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Why Sexist Language Matters

By Sherryl Kleinman, AlterNet. Posted March 12, 2007.


Gendered words and phrases like "you guys" may seem small compared to issues like violence against women, but changing our language is an easy way to begin overcoming gender inequality.
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Originally printed in the Center Line, a newsletter of the Orange County Rape Crisis Center.

For years I've been teaching a sociology course at the University of North Carolina on gender inequality. I cover such topics as the wage gap, the "second shift" (of housework and childcare) that heterosexual women often do in the home, the "third shift" (women's responsibility for intimate relationships with men), compulsory heterosexuality, the equation of women's worth with physical attractiveness, the sexualizing of women in the media, lack of reproductive rights for women (especially poor women), sexual harassment and men's violence against women.

My course makes links among items on that list. For example, if women are expected to take care of housework and children, then they cannot compete as equals with men in the workplace; if men see women largely as sex objects and servers, then it is hard for men to see women as serious workers outside the home; if women are taught that it is their job to take care of relationships with men, they may be blamed for breakups; if women are economically dependent on men, they may stay with abusive male partners; if women prefer intimacy with women, men may harass or violate them. What I've left off the list is the issue that both women and men in my classes have the most trouble understanding -- or, as I see it, share a strong unwillingness to understand -- sexist language.

I'm not referring to such words as "bitch," "whore" and "slut." What I focus on instead are words that students consider just fine: male (so-called) generics. Some of these words refer to persons occupying a position: postman, chairman, freshman, congressman, fireman. Other words refer to the entire universe of human beings: "mankind" or "he." Then we've got manpower, manmade lakes and "Oh, man, where did I leave my keys?" There's "manning" the tables in a country where children learn that "all men are created equal." The most insidious, from my observations, is the popular expression "you guys." Please don't tell me it's a regional term. I've heard it in the Triangle, New York, Chicago, San Francisco and Montreal. I've seen it in print in national magazines, newsletters and books. And even if it were regional, that doesn't make it right. I'll bet we can all think of a lot of practices in our home regions that we'd like to get rid of.

I sound defensive. I know. But that's because I've so often heard (and not only from students) ... What's the big deal? Why does all this "man-ning" and "guys-ing" deserve a place in my list of items of gender inequality and justify taking up inches of space in the newsletter of a rape crisis center?

Because male-based generics are another indicator -- and more importantly, a reinforcer -- of a system in which "man" in the abstract and men in the flesh are privileged over women. Some say that language merely reflects reality and so we should ignore our words and work on changing the unequal gender arrangements that are reflected in our language. Well, yes, in part.

It's no accident that "man" is the anchor in our language and "woman" is not. And of course we should make social change all over the place. But the words we use can also reinforce current realities when they are sexist (or racist or heterosexist). Words are tools of thought. We can use words to maintain the status quo or to think in new ways -- which in turn creates the possibility of a new reality. It makes a difference if I think of myself as a "girl" or a "woman"; it makes a difference if we talk about "Negroes" or "African-Americans." Do we want a truly inclusive language or one that just pretends?

Before I discuss how benign-sounding words like "freshman" and "you guys" reinforce the gender inequalities on my list, above, let me tell you about an article that made a difference in my own understanding of sexist language.

In 1986 Douglas Hofstadter, a philosopher, wrote a parody of sexist language by making an analogy with race. His article ("A Person Paper on Purity in Language") creates an imaginary world in which generics are based on race rather than gender. In that world, people would use "freshwhite," "chairwhite" and yes, "you whiteys." People of color would hear "all whites are created equal" -- and be expected to feel included. Substituting "white" for "man" makes it easy to see why using "man" for all human beings is wrong. Yet, women are expected to feel flattered by "freshman," "chairman" and "you guys."


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Sherryl Kleinman teaches in the Department of Sociology at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

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Everything matters . . .
Posted by: keres on Mar 12, 2007 1:37 AM   
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especially language.

