children or the children of children of immigrants. They're mostly a Chicano gang. It's absurd how people start making the connection between the [Green] killing and saying that immigrants are stealing jobs and want to kill African-Americans."

Facts on the sidewalk tell an even more granular story. African-Americans in certain neighborhoods have become the targets of some gangs. But the Green and Ponce murders turn out to be isolated incidents in a county of 10 million. Police reports and county records indicate that between 2002 and 2005 only one African-American was killed by a Latino in what authorities identified as a racially motivated incident. (There was also the attempted murder of some Latinos by African-Americans.) There were no racially motivated murders at all in 2004 or 2005. That Southern Poverty Law Center article detailing the "racist terror campaign" afflicting black residents of LA's Highland Park actually centers on a crime that took place in 2000.

Lost in it all is a sad but fundamental fact of life in poor Los Angeles: Most violent crimes, most murders, most attempted murders, most gang killings are intraracial. In one of the most comprehensive studies of LA homicides to date, University of California, Irvine, researcher George Tita tracked 500 killings that occurred between 1999 and 2004 in the 77th Precinct, which covers an area north of Harbor Gateway and Watts and is one of most violent precincts in the county. He found that 94 percent of African-Americans were killed by other African-Americans and 77 percent of Latinos there were killed by other Latinos. Tita says there is a recent "uptick" in racially motivated killings, "but it makes absolutely no sense to ignore all the other homicides because of these rare events."

Analyzing this violence through the lens of racism is useful as long as it doesn't blot out another crucial factor: the economic strip-mining of greater LA. Most of the bloodletting takes place in a dead sea of empty lots created by the deindustrialization of South LA, which lost 70,000 jobs between the Watts and Rodney King riots, years that also saw the explosion of gangs -- and gang suppression units. Though the Harbor Gateway murder took place in the shadows of the steel cranes looming over the harbor's gargantuan ports, people prefer to talk about bullets and blood instead of jobs and globalization. The ports generate half a million jobs, but few young people in South LA can get them. One Harbor Gateway resident told me that his neighbors view the port as a "gated community," where "you have to know somebody to get in."

Instead, many of the young African-Americans and Latinos swept up by the LAPD (450,000 minors have been arrested over the past ten years) will likely only see the port from jail cells, like those of the gigantic new Harbor police station being constructed across the street. In this area surrounded by miles of streets bereft of parks and social service organizations, the jail is what passes for community development.

"Gangs grow in low-income areas where there's no support for family and community," says Alex Sanchez, a former gang member who now directs Homies Unidos, a gang-violence-prevention project that works with youth in South LA. "Most gangs come from disenfranchised communities, and these communities have lacked resources they need for a long time -- recreation centers, parks, entertainment, an educational system, good housing, good-paying jobs. Some parents have two or three jobs and can't give attention to their kids. Gangs fulfill the need for respect, attention, being taken into account, camaraderia."

Sanchez, who has helped broker gang truces and has received numerous awards for promoting racial harmony between blacks and Latinos, is walking, talking and protesting testimony to the fact that, under the right conditions and with sufficient resources, there are alternatives to gang life and the racial tensions it fosters. But he too has run up against the LAPD's great wall of suppression. In 1999 and 2000, LAPD antigang units surveilled, raided, arrested under false pretenses and beat up Sanchez and other members of Homies Unidos. These attacks were later detailed in reports about the Rampart scandal, which exposed to the world how LA's generously funded antigang units perpetrated the very extortion and violence they were supposed to suppress. These units fomented racial strife, too, by routinely picking up gang members from one neighborhood and dropping them off in territory controlled by another.

Sanchez argues that this combination of suppression, sensational media coverage and sentencing laws that make it easy to jail minors is what fuels racial tensions. "Suppression means more overcrowding in the jails and more gang tensions," he says. "Then if a young person watches the media, where they're bombarded by messages about racial conflict, they're going to see issues between gangs as issues of blacks and Latinos."

Robin Toma, executive director of the LA County Human Relations Commission, has also witnessed the way police and prison policy can stir LA's caldron of racial hatred. "I was in Harbor Gateway when there were racial tensions in 1997," Toma recalls. At that time African-Americans, including black gangs, were moved by housing authorities from nearby San Pedro into mostly Latino Harbor Gateway. Police responded with arrest dragnets and a "surge" strategy reminiscent of the Iraq War. "We had limited social investment from city leaders," Toma says. "Many kids were picked up and thrown in jail, and now they're older and angrier and coming onto the streets. Their biases spill into the schools. Addressing social problems with incarceration and policing that focuses solely on suppression is a proven failure."

