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60,000 Marriages Broken by Iraq, Including Mine

By Stacy Bannerman, The Progressive. Posted March 5, 2007.


When one military wife got the news that her husband was coming home from Iraq, they didn't tell her he was going to bring the war back with him.

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I was folding fliers for a high school workshop on nonviolence when my husband, a mortar platoon sergeant with the Army National Guard 81st Brigade, walked into my office and said, "I got the call."

We hadn't talked about the possibility of him being deployed for months, not since President Bush had declared, "Mission accomplished." But I knew exactly what he meant; I didn't know then what it would mean for us.

We weren't prepared, and neither was the Guard. The Guard sent him into harm's way without providing some of the basic equipment and materials, such as global positioning systems, night vision gear, and insect repellant, that he would rely on during his year-long tour of duty at LSA Anaconda, the most-attacked base in Iraq, as determined by the sheer number of incoming rockets and mortars, which averaged at least five per day.

Unlike active duty military, the National Guard had no functional family support system or services in place. While the Guard was scrambling to get it together, my husband was already gone, and I was alone, just months after we had moved to Seattle.

Twenty-four hours after Lorin boarded the plane for Iraq, I hung a blue star service flag -- denoting an immediate family member in combat -- in the front window. Then I closed the blinds, hoping to keep the harbingers of death at bay. They still got in, through the phone, the Internet, the newspaper, and the TV.

Each week, I heard of a friend's husband or son: wounded, maimed, shot, hit, hurt, burned, amputated, decapitated, detonated, dead. A glossary of pain. I checked icasualties.org all the time, cursing and crying as the numbers rose relentlessly, praying that Lorin wouldn't be next.

I got involved with Military Families Speak Out, which is exactly what the name suggests: an organization of people with loved ones in uniform who are adamantly opposed to the war in Iraq. We were breaking the military's traditional code of silence by publicly protesting this war, and the pushback was intense, particularly for military wives. I was ostracized by the women married to men in my husband's company, and my husband was reprimanded by his superior officers. I was an "unruly spouse," and Lorin could "expect adverse career consequences."

I thought being forced to serve in a war based on lies was itself an "adverse consequence." I said as much during an interview on Hardball with Chris Matthews, which just happened to be broadcast on the big-screen TV during lunchtime in the mess tent at Anaconda. Lorin didn't see it, but approximately 5,000 of the troops he was serving with did. He heard about it for weeks, but never asked me to stop. He had his own questions and concerns about Operation Iraqi Freedom.

During the run-up to the war, when 76 percent of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq, we protested in the streets of Spokane. But he was contractually bound and committed to his men. He clung to what he'd been briefed on regarding the Guard's mission in Iraq, which included building schools for kids.

Two months into his deployment, I got a call from him, and he said, choking up, that there was an "accident." Two Iraqi children were dead because he gave the order to fire a couple of mortar rounds. Several weeks later, he phoned again, his voice flat and emotionless, to tell me that the men he had dinner with the previous night had been killed by the same Iraqi soldiers that they were training six hours earlier.

Days went by without any communication -- anxious hours, restless nights. I swerved between anger and fear.

His e-mails were sometimes delayed, or returned to him as undeliverable, with portions blacked out by military censors. The ones that got through asked for more homemade treats, baby wipes, batteries, movies, and magazines. One missive informed me about rockets landing next to the trailer where he slept ... while he was in bed. Another ended abruptly because he was under attack.

Lorin spent hours loading coffins onto cargo jets; I spent days on red alert.

Finally, the phone rang with the news that my husband was coming home, after nearly a year in Iraq. They didn't tell me he'd bring the war with him.

He'd been back for almost two months, but he was still checking to see where his weapon was every time he got in a vehicle. He drove aggressively, talked aggressively, and sometimes I could swear that he was breathing aggressively. This was not the man I married, this hard-eyed, hyper-vigilant stranger who spent his nights watching the dozens of DVDs that he got from soldiers he served with in Iraq. He couldn't sleep, and missed the adrenaline surge of constant, imminent danger. The amateur videos of combat eased the ache of withdrawal from war, but did nothing to heal my soldier's heart.