There are things for which there are no ready words, things which can only be talked around or hinted at, or for which the "barrowed" words feel awkward or carry no legitimacy. As a woman with a female partner, I have no word for my "significant other": lover, partner, spouse - none of them carry the weight or legitimacy of "wife". This is not a simple omission, nor is it without real consequences.

In Scaldic the the word "man" meant woman. Man's close linguistic kin are the feminine manna, moon, mama, and the old english minnie, whose troubadors, the Minnie Singers, sang about their love for the feminine, both earthly and divine. The corresponding Scaldic word for man was were, which survives in werewolf (manwolf). I can only speculate that the word man was too powerfull to be subjugated along with actual females. Such is the power of words. What cannot be destroyed, can however, be appropriated, twisted, and forced to lie about its very meaning.

Goddess was overthrown by God, woman's name became man's, all that was female and exalted was stolen by men, and reshaped in their own image.

In the begining was the Word.

Everything matters, especially language.

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» RE: Everything matters . . . Posted by: CriminallySane
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It's a matter of triage
Posted by: ISlamIslam on Mar 12, 2007 3:39 AM   
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When Muslim women, including those in the U.S., are no longer compelled, either by family members or by tacit pressure within their communities, to wear bags over their heads in public and be treated like domestic livestock, when women throughout the world are no longer physically mutilated or routinely subjected to rape -- then I'll turn my attention to such trivia as whether someone innocuously uses a phrase that is a carryover from an earlier era.

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Hell Yeah Y'all
Posted by: hippychik on Mar 12, 2007 4:14 AM   
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I'm glad that the South shows more progressiveness in this area. At least we got that going for us.

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» Bravo! Posted by: Boomerang
Not bad for a PC article. Kind of interesting.
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 12, 2007 4:37 AM   
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I think I resist PC for free speech reasons. I feel like Big Brother is always on us about something. Making us change more words is one more thing. It kind of sanitizes our culture.

If they make us change words, they should test them to make sure they flow with the language, and don't sound clumsy. "People of Color", and "Mentally Challenged" sound awkward, patronizing, politically-motivated, and holier-than-thou.

For example, I don't mind using black instead of negro. A nice, simple, one syllable word.

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well, they are not sticks and stones...
Posted by: ktm on Mar 12, 2007 5:31 AM   
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but i am kind of split with my opinion on this... on one side of the table i agree that words reinforce a stereotype and an leave an impression of male dominace in our society but on the other, i think some are so ingrained that they have lost thier meaning.

all of our words lose meaning as they are used over and over again. and i think to try to fight against some of them is really useless.. i admit that i have nothing other than a surface level knowledge of word orgins, but i would hazard a guess that many of the commn terms we use today are derived from a plethora of unpleasant things. for instance (and yes, I KNOW that this is a contested term with no solid proof either way so please save your comments ripping me apart for some other point) some scholars believe that the term 'picnic' used to be a common term for a lyching.

the difference between 'you guys' and 'cunt' is that people do not mean to be sexist when they use the term 'you guys'. (and yes also, i UNDERSTAND that is why the author is arguing they are so harmful, but i disagree)... cunt is meant to hurt and to maim and to be insulting... why not concntrate on the terms with power? why not go for them instead of fighting a losing battle against 'you guys'?

i would prefer to focus on terms like 'slut' and 'whore' and 'cunt'... words that still make us cringe when we hear them. we should be taking these words back. we should be asking questions like, why is the accusation of multiple sexual partners an insult? why is calling me a synonym for vagina hurtful?

these terms should not be as powerful as they are. and we give them power when we are afraid to talk about them and use them directly rather than saying 'the c word'. we should be taking these words back, and turning thier negative meaning into powerfully positive.

i did a little personal experiment with the word 'cunt' during my senior year in college. i made it a point to say the word casually in every class i was registered for. the reactions i got ranged from slightly shocked to horrified. that reaction is powerful, we should be harnessing that and finding out how to use it to our advantage, not screaming in vain everytime someone says 'mankind'.

i guess i just think we should fight something we have a chance against, that is meant to hurt, rather than focusing our energy on terms that have lost thier meaning and thier power.