Antonio Villaraigosa, LA's first Latino mayor in more than a century, indicated early on that he would take a different approach, signaled by his first high-profile event as mayor-elect: a visit to a school where more than a hundred black and Latino students clashed in May 2005. Unlike his predecessors, the mayor has been vocal about expanding the discussion of gangs and racism to include socioeconomic forces and has voiced interest in a comprehensive "prevention, intervention and suppression" strategy. In March he proposed a budget increase for youth employment programs that would add 7,500 jobs to the 2,500 now provided. Still, the political and financial heart of his antigang strategy has been a continuation of all-cops-all-the-time, an approach that has endeared him to the same white suburbanites who have voted to cut billions in funding for schools and inner-city social services.

Villaraigosa fought for and got funding for 1,000 more police officers last year, some of whom will be dedicated to gang suppression. We want to "make violent street gangs public enemy number one," he said at a press conference following the Green murder. This intensification of the war on gangs comes despite contrary recommendations of countless blue-ribbon panels over the years -- the McCone Commission following the Watts riots, the Christopher Commission following the Rodney King beating, the Webster Commission following the riots of 1992, the reform recommendations following the Rampart scandal -- that have all urged an end to the practices documented most recently in a 2006 report on police reform: "erroneous arrests...coercive interview tactics, evidence suppression or planting by officers, alarmingly flawed investigations and police perjury." The Rampart scandal report echoed recommendations that have been made for decades, most notably transitioning from "suppression policing" to "problem solving policing," which builds community relationships.

Given the nonstop PR campaign to soften the noirishly tough image of the LAPD, Villaraigosa's prioritization of suppression has the effect of reinforcing the worst aspects of an institution that is notoriously resistant to change. If Villaraigosa doesn't act rapidly on calls to break City Hall's addiction to suppression, the question will arise as to whether he can make a difference for South LA's poor African-Americans and Latinos.

"Having a lot of Latino elected officials in Los Angeles doesn't mean we get the attention Latinos need down here," says Arturo Ybarra from the WCLO office in one of the weed-infested lots still littering post-riot South LA. "We're still abandoned because of a lack of political leadership."

As one of the few visible Latino leaders in South LA, Ybarra, an immigrant from Mexico, organizes events like an African-American-Latino Cinco de Mayo parade. (The holiday may be one reason school hate crimes spike to their highest levels each May, according to the County Human Relations Commission.) He says he feels a deep responsibility to voice what others prefer to remain silent about. "The whole area is majority Latino immigrants, and most of the people elected to office are black officials," he says. "Most of the infrastructure in South LA -- the senior centers, the youth centers, childcare -- are led and managed by African-Americans. Some are doing excellent work with Latinos -- and some are not."

Asked how he thinks the city can meet its racial and gang challenges, Ybarra points to programs like conflict resolution, job training and diversity awareness that helped him and other Watts residents overcome racial tensions in Nickerson Gardens and other historically black housing projects. "We need to deal with racial issues," Ybarra says. "We need to deal with the effects of violence. But we also need to deal with the economic roots, the urgent need for jobs, training, building cultural understanding and programs for reintegration into society after prison."

But the approach favored by Ybarra may be too expensive for a city that, in 2005, spent $25.8 million on gang prevention and intervention programs and $56 million on gang suppression -- not including more than $1 billion spent on policing, by far the largest line item in the city budget. The study of gang policies Rice produced for the City Council estimates that to develop a basic prevention and intervention network in one cluster of high schools reaching 22,323 people, the city would have to spend $56 million per year. Rice estimates that it would therefore cost upward of $1.3 billion a year to create the employment, education and violence prevention programs needed to reach the 300,000 young Angelenos the report says are at risk of joining gangs.

But given the report's estimate that in 2006 gangs cost the city more than $2 billion in damage to victims and property, Rice argues that LA can ill afford not to spend on its youth. To move beyond what Bratton likes to call the "war on gangs," she says, "Los Angeles needs a Marshall Plan to end gang violence."

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Roberto Lovato, a frequent Nation contributor, is a New York-based writer with New America Media.

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Posted by: Temporary on Mar 19, 2007 1:56 AM   
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there aint gonna be no reason what so ever to march to war halfway around the world! The REAL WAR will be fought on streets of America itself! BRACE YOURSELVES!