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Stacy Bannerman is the author of "When the War Came Home: The Inside Story of Reservists and the Families They Leave Behind." She is a member of Military Families Speak Out, www.mfso.org, and can be contacted at her website, stacybannerman.com.

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War is ugly...
Posted by: EagleMB on Mar 5, 2007 12:32 AM   
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Stories like this one are important to help teach potential soldiers about what exactly they are signing up for. I think all too often many young Americans signup to serve for the fringe benefits, while ignoring the harsh realities of their decision. It is a soldier’s duty to act whenever, and wherever, his commander-and-chief sends him. It is not uncommon for a soldier to be sent on a nearly impossible mission that will most likely result in the soldier’s death. And it is also not uncommon for the soldier to obey without hesitation. War is ugly and those that serve are unquestionably heroes. I salute those Americans who make that sacrifice for the security of the United States.

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A great article, but...
Posted by: Catherine Martell on Mar 5, 2007 3:17 AM   
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I found this article very moving. It's always upsetting to hear of someone's personal tragedy like this, especially written with such articulacy, and especially when that tragedy has occurred as part of a totally senseless war.

But somehow I just can't stop gritting my teeth whenever soldiers start complaining that war turned out to be, you know, nasty. What else were you expecting it to be? War is, and has always been, a horrific, wasteful and dehumanising process, during which the average soldier is very likely to witness a gory catalogue of the worst evils imaginable: his buddies with their limbs torn off, foreign children being shot in the face, women raped and tortured, men brutalised... because that's what war is.

I am fully aware that the US Army, like most armies, focuses its recruitment efforts on undereducated young men with limited economic opportunities, and does its damndest to convince them that the war experience will be basically an extended game of Halo 3 with a free college scholarship chucked in. Clearly, the recruiters bear a great deal of responsibility for the fact that so many soldiers now seem to be surprised that actual death, injury and suffering was going to be on the agenda. But it's hardly realistic to expect an army recruiter to give you an unbiased picture.

So, while I continue to have great sympathy with Stacy Bannerman, and with the millions of others (on both sides) who have been damaged by this war, part of me just wants to shrug and say, "Did you think you had signed up for summer camp?"

I have every sympathy with a soldier who protests against this war because it is illegal, morally wrong and counterproductive. I have a lot less with a soldier who protests against war because he's only just figured out that war is quite dangerous and not very nice.

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WW II is still with us
Posted by: No.mad on Mar 5, 2007 4:32 AM   
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Shortly before my father died last summer, I was invited to join my parents for lunch. A couple from their college days was visiting. They had not seen these friends, my honorary Uncle Dave and Aunt Sally, in many years. They had been close. In fact, my father had introduced Dave to Sally, so my father claims his five children and their seven as his responsibility.

The conversation at lunch was WW II. Both men were vets. My father was in the signal corps. Uncle Dave was in the infantry. I am a vet. I served with the 101st Airborne Division. Turns out Uncle Dave also served with the 101st. Among other engagements, the Bulge sticks in his memory.

I don't remember hearing much about it when I was a child, but at lunch I heard stories of killing Germans with grenades, rifle fire and hand-to-hand. Uncle Dave told stories about living in fox holes, not bathing for weeks, little food or water. Uncle Dave still remembers killing German soldiers trying to surrender because there was no place to keep prisoners. He remembers his comrades dying.

My mother and Aunt Sally both lost family members in the War. They had stories to share about life "on the home front."

I don't know anything about PTSD first hand, but Uncle Dave and my father were still living through their combat experiences more than 60 years after the fact.

I fear for our country.

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always 1 step ahead Alternet
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Today's WAWA blog is Chapter 13:

CATS AND COMPASSION

Excerpted from "KEEP HOPE ALIVE"



Have you heard the one about Dorothy and her cats?...


Dorothy replied, “I am looking for the cat of my dreams; he has pure white fur and eyes the color of the summer sky, and his name is Bob.”

“Well, this is most numinous. You see, I have a five-year-old cat back in storage that needs a home. He is very sad, for he has been in a cage for almost seven months. He has licked of all his hair, and he pouts a lot.