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Hey guys
Posted by: gjames on Mar 12, 2007 6:15 AM   
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Heh, sorry. Well not really. Why not take ownership of these things...like, "real guys have vaginas" and "pregnant dudes have more fun," - whatever really.

Words like dude and guy aren't intrinsically patriarchal and exclusive, though they may be that incidentally. But also depending on the incident, they may not be - these kinds of words are neutral enough that you can use them however you'd like - perhaps poking fun at exclusion by altering the standard uses. When it comes to words like dude and guy, all right, sure, they can part of exclusion, but not certainly, and if they are, so minimally that a lighthearted approach is more appropriate than dogmatic seriousness. In my opinion.

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» RE: Hey guys Posted by: hellofriends
Sorry But I've Got Bigger Issues To Deal With
Posted by: Nez46 on Mar 12, 2007 6:45 AM   
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Good grief, we can barely get kids in public schools to read (and forget about math), a fascist madman is bringing the world to the brink of disaster, our economy is tanking, our political system is bought and paid for, our news outlets are propaganda outlets, our environment is disintegrating and you want me to do what - stop saying "you guys"?

Give me a break.

Why not spend some time on some of the more pressing issues before trying to correct a problem that arises in large part because of a lack of decent education in this country?
Good thing i didn't take your course as an undergrad-i doubt you'd have passed me.

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Not Questioning Gendered Language Demonstrates Its Power
Posted by: pdxstudent on Mar 12, 2007 6:47 AM   
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"the difference between 'you guys' and 'cunt' is that people do not mean to be sexist when they use the term 'you guys'. (and yes also, i UNDERSTAND that is why the author is arguing they are so harmful, but i disagree)... cunt is meant to hurt and to maim and to be insulting... why not concntrate on the terms with power? why not go for them instead of fighting a losing battle against 'you guys'?"

The fact that people, yourself included, are so inclined NOT to question why and how and if we use gendered language is a demonstration of its power. There is far more telling of the investment people have in an issue when they want to avoid it, dispell it, dismiss it, or otherwise take it off the table and not take it seriously.

I mean, consider the difference between "cunt" and "vagina." Which one do you think is, as a term refering to the reproductive anatomy of a woman, sexist? Most certainly the latter! "Vagina" literally means "sheath," as in a sheath for the penis. "Cunt," on the other hand, is a term that originated, and for some time continued to mean the female reproductive organ. You make a point about focusing on these terms, but I think you don't go far enough. The more important question, the one relevant to this article, isn't "why is calling me a synonym for vagina hurtful?" but "why is the term that actually refers to the anatomy of the woman (cunt), and not its (sub-ordinate) function in relation to men (vagina), seen as offensive, while the truly sexist term passes unquestioningly as medical terminology?" Invisable power is power par excellance. Gendered language is just one of many examples of how invisable power works.

I think people get hung up on the PC issue because it's many times implamented ineffectively. The notion of changing gendered or racist, or even capitalist or imperialist, language has less to do with the language as such than people are made to believe. PC language comes across as this neo-Orwellian NewSpeak kind of program to fry our brains into not questioning power, while the funny thing is that language as it is, from the PC stance, already performs this function. Changing gendered language is about changing the conditions in society that make gendered language a viable, sensible, unquestionable option. It's not that language wholly constitutes reality, or that reality is wholly and simply reflected in language, but that there is an obvious exchange between these two extremes. Changing gendered language is about entering this feed-back loop by way of historically transparent practices of language. Changing the objectification of women necessarily means making it possible to conceive and articulate women in our language in unobjectified terms.

