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Even Republicans Hate Our Health Care System

By David Moberg, In These Times. Posted March 12, 2007.


Our health care system has gotten so bad that even Republicans acknowledge that it's broken -- so what's the best way to deal with it?

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Like the creature from the Black Lagoon, the health insurance monster has returned, creeping back onto the public stage. After President Clinton's jury-rigged pen to contain the monster collapsed in 1994, it never really went away. Political leaders tried to ignore the beast or deal piecemeal with its ravages, but it pushed more unsuspecting civilians into the uninsured pit, devoured more family budgets, squeezed even giant corporations' ability to compete globally, and raised fear and insecurity among the populace.

Now its depredations have become too loathsome to ignore for even cautious politicians and business executives -- who still are inclined to see the monster as one of their own. After a rebuff in the fall elections, when voters ranked health care as one of their top concerns, President Bush offered a plan that almost certainly would not deliver his promise of "quality, affordable health care for all Americans."

Recently, chief executives like Lee Scott of Wal-Mart -- under attack for its skimpy health insurance coverage of employees -- and Steve Burd of Safeway -- which endured a long strike by southern California grocery workers to cut their health insurance -- joined progressive leaders like Service Employees Industrial Union (SEIU) President Andy Stern, head of the nation's largest health workers union, to call for major changes in the health care system. Under fire from both other labor unions and many citizen health care groups for joining with strange bedfellows on behalf of very broad principles, Stern argues that "the most essential change is to get everyone in a system where they have health care," then work to improve it.

Although the war in Iraq is likely to dominate the already energetic Democratic presidential primary race, health care is emerging as the leading domestic issue in both parties. Shortly after announcing his candidacy, John Edwards laid out a comprehensive health care plan. Barack Obama said that the nation should provide universal insurance coverage by the end of the next president's term, though so far he has mostly advocated for minor and politically easy reforms, like computerizing health records. Republican candidate Mitt Romney signed a flawed plan for universal health care when he was governor of Massachusetts, and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, after vetoing statewide single-payer legislation passed last year, has his own health insurance plan.

There's reason for hope when leaders across the political spectrum recognize the problem. But there's no guarantee that such agreement will lead to a good solution. For more than a decade, conventional wisdom has dictated that only incremental steps should be taken. Now more politicians are willing to consider bolder steps -- but the right is still determined to push its agenda. And many progressive reformers are cautious about pursuing their ideals, as they continue to nurse scars from the fight business interests waged against the Clinton plan.

"Overwhelmingly, people are trying to find incremental responses instead of a national response," says Marilyn Clement, national coordinator of Healthcare-NOW, a coalition advocating a public insurance program as the single payer of health care bills. "They are still putting forward the same proposals as last summer, such as 'The first step is to get national health care for children.' Well, that's good, but we won the election. It's time to escalate our hopes."

The first crucial step is to define the problem. For many people, it's the rising number of Americans without health insurance, now nearly 47 million. But equally problematic is the decline in quality and scope of coverage for those who have insurance. And much of the public ranks the cost of health care as their top medical and economic concern. Focusing primarily on insuring everyone won't necessarily solve those problems. Indeed, the skyrocketing cost of health care is the main reason that the ranks of the uninsured continue to grow. Faced with rising insurance premiums, businesses have been trying to cut costs by evading responsibility for providing health insurance, leading Stern to declare that "the employer-based health care system is dead."

But the more fundamental problem is our reliance on private, for-profit corporations to provide health insurance -- the real monster in this saga. They're the main reason for rising costs (making health insurance in the United States about twice as expensive as in most industrial countries), for the growing number of uninsured, and for the inferior health results for the average American. In 2004, the United States spent $6,100 per capita on health care, compared to $2,250 per capita on average by the countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which have national health insurance programs. Because public expenditures cover 60 percent of American health care costs, U.S. taxpayers are paying more than the cost of national health insurance, but not receiving it.