“You see, it was Thanksgiving week when his first family dropped him off. They didn’t love him. They tossed him away. They wanted the doctor to give him a shot, to put him to sleep. But I said, ‘No way! I’ll put that cat in storage, and one day, someone will come in here and take him away.”’

Dorothy’s mom interrupted. “There must be a reason that family tossed that cat away.”

The doe-eyed string bean replied, “Sister, let me tell you, this cat is no more neurotic than any other cat I have known. I will not lie to you, for he is indeed one neurotic cat, who never was a beauty. But he did have white fur when he came in here, and his eyes are still as blue as a summer sky. He is most definitely OC; you see, he licks himself a lot, and so, is now as bald as a bat.

“Oh, by the way, he whines like a banshee and paces about. You see, after his upsetting Thanksgiving holiday, the vet fixed him for Christmas, and no doubt you can imagine why he is naturally still quite upset about that. Oh, by the way, he has claws, and since he is too old for surgery, they must stay. But, sister, I assure you, he’s no more or less neurotic than any other cat around. Follow me into the back room, and you will see that he really is a cool cat; you should take him away.”



...The very next night, the bombs hit Baghdad.


All that night, Dorothy walked the floors with Bob,

The blue-eyed cat on her shoulder,

And a heart breaking, breaking, breaking

For all the innocents caught up in the crossfire.

She knew she was connected.

You are too...

The rest
March 5th WAWA
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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Didn't know that he would bring the war home?
Posted by: the_dude on Mar 5, 2007 5:39 AM   
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What did you think he would bring home? A gift, a snow globe?

I am sorry for your loss, but I am not sure that I agree with some of your proofs. War is hell, and very hard on those that serve. You say that they were unprepared, that is was just a Guard group. I know that in the best of all possible wars, each and every soldier will be outfitted with the best, the latest and the greatest, but sadly, we don't live in that world.

If we did, he wouldn't have gone in the first place. I feel it is the unrealistic expectations of the non fighting American public who have done the most damage in the public arena.
We demand that our soldiers be held responsible for what occurs during the fog of war. Or that the officers, leaders and generals are sitting behind the desk at some Customer Service Desk in Ohio. Not true either.

This, is were the issue lies. Helplessness isn't a bad thing because you realize you are part of something bigger. You choose to marry a soldier - be proud of that.

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Of course they know it's not summer camp, or whatever other euphemism is being used this time
Posted by: Beck on Mar 5, 2007 6:14 AM   
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You know, this is getting tiresome. Realizing that you might face danger and death is not the same as waking to find yourself in the circumstances going on today. I expect many trolls to respond with fake patriotism from the safe area behind their computer screens, but two other attitudes are beyond irksome when the person dearest to you is coming and going from places like this: " Well, what did you expect?" And from peaceniks, "How can you/he participate in such a thing?" That combined with the yellow-ribbon folks who are all for others doing what they deem necessary but won't bother with is about enough cognitive dissonance, especially once you factor in the "follow Bush or you're a traitor" argument. They don't join for the benefits. They didn't expect summer camp. They often have a very, very odd urge to serve their country. This is inexplicable to most Americans, even the "patriotic" ones. And to the protesters who have asked how my husband can do such a thing, I answer, "any time YOU are ready to protest anything in a manner that might land you in prison and ruin the rest of your life, I'll listen."

They already knew war was dangerous and "not very nice." That doesn't mean they knew they'd be unequipped, they'd be held there much longer than originally told, that they'd be fighting almost invisible enemies, for about $19,500 a year for the lowest enlisted. They never knew they'd ever be right beside independent contractors doing the same thing for $100,000, or that the thought might eventually gnaw at them that the two head guys had the same kind of chance in their youths and made other priorities, so it can be assumed that neither would go now were they young, and that, unlike Prince Harry, none of their kids will go, even with this surge.