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this issue is more complicated than that
Posted by: Jesse on Mar 12, 2007 6:50 AM   
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"Male based" generics are not always that. The issue I take with people coming down on them is that they aren't always a reflection on values of the kind Kleinman speaks of.

For example, the word "Manning" as in "Manned" could come from the word for man, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest it may also be related to the latin root for "Hand" which is "Man- " and from which we get words like manual and manipulate. (If you know Spanish, think of "Mano," or the French "main")

Second, the words "man" and "woman" are Germanic and the old line in the Bible that the latter is derived from the former is simply wrong. (There's a part in Genesis where they say "wo-man" is derived from "man" but this is a complete and utter mangling of Hebrew. I'd be very interested to know how it plays in French or Chinese Bibles, since it seems unique to KJV and Gideons, but I digress).

That said, her hypothesis is only partially flawed (Flamers take note, read carefully please) because Kleinman is correct that in English the "neutral" pronouns tend to be "male" but this may have less to do with values and more to do with linguistic evolution that is only partly related.

For instance, in Spanish or French (in fact, Romance languages generally as far as I know) the neutral pronoun is "ses" or "se" or a variation thereof, which hasn't got a particular association with either sex as far as I can tell. Now, France and Spain share a culture that is pretty broadly similar to that of English speaking US and UK, but I wouldn't go on about sexist terms in either language based on that, and this whole discussion I think would be different if you were referencing either language here.

Kleinman is quite correct that words like "policeman" and such can reflect underlying assumptions, but again it isn't clear to me that they necessarily do. While it is interesting to reflect on the differing baggage of saying "Chairwoman" to a male in the position, I don't know that that necessarily says anything about a sexist culture per se.

I mean, the word, "Doctor" is a "masculine" noun (this is true in its German usage and Romance incarnations) but it doesn't carry the same baggage as police(man). In fact, doctor becomes feminine in French if you are referencing an eye doctor.

Note too that masculine and feminine (and neuter if you speak Latin or Russian) constructions have zero to do with the meaning of a noun itself--they are just grammitical placeholders. For example, "pen" and "pencil" are feminine and masculine respectively, (in French).

This relates to English because a good chunk of the constructions we use are remnants of when English did have genders like German does now. Much of that has been lost (we don't have strong and weak verbs, for instance, nor morphological changes in case for the most part). But the old habits still remain, and it may have to do with stuff that wasn't directly related to women's position in society. After all, ships are still feminine in English, even though few women were historically sailors. That would mean to me that there could be other reasons for that.

Kleinman seems to be working from the old Safir-Whorf hypothesis, which for those who didn't suffer through linguistics 101 is the idea that the words in a language define what one can express and how one does so. Thus far the hypothesis remains just that, because the research on the subject (and someone correct me if I am way out of date) I was familiar with points in many directions, and kind of depends on where you start your definitions of "express" and "understand."

But all this is to say that the way we process stuff is related to the words we use, but it isn't determined entirely by them, I don't think.

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» I was going to make a comment Posted by: Boomerang
Strictly speaking...
Posted by: gjames on Mar 12, 2007 6:56 AM   
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From a Foucauldian perspective of power, talking about why terms like 'you guys' are male-normative demonstrates/sustains the power it seeks to criticize.

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» RE: Strictly speaking... Posted by: pdxstudent
hobby horse
Posted by: karyse on Mar 12, 2007 6:55 AM   
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It never ceases to amaze me that powerful people (people with power) seem unaffected by terms that are meant to deride, and in fact, they often adopt them as positive terms, while others never manage to do so.

Ditto-head, an origianlly derogatory way to reference Rush Limbaugh listeners was quickly adopted by them, and they often use "mega-dittos, Rush" as a salutation.

Yankee, or Yank, an attempt at derision, failed.

Whitey, or Honkey, failed to engender any long term problem for whites.

Redneck, has been completely adopted as a positive by most rednecks.

I often hear folks who live in trailers (myself included) reference themselves as trailer-trash, without batting an eye, and "white trash with money" was recently produced as an album.