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David Moberg, a senior editor of In These Times, has been on the staff of the magazine since it began publishing. Before joining In These Times, he completed his work for a Ph.D. in anthropology at the University of Chicago and worked for Newsweek. Recently he has received fellowships from the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation and the Nation Institute for research on the new global economy.

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Workers...
Posted by: Intraspecto on Mar 12, 2007 12:07 AM   
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As long as corporate America has control of congress, the worker will be trashed. It does not matter which party is in power, because they all feed from the same hand, and nobody wants to bite it.

Then, there is the issue that it is typical for humanity to only do what is needed to get by. This too will continue, and on top of that, as long as Americans want their crap cheap from boxmart, it will stay the same...oh yeah, did I mention a liberal arts degree is useless in todays marketplace? No refuge there...

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» RE: Workers... Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: Workers... Posted by: EagleMB
Even Republicans Hate Our Health Care System?
Posted by: ahmlco on Mar 12, 2007 12:48 AM   
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Of course. Employers pay a significant portion of it, it impacts their bottom line, as such it theoretically affects their ability to compete in global markets due to higher costs. Shifting more--if not all-of the burden to government and to a "universal" system let's them reduce those costs and become more price competitive.

Or more likely, to keep charging us the same prices on reduced costs, with the difference again going to the bottom line. This time as profit.

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» Off my side... Posted by: ahmlco
I know!
Posted by: Temporary on Mar 12, 2007 1:13 AM   
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It's those white baby boomers...

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On The Other Hand
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 12, 2007 4:46 AM   
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The only thing scarier than the current racket of health care delivery and insurance is the thought that the current crop of politipimps in D.C. could actually get a chance to author legislation that would define our nation's healthcare for decades to come.

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» RE: On The Other Hand Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: On The Other Hand Posted by: Lincoln fan
My father died last thursday so let me tell you
Posted by: greentime on Mar 12, 2007 5:34 AM   
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what I now know about our health care "system".

1. What system? There is NO system.

2. My fathers primary care physician was at best an egomaniac. He knew nothing about geriatric care. He made it difficult for my aging father (and mother) at every turn. He also told the family that older people with dementia could drive and that old people did not cause car accidents. On top of that, he totally missed the brain tumor that actually killed my father. He also knew nothing about Alzheimer's.

3. At the end, despite having long term care insurance, my father required 24/7 care. The "care-givers" got about $9.25 an hour, the agency charged $20.75. The first person sent in was abusive and morose. She handled my father carelessly. She pontificated to the family about how we weren't facing his death - in front of him. We were just trying to make things pleasant, we knew he was dying. It was horrible. Her replacement was much better but the damage had been done.

3. Hospice. I know many people have had great care with Hospice. In our case, once the hospital bed was delivered, the Hospice service dropped the ball and when my father really needed pain management, the Hospice person was delayed in traffic. He died, with pain.

4. Long Term Care insurance - what a scam! Their 100 day "elimination period" was just enough to eliminate them having to pay for just about anything. $50,000.00 worth of payments netted $1800 worth of "benefits". They didn't even bump up to the last $25 bucks of value, keeping it instead for their corporation. How nice.

I know I am not the only one finding this out these days. I agree that there is no real government anymore, neither party will do anything different.

Maybe we should take more notice when government supporteed American corporations move to Dubai. Oh yeah, what government?

If we had a democracy, it would provide excellent health care for it's citizens.
DEMOS=people

But we forgot to make a democracy.

My father worked, served and died an American citizen. Didn't he deserve healthcare? Don't we all?

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Concern about health care delivered through our government
Posted by: Lizmv on Mar 12, 2007 6:09 AM   
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As a Massachusetts resident, come July of this year, I will be forced to purchase health insurance. As a low income, self-employed individual, I qualify for a subsidized plan. It will be a plan that provides me with all kinds of coverage I will never use (at post menopausal 53 I need coverage for pregnancy and fertility treatments?????) and it will not cover the alternative care I already use for a chronic disease.

However, my largest concern is "- The program grants enormous power to special interest groups to collect health care data on all citizens, and imposes stiff fines on health care providers who fail to fully share "confidential" patient data. It's unclear with whom patient data may be shared or who holds legal ownership of the data."

