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Can Barack Obama Become President?
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Nevertheless Barack Obama, the 45-year-old son of Kenya and Kansas, has penetrated the media's foggy obsession with tabloid stars and has become, in short order, a celebrity himself. He has jump-started interest in the presidential race and zinged from something like 12 percent name recognition to being a close second for the Democratic nomination. With the campaign's starting gun only just fired, Obama is already perceived as a powerful threat to Hillary Clinton's well-funded political juggernaut and John Edwards' carefully planned strategies, and has emerged as the presumptive speaker for the conscience of the country in the 2008 presidential sweepstakes.
Many are excited just to be passionate again about a presidential campaign, even if it turns out be the classic brief dance of an underdog. But with lightning swiftness, an Obama nomination seems tantalizingly possible. Even sitting presidents can't always raise the $1.3 million taken in by the Obama campaign during a single fundraising event in Los Angeles on Feb. 20 sponsored by Hollywood moguls Steven Spielberg, Jeff Katzenberg and David Geffen.
The field reports on Obama are also impressive: He recently addressed the largest ever pre-presidential-primary crowds in New Hampshire, Iowa, Ohio and Texas and has been endorsed by Iowa's attorney general and state treasurer -- pragmatic characters practiced at backing obvious winners in their state. The Iowa caucuses early next year will be among the nation's first electoral tests of presidential candidates. Inside the offices of MoveOn.org, there is agreement that Obama is far and away the favorite among its members and has been for the past six months. Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle has endorsed him, saying that Obama "personifies the future of Democratic leadership."
What do we know about this first-term U.S. senator who wants to be our president? The Obama resume is formidable: Harvard Law School graduate and president of the Harvard Law Review, civil rights lawyer, constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago, author of two best-selling books, grass-roots organizer and Illinois senator for eight years, where his style has been described as methodical, inclusive and pragmatic. Factors such as his stalwart opposition to the Iraq war, a growing appreciation for his self-effacing charm and crossover appeal, and Americans' desire for fresh and future-focused leadership all seem to bode well for Obama's continuing momentum.
Race in the race
So now that Obama has burst on the scene as a real contender, the question becomes: Is America ready to elect a black man to its presidency?
For sure an Obama nomination would be a powerful update on the black condition in America and signal wide acceptance of the enormous diversity of its population. Yet, on the other hand there are pockets of resistance and reluctance in the African-American community to get on the Obama bandwagon. Some question Obama being the product of a mixed marriage -- his mother is white, his father from Kenya. Obama's origins were not the slave experience shared by many African-Americans, especially its senior political class. But that may not have as much impact in the rank and file, and among younger African-Americans.
Meanwhile Bill Clinton has been by far the most popular president among black voters, and Hillary Clinton has her share of their support. The initial reluctance among black voters should have been no surprise -- the Clintons have earned their close friendship with African-Americans. But as the viability of Obama's run becomes more apparent, a dramatic growth of his support in black America is to be expected.
Surely Obama's ideas and positions will play well in black communities: universal healthcare, technological improvements for poor and rural communities, reform for the political system, energy independence and ending the war in Iraq. The fact that racial minorities make up a disproportionate percentage of the dead in Iraq and Afghanistan is not lost on people of color in this country.
For many, Sen. Obama represents a modern and positive image of blackness. He is a worldly, well-educated man married to a well-educated professional black woman. Another way that the race issue may ultimately work in Obama's favor is that it helps force those who are loudly critical to base their stand on his record and positions and steer clear of personal attacks that could be construed as racist.
But what about the election? The voting booth provides ample coverage for secret racists. Yet a newly announced Gallup poll found that 94 percent of Americans would vote for their party's African-American nominee for president before their party's woman nominee. And it's safe to assume that the same people who would reject Obama on the basis of his skin color would probably reject his progressive views even if he were white.
The votes he may "lose" due to race alone are votes he would not have had anyway. With his early and impressive following among young people, some experts are predicting an unprecedented increase of eligible young voters coming to the polls to support Obama in 2008.
Other well-known figures have paved the way for Obama's run. The first black woman to be elected to Congress, Shirley Chisholm, ran for president in 1972 and established the importance of the black vote. In 1984 and 1988, Jesse Jackson was taken seriously as a possible presidential candidate and won more states in the 1988 primaries than anyone thought possible. Throughout the 1990s former Secretary of State Colin Powell, who was riding a wave of success after the first Gulf War, was widely lauded as presidential material. Had he run in 1996, he may well have won. As with Obama, his racially mixed background was seen as a plus. Finally, in 2004 both Illinois Sen. Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton ran full-blown campaigns for president.