I know it is hard to believe or even understand, but many of them wanted to serve and protect all of you reading this. Not one of us gets what we expect in any of the situations we put ourselves in, and it's no wonder that these big decisions have been assigned to the time of life when we're most idealistic: late teens and early twenties. We think then we'll get what we want and expect, that we're indestructible, that we can bend any set of circumstances to our will. For any of you, did college, or the first job you were excited about, or marriage, or kids turn out as you expected? Wasn't it actually worse in some ways, better in others? Human beings join the military, and at the moment, lots of young and poor ones. But the fact that alot of them put idealism before realism puts them in the same mindset as most folks their age, or most Americans in general. We are certainly a country for seeing what we want to see, and believing what we want to believe in the face of totally contradictory reality. And we all pretty much stay courses even when we can see disaster ahead. Look at anyone who simultaneously believes that the war is really about oil, and that global warming is a serious threat, but continues driving and flying as much as ever before. This includes almost everyone I know.

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not what you see on the 10 pm local newscast
Posted by: zooeyhall on Mar 5, 2007 6:35 AM   
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A great article. And I sympathise totally with the author and others in this situation.

I live in Nebraska, and the stations in Omaha love to put on the teary and joyful airport reunion on their nightly newscasts. This article is something that should be reported by these stations also. Of course, it doesn't have an ice cube's chance in hell of happening. It wouldn't fit in with the illusion that the vast majority of the American public has over Iraq.

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Stupidity Rules
Posted by: rkewen on Mar 5, 2007 6:39 AM   
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Stupidity goes a long way. It got the United States attacked on 9/11, because the Bu$h administraton either neglected or purposely ignored the warning signs. It helped the US invade Iraq because the public bought the lies about WMDs and Al Quaeda and Saddam. It got W re-elected because the American public was more willing to question the patriotism of a Vietnam vet than that of a spoiled frat-boy draft dodger and his pudgy evil genius.

This statement shows some also:
"So, while I continue to have great sympathy with Stacy Bannerman, and with the millions of others (on both sides) who have been damaged by this war, part of me just wants to shrug and say, "Did you think you had signed up for summer camp?" "

If the commenter who made this statement read the article they should have seen that Stacy's husband had joined the National Guard, an organization that "theoretically" was meant to defend the United States itself, not engage in foreign wars for the benefit of the Bu$h Crime Family and Halliburton.

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One Soldiers Blog ...
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(Are the soldiers getting the help they need , for PTSD and the likes? You Decide)
Wednesday, February 28, 2007 (orginal post of blog)

my country

to whom it may concern:
My name is greggory wyckoff and i am a vetern of the iraq war. i have just finshed reading the article about how our vets are not receiving healthcare and disability. it is amazing to see an article that relays the truth of what it is like to be stuck in our system and have no answers, no one to help guide us threw to get us the help we so need. yet i have contacted my congressman "jacobs of ohio" yet the only thing i get is a questionaire in the mail when reguarding my healthcare this guy clearley is for the war and not spending any money to help thouse of us coming back with am jacked up in the head or body. in the article where flashbacks occure. i to have had difficulty controling the intrusive thaughts. some times they overwhelm me to the point i have to leave where ever i am. i seek isolation. i lose my self in booze. my emotions run deep and all of a sudden nothing my girlfriend and maybe someday my wife has stood by me and tries to stop the war i seem to be waging on my self. we are outed out of the military and no one seems to care what we did over there. all the death everyday. the strugle we face when we look in the mirror everyday and know that because of your actions people are dead. yes there on the other side but it is still a human life that ripped out of this world over politics. my ankle has been broken twice while i was in the military the second time in iraq. i have a puncture wound in my side and burns on my arms. needless to say i am not the man i was before i went to iraq. every day is a strugle. even employment is hard. there are days i just want it all to stop. but i digress. i cant seem to hold dowd a job when in my past i have always had a great work ethic. then there are these dreams. there so real and now they involve people in my life dieing in iraq and i visualize my little brother there or my girl dead. its not just memories of what happened over there, there now being incorperated in my every day life. it just dosent seem to be getting better. people just dont seem to care. i never thaught in a million years that the freedom i was protecting is the same freedom that dosent give a crap for it's protectors. dont get me wrong i love my country so much, i would fight for it, die for it, but only when absolutly nessary. a year after i returned from iraq i sought mentel health for an asortment of problems like uncontrollable crying. the corps dont allow for weekness. to admit you need help from another is uneceptable... i used to think. but after being instutationalizes for a 4 week program. i was discharged and havent been given any medical asistance since. i feel pain in my dreams, i know it sound weird but i wake up and i can still feel the sting of bullets flowing threw my body. some time i dream about the time my windshield was shot out by small arms fire. for days i was pulling little shards of glass out of my face. i know i need help before i take someones life out in anger. oh yea i get angry. and some times its hard to stop my self. but i have been in a few fight's. i beat the crap out of this guy in front of a bar for pushing me. i just snapped and he ended up with like 20 stiches to his face. i was defending my self and even the police arrested him for assult. but i really hurt that guy. i have always been a pasafist. i even was a corpsman (medic) in the military. i figured if i was going to be part of a war machine be on the side that helps people. i just need to know who do i have to talk to to get some help