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» And another thing Posted by: Lizmv
And the growing number of self-employed?
Posted by: iwantchange on Mar 12, 2007 6:30 AM   
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We aren't all able to work for Microsoft or Google. Some of us must survive as freelancers. This seems to be a growing trend in cities like New York. Many companies don't provide insurance benefits or would rather hire outside services so they are not required to provide benefits. So often insurance premiums for regular employees are a pre-tax deduction out of their pay and are very expensive.
But the bigger issues are the corrupted corporations and the style of healthcare in the west in general.
I went to the emergency room for stitches on my fingers. The bill, mostly covered by insurance, listed crutches $85 as once of the charges. Crutches for what? Some of the other charges, I didn't understand, were also questionable. I contacted trhe hospital - and the administrator asked, "so you didn't have crutches?" I contacted the insurance company and was met with complete indifference, as in "why do I care what the bill states?" Well, someone got paid $85 for crutches never used. My guess is, in the end, I paid for that through a high insurance premium.
Secondly, doctors in America are bought by pharmaceutical companies. They push drugs on patients but never push wellness. TV ads push drugs for every symptom under the sun, convincing viewers that their lives will improve with tiny purple pills. This of course is followed by some high fat food commercial. Nutrition and wellness and healthy overall lifestyle, if stressed, would improve the general health of the public. Instead we are pushed to live unhealthy lives and sold drugs to temporarily relieve symptoms or mask problems. Everytime my doctor subscribes some med, I think some pharmaceutical company gave him comp tickets to a Yankees game. Alternative, Wellness and Nutritionist doctors most often do not take insurance. This is sad.

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» Free marketeers Posted by: eddie torres
hartsmart
Posted by: hartsmart on Mar 12, 2007 6:42 AM   
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Health care? The crual joke!-- and no relief in sight--- Unless we commit to prevention, the only means to avoid the medical establishment. FDA's pyramid food guide, against all expectationes, became the slippery slope into obesity, greens and grains are fattening!
Have a look at hartsmartliving.com-- free common sense you can live by.

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» RE: hartsmart Posted by: Mamarianne
» RE: hartsmart Posted by: Krain61
» RE: hartsmart Posted by: EagleMB
haves and have nots
Posted by: Mamarianne on Mar 12, 2007 7:24 AM   
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Isn't it ironic that in the midst of the Walter Reed scandal, Vice President Cheney makes headlines with the prompt, high quality treatment he received almost immediately after he noticed a problem with his leg? The working poor would not have had that option. So often easily treated conditions are left untreated until they become so dire that intervention--now more expensive--cannot be put off. How many of us are tied to jobs by health insurance? The Massachusetts legislation is no solution. Mandating the purchase of insurance by workers who can little afford these premiums has and will result in highly advertised, poor quality products that charge workers for minimal, inadequate coverage.

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» RE: haves and have nots Posted by: disc golf
» Vaccination. Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Vaccination. Posted by: disc golf
» RE: Vaccination. Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: haves and have nots Posted by: Krain61
Welfare for insurace companies!
Posted by: CriminallySane on Mar 12, 2007 7:40 AM   
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All the "mandatory purchase" plans are is welfare for the insurance industry.

It's also worth remembering here that the primary function of an insurance company is not "coverage" or "loss prevention" or "risk management', rather, it's generating investment capital. That's why, when the Dow and NASDAQ dropped after the Bush Recession began, insurance rates went up. Paying claims is at best, a nuisance they try to avoid.

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Eliminate Health Insurance Companies and have severe Tort Reform
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Mar 12, 2007 7:54 AM   
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and you'll go along way to curing the system. We should also make illegal drug commericals. The USA HAS UNIVERSAL COVERAGE CURRENTLY, its just an ad-hoc, bad system. Many people do not realise this. But the Federal courts have decided that everyone is entitled to health care. Unfortunately, this results in many people going (especially self-employed, homeless, poor, and illegal aliens) to Emergency Rooms and, often, waiting until their condition is dire. Since by court decision we have a universal system then we should make it a good one! The US system is priced higher than other countries to 3 main reasons:
1) insurance companies
2) malpractice lawsuit system
3) drug companies

We should:
1) break the link between health insurance and private employment. This will make our companies more competitive also and provide health care for those who change jobs, in school, unemployed, homemakers, self-employed, addicts/homeless, etc.