It is unlikely that there will be a moment during the nomination process when everyone suddenly decides that the time is right for a black president. If history is any guide, these cultural shifts take on a life of their own, and only after the fact does everyone agrees it was time.
The experience paradox
In 2008, given the disastrous state of political affairs in America and its standing in the world community, the candidates with the most Washington experience appear to be headed for trouble in some popularity surveys. Polling consistently shows that many Americans want a fresh approach, a leader who is not representative of the system that has brought us to the crisis point. "Most voters want something new," says Democratic consultant Donna Brazile, who managed Al Gore's presidential campaign in 2000. "They want less D.C. experience and more good values."
Nevertheless, Obama does have significant experience under his belt -- eight years in the Illinois state Senate and a seat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during his first two years in the Senate. Senator Obama has been notably productive in Washington -- he's the primary sponsor of 152 bills and resolutions, including three Senate resolutions, and 14 bills that he co-sponsored have become law. He introduced the Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act, which works to deter nuclear proliferation; the Drinking Water Security Act of 2005, which reduces pollutants in our water; and the Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act of 2006, which secures health benefits for our veterans.
Obama's perspective on the topic of experience is instructive: "Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have an awful lot of experience, yet they have engineered what I think is one of the biggest foreign policy failures in our recent history. So I would say the most important things are judgment and vision ... and passion for the American people and what their hopes and dreams are." He is on record as believing that given a certain necessary level of experience, sound judgment is always more important than time on the job.
Can Hillary hold on?
Many Democrats agree that their '08 candidate should be a unifier, someone who can give voice to the issues Americans agree on and reach across independents and some Republicans for votes. Hillary Clinton, despite her high name recognition, acumen for raising money, political markers transferred from Bill and popularity among the Democratic elite, will have to prove that she is not the polarizing figure that many of rank-and-file Democrats worry about. Intelligent and articulate, she nevertheless lacks the ability to connect with people that made Bill so magnetic. To quote Bill Mahar, "She's the wrong Clinton."
Others fear that once Hillary is a candidate, Republicans will relentlessly dredge up vivid reminders of the more tawdry aspects of the Clinton presidency: the Monica Lewinsky revelations, Jennifer Flowers and the impeachment attempt. Many Americans were sympathetic to Hillary throughout that drama, but it is a fair guess that voters do not want to be reminded of it daily.
There is also a long history of Hillary being the prime target of reactionary talk show hosts throughout the American South and West, who railed on nightly about Hillary and invited listeners to call in and join in the demonization of the first lady when Bill was president. The right-wing conspiracy that Hillary decried did in fact exist, and she was their target. Although attacks on Hillary were essentially groundless, almost half of the American electorate go into this election season with a negative perception of Hillary Clinton.
Finally, Hillary's refusal to "admit she made a mistake" when voting on the Iraq war is regarded by many as a strategic blunder and stands in contrast to Obama's clarity about the need to end the occupation of Iraq quickly.
Obama on record
"I think one of the things about national politics that is so exhausting is this attempt to airbrush your life," Sen. Obama has said. "This is who I am, and this is where I've come from." Some critics have called Obama the Rorschach candidate, loved not so much for his positions but for his appealing persona. The instant rock-star status he enjoys, and the media frenzy he generates, have the downside of creating the impression that he is heavy on charm and light on ideas. Yet in his new book, "The Audacity of Hope," Obama spells out his platform in detail. His stands on the most complex and divisive issues of the day, from gay marriage to the Middle East to the death penalty, are fully explained in 384 well-written pages that the average reader can comprehend.
The book also recounts Obama's position on the Iraq war. In 2002, he strongly opposed the invasion of Iraq because he felt it was an ill-conceived venture that would "require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost with undetermined consequences." He warned that an invasion without strong international support could "drain our military, distract us from the war with Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and further destabilize the Middle East." Currently, Obama takes issue with those who feel the problem was one of strategy or implementation: "I have long believed it has also been a failure of conception, and that the rationale behind the war itself was misguided." In January 2007, Sen. Obama introduced legislation that would commence redeployment of troops no later than May 1 of the same year.
But with friends like democrats...