http://www.myspace.com/greggwyckoff

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60,000???
Posted by: rwa on Mar 5, 2007 7:08 AM   
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Actually this number most likely is compiled from statistics on soldiers who have been discharged due to an interuption of their family care plan. If they had children, became unable to secure care for them due to divorce, and obtained a discharge for that reason, then they would become part of this figure.

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I am offended
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 5, 2007 7:35 AM   
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I am offended by the posters who have the attitude that our armed forces deserve whatever they get because they volunteered.
It's up to the civilian population to control our government. It's up to us to make sure that the Army and Navy aren't ordered to risk their lives for any reason other than defense.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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My Father was in Years of Combat in WWII
Posted by: BillDouglas on Mar 5, 2007 8:38 AM   
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I know what the term "bring the war home" means.

I lived a war with my father from his Post Traumatic Stress. My older brothers and sisters took the brunt of it, but for some reason when I was growing up his Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome came back with a vengence.

I spent my entire life trying to heal from those war wounds, and struggled not to pass them on to my own children.

Wars damage our national and global psyche for generations after . . . the retard human evolution.

If not for Iraq, the world could be addressing global hunger, global warming, and creating a world we could all love living in.

I'VE WRITTEN A SCREENPLAY ABOUT MY FAMILY'S EXPERIENCES. If anyone out there has Hollywood contacts who cares about this, tell them to contact me at findtruth40@hotmail.com.

This story needs to be told, as it may help America come to terms with what they sentence entire family's too when the get all whipped up in their red, white and blue war fever every so many years, again and again and again like a record stuck in a groove.

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It's education that needs MAJOR reform by making it mandatory to
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 5, 2007 8:49 AM   
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add courses such as

Basic Interpersonal Communication Skills
Discipline

to the curriculm instead of Shakespearean BULLSHIT

PS: Unless the progressives reframe the debate by pointing out the truth that these endless wars causes more damage to the institution of marriage, the cons will still hold a winning grip on the "marriage" debate.

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Not a surpise
Posted by: MaggieL on Mar 5, 2007 9:14 AM   
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I was folding fliers for a high school workshop on nonviolence when my husband, a mortar platoon sergeant with the Army National Guard 81st Brigade...

Might I suggest that the opening 'graph shows this marriage was headed for problems already, which going to war only accelerated?

There's a fundamental disconnect in values here.

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» RE: Not a surpise Posted by: bobberson55
What if?
Posted by: badkitty on Mar 5, 2007 9:57 AM   
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It's an illegal war! No one has any responsibility to follow the illegal orders to be deployed and commit war crimes. What if Mrs. Bannerman's husband had done the right thing and refused to serve? We have a few good soldiers, like Lt. Watada, but frankly our military is filled with people who do not understand the difference between right and wrong, people who did not learn a single lesson from Vietnam, and people who have, by their service (Al Franken loves to thank them for it) made our country less safe (see any recent NIE). I'm glad Mrs. Bannerman is involved with Military Families Speak Out, but the first thing everyone should remember is this war is illegal under international law. Anyone who has participated in it, or voted for funding it, needs to recognize that they were/have been/are wrong.

I realize this is an unpopular position, but I begged senators to vote against this illegal war in September and October 2002, and I have been astonished ever since at the group think of everyone who has participated in this illegal war in Iraq. But, of course, if you really want to relive Vietnam and do damage to our country in the name of "patriotism", please don't complain.