2) we should eliminate shyster malpractice lawsuits. If a doctor/nurse/hospital is incompetent, or does something illegal, they should be punished by the government (fined, unlicensed, arrested.) The victim should be entitled to some compensation based on the injury and loss-of-work. But the punitive damages should go to the general healthcare fund. Not the victim and the shyster. The trials should take place in special courts or boards made up of real experts so lawyers can't befuddle some jury with no knowledge of science.

3) we should still have private doctors/clinics if people wish to pay, themselves, for private insurance or cash then they should still be able to do so. Freedom of choice. But they get no tax breaks for it, employers cannot provide it, and they can't use public hospitals for operations, appointments, etc.

4) eliminate commericals for prescription drugs. Curtail lobbying by drug companies. If they have bad studies, fake evidence, hurt people, etc then they should be fined, arrested, etc and punitive damages goes to general health care fund. Again a trial takes place with real experts, not lay people bamboozled by shyster attorneys.

5) government funds health care for all US citizens. Any illegal aliens are treated but then sent back home immediately upon cure and a bill sent to their home country (I know it won't be paid but at least it makes a statement.)

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Why Children First to be Insured?
Posted by: patvic1405 on Mar 12, 2007 8:19 AM   
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I suppose, from what I hear, that kids today are not as healthy as kids were 60 years ago - before junk food and air pollution and when we still played outside instead of vegetating on a couch in front of a tv for hours every day. But it seems to me that in general children are still less likely to need expensive medical care than adults from say, age 40 to 65. Yet every proposal seems to say we need to insure the kids first. No. We need to insure their parents.

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2 out of 2 Economists support Edwards plan
Posted by: chaoslegs on Mar 12, 2007 8:39 AM   
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Paul Krugman and Dean Baker both support Edwards plan. You can read about them here and here.

If you really want to understand many of the issues in health care, then I suggest you read's Paul Krugman's piece in the NY Book of Reviews from March 23, 2006. It is long, 18 pages when I printed it last year.

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Health Care Death Spiral
Posted by: cinattra on Mar 12, 2007 8:45 AM   
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We're in a health care death spiral. The number of uninsured go up and their medical costs are passed on to those who have private insurance and to those who have to pay out of pocket.

We will not be able to eliminate our uninsured without some baseline form of single payer insurance. The poorest of us will not spend their scarce resources on health care if they have greater needs of housing and food.

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» RE: Health Care Death Spiral Posted by: richholland
IMHO
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 12, 2007 9:24 AM   
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The biggest problem, if not the only problem, is that our two political parties are controlled by the corporate establishment.

Until this problem is solved. We won't see publicly financed health care, publically financed elections, or any expansion of public services. Instead we'll see the pressure for further privatization of public schools, roads, water supplies, jails, and anything else that can turn a profit. And when we reach this goal of the corporatocracy every privatized public service will be like our present healthcare system. It will cost as much as possible and deliver as little as possible.

Because the establishment controls both parties, I don't believe that our problems can be solved by elections. We can vote either party out but the corporatocracy remains in power. I believe that the voters must take control of the platforms of both parties before the election.

I think that this can be done easily with a grassroots movement using the proven tactics of the labor unions and the boycott.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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» RE: IMHO Posted by: Krain61
No mystery
Posted by: Landbaron on Mar 12, 2007 9:41 AM   
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Experts point to the main cause of the failure -- a private insurance bureaucracy that soaks up nearly one-third of all healthcare dollars in waste, profits, paperwork, commissions and advertising.
Insurance companies don't treat or heal patients; they just suck the healthcare system dry of hundreds of billions of dollars.