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fire this time
Posted by: edith on Mar 19, 2007 2:27 AM   
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What else did you expect when the US business world and the US govt engage in a deliberate program to import cheap labor from Cental America so that African American young workers are left uneducated, unskilled and unemployed? The smashing of unions in LA, once a union capital, along with outright discrimination and the lack of apprentice programs for Black youth also led to this inevitable ethnic cleansing of the African American community and its replacement by servants from Mexico and El Salvador.

This sickening destruction of the US workforce has gone on for years, long before W, and it will continue under corporate Dems like Clinton, Biden or Obama, or under the GOP business managers Romney, Giuliani, or McCain.

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Travel to cities across the western world and see the same thing underway
Posted by: Bobsays on Mar 19, 2007 3:13 AM   
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Try Canada, the UK, or Paris - it is the same thing: black gangs being attacked by gangs from the new migrant communities, either legal or illegal. They share one thing in common: all these communities were brought in to oust black labour to replace them with cheaper imports. This has led to an ethnic cleansing and profound feelings of hopelessness in the black communities.

And this is leading to rampant street crime and black-on-black killing. It is a deeply tragic and sad thing to witness and something mostly ignored by governments of every hue.

If we don't come to grips with this, we will see our cities became more and more like something from 'Escape from New York': no-go zones rife with crime and death surrounded by wealthy paranoid communities armed to their teeth and under constant surveillance to try and stay safe. That is a sad future for all of us. If you want to see how it looks, go to Johannesburg in South Africa: it is already the norm there.

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» Being hysterical Posted by: chutzpah
» Lost Angeles Posted by: psychochurch
NEW RULE for blog writers: Make your articles SHORTER!
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 19, 2007 4:33 AM   
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After too many minutes trying to digest Lovato’s "Race War" article (which I felt compelled to do with my home just 45 miles from downtown Los Angeles), I think this is the point of his 3,911-word piece: Latino and black gang members in Central L.A. are killing each other like crazy because of poverty.

Duh!

Couldn’t Lovato have made his point with HALF the words?

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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Did you race war fans actually read the entire article? -nm
Posted by: lessbread on Mar 19, 2007 5:15 AM   
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nm

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All The Wasted Energy
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 19, 2007 8:23 AM   
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Think of all the lost lives, the lost opportunities, the destroyed families, the money wasted for police, etc, all because people fear or choose to hate people who look different. How long do we have to deal with this kind of nonsense?

Here in the south where I live, we are seeing an increasing number of African-Americans coming from California's Southland. What I hear from most is that they have had it with the whole L.A. thing, young & old, professional & blue collar. Maybe this is how the South can be reclaimed from the NeoCon Evangelicals. I say come on down- there's work to do, the air's much cleaner and the streets are much safer.

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» The Sudland Posted by: edith
» RE: The Sudland Posted by: chutzpah
No one gives a damn about cities, and we haven't for a long, long time.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 19, 2007 8:27 AM   
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The suburban sprawl has diluted the political clout of cities since the post-WWII expansion. That has been amplified by a load of other factors, old and new--some of which are mentioned in this article.

So our cities have become concrete jungles. Not just LA. New York, Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis. All have the worst school systems in the US.

In other words, conditions are continually getting worse. Since the Reagan era's transfer of wealth to the rich (read Kevin Phillips; and he's a Republican) we no longer seek to solve human problems; we just make "war" on them.

The easy historical precedents can be found in imperial Rome and the Prohibition Era. Make it illegal, so we can pay law enforcement to fight it.

A society that is run by the rich for the rich creates what Marx called a proletariat--a disenfranchised underclass. A proletariat eventually finds itself with no choice but revolution. Our cossacks wear law enforcement uniforms.

But the question remains the same: how long can a society live with a violent underworld separated from a wealthy gated-world by an army of police? 20 more years? 30 more years? To quote one of our great ones, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." It's just a matter of time before it collapses. When you've seen one empire fall, you've seen them all.

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» Reread Marx Posted by: Phenix
» RE: eread Marx Posted by: Cerberus
Good but long article
Posted by: Phenix on Mar 19, 2007 8:33 AM   
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I think that the writer could do with out the first 4-5 paragraphs. I struggled through those original paragraphs b/c it was clear that he meant to contradict the original points about gang violence. He could have also took out one of the personal examples that he used to prove that there is no major racial problem in the city and that poverty is the root cause of the violence.

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Excellent article
Posted by: Boomerang on Mar 19, 2007 9:21 AM   
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This is a fantastic article. A little on the long side, but very well written and researched. Alternet needs more articles like this.