Universal healthcare, energy independence, action on global warming, more affordable education and a phased withdrawal from Iraq all will have a clear appeal to progressives. But one should never underestimate the ability of Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
A sizable percentage of the progressive sector may not be happy with any candidate who does not agree with them on every issue. They have already shown a surprising lack of concern for the political and practical consequences of their inflexibility. The following that Dennis Kucinich, and Ralph Nader enjoyed are cases in point. Intractable liberal voters are like window shoppers who feel most comfortable going home empty-handed and later whining that they couldn't find something they liked. They may have been as responsible for reelecting Bush as his hard-core conservative base.
Has America under George W. Bush dropped into an abyss of moral and economic bankruptcy? Sadly, this is what our nation now represents to the rest of the world. Perhaps the most groundbreaking aspect of an Obama presidency would be the message it sends globally: The post-Bush era of American governance has arrived.
If candidate Obama's challenges are daunting, his overcoming those challenges would be all the more significant for many around the globe. An Obama presidency could vault him and all of us into a new era, where sane and compassionate policies are championed by a more united and rational citizenry. Still, world popularity doesn't elect U.S. presidents. Will Americans be driven primarily by their fear or their hope? The possibility of a new president named Barack Hussein Obama hangs in the balance.
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Posted by: Intraspecto on Mar 13, 2007 12:56 AM
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I listened to Air America radio and heard someone call him a modern Jefferson. I pulled over and puked I was so disgusted...It is almost as bad as Clinton calling herself a "modern JFK". The fact that both of them went to the South to court the black vote and pretend that they had been in the same shoes as those they were trying to court makes me ill. They are just elitists who love power...fuck em' and vote 3rd party...
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Posted by: greekTowner on Mar 13, 2007 1:37 AM
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America needs a multi-party system, period.
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Posted by: robchapman on Mar 13, 2007 4:18 AM
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America is seeking a new political organizing principle.
Obama has already shown himself to be the reigning master of the new political information media: the internet.
If he is successful in articulating a compelling vision of America's shared future, he will not only be President he will be a great President.
Who better to rebuild America's committment to Democracy than a man who personally embodies so many strains of our heritage?
Robert Chapman
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Posted by: truthteller on Mar 13, 2007 4:45 AM
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Obama most assuredly is under the influence and control of fellow Illiini, Rep. Rahm Emanuel - that is, Israeli-born, rabid Zionist Rahm Emanuel, son of an Israeli intellegence officer.
This whole Kabuki dance is choreographed to look like open competition, but there really isn't any. Those who have not been co-opted by this system, like my man Dennis Kucinich, have been marginalized by all the MSM as "unelectable" (or if they start to gain traction, they have an "accident", like the late Sen. Paul Wellstone). Well sure, if you are never given a real shot at media coverage to get your positions out. This is why REAL progressives talk up and look up to the Naders and Kuciniches. They reflect real ideas for helping average people cope and don't just spout platitudes that will be forgotten on Jan. 21, 2009.
I can assure you that I will NEVER vote for Clinton, Obama or Edwards. Fortunately, there is the outlet of the Green Party for those of us to express our displeasure at the lack of real choices in the major corporate parties - until such a time as we can take back the Democratic Party. And if you feel outrage that that will just give another election to the Rethuglicans, well maybe it's going to take some really bitter medicine for the Left to get it's act together and reject the politics of big corporate money and control that has infested what is supposed to be the "people's party" for the past 30 years. You have to realize that the "choice" is not really much of a choice at all. And in order to cleanse the party of the rot that has infested it, all of the corporate players are going to have to lose their power and influence first.
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Posted by: lorenwrigley on Mar 13, 2007 5:25 AM
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But, no, if anyone thinks the rich white elite, and the republican paryt of the Ku Klux Klan, are going to let some n***** (as no doubt they say privately) be president in their lifetime then that anyone are not dealing with reality. Look at what they did to Gore and how they selected Bush. No balck man is going to be president in 2008. Ain't gonaa happen.
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Posted by: Franco33 on Mar 13, 2007 6:23 AM
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America is never going to elect a man with a muslim background as president in 2008.
The electioral system is just a circus to keep the sheeple amused. Money really rules - the US has a plutocracy with a shallow mask of fake democracy.
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Posted by: junclo on Mar 13, 2007 6:47 AM
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Mar 13, 2007 6:50 AM
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Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Mar 13, 2007 6:58 AM
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2) Explain his nomiker 'Hussein' who was one of the most famous Shi'te militant martyr of all time. Distance himself from militant islamic roots.