As to Bitch, as near as I can figure, the goddess Hecate, commonly associtated with she-dogs, and a sign of her approach was barking dogs, making the term not one of derision, so much as one of power. When someone calls me a bitch, I laugh and say, "thanks," because the speaker is granting me a kind of power over them. And I'm not kidding; it hurts me not at all.

Sorry folks, but "you guys" (youse guys in NY) is the replacement for gurle (girl now) which used to mean youth of any gender. I'll take "you guys" over girl, any time.

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hobby horse cont
Posted by: karyse on Mar 12, 2007 7:01 AM   
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Oh and I forgot, the term "guy" was originally one of derision.

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Alternatives
Posted by: ilene on Mar 12, 2007 7:14 AM   
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Sexist language may matter, but what are some acceptable linguistic alternatives? To subsitute woman for man is just as sexist and yet what other suggestions are being made? Is there some term that can be used instead of "you guys"?

To continue to be told how language is sexist is not saying much unless the discussion moves into the arena of alternatives. Until this discussion takes place, then folks such as Ms. Kleiman will continue to be told to tackle "important" women's issues.

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» RE: Alternatives Posted by: Bbear41
It might seem trivial, but ...
Posted by: elderwoman.org on Mar 12, 2007 7:33 AM   
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... this is not a trivial thing, I assure you. It's important, and if you follow the author's reasoning carefully, surely you can see why.

She is certainly not implying that every time anyone uses masculine words as generics they are being deliberately sexist. 99.9 percent of the time they are not. Hell, I've said 'you guys' to a mixed group myself before now. It is so much part of the lingo nowadays (even though it's only been around for a couple of decades as far as I can recall) that it actually feels generic by now.

And please let's not squabble about etymology. That's a red herring.

The whole point of a campaign like this is to raise consciousness. And it is a very good method for doing just that, as those of us know who are old enough to remember the days when 'racism' was a newly-minted word.

It works like this: when a certain word or phrase is designated as sexist, racist, ageist or whatever, then every time we find ourselves using it or hearing others use it we are reminded of the issues it represents. We are reminded that one sector of society is failing to accord respect to another sector, whether it be women, Jewish people, Muslims, old people, blacks, whites or whatever.

The more often we are reminded of the issues, the closer to the surface of our minds those issues come, until in the end we are constantly aware of them. We remind other people -- tactfully if we can -- that these words and phrases are no longer OK with us. Sometimes they scoff. But it means that conversations about the issues happen more and more. This is how the consciousness of the whole society is gradually raised. And when the consciousness of society is raised to a high enough level, that is when changes start to happen.

So yes, this might seem trivial. But it is not. When you weed a garden, you don't just pull out the really big weeds. You pull them all out, even the tiny ones. Even the tiny ones are important. It's all one, big project and it's about making the world a better, fairer place.

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The author is correct. We need to ensure we properly use language
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Mar 12, 2007 8:00 AM   
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the weird, grammatically incorrect usuage of words like "actor" to refer to a female or "bartender" to refer to a female is incorrect and sexist. We should always use proper, gender-specific words:
Actress- not actor
Bartendress- not bartender
Waitress- not waiter or server
Stewardess- not flight attendent
Executrix- not executor
and so on. Its important to be correct and not sexist.

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» Prefer genderless references Posted by: aouie01
Hey Guys!
Posted by: Tyrus95 on Mar 12, 2007 8:02 AM   
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I always thought the use of "guys" to include women was a way of shifting the meaning of "guys" away from referring exclusively to men.

In changing sexist language, you either change the word, or you change what the existing word defines? What do you think?

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» RE: Hey Guys! Posted by: hellofriends
» RE: Hey Guys! Posted by: MartianBachelor
busted again
Posted by: freeda'all on Mar 12, 2007 8:04 AM   
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Didn't alternet JUSTdo an article on 'you guys' already? I'll admit this one has a lot more substance to it than the other but there are far more serious & urgent matters in the lives and worlds of women to write about than this.