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Compton middleclass??
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Mar 19, 2007 10:27 AM   
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Since when? I've been doing business in LA for almost 20 years.. 15 of it in the Carson and have ALWAYS been warned to stay out of Compton.. While we might feel for the Blacks in this case, how about the black attacks on white girls that were left wiithout racisim charges..

In a decision that shocked both sides – and left the prosecutor in tears – a Los Angeles County judge yesterday released four black teens to their parents to serve 60 days of house arrest for the severe beating of three young white women on Halloween night. The attack on Laura Schneider, 21, Michelle Smith, 19, and Loren Hyman, 19, which occurred in in the Bixby Knolls section of Long Beach, was carried out by a large group of black teens – as many as 30, according to reports. The upscale neighborhood is known for lavish Halloween displays and has long attracted crowds.

Ten teens were charged in the attack. All maintained their innocence throughout the trial. Juvenile Court Judge Gibson Lee found nine of them guilty last month.

“Perhaps the only thing worse than suffering 13 facial fractures was seeing my friend Laura lying on the ground lifeless,” Hyman told the court earlier this week, as victim-impact statements were offered before sentencing.

Schneider suffered a concussion after being struck by a skateboard when someone yelled out a racial slur.

Hyman, who was scheduled to have 4 1/2-hour facial reconstruction surgery yesterday, sustained multiple fractures in her nose and around her eye.

“I hope they’re still in jail when our injuries are finally healed,” Schneider said.


I know, I'm a heartless conservative .. but I find it hard to feel compassion for a group that has been terrorizing other groups for lord knows how many years.. Yes, black on whitre..white on blacks, blacks on latinos and now latinos on black.. how nice we are all getting along so well..

So, as for solutions.. disband the ACLU for starters and let the police do their jobs.. it's not always pretty but can get results..

Also, having dreadlocks and "neighborhood" speech patterns will not get you a job.. You want out..fit in!

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» The ACLU works for the people. Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: The ACLU works for the people. Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Integration Has Failed Posted by: edith
» Integration Hasn't Failed Posted by: chutzpah
A Chicano gang?
Posted by: rhinojos on Mar 19, 2007 4:58 PM   
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WTF is a Chicano gang?

"They're not immigrants. They're not Mexicans. Most of the members are not even the children or the children of children of immigrants. They're mostly a Chicano gang."

If they are not Mexicans then wtf are they? I'm a Mexican American myself and I still don't understand this bullshit crap that California Mexicans use to identify themselves: Chicanos.

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Integration...when viewed in its best possible light... is a farce..
Posted by: ekipnrut on Mar 19, 2007 5:56 PM   
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a lie....an addiction...But of special importance here is that
as far as Black/White integration is concerned, reports of its recently spawned ubiquity appear to be greatly exaggerated:
"Affirmative action categories were created by government bureaucrats without any serious study, and that occurred more than 40 years ago," Skrentny said. A better basis for anti-discrimination measures, he said, would be one based on the recognition of "a divide or hierarchy in America, of black and nonblack, with blacks on the bottom."
John Hope Franklin of Duke University, the dean of U.S. black-history professors, agreed that this model makes sense. Black integration continues to move "at a snail's pace," he said, largely because most white Americans remain "stuck in their old ways." Illinois' Krysan, whose primary concern is black-white relations, agreed, citing continued segregation in public schools and housing.
Excerpt from:
INTM
Also: In 1/26/2003 NYT Nina Bernstein article reviewing
Randall Kennedy's Interracial Intimacies
More than 30 years after the aptly named landmark case Loving v. Virginia invalidated legal barriers to interracial marriage, weddings in black and white represent only 0.6 percent of all American marriages, or 300,000 out of 55.3 million. (The figures are for 1998.) Kennedy cites research showing that over 93 percent of whites and blacks marry within their own groups, compared with about 70 percent of Asians and Hispanics.
Others have viewed these facts more somberly than Kennedy. In the astute and analytical ''Interracial Intimacy: The Regulation of Race and Romance,'' Rachel F. Moran, a professor of law at the University of California, Berkeley, found lopsided intermarriage rates ''strong evidence that black Americans remain a deeply racialized people in the realm of sex and marriage.'' From the same figures, the journalist Michael Lind has argued that rather than ushering in a race-blind society, shifting patterns of racial intermarriage suggest that the coming years ''may see the replacement of the historic white-black dichotomy in America with a troubling new division, one between beige and black.''