3) Get out in the open immediately the past and odd life-style of his parents (polygamy, etc.)
4) Stop smoking (tobacco is see as worse than drugs by some types and its a bad crop for the environment.)
5) BE CLEAR ON IRAQ. This alone can distance himself from most Democrats and Republicans.
6) Although named Hussein do not go against AIPAC and do not mention Israeli/Palestine/MiddleEast issues (rascism, apartheid, warmongering, human rights concerns, etc) in any speeches. Just ignore it. Otherwise the lobby will go against you and you will LOSE.
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Posted by: rwa on Mar 13, 2007 7:51 AM
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"We Must Preserve Our Total Commitment to Our Unique Defense Relationship with Israel"
Remarks of Senator Barack Obama
As Prepared for Delivery
AIPAC Policy Forum
March 2, 2007
Chicago, Illinois
[NOTE: Obama's speech was largely written by Mark Lippert, Obama's Senate foreign policy adviser, and Dan Shapiro, a Middle East specialist, now a lobbyist, who is an Obama campaign foreign policy adviser. Shapiro recently was a deputy chief of staff for Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) and handled international affairs for Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). He also served on the National Security Council under former President Bill Clinton.]
full speach
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» Wow, he sounds a lot like Bush here. AGREED
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Posted by: mite on Mar 13, 2007 7:56 AM
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I have sent him 7 letters and research material on issues that concern this republic and my State of Illinois.
Obama has failed to respond to any of them. This avoidence of one of his constituents should tell us what kind of attention he would pay to the people of the U.S.
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Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 13, 2007 8:15 AM
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Obama has ZERO chance at getting the nomination in 2008, or 2012. His 'best bet' is looking ahead to 2016 after which Clinton #2's tenure will likely end (PLEASE BEAR WITH ME HERE: I'm assuming that America is still a democracy in 2016, and that's a stretch). Mrs. Clinton will of course run in 2008, and she may very well lose because she is such a divisive (and plastic) 'political' figure. And, please do not forget that she is, like 99% of America's other politicians, sellouts and slaves to the Israelis & Zionists, international financiers, big-oil interests, big-insurance, big-medicine/pharma, and so forth. Under the Democrats in 2008/09 NOTHING WILL CHANGE IN AMERICA; only the MEDIA's perception of politics and Washington will change a bit because the 'liberal media' is so obviously more sympathetic to the pathetic lapdog Dems.
Also, remember that Obama is (like everyone else) courting not only the "New York money people" (quote: Wesley Clark) but also the ultra-Zionist Hollywood/media elite. Mr. 'Charisma' Obama...come on now; I thought that you stood for a 'New America'...nice try YOU LYING FUCK.
"Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will attend a California fundraiser Tuesday night (02-20-07), hosted by Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen." [among MANY other Hollywood elites; some of the most powerful Zionists in Hollywood/Los Angeles] (Hollywood Money and the Presidential Race).
Oh well: just another "public figure" bought by the Hebrews -- and to think: not even 80-100 years ago these same people (their descendants/tribal bretheren, I mean) were at the forefront of the progressive, radical-leftist, anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, social-justice, and anti-materialist movement (socialism, communism) in Russia, Europe, South America, and even here in America.
AH what a difference about 80 years, A LOT of money, and much spilled blood has made for the Hebrew folk. With these people running the world now through America's financial systems, it looks like there is still MUCH more blood to be spilled and much more capitalist/imperialist conquering (AKA world resource vampirizing) to do.
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Posted by: humanrevolution on Mar 13, 2007 10:33 AM
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It doesn't take a person of wisdom to point out someone's weaknesses. In fact, anyone can do that. However, it takes a truly great and wise person to bring out the strengths of others.
I see so much negativity from people whom I regard as comrades in a struggle to make this country and this world a better place and it concerns me. I know this article may be somewhat idealistic, but it has a key element and that is HOPE. If we are waiting for a perfect person to be elected to office we will be waiting forever. I think Obama shares many progressive ideals, is eager to implement them, has the courage to do so and I think that is what we should focus on. He is a world away from Bush and he someone who is much more likely to listen to people like Kucinich, who in today's society would find it quite hard to get elected as president. If we only focus on what is wrong then that is all we will bring to us and some may dismiss this as simple-minded idealism but I challenge anyone who disagrees to put this to the test. I applaud the writer and I am glad to see such optimism on Alternet. When I think of progressives I think of eternal optimists not bitter pessimists.