Oh hey, I know, how about the story about the Vancouver Rape Relief shelter having just won the right to determine
who a 'woman' is for the sake of providing peer counselling to battered & raped women. This went all the way to the Canadian Supreme Court and took ten years to settle but dammit yes, now women can have a say in who & what a woman is, at least for the sake of the VRR shelter.

Here you have a 'former' man, now 'woman' taking the volunteer shelter to court for years and costing the shelter over $100,000 in legal fees just because this person wanted the volunteer position as a way to 'validate her womanhood.' Here you have the story of a man who sought to interject himself into the lives of women in a time of crisis simply because he wanted to and thought he had the right to. Of course, since the law and medicine now can make 'women' PDQ with surgery & drugs women should be happy to have men like Kimberly Nixon coming in and telling them how to run things. After all he comes with a buttload of experience & privilege and knows all about what women want and need, right?

Men still have and now have even more so, the legal right to interject themselves into the lives of women not known to them in times and places as they see fit to. Women have had no say nor were ever asked for their imput into this and men want to make sure that women stay stifled for it.

Now there's a substance in language & identity issue worth writing about in that the transexual/transgender/genderqueer crowd is fighting with women over who gets the 'right' to say who 'is' a woman. Of course the women, being women, should again just take a backseat to the men, now 'women', who have always known anyway what's best for us silly little hotheads anyway.

But oh wait, that would mean that queers aren't the happy little live-and-let-live pappys that alternet wants to write about and that also means that women do have a real issue with the substance and use/misuse of language by men who seek to control our lives.

Wow, a real there's a real story now.

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Okay, okay, let's just go back to "YOU GIRLS"!
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Mar 12, 2007 8:08 AM   
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Happy now?

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» No that won't do... Posted by: marywi
» RE: No that won't do... Posted by: animalleaderisgreat
female-based generics
Posted by: Benjaminsjw on Mar 12, 2007 8:11 AM   
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And can you think of one, just one, example of a female-based generic?

Well, I don't want to be a smartass, but what about "midwife"?
At least here in Holland, any obstetrician, be they male or female, can be referred to as a midwife. (of course, the dutch word is "vroedvrouw", but that is a female-based word as well.)

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» RE: female-based generics Posted by: hellofriends
» RE: female-based generics Posted by: marywi
» herstory Posted by: hellofriends
» RE: herstory Posted by: Benjaminsjw
» Fatherland/Motherland Posted by: moflard
hey girlfriend
Posted by: hellofriends on Mar 12, 2007 8:20 AM   
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i wonder why the south developed y'all.

Mankind, men this and men that is kindof stupid and i think it's changing a bit. it sort of seems like grandiose 19th century continental philosophy-speak to hear stuff like that.

i really have some problems, however, having problems with "you guys."

"Guy" originally came from the funny British history of Guy Fawkes. "guy" then somehow took on the connotation to mean "male," but in every dictionary i looked in "guys" (plural) is defined as a person of either gender. i have enough tolerance to suffer the ostensible injustice of this etymology.

i agree that the relationship between language and gender is worth discussing, but there seems to be bigger sticks and stones out there than "you guys." maybe i'll change my mind later.

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The correct web address from the article
Posted by: radact on Mar 12, 2007 8:27 AM   
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hey y'all,

the article had the web address wrong for "you guys" cards. you can find them here:

youall2.freeservers.com

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No Resistance Too Big nor Too Small
Posted by: pdxstudent on Mar 12, 2007 8:29 AM   
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"Didn't alternet JUSTdo an article on 'you guys' already? I'll admit this one has a lot more substance to it than the other but there are far more serious & urgent matters in the lives and worlds of women to write about than this."

I can't help but wonder why people persist in the belief that in order to resist power you have to do it in the way power dictates. I can understand being miffed over a repeat article, but there's no basis for more or less important ideological resistance: it all matters.