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» RE: What if? Posted by: bobberson55
» Illegal Orders Posted by: armybrat8
Emotional and Physical Problems? Gee, whooda thunk it?
Posted by: tgabriel on Mar 5, 2007 11:24 AM   
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After Viet Nam I was convinced this country would not tolerate another illegal, immoral war.

After Viet Nam I was convinced this country would really be concerned about it's warriors.

After Viet Nam I was convinced what happened to us would never happen to another veteran of a war the United States found its way into.

Then I realized it is the way of society to forget its warriors. Society cannot bear the burden of seeing first hand the costs of war. It is simple to put a little bow on a car, a little flag in a buttonhole, a star in a window. It is not so simple to come to terms with the remnants of that war.

I read recently someone being disgusted at a video where warriors were celebrating having killed an enemy person. My question to you is why are you so disgusted? You put the system in place that bred this kind of behavior. You voted for the people who would use war instead of dialog to resolve international conflict. You brought about the conditions that so disgusted you.

What could you possibly expect?

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a Marine Corps vet from the gulf war says....
Posted by: checarsner on Mar 5, 2007 12:14 PM   
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On September 11th of 2001 I cried like a child. I was horrified by the attack on the twin towers, but I was worried about something else. I called my girlfriend, Diane, who had just landed in New York City on the 9th of September. I was inconsolable. The people in the twin towers and on those airplanes were dead. I was crying for them. I was also crying for the people of Afghanistan. I explained to Diane through tears that I was terrified of what George Bush and his people would want to do to Afghanistan and the resulting destruction to its people. I had no idea then that he'd take it so much farther than my worst nightmares.

I spent a few days talking to people I had met, telling them not to join the military. I was explained to them that without seeing the face of war you can't possibly know the hell you are inflicting on yourself, and others. I explained that if you truly knew the face of war, that you wouldn't wish it on your worst enemy. I know that I personally kept several people from impulsively joining up. To my shame I didn't do more.

In March of 2003 when the invasion of Iraq was announced, I thought it was a horrible thing, but I also thought it was a necessary thing. Having rolled into Kuwait as a liberator in the Gulf War in 1991 I had seen first hand what Saddam and his minion were capable of. Colin Powell had also promised that it was a slam dunk. Even though I was pro-peace I still felt that his face was a face of integrity. At the time I was taking a personal development leadership course. The weekend of the invasion I stood before 500+ people in this course and lamented not being with those Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen. I ached to go to war. Not because I am pro-war or wanted to kill. Certainly not for justice. I wanted to go and protect those children who were about to get the first taste of what I had tasted just 12 years before. These were just boys, and I knew I could keep so many of them safe. I was now married to Diane, and could never put her through that horror. I finally understood in that moment the terror of war from the point of view of the person left behind. Complete helplessness. I was wrong about Colin Powell and I wish I had done ANYTHING.

Its 4 years later, and I tell everyone I can to register to vote. I tell everyone I can to vote libertarian instead of republican (what the republican party used to be before they got hijacked by the evangelicals). I even registered as a democrat after being a life-long republican and voted for the most liberal people I could find on each issue. I still want to do more.

You might wonder how a Marine Corps combat vet of the Persian Gulf war and Somalia got to be so left wing. I'll tell you it took years. I suffered through years and wasn't able to explain to people how I could seem so emotionally available, and yet be so distant and unable to relate to anyone. I had PTSD. I went to the VA to ask for help, but during the interview process I got upset and bolted. I never went back. I'm not sure why. It was probably anxiety from PTSD. Eventually, after 9 years of struggling with the effects of PTSD I was finally able to put it to rest.

It was 2001 when I finally was able to open up emotionally to another person. You can "give it time" if you want, but from my personal experience if I hadn't aggressively got help for myself I would still be sleeping 2 hours a night, and passing blood due to stress. I'd still be walking around corners with my fist drawn back ready to hit anyone that came around said corner, and I'd still be sleeping with my shotgun. If it wasn't for people in my community who were committed to me and loved me in spite of my angry attitude and aloof demeanor I would never had been able to know true intimacy. Give it time if you want. I don't recommend it.

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