I agree that the people must be strict with politicians and keep a watchful eye on the government, but I think the best way to do that is have hope and to work with what is in front of us. It takes steps to reach the ideal and if we become so focused on the end result, the dream we all wish to see, without taking one step at a time-then we will just become lost and give up. Let's take back this country. Obama is not perfect, neither am I, and neither are you but he represents a step in the right direction in my opinion and if he gets the nod from the Dems then I am going to be behind him all the way, while keeping a watchful eye on his actions.
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» Forget the pessimistic assholes
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Posted by: Serenity on Mar 13, 2007 11:04 AM
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Do any of you really still think that there is no difference between Al Gore and George Bush? With Gore there would have been no war in Iraq, no incompetent cronies destroying government agencies and services, no huge tax cuts for the wealthy exacerbating the gap between rich and poor, and there would be a sounder basis for social security and much more.
Making the practical choice makes a difference in people's lives.
Barack is a practical choice. Hillary's fund raising is not everything. After a certain amount, money does not make all the difference. Barack will have enough money (and free media coverage) to get his ideas and positions out effectively. He can and I believe will be elected president.
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Posted by: eyeman on Mar 13, 2007 11:56 AM
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However
Racism is a live and doing really well.
There is a 0% chance in hell that somebody whose middle name is Hussain will become the president of the US. Anybody who thinks he will be president is dreaming.
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Posted by: dondar on Mar 13, 2007 3:54 PM
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Of course, blacks aren't concerned with his voting to reauthorization the patriot act, his pro market, pro corporate agenda, his support of imperialistic foreign policy as long as invasions are "managed" in an effective and efficient way.
His support for the savage and violent occupation in palestine and the occasional destruction of Lebanon. his support of the largest military budget on the planet. His claim that blacks have reached the socioeconomic mainstream, despite mounds of contrary research. He is content with corporate handouts for the rich and market discipline for the poor.
It is insulting to pretend that blacks are more concerned with Obama's "blackness" than his actual views on imperial america. Obama is the media's "golden child" for a reason, he is the next manager of the Corporatocracy who will continue the wealth transfer from the poor to the rich through a repressive corporate nanny state and a militaristic foreign policy.
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Posted by: willdufauve on Mar 13, 2007 4:28 PM
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The Black man, Deval Patrick, a Harvard Law School graduate, and a decent man, gets elected and the media and politicals are crucifying him - started the lynching even before he was sworn in.... Massachusetts - the new Mississippi. Shameful!
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Posted by: opeluboy on Mar 13, 2007 4:41 PM
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No. He's a phony.
As for Clinton, she would have to improve to be a phony.
But since they've both made the right noises for the AIPAC thugs, I'd say both their chances are excellent.
And so are the prospects of serial wars for Israeli hegemony for a long time to come.
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Posted by: dealmeinfo2 on Mar 13, 2007 5:06 PM
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Posted by: lafrance on Mar 13, 2007 6:11 PM
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Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 13, 2007 7:21 PM
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Big Pharma: $10 million contribution=10 million votes
Banking/Credit Card companies:20 million contribution=20
million votes
AIPAC: $100 million in campain contributions (plus stock options) =100 million votes
Chemical/Manufacturing Companies:$200 million in
contributions=200 million votes
Now, all Obama has to do is pick up the Campaign Cash and accept the requisite "strings." If becoming President his "promises" will of course mean no government price controls on Big Pharma, no restrictions on credit card and loan interest rates, unequivocal support of Israel including supplying herwith all the best weaponry useful in killing civilians, and for the Chemical/Manufacturing companies, a watering down and refusal to endorse clean air and water standards and anti-global warming projects.
Plus, for accepting all the above contributions, Obama's total votes are 230,000,000 for Presdient, and he has just won. Why bother with the "formality" of pretend for "average citizens" casting a ballot. The decision is not made at that level.
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Posted by: jwc on Mar 13, 2007 9:38 PM
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All the right AND left RADICALS need to quit fouling up alternet's boards with paranoid, conspiracy-theory, racist RANTS.
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Posted by: Voicedude on Mar 14, 2007 10:04 AM
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The answer is 'yes'. Just not this black man or that woman!
I sincerely believe Colin Powell could have been elected had the GOP not be so gung ho to back the Chimp, asking Colin to step aside and wait. And I'd bet some in the GOP wish they had gone the other way NOW!