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» One point. Posted by: Lincoln fan
You Read It Here First!
Posted by: rboska48 on Mar 12, 2007 10:25 AM   
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Using hard data from NIH, other governmental and academic sources, an appropriately representative body - all current lobbying groups should be included with the threat of expulsion if uncooperative - call it Central Health Planning Group (CHPG) -would design & periodically revise a limited number of health care approaches or plans. For example, one approach could be self insurance with catastrophic coverage. Another might be emphasis on prevention, inclusion of selective "alternative" treatments but exclusion of expensive high tech treatments whose efficacy is either not yet proven or only marginally more effective than lower cost alternatives. A third could be comfort or Hospice care.

A separate agency, say Federal Healthcare Services (FHS)would then contract exclusive rights for each plan for a region of the country to an organization - call it a regional healthcare approach provider (RHAP) that would in turn subcontract with appropriate providers for that region. For example, Blue Cross HealthNet might get the contract to provide "Cost Efficient Only" care to the Northeast.

Citizens would select one of the approaches for their region & pay an amount based on type of care selected & income as part of their federal income tax. Identification for care would be by means of a federal health ID# which would connect providers to a regional secure electronic record. A limited number of plans with well described features could provide more understandable and real choices of coverage.

Market forces would be applied through the RHAPs, former large HMOs & private insurers competing for the regional contracts and subcontracting with individual providers. Excessive profits by withholding or delaying covered services might be limited by FHS releasing withhold payments based on contracted RHAP performance measures(a taste of their own PPF).

Health care providers would benefit from simplification of the billing process especially with easy access to reference services covered by a particular approach. Additional benefit would be by FHS contracts including standardized forms.

I believe that the overall effectiveness of such a system would be increased greatly by approaches that rewarded individuals for participation and organizations for success. For example, a smoking asthmatic's income tax health surcharge would be less with documented attendance at a smoking cessation program and the program would receive bonuses based on documented quit rates.

There would be, of course, many problems with such a system. But, in general, some system that includes payment through one party with the power to set standards, to limit excess profits & to include all our citizens, but retains rewards for participation & performance would take us away from our current system, most expensive per capita yet 30 to 50th in most population health statistics.

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» Who is the financier? Posted by: eddie torres
angryspittle
Posted by: Vinnie on Mar 12, 2007 10:41 AM   
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Why the hell doesn't anyone EVER mention Ca. State Senator Sheila Kuehl's proposal, California One, when speaking about health reform? It is, by far, the most comprehensive single payer proposal on any table and everyone ignores it.

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» RE: angryspittle Posted by: CatDad
Many Republicans hate the Iraq War too
Posted by: CatDad on Mar 12, 2007 10:46 AM   
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...Yet you don’t see the soldiers packing their bags to come home...

I hypothesize that any meaningful health care reform will fail for at lease one more decade...Here’s why: The corporate mainstream media will be able to control the debate on this topic. Translation: The mainstream media will show, in continuous loop, the stories of the handful of people in Canada who have died while on a waiting list for an operation. This will be how the debate on universal coverage in the USA will be framed...the entire debate will focus on this one issue and they'll be able to kill off debate on governement-sponsored universal converage.

Any sort of universal coverage will have to come with the blessing of America’s health insurance and pharmaceutical industries... meaning a vastly inefficient, profit (and not health) driven system.

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Credit vrs Deduction
Posted by: JSquercia on Mar 12, 2007 12:45 PM   
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Ever notice how the Republican plans' always favor Tax Deductions rather than Tax Credits . A deduction is more useful to higher income Taxpayers but a credit treats all tax
Payers the same by reducing the actual Tax owed dollar for dollar and better still s REFUNDABLE Credit would actually
pay the money even if no tax were owed .

The Insurance and Drug Industry MUST be worried I have started seeing Ads touting how competition is working and urging that we NOT allow the Government to set drug prices .
Isn't it interesting that they NEVER talk about the subsidies provided to the Insurance comapnies to provide Medicare
coverage under both part B and part D . This goes on even as they tell us just how wonderful Private Insurance is as compared with Medicare .