Someone else brought up Foucault and his ideas about Power earlier. Power for Foucault was an immanently pervasive structure in our lives; it was, as he put it, capillary. Power functions at the smallest levels of our daily lives, and is in fact constituted in just that way. The kind of resistance to (patriarchal) power that this article suggests is perfectly in line with this observation. Those who brush it aside, or even get kind of offended, saying it's too small an issue or that there are more important feminist issues, are not as concerned with resisting power as much as conforming to it. Excluding anything from critique, including, if not especially the habits of everyday life, is a sign of power. If (patriarchal) power is to be resisted, it must be done down to the everyday experience of language.

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orwell called it newspeak
Posted by: gerdhansel on Mar 12, 2007 8:40 AM   
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Using language to manipulate people, what a novel concept.

In Orwell's 1984, Big Brother forced his population to use Newspeak because he thought this would control their minds. In his secret thoughts, Winston Smith called it "duck-speak."

Winston lived in a world of forbidden words and expression, watched over by the secret "thought police." But people still needed their Three-Minutes-Hate to vent the secret thoughts that were boiling inside.

When I read an article like this one, I hear the voice of the thought police loud and clear: we know what's best for you, we want to control your speech, we want to control your thoughts, we want to enslave you.

I get so very tired of having to watch every single word I say, and every gesture I make. It's enough to make you paranoid.

But as the Germans say, die gedanken sind frei, my thoughts are free. What's inside my head belongs to me until it comes out my mouth.

Think you can control the baser human impulses by playing language police-person? You'll only drive those impulses deeper.

The military does this to people all the time. Drill sergeant to private: "Are you angey, maggot? What is your major malfunction? Is there something you want to say to me? I didn't think so!"

The private swallows his anger because the drill sergeant has power over him, and then gets into a fight the next time he goes drinking in the local club. All that swallowed anger has a way of coming back up later on.

These languge police want to throw all of us into their own version of basic training, the permanent kind. Language slavery, with no three-minutes hate.

Big Brother is quacking at you.

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Language is political!
Posted by: marywi on Mar 12, 2007 8:43 AM   
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I also want to point out that it makes a difference if we say things like "The woman was raped." versus "A man raped the woman."

We get much more specific and accurate with the second sentence using active voice.

Another example is when we reify institutions and forget the human agency behind them. "The university did not take measures to prevent sexual assault on campus." Are we talking about the walls of the university? The walls? The sidewalk? The library books? The classrooms? The dorms?
OR are we talking about administrators, provosts, deans and chancellors, and members of the BOT?

It makes a big difference.

And in this same spirit, when we say "you guys" and other sexist phrases, we tend to picture male silhouettes. Sociologist Laurel Richardson discussed this in her work "Gender Stereotyping in the English Language." So if we usually picture men when we hear these phrases, we're most likely only going to think about male interests.

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» RE: Language is political! Posted by: MartianBachelor
What?
Posted by: VoxPopuli on Mar 12, 2007 8:49 AM   
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Growing up male in the so-called "male-dominated" society, I was witness to so much contradiction to this idea. First of all, this article is nothing more than whining for more power to be "given" than "earned". My father cowed to my mother's wishes, without a grumble, but he also was the breadwinner of the family, same with EVERY friend's family I knew. Of course my mother had the choice to work, or not, and housework was performed by myself and my siblings. The implication that sex in marriage is unpaid compulsory work for a woman is bullshit, too. People pay for an education at a public university and get this? Gimme a break. As a BOY in school, I participated in sports, and we were constantly called "girl". Did I whine and cry and try some passive-aggressive crap? NO! I tried harder and succeeded. If women have troubles with such trivial terminology as "you guys", maybe they should demonstrate without question the constitution of themselves that makes them MORE than a guy ( of course, this would not be very difficult, for women are more than men on many levels, and vice versa ). Social change without understanding is fascism. I love strong women who are confident in who they are, I loathe any weakling ( any gender ) that BEGS for social change for an agenda they believe but do not understand.