And Hilary? Simply unelectable!
If Gore is truly waiting for the right moment to announce, he'd better move fast before the moment passes by! His country needs him, and his party needs him even more! The Dems are about to squander their current advantage by backing these two longshots, the same way they squandered a sure-win over the Chimp in '04 when they chose Kerry!
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Posted by: Jersey Devil on Mar 14, 2007 6:40 PM
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Posted by: spencerh on Mar 15, 2007 2:27 AM
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That said, if I had to choose between Obama and Clinton, I'd choose Obama in a minute.
It's still the politics of lesser evilism, though.
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Posted by: Suzanna17@msn.com on Mar 18, 2007 11:50 PM
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P.S. Un capitalized B in bush is not due to lazy writing practices. No pun intended.
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Posted by: Intraspecto on Mar 13, 2007 12:56 AM
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I listened to Air America radio and heard someone call him a modern Jefferson. I pulled over and puked I was so disgusted...It is almost as bad as Clinton calling herself a "modern JFK". The fact that both of them went to the South to court the black vote and pretend that they had been in the same shoes as those they were trying to court makes me ill. They are just elitists who love power...fuck em' and vote 3rd party...
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Posted by: greekTowner on Mar 13, 2007 1:37 AM
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America needs a multi-party system, period.
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Posted by: robchapman on Mar 13, 2007 4:18 AM
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America is seeking a new political organizing principle.
Obama has already shown himself to be the reigning master of the new political information media: the internet.
If he is successful in articulating a compelling vision of America's shared future, he will not only be President he will be a great President.
Who better to rebuild America's committment to Democracy than a man who personally embodies so many strains of our heritage?
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Posted by: truthteller on Mar 13, 2007 4:45 AM
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Obama most assuredly is under the influence and control of fellow Illiini, Rep. Rahm Emanuel - that is, Israeli-born, rabid Zionist Rahm Emanuel, son of an Israeli intellegence officer.
This whole Kabuki dance is choreographed to look like open competition, but there really isn't any. Those who have not been co-opted by this system, like my man Dennis Kucinich, have been marginalized by all the MSM as "unelectable" (or if they start to gain traction, they have an "accident", like the late Sen. Paul Wellstone). Well sure, if you are never given a real shot at media coverage to get your positions out. This is why REAL progressives talk up and look up to the Naders and Kuciniches. They reflect real ideas for helping average people cope and don't just spout platitudes that will be forgotten on Jan. 21, 2009.
I can assure you that I will NEVER vote for Clinton, Obama or Edwards. Fortunately, there is the outlet of the Green Party for those of us to express our displeasure at the lack of real choices in the major corporate parties - until such a time as we can take back the Democratic Party. And if you feel outrage that that will just give another election to the Rethuglicans, well maybe it's going to take some really bitter medicine for the Left to get it's act together and reject the politics of big corporate money and control that has infested what is supposed to be the "people's party" for the past 30 years. You have to realize that the "choice" is not really much of a choice at all. And in order to cleanse the party of the rot that has infested it, all of the corporate players are going to have to lose their power and influence first.
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Posted by: lorenwrigley on Mar 13, 2007 5:25 AM
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But, no, if anyone thinks the rich white elite, and the republican paryt of the Ku Klux Klan, are going to let some n***** (as no doubt they say privately) be president in their lifetime then that anyone are not dealing with reality. Look at what they did to Gore and how they selected Bush. No balck man is going to be president in 2008. Ain't gonaa happen.
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Posted by: Franco33 on Mar 13, 2007 6:23 AM
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America is never going to elect a man with a muslim background as president in 2008.
The electioral system is just a circus to keep the sheeple amused. Money really rules - the US has a plutocracy with a shallow mask of fake democracy.
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Mar 13, 2007 6:50 AM
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Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Mar 13, 2007 6:58 AM
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2) Explain his nomiker 'Hussein' who was one of the most famous Shi'te militant martyr of all time. Distance himself from militant islamic roots.
3) Get out in the open immediately the past and odd life-style of his parents (polygamy, etc.)
4) Stop smoking (tobacco is see as worse than drugs by some types and its a bad crop for the environment.)
5) BE CLEAR ON IRAQ. This alone can distance himself from most Democrats and Republicans.
6) Although named Hussein do not go against AIPAC and do not mention Israeli/Palestine/MiddleEast issues (rascism, apartheid, warmongering, human rights concerns, etc) in any speeches. Just ignore it. Otherwise the lobby will go against you and you will LOSE.