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United Nations Natural Remedies Database
Posted by: metamind on Mar 12, 2007 12:48 PM   
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Where is it? I tried to find it a few years ago and again today. I know it exists because I talked with someone at the World Health Organization. he said it hadn't been released yet. Well, supposedly they have collected natural remedies from all over the world. Where is the database?

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The joys of self-doctoring...
Posted by: morticia on Mar 12, 2007 1:20 PM   
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I'm a freelance writer and one of those 47,000,000 uninsureds. A couple of weeks ago I was chopping kindling with a small but wickedly sharp hatchet, and hacked my finger gruesomely. The very first thought that followed, before the blood even had a chance to flow, was: "This is going to be expensive." The next thought, so fast behind the first that it was still pre-blood, was: "I'll take care of it myself." So I pressed my thumb to the gash, hard, and kept it on there for a couple of hours. When I was pretty sure the blood wouldn't gush, I lifted my thumb and had a good look at the wound: An inch-long V-shaped flap of skin with raw meat underneath. I poured peroxide over it, which made a Mentos-and-Coke-like bloody pinkish froth. I put antibacterial salve on it, wrapped it snugly with gauze and had a shot of whiskey. With stitches, which is what they'd have done for sure at the emergency room (for several thousand dollars), it would have healed in a few days. But it would have been a whole lot less interesting. Watching it repair itself without stitches has been like having my own little Discovery Channel show right there on my hand. I look at it every day with a magnifying glass. It's been fascinating to watch how the tissue is renewing itself from underneath, to watch the new skin growing in to fill the borders of the "V," and to observe the interesting changes of color, texture, tenderness and skin temperature. Just think of how great it's going to be when I do my own appendectomy, amputation or cataract surgery! I'm really looking forward to it!

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» RE: The joys of self-doctoring... Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: The joys of self-doctoring... Posted by: Lincoln fan
dealing with a three-headed monster
Posted by: zooeyhall on Mar 12, 2007 1:34 PM   
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In my view, it will be a miracle if we get universal health coverage or medicare-for-all. The reason: it is not only one problem we are dealing with. We have a monster with three heads:

1) the need for universal health care

2) the need for campaign finance reform

3) the need to reform corporate meda concentration

The first one will never be successfully tackled until the latter two are dealt with simultaneously.

Where is St. George when you need him?

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» Miracle not needed. Posted by: Lincoln fan
NO COUNTRY ON PLANET HAS FIGURED HEALTHCARE OUT
Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 12, 2007 1:41 PM   
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Thanks David Moberg for the article and recognizing we have a real window born out of crisis to act on meaningful health care reform

You are correct about the incrementalists trying to stop bold national reform citing potential severe dislocations of a $2 trillion dollar"disease care"economy

I am a physician-forecaster-blogger.

I am convinced that individual annd institutional prevention resulting in reduced demand for expensive high tech medical services is our only way out of this mess.

Other nations are discovering this reality also.

My blog is http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com since Dec 05

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa

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help us
Posted by: greggwyck on Mar 12, 2007 2:37 PM   
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all of you are missing the point. we had no choice. i did not have a choice to go. because everyone with a pea for a brain , did notwant to go to war. we were forced to fight. politics had nothing to do with it. when it comes down you you or me going home at the end of the day. sorry bro. but we did what we had to do to go home and make sure my buddies come home too. but many didnt. they were closer to me than my oun brother. their is a bond of dependence and loyalty that you will never understand. maybe i was the only one to experience that feeling. but any time you end a life, it is a tragety, a wrong, a crime, even in war killing iss wrong and being able to walk that path has shown a light that will not be extinguished. we all have our path of enlightenment. and when on the beaten trail it is hard to see the other side of the trail. the people sent us their bush could not have done it wihtout you support. and yes all of you in one way or another supported the war. you may have said in your head or to a friend that it was wrong but you didnt do anything about it. you. thats right you reading this. you allowed the war to happen. it is not the falt of one it is the falt of everyone. we all failed even me. we did not do what is in our hearts and we have still left it undone. my brothers are their and i can not stop them from being killed. more of us are dieing everyday and we let it happen. we have not stop anything with our words. it will only take action to end this. it will not be protest. it is a revolution that can change the war from here on out. you will not take up arms. you all are cowards. otherwise we would all be in dc killing the real threat to this country. from the top on down. we need to overthrow our leaders and make their blood fill the streets. we only need to kill a few and keep killing one at a time untill they decide to leave iraq. but not just them. we would have to kill their wife's, their children, their neighbors and them. but none of us have the constution to carry out that plan. we can show these men of fear what real fear is. but we need more than 500 cells of 20 people. all armed and all with names and addresses and in a swoop in the night we take them all. all our represenatives and their famlies. we drive tem to the washingtom memoral and execute as many as it takes till we bring our brothers home.