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I hate "ladies"
Posted by: judiths1_az on Mar 12, 2007 8:55 AM   
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As I've aged it seems to me that restaurants are determined to call me and my friends "ladies". I hear it not once or twice during a meal but over and over again as often as the person comes to my table. I don't hear the same denoting for men. It seems to me that men are regular people and don't need to be defined. Well, I want the same consideration. I don't want to be defined either and I often ask servers to stop saying "ladies". Some them stop it. I compliment those who don't do it.

As a much younger woman I'd tell some guy trying to shake hands with the men and kiss the ladies to kiss my husband before he kisses me. They never wanted to do that.

At age 63 this is an argument which will continue after my death.

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Look where it was printed
Posted by: marywi on Mar 12, 2007 8:57 AM   
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The fact that a rape crisis center decided to print it in their newsletter is telling.

This issue is connected to the larger oppression of women. Sexist language is connected to sexual violence is connected to reproductive rights is connected to the "second shift" is connected to the devaluation of women's work....

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Golly, this sure is an intelligent issue
Posted by: H_H on Mar 12, 2007 8:57 AM   
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I wish English was a gender-neutral language that didn't have hurtful words like "guys"

Why, just look at Persian- it's been gender-neutral since the middle ages. If you want to see a wonderful gender utopia, go to Iran. There are lots of women in positions of power in that country, right? Lots of female imams in the holy city of Qom, yes?

All we need to do to build heaven on earth is make sure that we don't use words that could offend the most hypersensitive woman within earshot.

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I hate "ladies"
Posted by: judiths1_az on Mar 12, 2007 9:04 AM   
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As I've aged it seems to me that restaurants are determined to call me and my friends "ladies". I hear it not once or twice during a meal but over and over again as often as the person comes to my table. I don't hear the same denoting for men. It seems to me that men are regular people and don't need to be defined. Well, I want the same consideration. I don't want to be defined either and I often ask servers to stop saying "ladies". Some them stop it. I compliment those who don't do it.

Dr. Gross in her book, "Buddhism After Patriarchy" says: "Feminism also is serious about words, often to the exasperation of those who cannot see the subtle link between language and consciousness...". This idea helps me with this issue.

If we "just say nothing" nothing will change.

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» RE: I hate "ladies" Posted by: hellofriends
the 'root' of this whole problem
Posted by: OneAcre2012 on Mar 12, 2007 9:04 AM   
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Man...Woman...hmmm...doesn't it look like the one word is derived from the other? What we need is a word for "woman" that has nothing to do with "man" and I don't mean by just changing the "a" to a "y." And to do this, we're all going to have to go back in time to the genesis of the English language and stop this injustice. Or we could just speak Spanish. I mean, hombre and mujer look nothing alike on paper, though I'm not a linguistic scholar to the point where I could prove that mujer doesn't have some unfortunate origin...just remember, most communication is non-verbal. Language is just another of our institutions whose validity condenses and evaporates only at our behest.

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I hate "ladies"
Posted by: judiths1_az on Mar 12, 2007 9:06 AM   
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As I've aged it seems to me that restaurants are determined to call me and my friends "ladies". I hear it not once or twice during a meal but over and over again as often as the person comes to my table. I don't hear the same denoting for men. It seems to me that men are regular people and don't need to be defined. Well, I want the same consideration. I don't want to be defined either and I often ask servers to stop saying "ladies". Some of them stop it. I compliment those who don't do it.

Dr. Gross in her book, "Buddhism After Patriarchy" says: "Feminism also is serious about words, often to the exasperation of those who cannot see the subtle link between language and consciousness...". This idea helps me with this issue.

If we "just say nothing" nothing will change.

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» RE: I hate "ladies" Posted by: pomes
interesting
Posted by: hellofriends on Mar 12, 2007 9:23 AM   
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