...To quote another recent Alternet poster, Lesha..."Integration
IS an Illusion" (emphasis mine).
ALTN
Some of you should be careful to check out the hyperlink in
the last post in the foregoing linked article. It appears that the
Cherokee nation, for just one example, isn't at all enthused about 'integrating' with Blacks. Period

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This has to be some sick twisted troll
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Mar 20, 2007 6:26 AM   
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This has to be some sick twisted troll.
There is only one race, the human race. Get over yourself, whoever you are.

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Repatriation day
Posted by: Bobsays on Mar 20, 2007 9:12 AM   
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I totally support the return of white Europeans back to Europe and black African Americans back to Africa. I commend your agenda. The arrival of all these white Americans in Europe would be a great boost to the economy (though I'm not sure what would happen to Africa).

Maybe you should lobby the UN to organise such a mass move. As for North America under your Raza rule, it will fester as a backward economy under some corrupt latin american dictatorship. But if that is what you want, so be it.

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» White repatriation to Europe Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» If some go back, we all go back Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» Hey Bobsays Posted by: veggiegrrrl
RE: Kill niggers and white trash in large numbers
Posted by: ron517 on Mar 21, 2007 2:39 PM   
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Hombre: Be very "careful" what [you] "wish" for...!

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Big spending will not solve everything as we can se from the Swedish example
Posted by: Cerberus on Mar 20, 2007 5:11 AM   
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As regards to the article not everything can be explained by "socio-economic" factors, the problems will not go away just by spending billions of dollars on public programs as we have learnt by bitter experience from Sweden, although Sweden has spent billons upon billions on social housing, extensive welfare programs in disenfranchised areas as well as extensive employment programs the problems are still there and getting worse by he minute. Sweden is fast getting the same problems you have in the US however in Sweden instead of blacks and Latinos we have Middle Eastern Muslims. Sweden and Europe have not only to take in consideration the disenfranchisement as regards to economic status but the huge and even more difficult cultural differences as regard to values; separation of church and state, fundamentalist religious values, the hate of homosexuals and the view of women as inferior.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say....
Posted by: djnoll on Mar 21, 2007 2:17 PM   
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DIVERSITY DOES NOT WORK - IT IS ANOTHER FORM OF SEGREGATION! For many decades now the idea that Americans should embrace our ethinic or racial backgrounds as part of identifying who we are has given rise to an interesting political structure in this nation. It was done originally to identify the various members of the Civil Rights movement as something other than just Americans. It seems we are too stupid a population to tell a Black man from an Oriental or Hispanic or White man. That was the first step in this "recognize diversity" ideology. I thought it was a stupid thing then and I think it is a stupid thing now. It just emphasizes our differences, not what makes us a united population.

Then we had the rise of the various political groups along these diversity lines - Ranbow Coalition under Jesse Jackson; political/religious groups headed by Al Sharpton, Pat Robertson, and others; and groups like La Raza or MeCHA. These groups depend on the backing of these diverse racial or ethinic power bases to give them clout.

Can you imagine what would happen to these people and their power and money machines if people just said "shut up and sit down, these people are my neighbors and my friends, and you are not going to segregate us by claiming we are different and therefore, better. We are Americans and we are equals!"

Can you imagine what would happen if we as parents demanded that our schools keep our children in the neighborhood, and improve the quality of their education so that every child had a chance?

Can you imagine what would happen if the young people in these neighborhoods had a way to contribute to the good of their neighborhoods in a productive and civilized manner?

Can you imagine what would happen if we stopped teaching hate in our churches, synagogues, mosques, and started teaching tolerance and acceptance in our homes, religious institutions, and schools?

My heavens, we might actually affect real change that could last for generations! But that takes effort and it takes looking beyond a person's skin or religion or country of origin. It takes personal effort to make your life better, your neighbor's life better, and teaching your children to work together to do the same. Watch small children at play, they do not see color or religion or nationality - they see other children. It is only when we force them to learn to hate that things change, and that is a fact that goes back centuries!

Yes, it is a hard job and many times we will fail to accomplish what needs to be done, but as long as we allow ourselves to led around by groups who want us divided so that they can control us, we all lose. United means just that - and in the United States we use to use the Pledge of Allegiance which included the phrase "One Nation...With Liberty and Justice For All." Only when we become united, one nation not many, can we take back the people's power and create that United States, where color or ethinc background are not what make us strong, but our national pride as Americans first does, and where Liberty and Justice for All really means something.

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