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my country
Posted by: greggwyck on Mar 12, 2007 2:38 PM   
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to whom it may concern:
My name is greggory wyckoff and i am a vetern of the iraq war. i have just finshed reading the article about how our vets are not receiving healthcare and disability. it is amazing to see an article that relays the truth of what it is like to be stuck in our system and have no answers, no one to help guide us threw to get us the help we so need. yet i have contacted my congressman "jordan of ohio" yet the only thing i get is a questionaire in the mail when reguarding my healthcare this guy clearley is for the war and not spending any money to help thouse of us coming back with am jacked up in the head or body. in the article where flashbacks occure. i to have had difficulty controling the intrusive thaughts. some times they overwhelm me to the point i have to leave where ever i am. i seek isolation. i lose my self in booze. my emotions run deep and all of a sudden nothing my girlfriend and maybe someday my wife has stood by me untill she left yesterday and tries to stop the war i seem to be waging on my self. we are outed out of the military and no one seems to care what we did over there and what were going threw. all the death everyday. the strugle we face when we look in the mirror everyday and know that because of your actions people are dead. yes there on the other side but it is still a human life that ripped out of this world over politics. my ankle has been broken twice while i was in the military the second time in iraq. i have a puncture wound in my side and burns on my arms. needless to say i am not the man i was before i went to iraq. every day is a strugle. even employment is hard. there are days i just want it all to stop and put a bullet in threw my brain. but i digress. i cant seem to hold dowd a job when in my past i have always had a great work ethic. then there are these dreams. there so real and now they involve people in my life dieing in iraq and i visualize my little brother there or my girl dead. its not just memories of what happened over there, there now being incorperated in my every day life. it just dosent seem to be getting better. people just dont seem to care. i never thaught in a million years that the freedom i was protecting is the same freedom that dosent give a shit for it's protectors. dont get me wrong i love my country so much, i would fight for it, die for it, but only when absolutly necessary. a year after i returned from iraq i sought mentel health for an asortment of problems like uncontrollable crying anger depression etc. the corps dont allow for weekness. to admit you need help from another is uneceptable... was taught that. but after being instutationalizes for a 4 week program. i was discharged and havent been given any medical asistance since. i feel pain in my dreams, i know it sound weird but i wake up and i can still feel the sting of bullets flowing threw my body. some time i dream about the time my windshield was shot out by small arms fire. for days i was pulling little shards of glass out of my face. i know i need help before i take someones life out in anger. oh yea i get angry. and some times its hard to stop my self. but i have been in a few fight's. i beat the crap out of this guy in front of a bar for pushing me. i just snapped and he ended up with like 20 stiches to his face. i was defending my self and even the police arrested him for assult. but i really hurt that guy. i have always been a pasafist. i even was a corpsman (medic) in the military. i figured if i was going to be part of a war machine be on the side that helps people. i just need to know who do i have to talk to to get some help. no one has any information on how to help me before i end my self. help me someone
http://www.myspace.com/greggwyckoff

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» RE: my country Posted by: morticia
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A public and private system is the only solution
Posted by: dayahka on Mar 12, 2007 3:51 PM   
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Right now, we have the usual dualism in health care suggestions: (1) one group wants government insurance, and (2) the other wants private insurance systems.