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Posted by: rwa on Mar 13, 2007 7:51 AM
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"We Must Preserve Our Total Commitment to Our Unique Defense Relationship with Israel"
Remarks of Senator Barack Obama
As Prepared for Delivery
AIPAC Policy Forum
March 2, 2007
Chicago, Illinois
[NOTE: Obama's speech was largely written by Mark Lippert, Obama's Senate foreign policy adviser, and Dan Shapiro, a Middle East specialist, now a lobbyist, who is an Obama campaign foreign policy adviser. Shapiro recently was a deputy chief of staff for Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) and handled international affairs for Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). He also served on the National Security Council under former President Bill Clinton.]
full speach
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Posted by: mite on Mar 13, 2007 7:56 AM
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I have sent him 7 letters and research material on issues that concern this republic and my State of Illinois.
Obama has failed to respond to any of them. This avoidence of one of his constituents should tell us what kind of attention he would pay to the people of the U.S.
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Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 13, 2007 8:15 AM
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Obama has ZERO chance at getting the nomination in 2008, or 2012. His 'best bet' is looking ahead to 2016 after which Clinton #2's tenure will likely end (PLEASE BEAR WITH ME HERE: I'm assuming that America is still a democracy in 2016, and that's a stretch). Mrs. Clinton will of course run in 2008, and she may very well lose because she is such a divisive (and plastic) 'political' figure. And, please do not forget that she is, like 99% of America's other politicians, sellouts and slaves to the Israelis & Zionists, international financiers, big-oil interests, big-insurance, big-medicine/pharma, and so forth. Under the Democrats in 2008/09 NOTHING WILL CHANGE IN AMERICA; only the MEDIA's perception of politics and Washington will change a bit because the 'liberal media' is so obviously more sympathetic to the pathetic lapdog Dems.
Also, remember that Obama is (like everyone else) courting not only the "New York money people" (quote: Wesley Clark) but also the ultra-Zionist Hollywood/media elite. Mr. 'Charisma' Obama...come on now; I thought that you stood for a 'New America'...nice try YOU LYING FUCK.
"Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will attend a California fundraiser Tuesday night (02-20-07), hosted by Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen." [among MANY other Hollywood elites; some of the most powerful Zionists in Hollywood/Los Angeles] (Hollywood Money and the Presidential Race).
Oh well: just another "public figure" bought by the Hebrews -- and to think: not even 80-100 years ago these same people (their descendants/tribal bretheren, I mean) were at the forefront of the progressive, radical-leftist, anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, social-justice, and anti-materialist movement (socialism, communism) in Russia, Europe, South America, and even here in America.
AH what a difference about 80 years, A LOT of money, and much spilled blood has made for the Hebrew folk. With these people running the world now through America's financial systems, it looks like there is still MUCH more blood to be spilled and much more capitalist/imperialist conquering (AKA world resource vampirizing) to do.
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Posted by: humanrevolution on Mar 13, 2007 10:33 AM
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It doesn't take a person of wisdom to point out someone's weaknesses. In fact, anyone can do that. However, it takes a truly great and wise person to bring out the strengths of others.
I see so much negativity from people whom I regard as comrades in a struggle to make this country and this world a better place and it concerns me. I know this article may be somewhat idealistic, but it has a key element and that is HOPE. If we are waiting for a perfect person to be elected to office we will be waiting forever. I think Obama shares many progressive ideals, is eager to implement them, has the courage to do so and I think that is what we should focus on. He is a world away from Bush and he someone who is much more likely to listen to people like Kucinich, who in today's society would find it quite hard to get elected as president. If we only focus on what is wrong then that is all we will bring to us and some may dismiss this as simple-minded idealism but I challenge anyone who disagrees to put this to the test. I applaud the writer and I am glad to see such optimism on Alternet. When I think of progressives I think of eternal optimists not bitter pessimists.
I agree that the people must be strict with politicians and keep a watchful eye on the government, but I think the best way to do that is have hope and to work with what is in front of us. It takes steps to reach the ideal and if we become so focused on the end result, the dream we all wish to see, without taking one step at a time-then we will just become lost and give up. Let's take back this country. Obama is not perfect, neither am I, and neither are you but he represents a step in the right direction in my opinion and if he gets the nod from the Dems then I am going to be behind him all the way, while keeping a watchful eye on his actions.