It is clearly obvious that we need both.

First, we need a universal health care system to take care of emergencies, contagious diseases, and long-term preventable health care needs. This part should be sponsored and controlled by the government.

Second, we need private health insurance on a voluntary basis for all health needs related to preventable--but unprevented--health care needs. A universal health care system should not have to pay for someone's new heart or lungs because of smoking or gluttonous eating. You want to take risks, you buy insurance to cover your own expenses.

Once we have a two part system--public and private--we'll have lower costs. In addition, we need to lower drug costs by using more natural medicines--the kinds that cannot be patented and monopolized by the pharma companies. We also need to make the pharma companies pay for all side-effects of of their artificial drugs. And we also need to realize that just because some medical procedure is available does not mean one has the right to it. Instead of "Do no Harm," the health care provider system has become "Make more money".

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The time has come
Posted by: willymack on Mar 12, 2007 5:09 PM   
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For a national single-payer universal health care progam, modeled on Medicare. We can debate the pros & cons endlessly, while Big Medicine and Big Pharma continue to rake in obscene profits, or we can initiate a national plan. Other countries may have their problems, but these problems are a KNOWN FACTOR, and can be avoided when forming our own program. Any problems we may encounter will almost certainly be caused by the greedy bastards who control the system now. They should be written out of the new plan and put in jail for any obstruction. There is much criticism of government programs as inefficient, but no one can debate the fact that Social Security is the best run government entity by far. This is a matter of record, despite the oft-repeated lies of the neocons and their puppets in Washington. A national health care system administered by Social Security, through Medicare is a good place to start. We can fine tune the program as we go-just as we did with Social security.

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We have WAAAAAAY too many Jewish medical 'professionals' (continued)
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 13, 2007 6:34 AM   
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(continued from above)

Just check the enrollment figures for Jews in medical schools (or law schools, or business schools...), or browse the directory of a hospital's physician list, or acquire a list of hospital managers or 'hospital entrepreneurs' and you'll see and understand it as well...there they are, the Jews, spoiling and raping the system for their own personal profit, MASSES of them crawling to and fro in the shadows like a bunch of Kafka cockroaches. It is even more of a slap-in-the-face when one realizes that medicine is supposed to be about helping PEOPLE -- but NO, OH NO...these Jew doctors don't see PEOPLE, they see walking cash-cows (i.e. Gentiles) and nothing more. Do you all think for a second that these Jewish doctors prescribe all of those pills and surgeries to their Jewish patients? NO WAY -- when it comes to their fellow members of The Tribe they 'cure' them as soon as possible in order to save them money and time...they do not covet Jewish money unless they are desperate -- they only lust after the easy Gentile money which they gather via 'extended treatment' methods.

With the vastly inflated numbers of Jewish physicians and medical professionals now swelling the American medical system for the past few decades, the system has now become entirely unsustainable (BEEP: life-functions critical!) because nearly all of them bow down to big-pharma for personal profit and take on hundreds if not thousands of 'patients' in order to extort and extract as much money as they can from big-government-insurance and big-private-insurance because, REMEMBER, it is all about personal gain and profit for them...the 'human element' no longer matters as much as their three homes, those green-green golf courses on weekends in their pristine gated communities, the Ivy League tuition bill(s) for their kids, the long vacations in sunny Israel, the German luxury cars, and so forth.

You all must also understand that this is basically a huge Ponzi scheme, blatant robbery on a MASSIVE (indeed, GOVERNMENTAL) scale which they run with their fellow tribe members in public AND private insurance, big-pharma, medical litigation, American food industries, etc. Notice also that Jews are vastly over-represented in insurance, law (inc. medical litigation), big-pharma, and the BAD food industries, along with most other health-destroying and addictive industries (alcohol, cigarettes, the legal AND illegal drug trade).

Please, begin to understand the Jew and their corrosive influence on Gentile societies, as this model can easily be applied to other 'Jew laden' industries as well -- only then can we begin to root them out.

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