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Posted by: Serenity on Mar 13, 2007 11:04 AM
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Do any of you really still think that there is no difference between Al Gore and George Bush? With Gore there would have been no war in Iraq, no incompetent cronies destroying government agencies and services, no huge tax cuts for the wealthy exacerbating the gap between rich and poor, and there would be a sounder basis for social security and much more.
Making the practical choice makes a difference in people's lives.
Barack is a practical choice. Hillary's fund raising is not everything. After a certain amount, money does not make all the difference. Barack will have enough money (and free media coverage) to get his ideas and positions out effectively. He can and I believe will be elected president.
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Posted by: eyeman on Mar 13, 2007 11:56 AM
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However
Racism is a live and doing really well.
There is a 0% chance in hell that somebody whose middle name is Hussain will become the president of the US. Anybody who thinks he will be president is dreaming.
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Posted by: dondar on Mar 13, 2007 3:54 PM
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Of course, blacks aren't concerned with his voting to reauthorization the patriot act, his pro market, pro corporate agenda, his support of imperialistic foreign policy as long as invasions are "managed" in an effective and efficient way.
His support for the savage and violent occupation in palestine and the occasional destruction of Lebanon. his support of the largest military budget on the planet. His claim that blacks have reached the socioeconomic mainstream, despite mounds of contrary research. He is content with corporate handouts for the rich and market discipline for the poor.
It is insulting to pretend that blacks are more concerned with Obama's "blackness" than his actual views on imperial america. Obama is the media's "golden child" for a reason, he is the next manager of the Corporatocracy who will continue the wealth transfer from the poor to the rich through a repressive corporate nanny state and a militaristic foreign policy.
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Posted by: willdufauve on Mar 13, 2007 4:28 PM
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The Black man, Deval Patrick, a Harvard Law School graduate, and a decent man, gets elected and the media and politicals are crucifying him - started the lynching even before he was sworn in.... Massachusetts - the new Mississippi. Shameful!
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Posted by: opeluboy on Mar 13, 2007 4:41 PM
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No. He's a phony.
As for Clinton, she would have to improve to be a phony.
But since they've both made the right noises for the AIPAC thugs, I'd say both their chances are excellent.
And so are the prospects of serial wars for Israeli hegemony for a long time to come.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 13, 2007 7:21 PM
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Big Pharma: $10 million contribution=10 million votes
Banking/Credit Card companies:20 million contribution=20
million votes
AIPAC: $100 million in campain contributions (plus stock options) =100 million votes
Chemical/Manufacturing Companies:$200 million in
contributions=200 million votes
Now, all Obama has to do is pick up the Campaign Cash and accept the requisite "strings." If becoming President his "promises" will of course mean no government price controls on Big Pharma, no restrictions on credit card and loan interest rates, unequivocal support of Israel including supplying herwith all the best weaponry useful in killing civilians, and for the Chemical/Manufacturing companies, a watering down and refusal to endorse clean air and water standards and anti-global warming projects.
Plus, for accepting all the above contributions, Obama's total votes are 230,000,000 for Presdient, and he has just won. Why bother with the "formality" of pretend for "average citizens" casting a ballot. The decision is not made at that level.
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Posted by: jwc on Mar 13, 2007 9:38 PM
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All the right AND left RADICALS need to quit fouling up alternet's boards with paranoid, conspiracy-theory, racist RANTS.
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Posted by: Voicedude on Mar 14, 2007 10:04 AM
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The answer is 'yes'. Just not this black man or that woman!
I sincerely believe Colin Powell could have been elected had the GOP not be so gung ho to back the Chimp, asking Colin to step aside and wait. And I'd bet some in the GOP wish they had gone the other way NOW!
And Hilary? Simply unelectable!
If Gore is truly waiting for the right moment to announce, he'd better move fast before the moment passes by! His country needs him, and his party needs him even more! The Dems are about to squander their current advantage by backing these two longshots, the same way they squandered a sure-win over the Chimp in '04 when they chose Kerry!
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Posted by: Jersey Devil on Mar 14, 2007 6:40 PM
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Posted by: spencerh on Mar 15, 2007 2:27 AM
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That said, if I had to choose between Obama and Clinton, I'd choose Obama in a minute.
It's still the politics of lesser evilism, though.
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Posted by: Suzanna17@msn.com on Mar 18, 2007 11:50 PM
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P.S. Un capitalized B in bush is not due to lazy writing practices. No pun intended.
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